Re: [bolger] Trolling motor for Micro
In a message dated 11/29/2005 7:46:55 AM Central Standard Time,
clydewis@...writes:
Should be able to run 8 hrs at max speed of about 4 knts, without
drawing batteries down below 25% ( Phil Bolger). I've
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thanks for the info !
take care
Blll
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clydewis@...writes:
Should be able to run 8 hrs at max speed of about 4 knts, without
drawing batteries down below 25% ( Phil Bolger). I've
......
thanks for the info !
take care
Blll
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Should be able to run 8 hrs at max speed of about 4 knts, without
drawing batteries down below 25% ( Phil Bolger). I've never run near
that long and find slower speed better for sight seeing. Motor draws 45
amps at max, one hp, 75lbs thrust, amphrs are supposed to be 115 but
this system of rating is disappearing. Battery size and weight, these
are large car batteries(size), I'm guessing about 50lbs. Motor is
probably closer to $500 now and I bought batteries for about $55 per,
but they are probably more now. Some advantage to buying 6 at a time.
Mine are shot as I haven't used the boat for several years so I'll let
you know in the spring. One advantage you should consider is electric
power is much more pleasant. I tried a Honda 2 on my Lily and at
anything but low speed(rpm), it just made the bow stand up and made
noise. I built my Lily in fall of 96 to spring of 97, I'm guessing
design was in MAIB in mid 96. Clyde
BllFs6@...wrote:
drawing batteries down below 25% ( Phil Bolger). I've never run near
that long and find slower speed better for sight seeing. Motor draws 45
amps at max, one hp, 75lbs thrust, amphrs are supposed to be 115 but
this system of rating is disappearing. Battery size and weight, these
are large car batteries(size), I'm guessing about 50lbs. Motor is
probably closer to $500 now and I bought batteries for about $55 per,
but they are probably more now. Some advantage to buying 6 at a time.
Mine are shot as I haven't used the boat for several years so I'll let
you know in the spring. One advantage you should consider is electric
power is much more pleasant. I tried a Honda 2 on my Lily and at
anything but low speed(rpm), it just made the bow stand up and made
noise. I built my Lily in fall of 96 to spring of 97, I'm guessing
design was in MAIB in mid 96. Clyde
BllFs6@...wrote:
>
> What kind of run time do you get with those batteries? Motor draws how
> many
> amps? Hp rating? Wieght per battery? Battery amp hours?
>
>
> I think a sailboat designed from the start to use a fair number of
> batteries
> as both ballast and a power propulsion source would be great,
> particularly
> for those who really like peacefully cruising...good wind or no wind...
>
> Perhaps a design with a box keel big enough for the batteries....if you
> could find fairly narrow batteries that would be even better....
>
>
> I get the impression it wouldnt take too much in the way of
> batteries/cost
> to be able to cruise all day long...
>
>
> take care
>
> Blll
>
>
> In a message dated 11/28/2005 7:34:33 AM Central Standard Time,
>clydewis@...writes:
>
> My Lily uses a 75lb thrust MinnKota Riptide(Salt water use) and will go
> about 4 knts. She is about the same size as a Micro without ballest
> keel, but with 6 D27 batteries jn the hold. The 6 batteries are for
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Rod Reynolds" <reynoldsrod@y...> wrote:
I have been sailing my micro for about ten years now. I spent about 3 years building her.
(My brother-in-law was living in my garage for about a year so things got slowed down) I
made many modifications to her and spent a lot of time thinking things out. One of those
modifications was to use electricity for auxiliary power. While building my boat I molded a
45 pound thrust Minn Kota motor into the keel directly in front of the rudder. I subtracted
100 pounds of lead from the keel to take into consideration the planned 2 deep cycle 12
volt batteries. The batteries were given a dedicated space under the footwell. The control
head was run to an easy to use space in the cockpit. I used this for about a year. I got a lot
of satisfaction cruising by people quietly with no obvious source of power. Alas, the motor
one day quit running and eventually was removed with a sawzall and much effort. I believe
it may have overheated due to the insulating effect of the fiberglass and epoxy. I bought
another 45 pound thrust motor and simply clamped it on the transom. Anyway this is a
pretty effective way of moving a micro about. I found I could go for about one hour at near
hull speed with each battery. The 45 pound thrust motor was more than adequate power.
This means a range of about 4 miles with each battery. Going to fast or too long was very
hard on the batteries. As my confidence in my boat increased I found myself wanting to go
on longer and farther cruises. I live in Washington and sail in the San Juan islands. The
winds and the tides can be very fickle and not wanting to get stuck 20 miles from the boat
launch led me to very begrudgingly buy a 5hp Honda outboard. This is more power than
needed but has proven to be very reliable and has given me the ability to go much farther.
For example this past summer my son and I cruised from Anacortes to Sucia Island. This is
about 20 miles. We ended up motoring both ways because of poor wind so went about 40
miles with the Honda. This only used about one and a half gallons of gas. Very
economical. A trip like this would be impossible with electric power. So electric power is
viable if you don't expect too great of a range. I guess it depends on how far you plan on
going and how reliable your wind is.
Jay Kammerzell
>Micro.
> I am considering buying a trolling motor, battery and charger for my original design
> This is to get in and out of slips and to move onward when there is no wind.Rod,
> Any opinions on what poundage thrust I should be looking for?
>
I have been sailing my micro for about ten years now. I spent about 3 years building her.
(My brother-in-law was living in my garage for about a year so things got slowed down) I
made many modifications to her and spent a lot of time thinking things out. One of those
modifications was to use electricity for auxiliary power. While building my boat I molded a
45 pound thrust Minn Kota motor into the keel directly in front of the rudder. I subtracted
100 pounds of lead from the keel to take into consideration the planned 2 deep cycle 12
volt batteries. The batteries were given a dedicated space under the footwell. The control
head was run to an easy to use space in the cockpit. I used this for about a year. I got a lot
of satisfaction cruising by people quietly with no obvious source of power. Alas, the motor
one day quit running and eventually was removed with a sawzall and much effort. I believe
it may have overheated due to the insulating effect of the fiberglass and epoxy. I bought
another 45 pound thrust motor and simply clamped it on the transom. Anyway this is a
pretty effective way of moving a micro about. I found I could go for about one hour at near
hull speed with each battery. The 45 pound thrust motor was more than adequate power.
This means a range of about 4 miles with each battery. Going to fast or too long was very
hard on the batteries. As my confidence in my boat increased I found myself wanting to go
on longer and farther cruises. I live in Washington and sail in the San Juan islands. The
winds and the tides can be very fickle and not wanting to get stuck 20 miles from the boat
launch led me to very begrudgingly buy a 5hp Honda outboard. This is more power than
needed but has proven to be very reliable and has given me the ability to go much farther.
For example this past summer my son and I cruised from Anacortes to Sucia Island. This is
about 20 miles. We ended up motoring both ways because of poor wind so went about 40
miles with the Honda. This only used about one and a half gallons of gas. Very
economical. A trip like this would be impossible with electric power. So electric power is
viable if you don't expect too great of a range. I guess it depends on how far you plan on
going and how reliable your wind is.
Jay Kammerzell
> I get the impression it wouldnt take too much in the way of batteries/costThat MinnKota motor runs about $400 plus the six group 27 batteries
> to be able to cruise all day long...
sell close to $80 each,
which totals similar to the price of a small Honda outboard. I got a
local quote for a new 2005 yamaha f2.5 four stroke at $770 plus tax.
I do agree that the batteries could do double duty as ballast, and
avoiding the gasoline, and noise, would be nice. [Though finding a
plug to recharge can sometimes be a hassle.]
What kind of run time do you get with those batteries? Motor draws how many
amps? Hp rating? Wieght per battery? Battery amp hours?
I think a sailboat designed from the start to use a fair number of batteries
as both ballast and a power propulsion source would be great, particularly
for those who really like peacefully cruising...good wind or no wind...
Perhaps a design with a box keel big enough for the batteries....if you
could find fairly narrow batteries that would be even better....
I get the impression it wouldnt take too much in the way of batteries/cost
to be able to cruise all day long...
take care
Blll
In a message dated 11/28/2005 7:34:33 AM Central Standard Time,
clydewis@...writes:
My Lily uses a 75lb thrust MinnKota Riptide(Salt water use) and will go
about 4 knts. She is about the same size as a Micro without ballest
keel, but with 6 D27 batteries jn the hold. The 6 batteries are for
cruise time. You could run around with 2, in series to make 24 volts,
and running at less than top speed considerably lengthens run time. It
is handy to be able to move them forward and back to adjust trim. Clyde
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amps? Hp rating? Wieght per battery? Battery amp hours?
I think a sailboat designed from the start to use a fair number of batteries
as both ballast and a power propulsion source would be great, particularly
for those who really like peacefully cruising...good wind or no wind...
Perhaps a design with a box keel big enough for the batteries....if you
could find fairly narrow batteries that would be even better....
I get the impression it wouldnt take too much in the way of batteries/cost
to be able to cruise all day long...
take care
Blll
In a message dated 11/28/2005 7:34:33 AM Central Standard Time,
clydewis@...writes:
My Lily uses a 75lb thrust MinnKota Riptide(Salt water use) and will go
about 4 knts. She is about the same size as a Micro without ballest
keel, but with 6 D27 batteries jn the hold. The 6 batteries are for
cruise time. You could run around with 2, in series to make 24 volts,
and running at less than top speed considerably lengthens run time. It
is handy to be able to move them forward and back to adjust trim. Clyde
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My Lily uses a 75lb thrust MinnKota Riptide(Salt water use) and will go
about 4 knts. She is about the same size as a Micro without ballest
keel, but with 6 D27 batteries jn the hold. The 6 batteries are for
cruise time. You could run around with 2, in series to make 24 volts,
and running at less than top speed considerably lengthens run time. It
is handy to be able to move them forward and back to adjust trim. Clyde
Rod Reynolds wrote:
about 4 knts. She is about the same size as a Micro without ballest
keel, but with 6 D27 batteries jn the hold. The 6 batteries are for
cruise time. You could run around with 2, in series to make 24 volts,
and running at less than top speed considerably lengthens run time. It
is handy to be able to move them forward and back to adjust trim. Clyde
Rod Reynolds wrote:
> I am considering buying a trolling motor, battery and charger for my[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> original design Micro.
> This is to get in and out of slips and to move onward when there is no
> wind.
> Any opinions on what poundage thrust I should be looking for?
>
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"original design Micro" ? Can you elaborate? Photos? Please.
Paul Thober
Rod Reynolds <reynoldsrod@...> wrote: I am considering buying a trolling motor, battery and charger for my original design Micro.
This is to get in and out of slips and to move onward when there is no wind.
Any opinions on what poundage thrust I should be looking for?
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Rod Reynolds <reynoldsrod@...> wrote: I am considering buying a trolling motor, battery and charger for my original design Micro.
This is to get in and out of slips and to move onward when there is no wind.
Any opinions on what poundage thrust I should be looking for?
Bolger rules!!!
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I am considering buying a trolling motor, battery and charger for my original design Micro.
This is to get in and out of slips and to move onward when there is no wind.
Any opinions on what poundage thrust I should be looking for?
This is to get in and out of slips and to move onward when there is no wind.
Any opinions on what poundage thrust I should be looking for?