Re: Trolling motor for Micro Take 2
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
the questions I would have
> to consider is first where to locate the genset on a Micro? (The
> batteries could go in the hold and the gas in the well.)
Hi Nels,
When I used to own a Micro, ;-), a couple of us at the yacht club
would do night-time parades. Loaded up with a dozen sets of Christmas
lights strung up the main ,over to the mizzen,down to the boomkin and
then back and all around the hull at sheer height. I would rent the
smallest Honda genset and park it up forward in the well.No noise from
the cockpit and a real treat for the eyes running around the yacht
club basin,doing the famous Micro 360 and looking like a Christmas
tree on mushrooms.The kids at the club loved it but some of the adults
would get peeved at our antics,especially after 02:00.........
Peter le pirate
> I think the whole point here is "dual purpose" use of your money, and if all you buy is an outboard you won't have any dual purpose uses available to you at all.While Phil Bolger is known to favor 'dual purpose' things,
>
> James Greene
I think he is even more well known for striving to make complex things simple.
Given the choice between:
1) a small outboard motor, and
2) a trolling motor, battery bank plus a gasoline generator.
I bet Phil Bolger would choose a sculling oar.
I have a Briggs powered alternator, Ive been carrying up and down
ladders for years. If you were going to go this route, why not a 120
volt moter as an inboard. I have a snow blower with a 120volt electric
starter on a Briggs or Tech motor, about 8 hp. This is the only feature
of the snowblower I like but other motors must be out there. Clyde
BllFs6@...wrote:
ladders for years. If you were going to go this route, why not a 120
volt moter as an inboard. I have a snow blower with a 120volt electric
starter on a Briggs or Tech motor, about 8 hp. This is the only feature
of the snowblower I like but other motors must be out there. Clyde
BllFs6@...wrote:
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> Hi
>
>
> One downside to using a generator vs just having an outboard to start
> with
> is reliability.....outboards are designed to be in/around water and
> last many
> years...i doubt cheaper/smaller generators would last nearly as long if
> exposed to the sailing environment....particularly salt water....
>
> Not that I am totally against the idea since it does offer alot of
> flexibility.....
>
> take care
>
> Blll
>
>
>
> In a message dated 11/29/2005 1:03:29 AM Central Standard Time,
>jg6892@...writes:
>
> but even if it costs more you can get a whole lot more use out of the
> batteries and generator off the boat than you will ever get from an
> outboard off
> the boat.
>
> I think the whole point here is "dual purpose" use of your money, and
> if all
> you buy is an outboard you won't have any dual purpose uses available
> to you
> at all.
>
> James Greene
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Hi
One downside to using a generator vs just having an outboard to start with
is reliability.....outboards are designed to be in/around water and last many
years...i doubt cheaper/smaller generators would last nearly as long if
exposed to the sailing environment....particularly salt water....
Not that I am totally against the idea since it does offer alot of
flexibility.....
take care
Blll
In a message dated 11/29/2005 1:03:29 AM Central Standard Time,
jg6892@...writes:
but even if it costs more you can get a whole lot more use out of the
batteries and generator off the boat than you will ever get from an outboard off
the boat.
I think the whole point here is "dual purpose" use of your money, and if all
you buy is an outboard you won't have any dual purpose uses available to you
at all.
James Greene
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
One downside to using a generator vs just having an outboard to start with
is reliability.....outboards are designed to be in/around water and last many
years...i doubt cheaper/smaller generators would last nearly as long if
exposed to the sailing environment....particularly salt water....
Not that I am totally against the idea since it does offer alot of
flexibility.....
take care
Blll
In a message dated 11/29/2005 1:03:29 AM Central Standard Time,
jg6892@...writes:
but even if it costs more you can get a whole lot more use out of the
batteries and generator off the boat than you will ever get from an outboard off
the boat.
I think the whole point here is "dual purpose" use of your money, and if all
you buy is an outboard you won't have any dual purpose uses available to you
at all.
James Greene
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 01:13:33 -0000, gbship wrote:
Plus the cost of the batteries and electric trolling motor and generator may not cost as much as just the outboard ... but even if it costs more you can get a whole lot more use out of the batteries and generator off the boat than you will ever get from an outboard off the boat.
I think the whole point here is "dual purpose" use of your money, and if all you buy is an outboard you won't have any dual purpose uses available to you at all.
James Greene
> On using a generator, what gets me is using a gas generator toYes of course it would be "easier" but then you wouldn't have a generator to use at home for emergency or portable power, would you?
> generate electricity to charge the batteries to power the motor,\.
> Wouldn't it just be easier to use a gas outboard to begin with?
Plus the cost of the batteries and electric trolling motor and generator may not cost as much as just the outboard ... but even if it costs more you can get a whole lot more use out of the batteries and generator off the boat than you will ever get from an outboard off the boat.
I think the whole point here is "dual purpose" use of your money, and if all you buy is an outboard you won't have any dual purpose uses available to you at all.
James Greene
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "chodges31711" <chodges@a...> wrote:
http://theepicenter.com/tow02077.html
Nels
> A more direct solution would be a 60 amp. auto alternator beltdriven
> by a lawnmower engine. 60 amps at 12volts is about a horsepower soyou
> would need about a 3 hp. engine to cover losses and inefficiencies.Some ideas here:-)
>
> Charles
http://theepicenter.com/tow02077.html
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Rod Reynolds" <reynoldsrod@y...> wrote:
I had considered using a generator to give me the additional range I was seeking. The
additional complexity and cost ultimately made me decide to bite the bullet and just buy a
4-stroke outboard. I have not regretted this decision and feel it is more reliable than a
"hybrid" system.
Jay Kammerzell
>Ebay
> Thanks for your suggestions re: trolling i.e. electric power for Micro.
>
> I had this brainstorm for your consideration: get a used 1000w Honda generator on
> [the little red job, less than new low power 4 stroke] It has 12 VDC out for chargingfor
> batteries. Start it, charge batteries, run troller at same time and have 110 VAC available
> domestic use. The Honda is real quiet. Straight gasoline.Rod,
>
> On battery power alone, I just like the quietness of the troller.
>
> OR just stick to the 2 stroke 2hp outboard that came in the deal. 2 Stroker runs well.
>
> i am a newbie at this motor stuff. Generator/troller too complicated?
>
I had considered using a generator to give me the additional range I was seeking. The
additional complexity and cost ultimately made me decide to bite the bullet and just buy a
4-stroke outboard. I have not regretted this decision and feel it is more reliable than a
"hybrid" system.
Jay Kammerzell
> I had this brainstorm for your consideration: get a used 1000w Hondagenerator on Ebay
> [the little red job, less than new low power 4 stroke] It has 12VDC out for charging
> batteries. Start it, charge batteries, run troller at same time andhave 110 VAC available for
> domestic use. The Honda is real quiet. Straight gasoline.The Honda 1000 is rated for 8 amps output at 12 volts.
An Endura 30 trolling motor requires 30 amps. max.
If the ratio is linear, the Honda should give 10 lbs. thrust, steady
state. More thrust would drain batteries to supply the increase, less
would charge them very slowly.
Perhaps a converter to change the AC to 12v DC would give more amps.
A more direct solution would be a 60 amp. auto alternator belt driven
by a lawnmower engine. 60 amps at 12volts is about a horsepower so you
would need about a 3 hp. engine to cover losses and inefficiencies.
Charles
I was thinking that, in the Micro, the genset might go on a elevated platform or box in the
flodding rear well one side or the other. Gas could go on the other, out in the open to
vent.
Batts, maybe just 2 because of constant charging, could sit where weight was needed to
trim the boat out. I'd secure them somehow.
Time to charge? I dunno. The manual I downloaded says the Honda puts out 8 amps at 12
volts for charging purposes.
flodding rear well one side or the other. Gas could go on the other, out in the open to
vent.
Batts, maybe just 2 because of constant charging, could sit where weight was needed to
trim the boat out. I'd secure them somehow.
Time to charge? I dunno. The manual I downloaded says the Honda puts out 8 amps at 12
volts for charging purposes.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
>
> Hi Rod,
>
> I was involved in a similar thought process and there was a
> discussion here about 3 years ago I believe.
>
> I have a Coleman generator quite a bit like the Honda only it has a
> little 4 stroke motor made by Ka
FWIW, my Michalak-designed Frolic2 (a much lighter boat than a Micro
without ballast or a fixed keel) will run about 3 kts. max with a 30
pound thrust motor.
On using a generator, what gets me is using a gas generator to
generate electricity to charge the batteries to power the motor,\.
Wouldn't it just be easier to use a gas outboard to begin with? For
110 power, I'd carry a battery, a .5 to 1.5 amp solar panel and a
small inverter.
If you only need to motor an hour or so a day, you might be able to
carry enough solar cells to keep the batteries charged, albeit at an
initial outlay of several hundred dollars. But then if you live in
Florida like I do, the solar set up could be your emergency hurricane
backup power supply (or you'd already own the generator!). . .
Gary
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Rod Reynolds" <reynoldsrod@y...>
wrote:
without ballast or a fixed keel) will run about 3 kts. max with a 30
pound thrust motor.
On using a generator, what gets me is using a gas generator to
generate electricity to charge the batteries to power the motor,\.
Wouldn't it just be easier to use a gas outboard to begin with? For
110 power, I'd carry a battery, a .5 to 1.5 amp solar panel and a
small inverter.
If you only need to motor an hour or so a day, you might be able to
carry enough solar cells to keep the batteries charged, albeit at an
initial outlay of several hundred dollars. But then if you live in
Florida like I do, the solar set up could be your emergency hurricane
backup power supply (or you'd already own the generator!). . .
Gary
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Rod Reynolds" <reynoldsrod@y...>
wrote:
>Micro.
> Thanks for your suggestions re: trolling i.e. electric power for
>Honda generator on Ebay
> I had this brainstorm for your consideration: get a used 1000w
> [the little red job, less than new low power 4 stroke] It has 12VDC out for charging
> batteries. Start it, charge batteries, run troller at same time andhave 110 VAC available for
> domestic use. The Honda is real quiet. Straight gasoline.Stroker runs well.
>
> On battery power alone, I just like the quietness of the troller.
>
> OR just stick to the 2 stroke 2hp outboard that came in the deal. 2
>complicated?
> i am a newbie at this motor stuff. Generator/troller too
>
Hi Rod,
I was involved in a similar thought process and there was a
discussion here about 3 years ago I believe.
I have a Coleman generator quite a bit like the Honda only it has a
little 4 stroke motor made by Kawasaki. Puts out 1000 watts
continuous and 1500 peak. Don't think it is as quiet as the Honda
though.
I have never followed up on the idea, but the questions I would have
to consider is first where to locate the genset on a Micro? (The
batteries could go in the hold and the gas in the well.) Then the
other question is how long would it have to run for to charge a
couple of batteries that are flat? I also have a 5 watt solar panel
but consider it only a trickle charger and would not recharge two
deep-cyle batteries very quickly. Also where is the best place to
locate it as well?
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Rod Reynolds" <reynoldsrod@y...>
wrote:
I was involved in a similar thought process and there was a
discussion here about 3 years ago I believe.
I have a Coleman generator quite a bit like the Honda only it has a
little 4 stroke motor made by Kawasaki. Puts out 1000 watts
continuous and 1500 peak. Don't think it is as quiet as the Honda
though.
I have never followed up on the idea, but the questions I would have
to consider is first where to locate the genset on a Micro? (The
batteries could go in the hold and the gas in the well.) Then the
other question is how long would it have to run for to charge a
couple of batteries that are flat? I also have a 5 watt solar panel
but consider it only a trickle charger and would not recharge two
deep-cyle batteries very quickly. Also where is the best place to
locate it as well?
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Rod Reynolds" <reynoldsrod@y...>
wrote:
>Micro.
> Thanks for your suggestions re: trolling i.e. electric power for
>Honda generator on Ebay
> I had this brainstorm for your consideration: get a used 1000w
> [the little red job, less than new low power 4 stroke] It has 12VDC out for charging
> batteries. Start it, charge batteries, run troller at same timeand have 110 VAC available for
> domestic use. The Honda is real quiet. Straight gasoline.2 Stroker runs well.
>
> On battery power alone, I just like the quietness of the troller.
>
> OR just stick to the 2 stroke 2hp outboard that came in the deal.
>complicated?
> i am a newbie at this motor stuff. Generator/troller too
>
Thanks for your suggestions re: trolling i.e. electric power for Micro.
I had this brainstorm for your consideration: get a used 1000w Honda generator on Ebay
[the little red job, less than new low power 4 stroke] It has 12 VDC out for charging
batteries. Start it, charge batteries, run troller at same time and have 110 VAC available for
domestic use. The Honda is real quiet. Straight gasoline.
On battery power alone, I just like the quietness of the troller.
OR just stick to the 2 stroke 2hp outboard that came in the deal. 2 Stroker runs well.
i am a newbie at this motor stuff. Generator/troller too complicated?
I had this brainstorm for your consideration: get a used 1000w Honda generator on Ebay
[the little red job, less than new low power 4 stroke] It has 12 VDC out for charging
batteries. Start it, charge batteries, run troller at same time and have 110 VAC available for
domestic use. The Honda is real quiet. Straight gasoline.
On battery power alone, I just like the quietness of the troller.
OR just stick to the 2 stroke 2hp outboard that came in the deal. 2 Stroker runs well.
i am a newbie at this motor stuff. Generator/troller too complicated?