Re: [bolger] Re: What to know about Black Skimmer
Rick
I had looked at the site but never saved the pics down, thanks.
HJ
Rick Bedard wrote:
I had looked at the site but never saved the pics down, thanks.
HJ
Rick Bedard wrote:
> Do you have the BS pics from Bill McKibben's album?
>
> See here;
>http://www.boatdesign.com/jumps/mckib/Page.html
>
> Rick
>
> Harry Jamers <welshman@...> wrote:
> Still looking for pics, if anybody has Black Skimmer pics I would like them.
>
> HJ
>
>
sorry about that. A better e-mail isballadmaker@...
Cormorant looks like an interesting book. I almost bought a 40 foot scow schooner a few
years back. Your boat reminds me of an updated version of that boat.--- In
bolger@yahoogroups.com, "GarthAB" <garth@b...> wrote:
Cormorant looks like an interesting book. I almost bought a 40 foot scow schooner a few
years back. Your boat reminds me of an updated version of that boat.--- In
bolger@yahoogroups.com, "GarthAB" <garth@b...> wrote:
>
> Hi John --
>
> I tried to reply directly to you, but somehow my e-mail got bounced
> back as "undeliverable." So I'll paste it in here:
>
> -----
>
> I hope we get to visit you and your Black Skimmer next summer. Here's
> a link to Jim Michalak's page where he ran a description of our Cape
> Cod trip in Cormorant.
>
>http://homepages.apci.net/~michalak/15aug05.htm
>
> The photos don't really correspond to my letter to him -- just a
> random sampling he dropped in -- and we didn't take any pictures of
> the stormy day.
>
> Cormorant is a lot like Black Skimmer in that you can beach it or let
> the tide run out from under you and just sit upright on the sand. It
> has a 10" draft. My kids love it (and so do my wife and I).
>
> As for a Bolger boat -- well, first I built a Windsprint, about 7
> years ago; then a Michalak Toto, then a Bolger Gypsy, then about 6
> other small boats by Bolger, Michalak, or Gavin Atkin (Mouseboats) . .
> . and then Cormorant -- which temporarily cured me of the boatbuilding
> bug.
>
> All best,
> Garth
>
>
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bluebirdfitz" <bluebirdfitz@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Garth,
> >
> > We will be moored of and on throughout the summer in Eastham. The
> downside is that we
> > are at the mercy of the tides; the upside is that when it's low tide
> we just hang out at the
> > beach and catch horshoe crabs. I'm excited to be sailing the black
> skimmer this summer
> > (as opposed to our catboat which draws 30 inches) because it takes
> off on a dew, and we
> > can trailer it around to other spots on the Cape--and beyond. I'd
> be happy to take you for
> > a sail when you are down there. Just keep in touch and let us know
> when you will be
> > there. It is easier to reach me at my e-mail fitz@j... Do you sail
> a Bolger boat?
> >
> > John Fitz
> >
>
Hi John --
I tried to reply directly to you, but somehow my e-mail got bounced
back as "undeliverable." So I'll paste it in here:
-----
I hope we get to visit you and your Black Skimmer next summer. Here's
a link to Jim Michalak's page where he ran a description of our Cape
Cod trip in Cormorant.
http://homepages.apci.net/~michalak/15aug05.htm
The photos don't really correspond to my letter to him -- just a
random sampling he dropped in -- and we didn't take any pictures of
the stormy day.
Cormorant is a lot like Black Skimmer in that you can beach it or let
the tide run out from under you and just sit upright on the sand. It
has a 10" draft. My kids love it (and so do my wife and I).
As for a Bolger boat -- well, first I built a Windsprint, about 7
years ago; then a Michalak Toto, then a Bolger Gypsy, then about 6
other small boats by Bolger, Michalak, or Gavin Atkin (Mouseboats) . .
. and then Cormorant -- which temporarily cured me of the boatbuilding
bug.
All best,
Garth
I tried to reply directly to you, but somehow my e-mail got bounced
back as "undeliverable." So I'll paste it in here:
-----
I hope we get to visit you and your Black Skimmer next summer. Here's
a link to Jim Michalak's page where he ran a description of our Cape
Cod trip in Cormorant.
http://homepages.apci.net/~michalak/15aug05.htm
The photos don't really correspond to my letter to him -- just a
random sampling he dropped in -- and we didn't take any pictures of
the stormy day.
Cormorant is a lot like Black Skimmer in that you can beach it or let
the tide run out from under you and just sit upright on the sand. It
has a 10" draft. My kids love it (and so do my wife and I).
As for a Bolger boat -- well, first I built a Windsprint, about 7
years ago; then a Michalak Toto, then a Bolger Gypsy, then about 6
other small boats by Bolger, Michalak, or Gavin Atkin (Mouseboats) . .
. and then Cormorant -- which temporarily cured me of the boatbuilding
bug.
All best,
Garth
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bluebirdfitz" <bluebirdfitz@y...> wrote:
>
> Hi Garth,
>
> We will be moored of and on throughout the summer in Eastham. The
downside is that we
> are at the mercy of the tides; the upside is that when it's low tide
we just hang out at the
> beach and catch horshoe crabs. I'm excited to be sailing the black
skimmer this summer
> (as opposed to our catboat which draws 30 inches) because it takes
off on a dew, and we
> can trailer it around to other spots on the Cape--and beyond. I'd
be happy to take you for
> a sail when you are down there. Just keep in touch and let us know
when you will be
> there. It is easier to reach me at my e-mail fitz@j... Do you sail
a Bolger boat?
>
> John Fitz
>
Do you have the BS pics from Bill McKibben's album?
See here;
http://www.boatdesign.com/jumps/mckib/Page.html
Rick
Harry Jamers <welshman@...> wrote:
Still looking for pics, if anybody has Black Skimmer pics I would like them.
HJ
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Rick
Harry Jamers <welshman@...> wrote:
Still looking for pics, if anybody has Black Skimmer pics I would like them.
HJ
John Fitzsimmons wrote:
> I hope my Black Skimmer with seven kids hanging on theBolger rules!!!
> chine logs won't wake you from your reverie:)
>
> John Fitz
> 25 ft. Black Skimmer
> all over Cape Cod Bay (we hope)
>
> --- Peter Lenihan <peterlenihan@...> wrote:
>
>
>> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James
>> <welshman@p...> wrote:
>>
>>> Ah Moccasin, my first Bolger love. I used to lie
>>>
>> awake at night
>> gazing
>>
>>> at her lovely lines in "Folding Schooner" dreaming
>>>
>> of rapid offshore
>>
>>> down wind passages and shallow tropic anchorages
>>>
>> where I step over
>> the
>>
>>> side and wade ashore to the palm fringed white
>>>
>> sand beach.
>>
>> ...and hopefully greeted by some cold drink bearing
>> drop-dead
>> delicious enchantress who a)speaks English,b)is
>> clean,c)owns the
>> island and d)was just about to change sexual
>> orientation forever
>> before laying her
>> see-forever-right-through-my-lusty-soul eyes upon my
>>
>> hairy tanned beer-pot belly(I swear I saw a
>> Pavlovian dribble in the
>> corner of her flushed lips!).....or at least that is
>> how my dreams
>> always begin Harry 'cept I'm sailing in
>> fast-n-furious aboard an all
>> steel Wolftrap and be damned the coral
>> heads....Arrrh! Matey! The bums
>> life fer me :-)
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Peter Lenihan,pirate wannabe,dreamer and
>> long-distant astral voyageur
>> slowly freezing his butt off along the shores of the
>> St.Lawrence where
>> there is no shortage of wenches but the sand ain't
>> white and I'm still
>> waiting for the greenhouse effect to kick-in so that
>> me palm tree
>> seeds can be planted..........
>>
>>
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Still looking for pics, if anybody has Black Skimmer pics I would like them.
HJ
John Fitzsimmons wrote:
HJ
John Fitzsimmons wrote:
> I hope my Black Skimmer with seven kids hanging on the
> chine logs won't wake you from your reverie:)
>
> John Fitz
> 25 ft. Black Skimmer
> all over Cape Cod Bay (we hope)
>
> --- Peter Lenihan <peterlenihan@...> wrote:
>
>
>> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James
>> <welshman@p...> wrote:
>>
>>> Ah Moccasin, my first Bolger love. I used to lie
>>>
>> awake at night
>> gazing
>>
>>> at her lovely lines in "Folding Schooner" dreaming
>>>
>> of rapid offshore
>>
>>> down wind passages and shallow tropic anchorages
>>>
>> where I step over
>> the
>>
>>> side and wade ashore to the palm fringed white
>>>
>> sand beach.
>>
>> ...and hopefully greeted by some cold drink bearing
>> drop-dead
>> delicious enchantress who a)speaks English,b)is
>> clean,c)owns the
>> island and d)was just about to change sexual
>> orientation forever
>> before laying her
>> see-forever-right-through-my-lusty-soul eyes upon my
>>
>> hairy tanned beer-pot belly(I swear I saw a
>> Pavlovian dribble in the
>> corner of her flushed lips!).....or at least that is
>> how my dreams
>> always begin Harry 'cept I'm sailing in
>> fast-n-furious aboard an all
>> steel Wolftrap and be damned the coral
>> heads....Arrrh! Matey! The bums
>> life fer me :-)
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Peter Lenihan,pirate wannabe,dreamer and
>> long-distant astral voyageur
>> slowly freezing his butt off along the shores of the
>> St.Lawrence where
>> there is no shortage of wenches but the sand ain't
>> white and I'm still
>> waiting for the greenhouse effect to kick-in so that
>> me palm tree
>> seeds can be planted..........
>>
>>
Hi Garth,
We will be moored of and on throughout the summer in Eastham. The downside is that we
are at the mercy of the tides; the upside is that when it's low tide we just hang out at the
beach and catch horshoe crabs. I'm excited to be sailing the black skimmer this summer
(as opposed to our catboat which draws 30 inches) because it takes off on a dew, and we
can trailer it around to other spots on the Cape--and beyond. I'd be happy to take you for
a sail when you are down there. Just keep in touch and let us know when you will be
there. It is easier to reach me at my e-mailfitz@.... Do you sail a Bolger boat?
John Fitz
We will be moored of and on throughout the summer in Eastham. The downside is that we
are at the mercy of the tides; the upside is that when it's low tide we just hang out at the
beach and catch horshoe crabs. I'm excited to be sailing the black skimmer this summer
(as opposed to our catboat which draws 30 inches) because it takes off on a dew, and we
can trailer it around to other spots on the Cape--and beyond. I'd be happy to take you for
a sail when you are down there. Just keep in touch and let us know when you will be
there. It is easier to reach me at my e-mailfitz@.... Do you sail a Bolger boat?
John Fitz
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "GarthAB" <garth@b...> wrote:
>
> Hi John --
>
> Where will you sail from? Wellfleet?
>
> I'm a huge fan of Cape Cod Bay (coming from upstate NY) -- and I'm
> spending the winter looking at my Cape Cod photos as a screensaver on
> my computer, while I dream of the day we can return.
>
> We'll definitely have at least a week there next summer -- and if I
> could see your Black Skimmer in the process it would be doubly fun.
>
> Garth
> (Michalak Cormorant "Sea Fever")
>
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, John Fitzsimmons <bluebirdfitz@y...> wrote:
> >
> > I hope my Black Skimmer with seven kids hanging on the
> > chine logs won't wake you from your reverie:)
> >
> > John Fitz
> > 25 ft. Black Skimmer
> > all over Cape Cod Bay (we hope)
>
Hi John --
Where will you sail from? Wellfleet?
I'm a huge fan of Cape Cod Bay (coming from upstate NY) -- and I'm
spending the winter looking at my Cape Cod photos as a screensaver on
my computer, while I dream of the day we can return.
We'll definitely have at least a week there next summer -- and if I
could see your Black Skimmer in the process it would be doubly fun.
Garth
(Michalak Cormorant "Sea Fever")
Where will you sail from? Wellfleet?
I'm a huge fan of Cape Cod Bay (coming from upstate NY) -- and I'm
spending the winter looking at my Cape Cod photos as a screensaver on
my computer, while I dream of the day we can return.
We'll definitely have at least a week there next summer -- and if I
could see your Black Skimmer in the process it would be doubly fun.
Garth
(Michalak Cormorant "Sea Fever")
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, John Fitzsimmons <bluebirdfitz@y...> wrote:
>
> I hope my Black Skimmer with seven kids hanging on the
> chine logs won't wake you from your reverie:)
>
> John Fitz
> 25 ft. Black Skimmer
> all over Cape Cod Bay (we hope)
I hope my Black Skimmer with seven kids hanging on the
chine logs won't wake you from your reverie:)
John Fitz
25 ft. Black Skimmer
all over Cape Cod Bay (we hope)
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chine logs won't wake you from your reverie:)
John Fitz
25 ft. Black Skimmer
all over Cape Cod Bay (we hope)
--- Peter Lenihan <peterlenihan@...> wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James__________________________________________________
> <welshman@p...> wrote:
> >
> > Ah Moccasin, my first Bolger love. I used to lie
> awake at night
> gazing
> > at her lovely lines in "Folding Schooner" dreaming
> of rapid offshore
> > down wind passages and shallow tropic anchorages
> where I step over
> the
> > side and wade ashore to the palm fringed white
> sand beach.
>
> ...and hopefully greeted by some cold drink bearing
> drop-dead
> delicious enchantress who a)speaks English,b)is
> clean,c)owns the
> island and d)was just about to change sexual
> orientation forever
> before laying her
> see-forever-right-through-my-lusty-soul eyes upon my
>
> hairy tanned beer-pot belly(I swear I saw a
> Pavlovian dribble in the
> corner of her flushed lips!).....or at least that is
> how my dreams
> always begin Harry 'cept I'm sailing in
> fast-n-furious aboard an all
> steel Wolftrap and be damned the coral
> heads....Arrrh! Matey! The bums
> life fer me :-)
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Peter Lenihan,pirate wannabe,dreamer and
> long-distant astral voyageur
> slowly freezing his butt off along the shores of the
> St.Lawrence where
> there is no shortage of wenches but the sand ain't
> white and I'm still
> waiting for the greenhouse effect to kick-in so that
> me palm tree
> seeds can be planted..........
>
>
>
>
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@p...> wrote:
delicious enchantress who a)speaks English,b)is clean,c)owns the
island and d)was just about to change sexual orientation forever
before laying her see-forever-right-through-my-lusty-soul eyes upon my
hairy tanned beer-pot belly(I swear I saw a Pavlovian dribble in the
corner of her flushed lips!).....or at least that is how my dreams
always begin Harry 'cept I'm sailing in fast-n-furious aboard an all
steel Wolftrap and be damned the coral heads....Arrrh! Matey! The bums
life fer me :-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,pirate wannabe,dreamer and long-distant astral voyageur
slowly freezing his butt off along the shores of the St.Lawrence where
there is no shortage of wenches but the sand ain't white and I'm still
waiting for the greenhouse effect to kick-in so that me palm tree
seeds can be planted..........
>gazing
> Ah Moccasin, my first Bolger love. I used to lie awake at night
> at her lovely lines in "Folding Schooner" dreaming of rapid offshorethe
> down wind passages and shallow tropic anchorages where I step over
> side and wade ashore to the palm fringed white sand beach....and hopefully greeted by some cold drink bearing drop-dead
delicious enchantress who a)speaks English,b)is clean,c)owns the
island and d)was just about to change sexual orientation forever
before laying her see-forever-right-through-my-lusty-soul eyes upon my
hairy tanned beer-pot belly(I swear I saw a Pavlovian dribble in the
corner of her flushed lips!).....or at least that is how my dreams
always begin Harry 'cept I'm sailing in fast-n-furious aboard an all
steel Wolftrap and be damned the coral heads....Arrrh! Matey! The bums
life fer me :-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,pirate wannabe,dreamer and long-distant astral voyageur
slowly freezing his butt off along the shores of the St.Lawrence where
there is no shortage of wenches but the sand ain't white and I'm still
waiting for the greenhouse effect to kick-in so that me palm tree
seeds can be planted..........
Ah Moccasin, my first Bolger love. I used to lie awake at night gazing
at her lovely lines in "Folding Schooner" dreaming of rapid offshore
down wind passages and shallow tropic anchorages where I step over the
side and wade ashore to the palm fringed white sand beach.
HJ
Doug Pollard wrote:
at her lovely lines in "Folding Schooner" dreaming of rapid offshore
down wind passages and shallow tropic anchorages where I step over the
side and wade ashore to the palm fringed white sand beach.
HJ
Doug Pollard wrote:
>I posted something about this a week or so ago but there wasn't a bite
>on it. I'll try again. At Millers Marina in Deltaville Va. was a Black
>Skimmer setting up in the yard It had set there several years. I
>wondered if it had been Mike O Brians boat. When I built Wolftrap I
>liked black skimmer having seen it anchored in Mathews county Virginia.
>I had seen Moccason I think in woodenboat Mag. I liked both of these
>boats. I wasn't much familiar with Phil Bolgers designes. Mike talked
>me into haveing Mr. Bolger design Wolftrap.
>Are we talking about the same boat??
>
> Doug
>
>Eric OHiggins wrote:
>
>
>
I posted something about this a week or so ago but there wasn't a bite
on it. I'll try again. At Millers Marina in Deltaville Va. was a Black
Skimmer setting up in the yard It had set there several years. I
wondered if it had been Mike O Brians boat. When I built Wolftrap I
liked black skimmer having seen it anchored in Mathews county Virginia.
I had seen Moccason I think in woodenboat Mag. I liked both of these
boats. I wasn't much familiar with Phil Bolgers designes. Mike talked
me into haveing Mr. Bolger design Wolftrap.
Are we talking about the same boat??
Doug
Eric OHiggins wrote:
on it. I'll try again. At Millers Marina in Deltaville Va. was a Black
Skimmer setting up in the yard It had set there several years. I
wondered if it had been Mike O Brians boat. When I built Wolftrap I
liked black skimmer having seen it anchored in Mathews county Virginia.
I had seen Moccason I think in woodenboat Mag. I liked both of these
boats. I wasn't much familiar with Phil Bolgers designes. Mike talked
me into haveing Mr. Bolger design Wolftrap.
Are we talking about the same boat??
Doug
Eric OHiggins wrote:
> Harry, I was told at the time that Tashtego was the
> boat Mike O'Brien built. I don't vouch for the
> spelling at this distance, however. All our pictures
> are a) 600 miles away b) not of the boat under sail c)
> pre-digital and me with no scanner -- other than that
> I'd be glad to share. Eric
>
> --- Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
>
> > Mike O'Brien of Woodenboat commissioned the design
> > and had the first one
> > built. Does anyone knows the name?
> >
> > chaemeocyparis wrote:
> >
> > >I didn't see any actual experience reports, so here
> > goes -- we sailed Tashtego (was that
> > >the first Skimmer built?) on Florida Bay for a
> > couple of weeks when she was for rent there
> > >some years back. Pretty steady 25 knots except for
> > I think one day.
> > > The boat heeled down to about 15 degrees or so
> > very readily and then stiffened up. We
> > >sailed with one reef in but full mizzen, which was
> > mostly for balance to take all the
> > >pressure off the helm. That strategy made quite a
> > noticeable difference in boat speed.
> > > The main was good when reefed, but badly blown
> > when we came to shake out the reef in
> > >light air so I don't have much useful to say about
> > that. We mostly tacked with the
> > >windward board broken-winged and hoisted it out of
> > the way when we were steady on
> > >course. Dropping the leeward board as she came
> > through the wind worked well for us;
> > >the broken wing was no trouble at all while we got
> > tidied away.
> > > Off the wind was trouble free and north river
> > jibes were quiet -- no slamming with the
> > >sprit rig.
> > > The bottom was dirty and didn't like that
> > condition at all, much better after we'd
> > >scrubbed.
> > > The cabin proved to be more comfortable for
> > lounging than our later Colvin schooner --
> > >sitting against the side feels much like yr
> > armchair at home with yr feet on the stool.
> > > Great boat. Lucky you, you'll love it.
> > > Eric
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bluebirdfitz"
> > <bluebirdfitz@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>Hopefully, I can rectify that:)
> > >>
> > >>John Fitz
> > >>
> > >>--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James
> > <welshman@p...> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>Ditto on the photo's
> > >>>
> > >>>It is noteworthy that Black Skimmer, a truly
> > beautiful boat has such a
> > >>>small presence on the web. Very few pictures
> > under sail.
> > >>>
> > >>>HJ --another luster after Black Skimmers.
> > >>>
> > >>>Bruce Hallman wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>Photos?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
>
>
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Harry, I was told at the time that Tashtego was the
boat Mike O'Brien built. I don't vouch for the
spelling at this distance, however. All our pictures
are a) 600 miles away b) not of the boat under sail c)
pre-digital and me with no scanner -- other than that
I'd be glad to share. Eric
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boat Mike O'Brien built. I don't vouch for the
spelling at this distance, however. All our pictures
are a) 600 miles away b) not of the boat under sail c)
pre-digital and me with no scanner -- other than that
I'd be glad to share. Eric
--- Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
> Mike O'Brien of Woodenboat commissioned the design__________________________________________________
> and had the first one
> built. Does anyone knows the name?
>
> chaemeocyparis wrote:
>
> >I didn't see any actual experience reports, so here
> goes -- we sailed Tashtego (was that
> >the first Skimmer built?) on Florida Bay for a
> couple of weeks when she was for rent there
> >some years back. Pretty steady 25 knots except for
> I think one day.
> > The boat heeled down to about 15 degrees or so
> very readily and then stiffened up. We
> >sailed with one reef in but full mizzen, which was
> mostly for balance to take all the
> >pressure off the helm. That strategy made quite a
> noticeable difference in boat speed.
> > The main was good when reefed, but badly blown
> when we came to shake out the reef in
> >light air so I don't have much useful to say about
> that. We mostly tacked with the
> >windward board broken-winged and hoisted it out of
> the way when we were steady on
> >course. Dropping the leeward board as she came
> through the wind worked well for us;
> >the broken wing was no trouble at all while we got
> tidied away.
> > Off the wind was trouble free and north river
> jibes were quiet -- no slamming with the
> >sprit rig.
> > The bottom was dirty and didn't like that
> condition at all, much better after we'd
> >scrubbed.
> > The cabin proved to be more comfortable for
> lounging than our later Colvin schooner --
> >sitting against the side feels much like yr
> armchair at home with yr feet on the stool.
> > Great boat. Lucky you, you'll love it.
> > Eric
> >
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bluebirdfitz"
> <bluebirdfitz@y...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Hopefully, I can rectify that:)
> >>
> >>John Fitz
> >>
> >>--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James
> <welshman@p...> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Ditto on the photo's
> >>>
> >>>It is noteworthy that Black Skimmer, a truly
> beautiful boat has such a
> >>>small presence on the web. Very few pictures
> under sail.
> >>>
> >>>HJ --another luster after Black Skimmers.
> >>>
> >>>Bruce Hallman wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>Photos?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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Mike O'Brien of Woodenboat commissioned the design and had the first one
built. Does anyone knows the name?
chaemeocyparis wrote:
built. Does anyone knows the name?
chaemeocyparis wrote:
>I didn't see any actual experience reports, so here goes -- we sailed Tashtego (was that
>the first Skimmer built?) on Florida Bay for a couple of weeks when she was for rent there
>some years back. Pretty steady 25 knots except for I think one day.
> The boat heeled down to about 15 degrees or so very readily and then stiffened up. We
>sailed with one reef in but full mizzen, which was mostly for balance to take all the
>pressure off the helm. That strategy made quite a noticeable difference in boat speed.
> The main was good when reefed, but badly blown when we came to shake out the reef in
>light air so I don't have much useful to say about that. We mostly tacked with the
>windward board broken-winged and hoisted it out of the way when we were steady on
>course. Dropping the leeward board as she came through the wind worked well for us;
>the broken wing was no trouble at all while we got tidied away.
> Off the wind was trouble free and north river jibes were quiet -- no slamming with the
>sprit rig.
> The bottom was dirty and didn't like that condition at all, much better after we'd
>scrubbed.
> The cabin proved to be more comfortable for lounging than our later Colvin schooner --
>sitting against the side feels much like yr armchair at home with yr feet on the stool.
> Great boat. Lucky you, you'll love it.
> Eric
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bluebirdfitz" <bluebirdfitz@y...> wrote:
>
>
>>Hopefully, I can rectify that:)
>>
>>John Fitz
>>
>>--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@p...> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Ditto on the photo's
>>>
>>>It is noteworthy that Black Skimmer, a truly beautiful boat has such a
>>>small presence on the web. Very few pictures under sail.
>>>
>>>HJ --another luster after Black Skimmers.
>>>
>>>Bruce Hallman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Photos?
>>>>>
>>>>>
Morning, John:
Nothing ominous at all -- the leeboards on Tashtego were tied to the hull with a few
links on heavy chain. When we went about, the the little bit of chain chain allowed the
board to trail away to windward. The leeward board is held in place against the knuckle of
the hull by whatever leeway yr making while tacking, plus some toe-in built into the
design.
Boats with the leeboards using bolts obviously won't work that way -- broken wing
would mean broken boat in such a case. Mr. Bolger didn't invent the chain attachment (I
think it appears in Chappell's Boatbuilding on the Dutch sailing scow). Bolger's design is
exactly right, I think, and never caused us a moment's worry. Even when we hit a rock (the
only rock?) west of Key Largo. Big bang, the board flew up in the air and flopped back into
position and we kept right on going at 6 knots, laughing like fools.
Eric
Nothing ominous at all -- the leeboards on Tashtego were tied to the hull with a few
links on heavy chain. When we went about, the the little bit of chain chain allowed the
board to trail away to windward. The leeward board is held in place against the knuckle of
the hull by whatever leeway yr making while tacking, plus some toe-in built into the
design.
Boats with the leeboards using bolts obviously won't work that way -- broken wing
would mean broken boat in such a case. Mr. Bolger didn't invent the chain attachment (I
think it appears in Chappell's Boatbuilding on the Dutch sailing scow). Bolger's design is
exactly right, I think, and never caused us a moment's worry. Even when we hit a rock (the
only rock?) west of Key Largo. Big bang, the board flew up in the air and flopped back into
position and we kept right on going at 6 knots, laughing like fools.
Eric
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bluebirdfitz" <bluebirdfitz@y...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Eric. One of the drawing points for me was the size of the cabin, as well as the
size
> of the cockpit. With seven kids we can use the room. Mostly I'll sail off the beach in
Cape
> Cod bay; so the shell collectors can stay on shore. What do you mean when you sail
> broken winged? It sounds somewhat ominous:)
>
> John Fitz
>http://www.johnfitz.com
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "chaemeocyparis" <chaemeocyparis@y...> wrote:
> >
> > I didn't see any actual experience reports, so here goes -- we sailed Tashtego (was
that
> > the first Skimmer built?) on Florida Bay for a couple of weeks when she was for rent
> there
> > some years back. Pretty steady 25 knots except for I think one day.
> > The boat heeled down to about 15 degrees or so very readily and then stiffened up.
> We
> > sailed with one reef in but full mizzen, which was mostly for balance to take all the
> > pressure off the helm. That strategy made quite a noticeable difference in boat
speed.
> > The main was good when reefed, but badly blown when we came to shake out the
reef
> in
> > light air so I don't have much useful to say about that. We mostly tacked with the
> > windward board broken-winged and hoisted it out of the way when we were steady on
> > course. Dropping the leeward board as she came through the wind worked well for
us;
> > the broken wing was no trouble at all while we got tidied away.
> > Off the wind was trouble free and north river jibes were quiet -- no slamming with
the
> > sprit rig.
> > The bottom was dirty and didn't like that condition at all, much better after we'd
> > scrubbed.
> > The cabin proved to be more comfortable for lounging than our later Colvin
schooner
> --
> > sitting against the side feels much like yr armchair at home with yr feet on the stool.
> > Great boat. Lucky you, you'll love it.
> > Eric
> >
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bluebirdfitz" <bluebirdfitz@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hopefully, I can rectify that:)
> > >
> > > John Fitz
> > >
> > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@p...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ditto on the photo's
> > > >
> > > > It is noteworthy that Black Skimmer, a truly beautiful boat has such a
> > > > small presence on the web. Very few pictures under sail.
> > > >
> > > > HJ --another luster after Black Skimmers.
> > > >
> > > > Bruce Hallman wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >>Photos?
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >Ditto from me, can we please see photos?
> > > > >
> > > > >Also, can you tell the history of your boat.
> > > > >
> > > > >You also will probably will want to borrow or buy a copy of Bolger's
> > > > >book _The Folding Schooner_ ISBN 0-87742-083-1 which has a chapter
> > > > >about Black Skimmer.
> >
>
Thanks Eric. One of the drawing points for me was the size of the cabin, as well as the size
of the cockpit. With seven kids we can use the room. Mostly I'll sail off the beach in Cape
Cod bay; so the shell collectors can stay on shore. What do you mean when you sail
broken winged? It sounds somewhat ominous:)
John Fitz
http://www.johnfitz.com
of the cockpit. With seven kids we can use the room. Mostly I'll sail off the beach in Cape
Cod bay; so the shell collectors can stay on shore. What do you mean when you sail
broken winged? It sounds somewhat ominous:)
John Fitz
http://www.johnfitz.com
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "chaemeocyparis" <chaemeocyparis@y...> wrote:
>
> I didn't see any actual experience reports, so here goes -- we sailed Tashtego (was that
> the first Skimmer built?) on Florida Bay for a couple of weeks when she was for rent
there
> some years back. Pretty steady 25 knots except for I think one day.
> The boat heeled down to about 15 degrees or so very readily and then stiffened up.
We
> sailed with one reef in but full mizzen, which was mostly for balance to take all the
> pressure off the helm. That strategy made quite a noticeable difference in boat speed.
> The main was good when reefed, but badly blown when we came to shake out the reef
in
> light air so I don't have much useful to say about that. We mostly tacked with the
> windward board broken-winged and hoisted it out of the way when we were steady on
> course. Dropping the leeward board as she came through the wind worked well for us;
> the broken wing was no trouble at all while we got tidied away.
> Off the wind was trouble free and north river jibes were quiet -- no slamming with the
> sprit rig.
> The bottom was dirty and didn't like that condition at all, much better after we'd
> scrubbed.
> The cabin proved to be more comfortable for lounging than our later Colvin schooner
--
> sitting against the side feels much like yr armchair at home with yr feet on the stool.
> Great boat. Lucky you, you'll love it.
> Eric
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bluebirdfitz" <bluebirdfitz@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Hopefully, I can rectify that:)
> >
> > John Fitz
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@p...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Ditto on the photo's
> > >
> > > It is noteworthy that Black Skimmer, a truly beautiful boat has such a
> > > small presence on the web. Very few pictures under sail.
> > >
> > > HJ --another luster after Black Skimmers.
> > >
> > > Bruce Hallman wrote:
> > >
> > > >>Photos?
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >Ditto from me, can we please see photos?
> > > >
> > > >Also, can you tell the history of your boat.
> > > >
> > > >You also will probably will want to borrow or buy a copy of Bolger's
> > > >book _The Folding Schooner_ ISBN 0-87742-083-1 which has a chapter
> > > >about Black Skimmer.
>
I didn't see any actual experience reports, so here goes -- we sailed Tashtego (was that
the first Skimmer built?) on Florida Bay for a couple of weeks when she was for rent there
some years back. Pretty steady 25 knots except for I think one day.
The boat heeled down to about 15 degrees or so very readily and then stiffened up. We
sailed with one reef in but full mizzen, which was mostly for balance to take all the
pressure off the helm. That strategy made quite a noticeable difference in boat speed.
The main was good when reefed, but badly blown when we came to shake out the reef in
light air so I don't have much useful to say about that. We mostly tacked with the
windward board broken-winged and hoisted it out of the way when we were steady on
course. Dropping the leeward board as she came through the wind worked well for us;
the broken wing was no trouble at all while we got tidied away.
Off the wind was trouble free and north river jibes were quiet -- no slamming with the
sprit rig.
The bottom was dirty and didn't like that condition at all, much better after we'd
scrubbed.
The cabin proved to be more comfortable for lounging than our later Colvin schooner --
sitting against the side feels much like yr armchair at home with yr feet on the stool.
Great boat. Lucky you, you'll love it.
Eric
the first Skimmer built?) on Florida Bay for a couple of weeks when she was for rent there
some years back. Pretty steady 25 knots except for I think one day.
The boat heeled down to about 15 degrees or so very readily and then stiffened up. We
sailed with one reef in but full mizzen, which was mostly for balance to take all the
pressure off the helm. That strategy made quite a noticeable difference in boat speed.
The main was good when reefed, but badly blown when we came to shake out the reef in
light air so I don't have much useful to say about that. We mostly tacked with the
windward board broken-winged and hoisted it out of the way when we were steady on
course. Dropping the leeward board as she came through the wind worked well for us;
the broken wing was no trouble at all while we got tidied away.
Off the wind was trouble free and north river jibes were quiet -- no slamming with the
sprit rig.
The bottom was dirty and didn't like that condition at all, much better after we'd
scrubbed.
The cabin proved to be more comfortable for lounging than our later Colvin schooner --
sitting against the side feels much like yr armchair at home with yr feet on the stool.
Great boat. Lucky you, you'll love it.
Eric
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bluebirdfitz" <bluebirdfitz@y...> wrote:
>
> Hopefully, I can rectify that:)
>
> John Fitz
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@p...> wrote:
> >
> > Ditto on the photo's
> >
> > It is noteworthy that Black Skimmer, a truly beautiful boat has such a
> > small presence on the web. Very few pictures under sail.
> >
> > HJ --another luster after Black Skimmers.
> >
> > Bruce Hallman wrote:
> >
> > >>Photos?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >Ditto from me, can we please see photos?
> > >
> > >Also, can you tell the history of your boat.
> > >
> > >You also will probably will want to borrow or buy a copy of Bolger's
> > >book _The Folding Schooner_ ISBN 0-87742-083-1 which has a chapter
> > >about Black Skimmer.
Hi John,
I am from Deltaville Va. You didn't by any chance buy that boat
from Millers Marine In Deltaville did you.
Doug
bluebirdfitz wrote:
I am from Deltaville Va. You didn't by any chance buy that boat
from Millers Marine In Deltaville did you.
Doug
bluebirdfitz wrote:
> Yes, that means the solent rig as well. The original mast is sparred
> at 34 feet I believe. I
> think I will keep that long mast at teh boatyard for thise times when
> I can keep her on a
> mooring for a spell. I just joined this group, so I'm not too sure
> how to post photos,
> though I will try to figure it out. Once I get the boat home I will
> make up a homepage on
> our .mac account. In the meantime I am trying to sell my Wittholz 17
> catboat. It's a
> homebuilt, hard chine model built by my wife's uncle. We've sailed in
> her for the last few
> years. A nice boat, but not suited to our purposes, as it has a keel
> and needs to stay on a
> mooring. I'm looking forward to sailing the skimmer.
>
> John Fitz
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bluebirdfitz" <bluebirdfitz@y...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I just took the plunge and bought a Black Skimmer. Many years ago
> > I owned a New Haven
> > > Sharpie. I'm just wondering what I should know about sailing the
> > boat, as well as trailering
> > > the boat. She comes with both rigs. Has anybody used an electric
> > motor for an auxillary?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > John Fitz
> > > Black Skimmer
> > > Maynard MA
> >
> > Hi John,
> >
> > ..."both rigs?" Does that mean the Solent rig as well? There was an
> > article about that some time ago in MAIB. But that would mean you
> > have two masts as well? Trailering is the problem with the original
> > mast I believe.
> >
> > Photos?
> >
> > Nels
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Hopefully, I can rectify that:)
John Fitz
John Fitz
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@p...> wrote:
>
> Ditto on the photo's
>
> It is noteworthy that Black Skimmer, a truly beautiful boat has such a
> small presence on the web. Very few pictures under sail.
>
> HJ --another luster after Black Skimmers.
>
> Bruce Hallman wrote:
>
> >>Photos?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Ditto from me, can we please see photos?
> >
> >Also, can you tell the history of your boat.
> >
> >You also will probably will want to borrow or buy a copy of Bolger's
> >book _The Folding Schooner_ ISBN 0-87742-083-1 which has a chapter
> >about Black Skimmer.
> >
> >
> >
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Ditto on the photo's
It is noteworthy that Black Skimmer, a truly beautiful boat has such a
small presence on the web. Very few pictures under sail.
HJ --another luster after Black Skimmers.
Bruce Hallman wrote:
It is noteworthy that Black Skimmer, a truly beautiful boat has such a
small presence on the web. Very few pictures under sail.
HJ --another luster after Black Skimmers.
Bruce Hallman wrote:
>>Photos?
>>
>>
>
>Ditto from me, can we please see photos?
>
>Also, can you tell the history of your boat.
>
>You also will probably will want to borrow or buy a copy of Bolger's
>book _The Folding Schooner_ ISBN 0-87742-083-1 which has a chapter
>about Black Skimmer.
>
>
>
>Bolger rules!!!
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I'll post some photos as soon as I can. I don't know
a lot of the history. I believe she was built in the
mid 80's, in the midwest of all place, by a
professional builder. She checks out as a solidly
built boat. I've never sailed a leeboarder, but I'mm
sure looking forward to the summer.
John Fitz
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a lot of the history. I believe she was built in the
mid 80's, in the midwest of all place, by a
professional builder. She checks out as a solidly
built boat. I've never sailed a leeboarder, but I'mm
sure looking forward to the summer.
John Fitz
--- Bruce Hallman <bruce@...> wrote:
> > Photos?__________________________________________
>
> Ditto from me, can we please see photos?
>
> Also, can you tell the history of your boat.
>
> You also will probably will want to borrow or buy a
> copy of Bolger's
> book _The Folding Schooner_ ISBN 0-87742-083-1 which
> has a chapter
> about Black Skimmer.
>
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Yes, that means the solent rig as well. The original mast is sparred at 34 feet I believe. I
think I will keep that long mast at teh boatyard for thise times when I can keep her on a
mooring for a spell. I just joined this group, so I'm not too sure how to post photos,
though I will try to figure it out. Once I get the boat home I will make up a homepage on
our .mac account. In the meantime I am trying to sell my Wittholz 17 catboat. It's a
homebuilt, hard chine model built by my wife's uncle. We've sailed in her for the last few
years. A nice boat, but not suited to our purposes, as it has a keel and needs to stay on a
mooring. I'm looking forward to sailing the skimmer.
John Fitz
think I will keep that long mast at teh boatyard for thise times when I can keep her on a
mooring for a spell. I just joined this group, so I'm not too sure how to post photos,
though I will try to figure it out. Once I get the boat home I will make up a homepage on
our .mac account. In the meantime I am trying to sell my Wittholz 17 catboat. It's a
homebuilt, hard chine model built by my wife's uncle. We've sailed in her for the last few
years. A nice boat, but not suited to our purposes, as it has a keel and needs to stay on a
mooring. I'm looking forward to sailing the skimmer.
John Fitz
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bluebirdfitz" <bluebirdfitz@y...>
> wrote:
> >
> > I just took the plunge and bought a Black Skimmer. Many years ago
> I owned a New Haven
> > Sharpie. I'm just wondering what I should know about sailing the
> boat, as well as trailering
> > the boat. She comes with both rigs. Has anybody used an electric
> motor for an auxillary?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > John Fitz
> > Black Skimmer
> > Maynard MA
>
> Hi John,
>
> ..."both rigs?" Does that mean the Solent rig as well? There was an
> article about that some time ago in MAIB. But that would mean you
> have two masts as well? Trailering is the problem with the original
> mast I believe.
>
> Photos?
>
> Nels
>
> Photos?Ditto from me, can we please see photos?
Also, can you tell the history of your boat.
You also will probably will want to borrow or buy a copy of Bolger's
book _The Folding Schooner_ ISBN 0-87742-083-1 which has a chapter
about Black Skimmer.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bluebirdfitz" <bluebirdfitz@y...>
wrote:
..."both rigs?" Does that mean the Solent rig as well? There was an
article about that some time ago in MAIB. But that would mean you
have two masts as well? Trailering is the problem with the original
mast I believe.
Photos?
Nels
wrote:
>I owned a New Haven
> I just took the plunge and bought a Black Skimmer. Many years ago
> Sharpie. I'm just wondering what I should know about sailing theboat, as well as trailering
> the boat. She comes with both rigs. Has anybody used an electricmotor for an auxillary?
>Hi John,
> Thanks,
>
> John Fitz
> Black Skimmer
> Maynard MA
..."both rigs?" Does that mean the Solent rig as well? There was an
article about that some time ago in MAIB. But that would mean you
have two masts as well? Trailering is the problem with the original
mast I believe.
Photos?
Nels
I just took the plunge and bought a Black Skimmer. Many years ago I owned a New Haven
Sharpie. I'm just wondering what I should know about sailing the boat, as well as trailering
the boat. She comes with both rigs. Has anybody used an electric motor for an auxillary?
Thanks,
John Fitz
Black Skimmer
Maynard MA
Sharpie. I'm just wondering what I should know about sailing the boat, as well as trailering
the boat. She comes with both rigs. Has anybody used an electric motor for an auxillary?
Thanks,
John Fitz
Black Skimmer
Maynard MA