Re: [bolger] Re: Reefing Leg 'O Mutton (jib headed) sprit sail
The folks who figured out some handy ways to reef small boat sails were
the old-time cruising canoe sailors. They had to be able to reduce sail
without standing up and stomping all over the boat, and they had to be
able to reduce sail often, because their boats didn't have much power to
carry sail. and shake the reefs out often too, to get going again when the
wind let up. A good place to start learning about decked sailing canoes is
here (towards the bottom of the page):
http://dragonflycanoe.com/
I'm sure Craig O'Donnell can tell us some more places to look. <g>
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the old-time cruising canoe sailors. They had to be able to reduce sail
without standing up and stomping all over the boat, and they had to be
able to reduce sail often, because their boats didn't have much power to
carry sail. and shake the reefs out often too, to get going again when the
wind let up. A good place to start learning about decked sailing canoes is
here (towards the bottom of the page):
http://dragonflycanoe.com/
I'm sure Craig O'Donnell can tell us some more places to look. <g>
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John <jkohnen@...>
What is more pleasant than a friendly little yacht, a long stretch of
smooth water, a gentle breeze, the stars? <Billy Atkin>
Sorry for the confusion.
Normally a sprit sail involves a quadrilateral sail with a sprit going from
the peak to a snotter on the lower part of the mast. Sometimes thes sails
have a boom and some times they don't. By removing the sprit, it is possible
to convert the quadrilateral sail into a smaller, triangular sail, and many
of PCB's designs show this reefing method.
I believe that the sail you are using is a triangular sail with a sprit
boom, sometimes called Chesapeake sprit sail and sometimes described a sprit
boomed leg of mutton.
My point in mentioning reefing my sprit sail was that unless you can do it
very quickly (as is possible with a sprit sail), reefing in a very small
boat is something best not attempted while afloat.
Hope this helps.
John T
Normally a sprit sail involves a quadrilateral sail with a sprit going from
the peak to a snotter on the lower part of the mast. Sometimes thes sails
have a boom and some times they don't. By removing the sprit, it is possible
to convert the quadrilateral sail into a smaller, triangular sail, and many
of PCB's designs show this reefing method.
I believe that the sail you are using is a triangular sail with a sprit
boom, sometimes called Chesapeake sprit sail and sometimes described a sprit
boomed leg of mutton.
My point in mentioning reefing my sprit sail was that unless you can do it
very quickly (as is possible with a sprit sail), reefing in a very small
boat is something best not attempted while afloat.
Hope this helps.
John T
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Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 2:42 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Reefing Leg 'O Mutton (jib headed) sprit sail
> John,
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> I'm having trouble visualizing this. I thought we were talking about a
> sharpie sprit sail, but you mention a sprit and a boom.
> Could you elaborate?
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>> The sprit rig was easy to reef while under way--let the snotter go,
> grab the sprit, and bring the peak down to the boom to create a
>> triangular sail
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John,
I'm having trouble visualizing this. I thought we were talking about a
sharpie sprit sail, but you mention a sprit and a boom.
Could you elaborate?
I'm having trouble visualizing this. I thought we were talking about a
sharpie sprit sail, but you mention a sprit and a boom.
Could you elaborate?
> The sprit rig was easy to reef while under way--let the snotter go,grab the sprit, and bring the peak down to the boom to create a
> triangular sail
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "John B. Trussell" <John.Trussell@w...>
wrote:
There is always a favorable wind direction and it takes 20+ winds to
create an 8" chop and the start of white caps. The rig in question
will be used on at least 2 boats. A 13'6" sharpie and a 14'x42"
canoe. I suspect the canoe will require reefing much more so than the
sharpie. Don't plan on outriggers for the canoe, too much
complication.
wrote:
> It should be noted that the kind of wind which requires a reef (tosay
> nothing of 2 reefs) will generate waves which will slow, splash, andperhaps
> overpower very small boats. Perhaps in winds strong enough torequire a
> reef, little boats should stay home.primary sailing venue is an almost perfectly round lake of 650 acres.
>
>Thanks to all who responded. Your points are well taken... My
There is always a favorable wind direction and it takes 20+ winds to
create an 8" chop and the start of white caps. The rig in question
will be used on at least 2 boats. A 13'6" sharpie and a 14'x42"
canoe. I suspect the canoe will require reefing much more so than the
sharpie. Don't plan on outriggers for the canoe, too much
complication.
My experience with little sailing boats and reefing has been confined to a
Bolger Sweet Pea with a sprit sail and a Michalak Mixer with a balanced lug.
The sprit rig was easy to reef while under way--let the snotter go, grab the
sprit, and bring the peak down to the boom to create a triangular sail/
Reefing the balanced lug involved dropping the sail, tieing in the reef, and
hoisting the shortened sail. This was easy enough when ashore, but afloat,
while the reef is being tied in, the boat turns broadside to the wind, and
you either have to hoist the sail while broadside (exciting) or try to
paddle the boat around head to wind and then get the sail up before the boat
falls off again. It can be done, and putting in a reef does a great deal to
reduce the "white knuckle" factor.
It should be noted that the kind of wind which requires a reef (to say
nothing of 2 reefs) will generate waves which will slow, splash, and perhaps
overpower very small boats. Perhaps in winds strong enough to require a
reef, little boats should stay home.
John T
Bolger Sweet Pea with a sprit sail and a Michalak Mixer with a balanced lug.
The sprit rig was easy to reef while under way--let the snotter go, grab the
sprit, and bring the peak down to the boom to create a triangular sail/
Reefing the balanced lug involved dropping the sail, tieing in the reef, and
hoisting the shortened sail. This was easy enough when ashore, but afloat,
while the reef is being tied in, the boat turns broadside to the wind, and
you either have to hoist the sail while broadside (exciting) or try to
paddle the boat around head to wind and then get the sail up before the boat
falls off again. It can be done, and putting in a reef does a great deal to
reduce the "white knuckle" factor.
It should be noted that the kind of wind which requires a reef (to say
nothing of 2 reefs) will generate waves which will slow, splash, and perhaps
overpower very small boats. Perhaps in winds strong enough to require a
reef, little boats should stay home.
John T
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From: "Phillip Lea" <phillip_lea@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 8:50 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Reefing Leg 'O Mutton (jib headed) sprit sail
I have a 67 sq. ft. leg of mutton for my June Bug and have reef
points about 2 feet up from the foot. I don't use a halyard and tie
the sail on with a longer line on the head - a shore job like Jamie
Orr. However, what happens when the wind is so strong that one
needs a reef in a June Bug, is that the height of the waves makes it
too rough and wet for anything but the most atheletic of sailing,
with a high risk of knockdown, and it is very hard on the mast and
partner which are lightly built. The great majority of us would not
venture out on those days at all, reefed or not. I have sailed
reefed only twice in the six seasons I have had the boat. It might
not be worth your time and effort to create reef points.
Phil Lea
Russellville, Arkansas
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Ron Carter" <carter@t...> wrote:
> I have a 59 sq ft. Payson sail my brother bought for
> "Cartopper" which has come to me unused.
> There is no provision in the sail for
> reefing. Any suggeations for parctical reefing?
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I have a 67 sq. ft. leg of mutton for my June Bug and have reef
points about 2 feet up from the foot. I don't use a halyard and tie
the sail on with a longer line on the head a shore job like Jamie
Orr. However, what happens when the wind is so strong that one
needs a reef in a June Bug, is that the height of the waves makes it
too rough and wet for anything but the most atheletic of sailing,
with a high risk of knockdown, and it is very hard on the mast and
partner which are lightly built. The great majority of us would not
venture out on those days at all, reefed or not. I have sailed
reefed only twice in the six seasons I have had the boat. It might
not be worth your time and effort to create reef points.
Phil Lea
Russellville, Arkansas
points about 2 feet up from the foot. I don't use a halyard and tie
the sail on with a longer line on the head a shore job like Jamie
Orr. However, what happens when the wind is so strong that one
needs a reef in a June Bug, is that the height of the waves makes it
too rough and wet for anything but the most atheletic of sailing,
with a high risk of knockdown, and it is very hard on the mast and
partner which are lightly built. The great majority of us would not
venture out on those days at all, reefed or not. I have sailed
reefed only twice in the six seasons I have had the boat. It might
not be worth your time and effort to create reef points.
Phil Lea
Russellville, Arkansas
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Ron Carter" <carter@t...> wrote:
> I have a 59 sq ft. Payson sail my brother bought for
> "Cartopper" which has come to me unused.
> There is no provision in the sail for
> reefing. Any suggeations for parctical reefing?
I have the same sail for an elegant punt. I put in a row of grommets
about 3 feet up from the foot and used these for a reef. The sail is
laced to the mast, so reefing is a shore job to adjust the lacing --
the boat isn't big enough to allow much fooling around with reefing
afloat anyway. I have put 2 pictures in Bolger 2 files in a folder
called "elegant punt", 1 with full sail and 1 reefed.
Jamie Orr
about 3 feet up from the foot and used these for a reef. The sail is
laced to the mast, so reefing is a shore job to adjust the lacing --
the boat isn't big enough to allow much fooling around with reefing
afloat anyway. I have put 2 pictures in Bolger 2 files in a folder
called "elegant punt", 1 with full sail and 1 reefed.
Jamie Orr
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Ron Carter" <carter@t...> wrote:
>
> I have a 59 sq ft. Payson sail my brother bought for "Cartopper"
which
> has come to me unused. I'm thinking of rigging a 13' sharpie with
it
> but have a question. There is no provision in the sail for
reefing.
> It is intended to be lashed to the mast and wrapped around the mast
> for storing. After the first wrap the snotter will be covered so
> wrapping isn't practical for reefing. Any suggeations for parctical
> reefing?
>
Like a June Bug, perhaps. Clyde
Ron Carter wrote:
Ron Carter wrote:
> I have a 59 sq ft. Payson sail my brother bought for "Cartopper" which[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> has come to me unused. I'm thinking of rigging a 13' sharpie with it
> but have a question. There is no provision in the sail for reefing.
> It is intended to be lashed to the mast and wrapped around the mast
> for storing. After the first wrap the snotter will be covered so
> wrapping isn't practical for reefing. Any suggeations for parctical
> reefing?
>
>
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I have a 59 sq ft. Payson sail my brother bought for "Cartopper" which
has come to me unused. I'm thinking of rigging a 13' sharpie with it
but have a question. There is no provision in the sail for reefing.
It is intended to be lashed to the mast and wrapped around the mast
for storing. After the first wrap the snotter will be covered so
wrapping isn't practical for reefing. Any suggeations for parctical
reefing?
has come to me unused. I'm thinking of rigging a 13' sharpie with it
but have a question. There is no provision in the sail for reefing.
It is intended to be lashed to the mast and wrapped around the mast
for storing. After the first wrap the snotter will be covered so
wrapping isn't practical for reefing. Any suggeations for parctical
reefing?