Re: Windfola
> The pointing is more problematic,Everything that follows is guess and opinion.
> perhaps inherent in the balanced lug, I wouldn't know.
I wouldn't blame the rig with some additional evidence. There are
plenty of satisfied users of balanced lugs. It's quite possible that
the sail area is small for the weight, though.
The keel form is not going to shine on a close reach, or anything
higher, and the slower the boat goes, the worse the keel will be. PCB
says in The Floating Schooner she won't point without the leeboard. It
would be interesting to know if the NZ boat uses the leeboard. It
looks to me like one of those features that PCB drew despite a near
certainty that it would never be built or used.
PEter
I did email John Wesford, he must have been working on his machine,
he emailed back,
"Hi CHarles, yes I know the boat. Its fairly stable, very roomy,
very
pretty, slow under sail and points poorly, was expensive to build and
needs
a lot of maintenance. Anything else?
JohnW"
There wasn't anything else on my part. I'm still thinking about the
boat, theoretical anyway, since I'm already working on other projects.
Perhaps the maintenance problem could be improved by building strip/
sheathed or epoxied plywood clinker. The pointing is more problematic,
perhaps inherent in the balanced lug, I wouldn't know. I wouldn't know
either why it's slow, but if it is, it is. Charles Rouse
"pvanderwaart" <pvanderwaart@y...> wrote:
he emailed back,
"Hi CHarles, yes I know the boat. Its fairly stable, very roomy,
very
pretty, slow under sail and points poorly, was expensive to build and
needs
a lot of maintenance. Anything else?
JohnW"
There wasn't anything else on my part. I'm still thinking about the
boat, theoretical anyway, since I'm already working on other projects.
Perhaps the maintenance problem could be improved by building strip/
sheathed or epoxied plywood clinker. The pointing is more problematic,
perhaps inherent in the balanced lug, I wouldn't know. I wouldn't know
either why it's slow, but if it is, it is. Charles Rouse
"pvanderwaart" <pvanderwaart@y...> wrote:
>would
> There was a Windfola built in New Zealand, I think. Perhaps that was
> the original built by the guy who commissioned the design. John
> Welsford, the designer from NZ, is familiar with the boat and the
> owner. I do remember him saying that it was very slow, but that
> be compared to the more performance oriented boats that Johndesigns.
> However, if you email John, or post a message on his Yahoo group
> (JWBuilders), you could get an informed opinion.
>
> Peter
There was a Windfola built in New Zealand, I think. Perhaps that was
the original built by the guy who commissioned the design. John
Welsford, the designer from NZ, is familiar with the boat and the
owner. I do remember him saying that it was very slow, but that would
be compared to the more performance oriented boats that John designs.
However, if you email John, or post a message on his Yahoo group
(JWBuilders), you could get an informed opinion.
Peter
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "baysidewoodenboats" <lillistone@b...>
wrote:
the original built by the guy who commissioned the design. John
Welsford, the designer from NZ, is familiar with the boat and the
owner. I do remember him saying that it was very slow, but that would
be compared to the more performance oriented boats that John designs.
However, if you email John, or post a message on his Yahoo group
(JWBuilders), you could get an informed opinion.
Peter
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "baysidewoodenboats" <lillistone@b...>
wrote:
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "zavalacat" <zavala@s...> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone know anything about the Windfola, I think 21 foot, canoe
> > yawl?
> > Charles Rouse
> >
> Dear Charles,
>
> Windfola is Phil's design #311, and details appear beginning at page
> #129 of his book, "The Folding Schooner and other adventures in boat
> design" Internation Marine Publishing Company 1976. By coincidence, I
> had been studying her last night (Australian Time0.
>
> She is indeed a 21' x 7' 1" double-ended canoe yawl, built lapstrake
> with a long, straight external keel of about 5" and a rope-hung
> leeboardfor use when serious about getting to windward. The rig is a
> balanced-lug main of 149sq.ft., and a sprit-boomed leg-o'-mutton
> mizzen of 42sq. ft.
>
> Windfola is open, with several large storage volumes under extensive
> decking. There are details on the plans for tented spay and camping
> shelter. Auxilliary power is from oars. If you are familiar with the
> canoe yawls popular in the late 1800's, you will know the sort of boat
> described.
>
> She is an absolutely beautiful design to my eyes - I just need to be
> able to convince myself that I can justify a 21ft LOA vessel these
> days. I've built so many boats now, that I take many second looks at
> boats with that much volume. I'm getting lazy...
>
> Ross Lillistone
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "zavalacat" <zavala@s...> wrote:
Windfola is Phil's design #311, and details appear beginning at page
#129 of his book, "The Folding Schooner and other adventures in boat
design" Internation Marine Publishing Company 1976. By coincidence, I
had been studying her last night (Australian Time0.
She is indeed a 21' x 7' 1" double-ended canoe yawl, built lapstrake
with a long, straight external keel of about 5" and a rope-hung
leeboardfor use when serious about getting to windward. The rig is a
balanced-lug main of 149sq.ft., and a sprit-boomed leg-o'-mutton
mizzen of 42sq. ft.
Windfola is open, with several large storage volumes under extensive
decking. There are details on the plans for tented spay and camping
shelter. Auxilliary power is from oars. If you are familiar with the
canoe yawls popular in the late 1800's, you will know the sort of boat
described.
She is an absolutely beautiful design to my eyes - I just need to be
able to convince myself that I can justify a 21ft LOA vessel these
days. I've built so many boats now, that I take many second looks at
boats with that much volume. I'm getting lazy...
Ross Lillistone
>Dear Charles,
> Does anyone know anything about the Windfola, I think 21 foot, canoe
> yawl?
> Charles Rouse
>
Windfola is Phil's design #311, and details appear beginning at page
#129 of his book, "The Folding Schooner and other adventures in boat
design" Internation Marine Publishing Company 1976. By coincidence, I
had been studying her last night (Australian Time0.
She is indeed a 21' x 7' 1" double-ended canoe yawl, built lapstrake
with a long, straight external keel of about 5" and a rope-hung
leeboardfor use when serious about getting to windward. The rig is a
balanced-lug main of 149sq.ft., and a sprit-boomed leg-o'-mutton
mizzen of 42sq. ft.
Windfola is open, with several large storage volumes under extensive
decking. There are details on the plans for tented spay and camping
shelter. Auxilliary power is from oars. If you are familiar with the
canoe yawls popular in the late 1800's, you will know the sort of boat
described.
She is an absolutely beautiful design to my eyes - I just need to be
able to convince myself that I can justify a 21ft LOA vessel these
days. I've built so many boats now, that I take many second looks at
boats with that much volume. I'm getting lazy...
Ross Lillistone
Does anyone know anything about the Windfola, I think 21 foot, canoe
yawl?
Charles Rouse
yawl?
Charles Rouse