Re: Rhino Liner for FastBrick?
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "adventures_in_astrophotography"
<jon@k...> wrote:
would be a good deck colour and is what I plan to use based on my
experience with the solvent based product that only comes in a
battleship grey.
My gut feeling is that any coating that is engineered to adhere to
metal and/or concrete will also adhere well to plywood or fiberglas.
And RustOleam is an epoxy anyway, it is basically only a matter of
price comparing. It already contains the solids that prevent UV
damage so also serves as the paint overcoat as well.
Nels
<jon@k...> wrote:
> Nels, the company claims it will stick to fiberglass and showscost
> boating applications on its website. The particular brand I asked
> about is not sold for self-application, and it would defnitely
> more than paint. The weight would be greater also, but FastBrickis
> a heavy 12' boat to begin with. I had to clamp a 2x4 to herbottom
> for use as a lever to flip her over for painting, so she's got tobe
> well over 200 lbs by now. By contrast, the 14' Michalak Roboteunder
> construction next to her and of the same beam should finish out atthe
> less than 70 lbs and be shoulder-portable for short distances!
> FastBrick has a self-draining slop well for the fuel tanks, but
> cockpit is basically a big bathtub.The two-part water-based RustOleum comes in a tan colour and I think
would be a good deck colour and is what I plan to use based on my
experience with the solvent based product that only comes in a
battleship grey.
My gut feeling is that any coating that is engineered to adhere to
metal and/or concrete will also adhere well to plywood or fiberglas.
And RustOleam is an epoxy anyway, it is basically only a matter of
price comparing. It already contains the solids that prevent UV
damage so also serves as the paint overcoat as well.
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "derbyrm" <derbyrm@i...> wrote:
Hi Roger and Clyde,
> You're right when you suggest that a light color would make the epoxy
happier.
>
> Roger
> > Late to mention, are most of these linings black? If so, do you
want to
> > sit in a black liner in the sun? I don't think epoxy does. Clyde
I was planning on using DuraBak's gray or sand color, and have
requested color chips from them. The bed of my truck is black, but
even Rhino Liner also comes in several other colors.
Jon Kolb
http://www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
From the Durabak web site:
Our "do it yourself" truck bed liner is easy to use! Just open the can and apply. Nothing else to mix in. This special user friendly formula can be applied by just about anyone! DurabakT also comes in a variety of colors such as: black, grey, green, red, blue, white, yellow and more. You can apply DurabakT then drive your protected vehicle the same day. And it's easy to maintain with soap and water.
You're right when you suggest that a light color would make the epoxy happier.
Roger
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Our "do it yourself" truck bed liner is easy to use! Just open the can and apply. Nothing else to mix in. This special user friendly formula can be applied by just about anyone! DurabakT also comes in a variety of colors such as: black, grey, green, red, blue, white, yellow and more. You can apply DurabakT then drive your protected vehicle the same day. And it's easy to maintain with soap and water.
You're right when you suggest that a light color would make the epoxy happier.
Roger
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Clyde Wisner" <clydewis@...>
> Late to mention, are most of these linings black? If so, do you want to
> sit in a black liner in the sun? I don't think epoxy does. Clyde
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Late to mention, are most of these linings black? If so, do you want to
sit in a black liner in the sun? I don't think epoxy does. Clyde
adventures_in_astrophotography wrote:
sit in a black liner in the sun? I don't think epoxy does. Clyde
adventures_in_astrophotography wrote:
> Thanks to all who responded to my query about Rhino lining my
> FastBrick interior. As additional background, recall that FastBrick
Thanks to all who responded to my query about Rhino lining my
FastBrick interior. As additional background, recall that FastBrick
is supposed to be the tender for our liveaboard, Auriga. One of the
jobs our tender has to perform, as spec'd in our requirements to
PB&F, is to carry as much as 500 lbs. of my astrophotography gear
ashore on those rare occasions when weather, location, lunar phase,
and ambient light pollution combine to make the hobby possible. Some
of the gear is awkward, heavy, and has protruding metal that can
damage things. Lining the interior with something really tough was
seen as a way to keep from punching through the doorskin/glass cloth
interior sheathing. So, she's really part cargo boat, part tender.
There were some questions and suggestions that deserve responses:
John, yes, I'll wash it well to remove any remaining blush. Of
course it's all been sanded, too, but washing is necessary in any
case to remove the sanding particulate residue.
Nels, the company claims it will stick to fiberglass and shows
boating applications on its website. The particular brand I asked
about is not sold for self-application, and it would defnitely cost
more than paint. The weight would be greater also, but FastBrick is
a heavy 12' boat to begin with. I had to clamp a 2x4 to her bottom
for use as a lever to flip her over for painting, so she's got to be
well over 200 lbs by now. By contrast, the 14' Michalak Robote under
construction next to her and of the same beam should finish out at
less than 70 lbs and be shoulder-portable for short distances!
FastBrick has a self-draining slop well for the fuel tanks, but the
cockpit is basically a big bathtub.
John and Don, thanks very much for the DuraBak information. I think
I'll give this stuff a try. Since it can be rolled on, I can try it
out on a sample first, as Joe suggested.
Joe, the only commercial fishermen around here are the ones you see
fly fishing in TV commercials, but thanks for the suggestion.
James, although it's true they apply it to previously painted truck
beds, I'm not sure if they do any prep (like an acid bath or
something) to the paint first. I think I'll try the DuraBak on a
test sample and see what happens.
Thanks again to everyone for their inputs. I'll try to get all the
recent photos up on my website this week so you can all see what's
been happening at the workshop lately.
Jon Kolb
http://www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
FastBrick interior. As additional background, recall that FastBrick
is supposed to be the tender for our liveaboard, Auriga. One of the
jobs our tender has to perform, as spec'd in our requirements to
PB&F, is to carry as much as 500 lbs. of my astrophotography gear
ashore on those rare occasions when weather, location, lunar phase,
and ambient light pollution combine to make the hobby possible. Some
of the gear is awkward, heavy, and has protruding metal that can
damage things. Lining the interior with something really tough was
seen as a way to keep from punching through the doorskin/glass cloth
interior sheathing. So, she's really part cargo boat, part tender.
There were some questions and suggestions that deserve responses:
John, yes, I'll wash it well to remove any remaining blush. Of
course it's all been sanded, too, but washing is necessary in any
case to remove the sanding particulate residue.
Nels, the company claims it will stick to fiberglass and shows
boating applications on its website. The particular brand I asked
about is not sold for self-application, and it would defnitely cost
more than paint. The weight would be greater also, but FastBrick is
a heavy 12' boat to begin with. I had to clamp a 2x4 to her bottom
for use as a lever to flip her over for painting, so she's got to be
well over 200 lbs by now. By contrast, the 14' Michalak Robote under
construction next to her and of the same beam should finish out at
less than 70 lbs and be shoulder-portable for short distances!
FastBrick has a self-draining slop well for the fuel tanks, but the
cockpit is basically a big bathtub.
John and Don, thanks very much for the DuraBak information. I think
I'll give this stuff a try. Since it can be rolled on, I can try it
out on a sample first, as Joe suggested.
Joe, the only commercial fishermen around here are the ones you see
fly fishing in TV commercials, but thanks for the suggestion.
James, although it's true they apply it to previously painted truck
beds, I'm not sure if they do any prep (like an acid bath or
something) to the paint first. I think I'll try the DuraBak on a
test sample and see what happens.
Thanks again to everyone for their inputs. I'll try to get all the
recent photos up on my website this week so you can all see what's
been happening at the workshop lately.
Jon Kolb
http://www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
Rhinoliner is applied to paint in a truck bed. If you're worried about it adhering to epoxy you could just paint it first.
James Greene
James Greene
On Sat, 7 Jan 2006 09:20:02 -0500, John B. Trussell wrote:
> Jon--I suspect that you are going where no one has gone before. I would
> guess that Rhinoliner has been used on fiberglass and perhaps aluminum
> boats. If you have epoxy coated the interior of your boat, it might be
> prudent to sand it lightly and wash it with a dishwashing detergent with
> lots of rinse water before application of the lining. My major concerns
> about this would be cost and the additional weight of the treatment, but I
> assume you have considered these.
>
> Note: anytime an answer contains words like suspect, guess, might be, and
> assume, it is a pretty sure bet that the person providing the answer
> doesn't
> know what he is talking about!
>
> John T
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> From: "adventures_in_astrophotography" <jon@...>
> To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 7:36 AM
> Subject: [bolger] Rhino Liner for FastBrick?
>
>
>> My FastBrick project is nearing completion, and she's getting her
>> outside primer this weekend. For the inside, I've been considering
>> having the sole and about 4" up the inner sides covered with Rhino
>> Liner, a sprayed-on polyurethane product that is used for pickup truck
>> bed liners, among other applications. The manufacturer advertises it
>> for boat interiors and decks, so I'm curious. I've had one of these
>> linings in my truck bed for over five years now, and it's absolutely
>> impervious to anything I've done to it. It should make a long-lasting
>> interior and also solve the non-skid problem better than sand in the
>> paint or other methods.
>>
>> The question is whether anybody thinks I'll have any sort of problem
>> with the material sticking to the epoxy/glass sheathing of my
>> interior. The guy at the local Rhino Liner shop here had, as expected,
>> no clue.
>>
>> Jon Kolb
>>http://www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
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Run a test. Give the shop a small sample panel to coat when he does
the next job. Then see what it takes to get through it. Report back.
Another idea is to ask cmmercial fishermen about it and what they use.
the next job. Then see what it takes to get through it. Report back.
Another idea is to ask cmmercial fishermen about it and what they use.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "donschultz8275" <donschultz@i...> wrote:
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "adventures_in_astrophotography"
> <jon@k...> wrote:
> >
> > My FastBrick project is nearing completion, and she's getting her
> > outside primer this weekend. For the inside, I've been
> considering
> > having the sole and about 4" up the inner sides covered with Rhino
> > Liner, a sprayed-on polyurethane product that is used for pickup
> truck
> > bed liners, among other applications.....
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "adventures_in_astrophotography"
<jon@k...> wrote:
This company sells the material in gallon buckets. They claim it
will bond to most anything and show marine applications along with
applications to wood. I know a fellow who has used a
similar "paint" on gun stocks with great success.
I'm considering trying it on the inside of my plywood box utility
trailer, but haven't made a purchase yet.
<jon@k...> wrote:
>considering
> My FastBrick project is nearing completion, and she's getting her
> outside primer this weekend. For the inside, I've been
> having the sole and about 4" up the inner sides covered with Rhinotruck
> Liner, a sprayed-on polyurethane product that is used for pickup
> bed liners, among other applications.....http://www.durabakcompany.com/google-durabak.htm
This company sells the material in gallon buckets. They claim it
will bond to most anything and show marine applications along with
applications to wood. I know a fellow who has used a
similar "paint" on gun stocks with great success.
I'm considering trying it on the inside of my plywood box utility
trailer, but haven't made a purchase yet.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "adventures_in_astrophotography" <> >
The question is whether anybody thinks I'll have any sort of problem
If you go to the website there is both an email address and 1-888
number to call for information.
I expect it is specially formulated for the expansion coeffecient
of, and to adhere to, metal. And to protect the bed from rusting.
Can you apply it yourself or do you have to take the boat into a
shop to get it done?
I would compare the cost and added weight to applying a good
protective anti-skid paint. Good paint would probably last a long
time unless you are planning to subject the boat to the same abuse
as your pick-up bed. Even then, I bet it would compare favorably.
If you feel it is worth it keep us posted. I know this question has
been raised on other boating forums as well, but don't know what the
final decision was. Also using it as a lining for water ballast
tanks I think?
Like John T. mentions - this is only speculation. But I really feel
that good quality plywood, encapsulated with epoxy and glass and
properly painted is a great combination by itself. Adding additional
protective coatings may be a belt and suspenders approach or if you
were planning commercial fishing or something where the boat would
be constantly wet inside.
Fastbrick has a self-draining cockpit right?
Nels
The question is whether anybody thinks I'll have any sort of problem
> with the material sticking to the epoxy/glass sheathing of myexpected,
> interior. The guy at the local Rhino Liner shop here had, as
> no clue.Hi Jon,
>
> Jon Kolb
If you go to the website there is both an email address and 1-888
number to call for information.
I expect it is specially formulated for the expansion coeffecient
of, and to adhere to, metal. And to protect the bed from rusting.
Can you apply it yourself or do you have to take the boat into a
shop to get it done?
I would compare the cost and added weight to applying a good
protective anti-skid paint. Good paint would probably last a long
time unless you are planning to subject the boat to the same abuse
as your pick-up bed. Even then, I bet it would compare favorably.
If you feel it is worth it keep us posted. I know this question has
been raised on other boating forums as well, but don't know what the
final decision was. Also using it as a lining for water ballast
tanks I think?
Like John T. mentions - this is only speculation. But I really feel
that good quality plywood, encapsulated with epoxy and glass and
properly painted is a great combination by itself. Adding additional
protective coatings may be a belt and suspenders approach or if you
were planning commercial fishing or something where the boat would
be constantly wet inside.
Fastbrick has a self-draining cockpit right?
Nels
About two years ago a couple of friends and I built three of Uncle Johns
Pirogues. We used luan plywood and epoxy encapsulated them. Two of the boats
were coated with Dura Bak, a self applied truck bed liner, they are tough as
nails. I would think Rhino Liner would be as tough or more. We took no
special care or preparation on our projects and had great success.
Frank
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Subject: [bolger] Rhino Liner for FastBrick?
My FastBrick project is nearing completion, and she's getting her
outside primer this weekend. For the inside, I've been considering
having the sole and about 4" up the inner sides covered with Rhino
Liner, a sprayed-on polyurethane product that is used for pickup truck
bed liners, among other applications. The manufacturer advertises it
for boat interiors and decks, so I'm curious. I've had one of these
linings in my truck bed for over five years now, and it's absolutely
impervious to anything I've done to it. It should make a long-lasting
interior and also solve the non-skid problem better than sand in the
paint or other methods.
The question is whether anybody thinks I'll have any sort of problem
with the material sticking to the epoxy/glass sheathing of my
interior. The guy at the local Rhino Liner shop here had, as expected,
no clue.
Jon Kolb
http://www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
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Pirogues. We used luan plywood and epoxy encapsulated them. Two of the boats
were coated with Dura Bak, a self applied truck bed liner, they are tough as
nails. I would think Rhino Liner would be as tough or more. We took no
special care or preparation on our projects and had great success.
Frank
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Subject: [bolger] Rhino Liner for FastBrick?
My FastBrick project is nearing completion, and she's getting her
outside primer this weekend. For the inside, I've been considering
having the sole and about 4" up the inner sides covered with Rhino
Liner, a sprayed-on polyurethane product that is used for pickup truck
bed liners, among other applications. The manufacturer advertises it
for boat interiors and decks, so I'm curious. I've had one of these
linings in my truck bed for over five years now, and it's absolutely
impervious to anything I've done to it. It should make a long-lasting
interior and also solve the non-skid problem better than sand in the
paint or other methods.
The question is whether anybody thinks I'll have any sort of problem
with the material sticking to the epoxy/glass sheathing of my
interior. The guy at the local Rhino Liner shop here had, as expected,
no clue.
Jon Kolb
http://www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
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Jon--I suspect that you are going where no one has gone before. I would
guess that Rhinoliner has been used on fiberglass and perhaps aluminum
boats. If you have epoxy coated the interior of your boat, it might be
prudent to sand it lightly and wash it with a dishwashing detergent with
lots of rinse water before application of the lining. My major concerns
about this would be cost and the additional weight of the treatment, but I
assume you have considered these.
Note: anytime an answer contains words like suspect, guess, might be, and
assume, it is a pretty sure bet that the person providing the answer doesn't
know what he is talking about!
John T
guess that Rhinoliner has been used on fiberglass and perhaps aluminum
boats. If you have epoxy coated the interior of your boat, it might be
prudent to sand it lightly and wash it with a dishwashing detergent with
lots of rinse water before application of the lining. My major concerns
about this would be cost and the additional weight of the treatment, but I
assume you have considered these.
Note: anytime an answer contains words like suspect, guess, might be, and
assume, it is a pretty sure bet that the person providing the answer doesn't
know what he is talking about!
John T
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To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 7:36 AM
Subject: [bolger] Rhino Liner for FastBrick?
> My FastBrick project is nearing completion, and she's getting her
> outside primer this weekend. For the inside, I've been considering
> having the sole and about 4" up the inner sides covered with Rhino
> Liner, a sprayed-on polyurethane product that is used for pickup truck
> bed liners, among other applications. The manufacturer advertises it
> for boat interiors and decks, so I'm curious. I've had one of these
> linings in my truck bed for over five years now, and it's absolutely
> impervious to anything I've done to it. It should make a long-lasting
> interior and also solve the non-skid problem better than sand in the
> paint or other methods.
>
> The question is whether anybody thinks I'll have any sort of problem
> with the material sticking to the epoxy/glass sheathing of my
> interior. The guy at the local Rhino Liner shop here had, as expected,
> no clue.
>
> Jon Kolb
>http://www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
>
>
>
>
>
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My FastBrick project is nearing completion, and she's getting her
outside primer this weekend. For the inside, I've been considering
having the sole and about 4" up the inner sides covered with Rhino
Liner, a sprayed-on polyurethane product that is used for pickup truck
bed liners, among other applications. The manufacturer advertises it
for boat interiors and decks, so I'm curious. I've had one of these
linings in my truck bed for over five years now, and it's absolutely
impervious to anything I've done to it. It should make a long-lasting
interior and also solve the non-skid problem better than sand in the
paint or other methods.
The question is whether anybody thinks I'll have any sort of problem
with the material sticking to the epoxy/glass sheathing of my
interior. The guy at the local Rhino Liner shop here had, as expected,
no clue.
Jon Kolb
http://www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
outside primer this weekend. For the inside, I've been considering
having the sole and about 4" up the inner sides covered with Rhino
Liner, a sprayed-on polyurethane product that is used for pickup truck
bed liners, among other applications. The manufacturer advertises it
for boat interiors and decks, so I'm curious. I've had one of these
linings in my truck bed for over five years now, and it's absolutely
impervious to anything I've done to it. It should make a long-lasting
interior and also solve the non-skid problem better than sand in the
paint or other methods.
The question is whether anybody thinks I'll have any sort of problem
with the material sticking to the epoxy/glass sheathing of my
interior. The guy at the local Rhino Liner shop here had, as expected,
no clue.
Jon Kolb
http://www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm