Re: Pindimar Micro in files of Bolger 6
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
and pirate of the plains!
Thanks for that pleasent trip down memory lane! I was struck to
the bone with vivid images of those exciting reckless days upon
viewing that"old" Duckworks article.Perplexed too by the dual
sensation of it all being so very long ago yet feeling like it was
only yesterday. Am I losing my mind or have I had too many egg-nogs?
And yet,as I play away during Windermeres' gestation, I can hardly
believe that it was I who did Lestat.Perhaps,once the intensive,almost
double-blind longitudinal study of egg-nog is completed, I'll begin
looking into ways and means of freezing time,in place,forever :-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,floating on a stream of nostalgia just deep enough to
drown in.................
> Just happened to be reading that article again:-)Greetings Black Nels,eater of turkey vulture eggs,terror of brothels
>
>http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/00/DM1999/articles/micro/index.htm
>
> Nels
and pirate of the plains!
Thanks for that pleasent trip down memory lane! I was struck to
the bone with vivid images of those exciting reckless days upon
viewing that"old" Duckworks article.Perplexed too by the dual
sensation of it all being so very long ago yet feeling like it was
only yesterday. Am I losing my mind or have I had too many egg-nogs?
And yet,as I play away during Windermeres' gestation, I can hardly
believe that it was I who did Lestat.Perhaps,once the intensive,almost
double-blind longitudinal study of egg-nog is completed, I'll begin
looking into ways and means of freezing time,in place,forever :-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,floating on a stream of nostalgia just deep enough to
drown in.................
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <kingw@b...> wrote:
sure that all our hearts go out to you having to make it through the
winter working in the Caribbean instead of playing with epoxy in the
cold:-)
Great that you got some information from Dan and incorporated it.
Your cockpit design will be ideal I would think. You might also want
to consider a long-shaft motor if you get the opportunity from what
I heard.
I was sure sorry when Andrew Pryers website disappeared as it was an
excellent source of information.
Other comments:
Peter Lenihan never installed any foam in Lestat. I intend to line
the cabin with foam and use it as insulation too. Also I would only
glass up to the top of the waterline like he did. (Also the deck)
Otherwise I would glass the topsides prior to installing them to the
bottom.
I have G2S crezon MDO which is 5/8" and was the best price
available when I got it. I don't think the added weight should be a
big factor. Dan added an extra 80 pounds of lead in a box under the
porta pottie slide-out as he sailed solo mostly and this made it
even more stable.
Peter built his rudder post and fittings from stainless steel and it
is very strong. As is the standard keel design although I plan to
try Peter's method. You have to add an inner keelson if you do that,
so it has to be decided right at the onset.
It certainly is quite an education to actually understand how the
Micro series are complete systems alright. Every part of the design
serves it's purpose and supports the other parts as well. For
example, the keel is a structural girder that supports the whole
boat and also protects the rudder which in turn protects the prop
from grounding. Yet the raised forefoot allows one to beach the boat
at most landings. The central part of the cabin is watertight and
never has to collect grunge or water and yet is well ventilated.
When the boat is standing level on a trailer, all the rainwater
naturally drains off immediately, even if there is no protective
cover over it. There is nowhere that water collect on the surface.
Like you, I am quite obessed with the design.
Perhaps you might consider a Duckworks article at some point so your
building experience can become part of the permanent archives there,
and available for everyone.
Nels
>hull
> Nels,
> I'm at the cold, slow, winter part of building my LM. Here's the
> quick outline of what's done:
> Hull, bulkheads, bottom, fin keel, and cabin are completed and
> is sheathed in fiberglass. About 80 percent of the boat ispainted.
> The cockpit is 90 percent done (I just need to paint and add my no-can
> slip-grit). I'm finishing up the drop boards (is that the correct
> term?).
>
> The big things to be completed are:
> pour lead and install in keel.
> make mast(s) and spars
> install front tabernacle and complete front well
> Finish painting
> Wire lights/electrics
> Steal an outboard and sails
> Install the wine cellar
> Add water
>
> At this point I have about 450 hours in building, and I suspect I
> be done in another 100. Oddly, life has a way of throwing thingslot
> into my well-laid plans. I've been travelling to the Caribbean a
> for my job, and it's rewarding and enriching, but it does keep mesummer.
> away from epoxy and paint. Hopefully I will launch early this
>sole,
> Deviations:
> 1. I made a self-bailing cockpit by installing a raised cockpit
> which fit across the entire cockpit. I emailed Dan Gonneau (sp?)and
> took his advice- I raised my cockpit sole up about 1.5 inchesabove
> where he installed his. I then built two cockpit lockers (withfor
> hinged lids) on top of the raised sole, so I have seats/lockers on
> port and starbd. I basically copied Andrew Pryer's (sp?) design
> this. The raised sole drains into the aft-most free-flooding well.show
> Beneath the cockpit sole is foam (for boyancy), and a small
> inspection port (which is inside the boat).
>
> 2. I don't have the "box" with the foam inside, which the plans
> at the aft-end of the cockpit.rudder
>
> 3. I welded my own rudder from plate steel (inc. welding the
> blade to the steel-tubing I used for the shaft), and coated itwith
> fiberglass and epoxy. We'll see how that holds up, but it's veryproblem
> rugged and avoids the "oh-crap-the-rudder-shaft-just-broke"
> I've read about.sheets
>
> 4. I used 1/2 inch ply for the sides, and I used 10 foot long
> (that was all the lumber yard had, so I got them). I had tomonkey
> w/ the fore-most panel a bit, but it worked well. I also used 1/2ply
> for the deck (over the cabin). I'm happy w/ both.to
>
> 5.I plan to enclose the rudder shaft in a tube, to keep water from
> coming up into the aft flooding well. I'll make two small bailers
> drain the aft well. And yes, I know...I'm trifiling w/ the plans.to
>
> 6. I built mine of a strong-back as well. Excellent idea. I also
> found it helpful to check my measurements in multiple dimensions,
> ensure that the boat wasn't twisted. Sadly, I started mine right-my
> side-up, and then I had to make bracing for it and roll it outside
> shop, in order to flip it and then install the bottom. Build itflipped
> upside down as the plans suggest.
>
> 7. I took someone's advice from the list (was it yours?) and
> the boat onto its side once the bottom was sheathed and painted.sole,
> This eased laying the cloth on each side, and it's also easier to
> work on the interior bits too (like the framing for the cockpit
> and the bunks, etc.). Currently she's right-side-up, and thatmakes
> for plenty of trips up and down my step ladder.and
>
> Besides that, the plans are ingenious. I've spent years building
> rebuilding this boat in my head. It's a great design and like sosystems.
> many people say, Phil Bolger's designs are well-engineered
> One should not trifle with modifying his plans. Unless it involvesa
> self-bailing cockpit sole...moment,
>
> I'm away from my camera (and my boat for that matter) at the
> but I'll post a couple recent pictures to my webspace when I can.nugget
>
> Finally, I find myself regularly prowling the internet for a
> or picture of a micro or LM. I'm a little obsessed. Pictureslike
> Greg's really keep me motivated, as does the banter on this groupand
> the many good ideas I have picked up from everyone. Except forthat
> argument about whether foam was ballast or boyancy.Thanks for the update Bill. Uff da! As the Norwegians say - I am
>
> Bill
>
sure that all our hearts go out to you having to make it through the
winter working in the Caribbean instead of playing with epoxy in the
cold:-)
Great that you got some information from Dan and incorporated it.
Your cockpit design will be ideal I would think. You might also want
to consider a long-shaft motor if you get the opportunity from what
I heard.
I was sure sorry when Andrew Pryers website disappeared as it was an
excellent source of information.
Other comments:
Peter Lenihan never installed any foam in Lestat. I intend to line
the cabin with foam and use it as insulation too. Also I would only
glass up to the top of the waterline like he did. (Also the deck)
Otherwise I would glass the topsides prior to installing them to the
bottom.
I have G2S crezon MDO which is 5/8" and was the best price
available when I got it. I don't think the added weight should be a
big factor. Dan added an extra 80 pounds of lead in a box under the
porta pottie slide-out as he sailed solo mostly and this made it
even more stable.
Peter built his rudder post and fittings from stainless steel and it
is very strong. As is the standard keel design although I plan to
try Peter's method. You have to add an inner keelson if you do that,
so it has to be decided right at the onset.
It certainly is quite an education to actually understand how the
Micro series are complete systems alright. Every part of the design
serves it's purpose and supports the other parts as well. For
example, the keel is a structural girder that supports the whole
boat and also protects the rudder which in turn protects the prop
from grounding. Yet the raised forefoot allows one to beach the boat
at most landings. The central part of the cabin is watertight and
never has to collect grunge or water and yet is well ventilated.
When the boat is standing level on a trailer, all the rainwater
naturally drains off immediately, even if there is no protective
cover over it. There is nowhere that water collect on the surface.
Like you, I am quite obessed with the design.
Perhaps you might consider a Duckworks article at some point so your
building experience can become part of the permanent archives there,
and available for everyone.
Nels
Nels,
I'm at the cold, slow, winter part of building my LM. Here's the
quick outline of what's done:
Hull, bulkheads, bottom, fin keel, and cabin are completed and hull
is sheathed in fiberglass. About 80 percent of the boat is painted.
The cockpit is 90 percent done (I just need to paint and add my no-
slip-grit). I'm finishing up the drop boards (is that the correct
term?).
The big things to be completed are:
pour lead and install in keel.
make mast(s) and spars
install front tabernacle and complete front well
Finish painting
Wire lights/electrics
Steal an outboard and sails
Install the wine cellar
Add water
At this point I have about 450 hours in building, and I suspect I can
be done in another 100. Oddly, life has a way of throwing things
into my well-laid plans. I've been travelling to the Caribbean a lot
for my job, and it's rewarding and enriching, but it does keep me
away from epoxy and paint. Hopefully I will launch early this summer.
Deviations:
1. I made a self-bailing cockpit by installing a raised cockpit sole,
which fit across the entire cockpit. I emailed Dan Gonneau (sp?) and
took his advice- I raised my cockpit sole up about 1.5 inches above
where he installed his. I then built two cockpit lockers (with
hinged lids) on top of the raised sole, so I have seats/lockers on
port and starbd. I basically copied Andrew Pryer's (sp?) design for
this. The raised sole drains into the aft-most free-flooding well.
Beneath the cockpit sole is foam (for boyancy), and a small
inspection port (which is inside the boat).
2. I don't have the "box" with the foam inside, which the plans show
at the aft-end of the cockpit.
3. I welded my own rudder from plate steel (inc. welding the rudder
blade to the steel-tubing I used for the shaft), and coated it with
fiberglass and epoxy. We'll see how that holds up, but it's very
rugged and avoids the "oh-crap-the-rudder-shaft-just-broke" problem
I've read about.
4. I used 1/2 inch ply for the sides, and I used 10 foot long sheets
(that was all the lumber yard had, so I got them). I had to monkey
w/ the fore-most panel a bit, but it worked well. I also used 1/2 ply
for the deck (over the cabin). I'm happy w/ both.
5.I plan to enclose the rudder shaft in a tube, to keep water from
coming up into the aft flooding well. I'll make two small bailers to
drain the aft well. And yes, I know...I'm trifiling w/ the plans.
6. I built mine of a strong-back as well. Excellent idea. I also
found it helpful to check my measurements in multiple dimensions, to
ensure that the boat wasn't twisted. Sadly, I started mine right-
side-up, and then I had to make bracing for it and roll it outside my
shop, in order to flip it and then install the bottom. Build it
upside down as the plans suggest.
7. I took someone's advice from the list (was it yours?) and flipped
the boat onto its side once the bottom was sheathed and painted.
This eased laying the cloth on each side, and it's also easier to
work on the interior bits too (like the framing for the cockpit sole,
and the bunks, etc.). Currently she's right-side-up, and that makes
for plenty of trips up and down my step ladder.
Besides that, the plans are ingenious. I've spent years building and
rebuilding this boat in my head. It's a great design and like so
many people say, Phil Bolger's designs are well-engineered systems.
One should not trifle with modifying his plans. Unless it involves a
self-bailing cockpit sole...
I'm away from my camera (and my boat for that matter) at the moment,
but I'll post a couple recent pictures to my webspace when I can.
Finally, I find myself regularly prowling the internet for a nugget
or picture of a micro or LM. I'm a little obsessed. Pictures like
Greg's really keep me motivated, as does the banter on this group and
the many good ideas I have picked up from everyone. Except for that
argument about whether foam was ballast or boyancy.
Bill
I'm at the cold, slow, winter part of building my LM. Here's the
quick outline of what's done:
Hull, bulkheads, bottom, fin keel, and cabin are completed and hull
is sheathed in fiberglass. About 80 percent of the boat is painted.
The cockpit is 90 percent done (I just need to paint and add my no-
slip-grit). I'm finishing up the drop boards (is that the correct
term?).
The big things to be completed are:
pour lead and install in keel.
make mast(s) and spars
install front tabernacle and complete front well
Finish painting
Wire lights/electrics
Steal an outboard and sails
Install the wine cellar
Add water
At this point I have about 450 hours in building, and I suspect I can
be done in another 100. Oddly, life has a way of throwing things
into my well-laid plans. I've been travelling to the Caribbean a lot
for my job, and it's rewarding and enriching, but it does keep me
away from epoxy and paint. Hopefully I will launch early this summer.
Deviations:
1. I made a self-bailing cockpit by installing a raised cockpit sole,
which fit across the entire cockpit. I emailed Dan Gonneau (sp?) and
took his advice- I raised my cockpit sole up about 1.5 inches above
where he installed his. I then built two cockpit lockers (with
hinged lids) on top of the raised sole, so I have seats/lockers on
port and starbd. I basically copied Andrew Pryer's (sp?) design for
this. The raised sole drains into the aft-most free-flooding well.
Beneath the cockpit sole is foam (for boyancy), and a small
inspection port (which is inside the boat).
2. I don't have the "box" with the foam inside, which the plans show
at the aft-end of the cockpit.
3. I welded my own rudder from plate steel (inc. welding the rudder
blade to the steel-tubing I used for the shaft), and coated it with
fiberglass and epoxy. We'll see how that holds up, but it's very
rugged and avoids the "oh-crap-the-rudder-shaft-just-broke" problem
I've read about.
4. I used 1/2 inch ply for the sides, and I used 10 foot long sheets
(that was all the lumber yard had, so I got them). I had to monkey
w/ the fore-most panel a bit, but it worked well. I also used 1/2 ply
for the deck (over the cabin). I'm happy w/ both.
5.I plan to enclose the rudder shaft in a tube, to keep water from
coming up into the aft flooding well. I'll make two small bailers to
drain the aft well. And yes, I know...I'm trifiling w/ the plans.
6. I built mine of a strong-back as well. Excellent idea. I also
found it helpful to check my measurements in multiple dimensions, to
ensure that the boat wasn't twisted. Sadly, I started mine right-
side-up, and then I had to make bracing for it and roll it outside my
shop, in order to flip it and then install the bottom. Build it
upside down as the plans suggest.
7. I took someone's advice from the list (was it yours?) and flipped
the boat onto its side once the bottom was sheathed and painted.
This eased laying the cloth on each side, and it's also easier to
work on the interior bits too (like the framing for the cockpit sole,
and the bunks, etc.). Currently she's right-side-up, and that makes
for plenty of trips up and down my step ladder.
Besides that, the plans are ingenious. I've spent years building and
rebuilding this boat in my head. It's a great design and like so
many people say, Phil Bolger's designs are well-engineered systems.
One should not trifle with modifying his plans. Unless it involves a
self-bailing cockpit sole...
I'm away from my camera (and my boat for that matter) at the moment,
but I'll post a couple recent pictures to my webspace when I can.
Finally, I find myself regularly prowling the internet for a nugget
or picture of a micro or LM. I'm a little obsessed. Pictures like
Greg's really keep me motivated, as does the banter on this group and
the many good ideas I have picked up from everyone. Except for that
argument about whether foam was ballast or boyancy.
Bill
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, William King <kingw@b...> wrote:
> >
> > Greg F,
> > Your micro looks wonderful. I enjoyed viewing your pictures all
> the more
> > because
> > it is cold here, and working on building my long micro has become
> a big
> > chore. Your
> > pictures are a source of inspiration.
> >
> Hi Bill,
>
> I would be interested at what stage in the building process you are
> at so far? And have you made any changes or modifications from the
> plans?
>
> I have enquired with PCB&F about commissioning an upgrade to a
> Navigator version. In particular the sailplan and getting a remote
> steering station in the pilothouse. The rest would follow pretty
> much what the latest Micro Navigator shows, including the forward
> companionway and the anti-slap bow. I plan to build on a strongback
> and also install the keel as Peter did on Lestat.
>
> Just happened to be reading that article again:-)
>
>http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/00/DM1999/articles/micro/index.htm
>
> Nels
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, William King <kingw@b...> wrote:
I would be interested at what stage in the building process you are
at so far? And have you made any changes or modifications from the
plans?
I have enquired with PCB&F about commissioning an upgrade to a
Navigator version. In particular the sailplan and getting a remote
steering station in the pilothouse. The rest would follow pretty
much what the latest Micro Navigator shows, including the forward
companionway and the anti-slap bow. I plan to build on a strongback
and also install the keel as Peter did on Lestat.
Just happened to be reading that article again:-)
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/00/DM1999/articles/micro/index.htm
Nels
>the more
> Greg F,
> Your micro looks wonderful. I enjoyed viewing your pictures all
> becausea big
> it is cold here, and working on building my long micro has become
> chore. YourHi Bill,
> pictures are a source of inspiration.
>
I would be interested at what stage in the building process you are
at so far? And have you made any changes or modifications from the
plans?
I have enquired with PCB&F about commissioning an upgrade to a
Navigator version. In particular the sailplan and getting a remote
steering station in the pilothouse. The rest would follow pretty
much what the latest Micro Navigator shows, including the forward
companionway and the anti-slap bow. I plan to build on a strongback
and also install the keel as Peter did on Lestat.
Just happened to be reading that article again:-)
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/00/DM1999/articles/micro/index.htm
Nels
Greg F,
Your micro looks wonderful. I enjoyed viewing your pictures all the more
because
it is cold here, and working on building my long micro has become a big
chore. Your
pictures are a source of inspiration.
Any chance we can see more pictures? I eagerly await trailering and
sailing pics.
Sincerely,
Bill, the Long Micro builder, in Ohio
Your micro looks wonderful. I enjoyed viewing your pictures all the more
because
it is cold here, and working on building my long micro has become a big
chore. Your
pictures are a source of inspiration.
Any chance we can see more pictures? I eagerly await trailering and
sailing pics.
Sincerely,
Bill, the Long Micro builder, in Ohio
>Message: 18
> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:47:57 -0000
> From: "pindimarmicro" <greg@...>
>Subject:
>
>...well...it's amazing what a bit of thought will produce! OK, I
>deleted the file with the one photo and created a file called Pindimar
>Micro in the photos section of Bolger 6, and that has just the three
>photos that I took the other day, and was able to email up here.
>
>Sorry about that
>
>The three photos are Matilda Jean on the beach out the front of our
>place (as before) Matilda Jean stuck in the old oyster leases when we
>got back on a very low tide, and the third one is Matilda Jean over at
>Nelson Bay anchored off the beach as a group of Japanese tourists
>paddle past on a kayak lesson/expedition.
>
>That's all that I have at present but will add some sailing and coming
>out on the beach on the trailer, when I can
>
>Greg F
>
>Greg F
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pindimarmicro" <greg@p...> wrote:
Beautiful area and I love beach shots of Micros reclining in the
sand and floating near shore despite the "deep" keel:-)
Looking forward to more please.
Nels, Vicariously imagining lounging back on deck and observing the
tide coming back in - Mai Tai in hand complete with umbrella stir
stick.
>Pindimar
> ...well...it's amazing what a bit of thought will produce! OK, I
> deleted the file with the one photo and created a file called
> Micro in the photos section of Bolger 6, and that has just thethree
> photos that I took the other day, and was able to email up here.our
>
> Sorry about that
>
> The three photos are Matilda Jean on the beach out the front of
> place (as before) Matilda Jean stuck in the old oyster leaseswhen we
> got back on a very low tide, and the third one is Matilda Jeanover at
> Nelson Bay anchored off the beach as a group of Japanese touristscoming
> paddle past on a kayak lesson/expedition.
>
> That's all that I have at present but will add some sailing and
> out on the beach on the trailer, when I canThanks Greg. What a sight for these tired old wintered out eyes!
>
> Greg F
Beautiful area and I love beach shots of Micros reclining in the
sand and floating near shore despite the "deep" keel:-)
Looking forward to more please.
Nels, Vicariously imagining lounging back on deck and observing the
tide coming back in - Mai Tai in hand complete with umbrella stir
stick.
...well...it's amazing what a bit of thought will produce! OK, I
deleted the file with the one photo and created a file called Pindimar
Micro in the photos section of Bolger 6, and that has just the three
photos that I took the other day, and was able to email up here.
Sorry about that
The three photos are Matilda Jean on the beach out the front of our
place (as before) Matilda Jean stuck in the old oyster leases when we
got back on a very low tide, and the third one is Matilda Jean over at
Nelson Bay anchored off the beach as a group of Japanese tourists
paddle past on a kayak lesson/expedition.
That's all that I have at present but will add some sailing and coming
out on the beach on the trailer, when I can
Greg F
Greg F
deleted the file with the one photo and created a file called Pindimar
Micro in the photos section of Bolger 6, and that has just the three
photos that I took the other day, and was able to email up here.
Sorry about that
The three photos are Matilda Jean on the beach out the front of our
place (as before) Matilda Jean stuck in the old oyster leases when we
got back on a very low tide, and the third one is Matilda Jean over at
Nelson Bay anchored off the beach as a group of Japanese tourists
paddle past on a kayak lesson/expedition.
That's all that I have at present but will add some sailing and coming
out on the beach on the trailer, when I can
Greg F
Greg F