Re: [bolger] Re: One-man unsinkable lifeboat?

PCB's Cartopper with the sprit rig comes close. With the addition of some
flotation (perhaps by raisung the fore deck to the sheer line and adding
flotion tanks to the aft quarters) she should qualify as unsinkable. From
all accounts, she rows and sails adequately. PCB has drawn a canvas shelter
and idicates there is space for one person to lie down.

If you are considering a Birdwatcher cabin boat, (and if it is permissable
to mention another designer on this group), you might check Jim Michalak's
designs at www.duckworks.com .

JohnT
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Subject: [bolger] Re: One-man unsinkable lifeboat?


> Hi James,
>
>> I wonder what people's thoughts and suggestions are for a boat with
> the following features:
>>
>> A one-man unsinkable lifeboat
>> Can be easily sailed and rowed
>> Can be enclosed to protect against bad weather
>> Looks like a boat, not a box (I hope!)
>> Lightweight and cheap to build
>> Rig fits inside when not in use
>> Oars fit inside when not in use
>> Can be a tender if necessary
>> Self-righting would be very nice
>
> 1) With the exception of self-righting and appearance, this sounds
> like a FastBrick. With an enclosure added on, it could be self-
> righting, but might not be "easily sailed."
>
> 2) Bolger's Oldshoe with a Birdwatcher house would also meet all your
> requirements, although it might be difficult to row.
>
> 3) A Swampscott dory like Oughtred's Stickleback with watertight
> compartments in the bow and stern might also work, but an enclosure
> might be a problem.
>
> 4) If I recall the design from BWAOM correctly, Supermouse might be
> closest of anything to meeting all of your requirements. except that
> I doubt it's "cheap to build."
>
> Note that from this list, you will almost certainly have to sacrifice
> one or more or your wishes to get the others. Design is always a
> compromise.
>
> Jon Kolb
>http://www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
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Cool boat! I think I see a home built design in that concept.
Michael Collins


Michael Matthews wrote:

> Basically, you want a home build able version of the following:
>http://www.portlandpudgy.com/
>
> I saw one of these at a boat show a year ago. I thought it was
> a pretty cool idea but, to be honest, it wasn't getting much
> attention (of course I live in the land of waterskiers).
>
> I'll be watching this thread to see what suggestions people
> come up with. It's time I started another boat....
>
> Michael
>
> James Greene wrote:
> > I wonder what people's thoughts and suggestions are for a boat with
> the following features:
> >
> > A one-man unsinkable lifeboat
> > Can be easily sailed and rowed
> > Can be enclosed to protect against bad weather
> > Looks like a boat, not a box (I hope!)
> > Lightweight and cheap to build
> > Rig fits inside when not in use
> > Oars fit inside when not in use
> > Can be a tender if necessary
> > Self-righting would be very nice
> >
> > I'm open to suggestions for a design I can start with that will
> achieve most or all of these goals. It doesn't have to be perfect, I
> am willing to modify it, but the closer it comes to satisfying all
> these requirements from the beginning, the better of course.
> >
> > At the moment I haven't a clue what kind of boat this might be, so
> I'm very open to suggestions ... :)
> >
> > James Greene
> >
> >
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Basically, you want a home build able version of the following:
http://www.portlandpudgy.com/

I saw one of these at a boat show a year ago. I thought it was
a pretty cool idea but, to be honest, it wasn't getting much
attention (of course I live in the land of waterskiers).

I'll be watching this thread to see what suggestions people
come up with. It's time I started another boat....

Michael

James Greene wrote:
> I wonder what people's thoughts and suggestions are for a boat with the following features:
>
> A one-man unsinkable lifeboat
> Can be easily sailed and rowed
> Can be enclosed to protect against bad weather
> Looks like a boat, not a box (I hope!)
> Lightweight and cheap to build
> Rig fits inside when not in use
> Oars fit inside when not in use
> Can be a tender if necessary
> Self-righting would be very nice
>
> I'm open to suggestions for a design I can start with that will achieve most or all of these goals. It doesn't have to be perfect, I am willing to modify it, but the closer it comes to satisfying all these requirements from the beginning, the better of course.
>
> At the moment I haven't a clue what kind of boat this might be, so I'm very open to suggestions ... :)
>
> James Greene
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
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Hi James,

> I wonder what people's thoughts and suggestions are for a boat with
the following features:
>
> A one-man unsinkable lifeboat
> Can be easily sailed and rowed
> Can be enclosed to protect against bad weather
> Looks like a boat, not a box (I hope!)
> Lightweight and cheap to build
> Rig fits inside when not in use
> Oars fit inside when not in use
> Can be a tender if necessary
> Self-righting would be very nice

1) With the exception of self-righting and appearance, this sounds
like a FastBrick. With an enclosure added on, it could be self-
righting, but might not be "easily sailed."

2) Bolger's Oldshoe with a Birdwatcher house would also meet all your
requirements, although it might be difficult to row.

3) A Swampscott dory like Oughtred's Stickleback with watertight
compartments in the bow and stern might also work, but an enclosure
might be a problem.

4) If I recall the design from BWAOM correctly, Supermouse might be
closest of anything to meeting all of your requirements. except that
I doubt it's "cheap to build."

Note that from this list, you will almost certainly have to sacrifice
one or more or your wishes to get the others. Design is always a
compromise.

Jon Kolb
http://www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, James Greene <jg6892@g...> wrote:
>
> I wonder what people's thoughts and suggestions are for a boat
with the following features:
>
> A one-man unsinkable lifeboat
> Can be easily sailed and rowed
> Can be enclosed to protect against bad weather
> Looks like a boat, not a box (I hope!)
> Lightweight and cheap to build
> Rig fits inside when not in use
> Oars fit inside when not in use
> Can be a tender if necessary
> Self-righting would be very nice
>
> I'm open to suggestions for a design I can start with that will
achieve most or all of these goals. It doesn't have to be perfect,
I am willing to modify it, but the closer it comes to satisfying all
these requirements from the beginning, the better of course.
>
> At the moment I haven't a clue what kind of boat this might be, so
I'm very open to suggestions ... :)
>
> James Greene

This fits all the requirements - if one considers the keel variation
Bolger suggests.

Could only serve as a tender on a larger boat obviously:-)

The forward and stern sections serve as crash protection for the
central "lifeboat" section, and could be downsized. But then one
loses the rowing capability and ability to store the sail rig aboard.

Might tow fairly easily - as well as most dorys perhaps?

Has an very innovative building sequence IMO.

http://209.193.28.16/Boats/StormPetrel/

Nels
I wonder what people's thoughts and suggestions are for a boat with the following features:

A one-man unsinkable lifeboat
Can be easily sailed and rowed
Can be enclosed to protect against bad weather
Looks like a boat, not a box (I hope!)
Lightweight and cheap to build
Rig fits inside when not in use
Oars fit inside when not in use
Can be a tender if necessary
Self-righting would be very nice

I'm open to suggestions for a design I can start with that will achieve most or all of these goals. It doesn't have to be perfect, I am willing to modify it, but the closer it comes to satisfying all these requirements from the beginning, the better of course.

At the moment I haven't a clue what kind of boat this might be, so I'm very open to suggestions ... :)

James Greene
Are oars OK, lots of people don't realize that boats designed for rowing
are very easy to row long distances.

June Bug would fill the bill I think for electric power or rowing. Plans
for sale

http://www.instantboats.com/

Don't forget the book also.

HJ



elmo14226 wrote:
> I recently discovered Bolger boats while web surfing. I am looking
> for a small boat design with the following characteristics:
>
> 1. Transport on the roof rack of my SUV
>
> 2. Power using an electric trolling motor
>
> 3. Carry 1 person up to 250 lbs.
>
> I race radio controlled sail boats and need a rescue boat. We
> currently us a Sears 12' fiberglass pram and the speed with the
> trolling motor is fine but it requires a trailer. There are no waves
> on the pond, but I need some stability when reaching over the side to
> pick up a sailboat (these can weight up to 30 lbs. and are bulky).
>
> I would appriciate any suggested Bolger design that might meet these
> requirements. I was initially trying to find a small inflatable but
> the are so expensive and I would rather build something myself.
>
> Thanks, Bert
>
>
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
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Jim Michalak's Toto.

Bryant

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Wesley Cox <inspirfe@d...> wrote:
>
> Queen Mab is *beautiful*. I don't have a specific design in mind, but
> another option might be a sit on top kayak or any kayak with a wide
beam
> and larger cock pit. It would be a very light, stable boat, easily
> propelled by a double paddle. Not the criteria of the original
request,
> just a thought.
>
> Bruce Hallman wrote:
>
> >Of course, if you are in the hobby of model boats, perhaps you would
> >want a 'pretty little boat', and Tortoise is not pretty to most eyes.
> >
> >Consider also a Queen Mab.
> >
> >http://mkstocks.tripod.com/boats/queen_mab/
> >http://www.umehus23.ac.se/035/cb/segling/grace.htm
> >http://www.strangepaintings.com/Launchingday.htm
> >
> >
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posts
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Queen Mab is *beautiful*. I don't have a specific design in mind, but
another option might be a sit on top kayak or any kayak with a wide beam
and larger cock pit. It would be a very light, stable boat, easily
propelled by a double paddle. Not the criteria of the original request,
just a thought.

Bruce Hallman wrote:

>Of course, if you are in the hobby of model boats, perhaps you would
>want a 'pretty little boat', and Tortoise is not pretty to most eyes.
>
>Consider also a Queen Mab.
>
>http://mkstocks.tripod.com/boats/queen_mab/
>http://www.umehus23.ac.se/035/cb/segling/grace.htm
>http://www.strangepaintings.com/Launchingday.htm
>
>
>Bolger rules!!!
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I used to tow a Bolger Nymph at 5-6kts on a frequent basis in some
pretty choppy stuff. This boat towed great! The only trouble I ever
had was remembering it was still behind us when we started the
outboard. We were reminded in short order when the painter would wrap
itself tightly around the propeller.


David Jost
Others have asked this question before but I don't
recall the answer. Does anyone have any experience
with how a Brick/Tortoise will tow at, say 6-7 kts
max? Would it be OK as-is, or with a shoe or skeg?

--- Bruce Hallman <bruce@...> wrote:

> There are a dozen Bolger boats that fit your bill.
>
> My recomendation would be a Bolger Tortoise, with
> oar/sail power.
>
> A quick cheap build, can be built light weight, it
> rows nicely, is
> heck-a-fun to sail and is just stable enough in
> which to stand up .
>
>http://www.kolbsadventures.com/tortoise.htm
>


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On Jan 24, 2006, at 1:05 PM, Bruce Hallman wrote:

> Tortoise plans here:
>
> Two sheet of 1/4" plywood, no fiberglass or epoxy required.
>
>http://www.instantboats.com/tortoise.htm

If you want something a little larger designed for power
I suggest Skimmer also fromhttp://www.instantboats.com
Skimmer is probably car top able.

Further I suggest buying Paysons book "Build The new Instant
Boats" which sells for 23.90 + 3.95 postage. The book
has the plans for both Tortoise, and Skimmer with chapters
on the construction of each. The book is cheaper than
the plans for either boat and has a wealth of good
information on building instant boats.

Since you are involved in R/C racing you might want something
a little racier for a rescue boat. If so check out Hot Tub at
http://members.aol.com/sredcon/4x8boat.htm
which is based on Skimmer. Probably NOT car top able,
but cute and fun.

hal
Of course, if you are in the hobby of model boats, perhaps you would
want a 'pretty little boat', and Tortoise is not pretty to most eyes.

Consider also a Queen Mab.

http://mkstocks.tripod.com/boats/queen_mab/
http://www.umehus23.ac.se/035/cb/segling/grace.htm
http://www.strangepaintings.com/Launchingday.htm
A guy in France built a Gav Atkin Mouse for a rescue boat for his RC
boats. Seems happy with it. Dead easy to cartop, launch, retrieve.
Weight about 35-40 lb. Build time - quick and dirty would be 12-20hrs
not counting painting. Rated for max of 250. Paddle or row only though
a few people have built the wider Fisherman's Mouse and rigged it for
a trolling motor (though I don't recommend it). Worth considering.

Bryant

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "elmo14226" <elmo14226@y...> wrote:
>
> I recently discovered Bolger boats while web surfing. I am looking
> for a small boat design with the following characteristics:
>
> 1. Transport on the roof rack of my SUV
>
> 2. Power using an electric trolling motor
>
> 3. Carry 1 person up to 250 lbs.
>
> I race radio controlled sail boats and need a rescue boat. We
> currently us a Sears 12' fiberglass pram and the speed with the
> trolling motor is fine but it requires a trailer. There are no waves
> on the pond, but I need some stability when reaching over the side to
> pick up a sailboat (these can weight up to 30 lbs. and are bulky).
>
> I would appriciate any suggested Bolger design that might meet these
> requirements. I was initially trying to find a small inflatable but
> the are so expensive and I would rather build something myself.
>
> Thanks, Bert
>
Tortoise plans here:

Two sheet of 1/4" plywood, no fiberglass or epoxy required.

http://www.instantboats.com/tortoise.htm
There are a dozen Bolger boats that fit your bill.

My recomendation would be a Bolger Tortoise, with oar/sail power.

A quick cheap build, can be built light weight, it rows nicely, is
heck-a-fun to sail and is just stable enough in which to stand up .

http://www.kolbsadventures.com/tortoise.htm
Bert,

You might also look at a Bolger "Cartopper". Or, outside of Bolger,
there are lots of options - look at Jim Michalak's designs... or,
how about a Puddle Duck Racer?

Cheers,
David Graybeal
Portland, OR.

"Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it" --
Andre Gide

****************

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "elmo14226" <elmo14226@y...> wrote:
>
> I recently discovered Bolger boats while web surfing. I am
looking
> for a small boat design with the following characteristics:
>
> 1. Transport on the roof rack of my SUV
>
> 2. Power using an electric trolling motor
>
> 3. Carry 1 person up to 250 lbs.
>
> I race radio controlled sail boats and need a rescue boat. We
> currently us a Sears 12' fiberglass pram and the speed with the
> trolling motor is fine but it requires a trailer. There are no
waves
> on the pond, but I need some stability when reaching over the side
to
> pick up a sailboat (these can weight up to 30 lbs. and are bulky).
>
> I would appriciate any suggested Bolger design that might meet
these
> requirements. I was initially trying to find a small inflatable
but
> the are so expensive and I would rather build something myself.
>
> Thanks, Bert
Big Tortoise or Elegant Punt. You could build BOTH of them in a single
weekend for $100 each. Don't discount using oars instead of a trolling
motor, either.

http://www.instantboats.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "elmo14226" <elmo14226@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 1:43 PM
Subject: [bolger] Looking for small dingy design


> I recently discovered Bolger boats while web surfing. I am looking
> for a small boat design with the following characteristics:
>
> 1. Transport on the roof rack of my SUV
>
> 2. Power using an electric trolling motor
>
> 3. Carry 1 person up to 250 lbs.
>
> I race radio controlled sail boats and need a rescue boat. We
> currently us a Sears 12' fiberglass pram and the speed with the
> trolling motor is fine but it requires a trailer. There are no waves
> on the pond, but I need some stability when reaching over the side to
> pick up a sailboat (these can weight up to 30 lbs. and are bulky).
>
> I would appriciate any suggested Bolger design that might meet these
> requirements. I was initially trying to find a small inflatable but
> the are so expensive and I would rather build something myself.
>
> Thanks, Bert
>
>
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging dead
horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax:
(978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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I recently discovered Bolger boats while web surfing. I am looking
for a small boat design with the following characteristics:

1. Transport on the roof rack of my SUV

2. Power using an electric trolling motor

3. Carry 1 person up to 250 lbs.

I race radio controlled sail boats and need a rescue boat. We
currently us a Sears 12' fiberglass pram and the speed with the
trolling motor is fine but it requires a trailer. There are no waves
on the pond, but I need some stability when reaching over the side to
pick up a sailboat (these can weight up to 30 lbs. and are bulky).

I would appriciate any suggested Bolger design that might meet these
requirements. I was initially trying to find a small inflatable but
the are so expensive and I would rather build something myself.

Thanks, Bert