Re: [bolger] Re: Boatbuilding and Stereotypes
...or, in the immortal words of Ben Johnson " I didn't take no stereo".
RonB.
RonB.
On 1-Feb-06, at 10:21 PM, John Kohnen wrote:
> For music in the shop the stereo type I used was an el-cheapo, garage
> sale
> ghetto blaster until it died. Now I've got a new el-cheapo ghetto
> blaster
> on the way that'll play CDs and even MP3s. :o) I figure it doesn't make
> sense to put a fancy stereo system in the shop with all the sawdust...
> Yes, Dr. Duhem. Yes, Dr. Quine.Aargh. That was email was supposed to be off-list. Sorry.
For music in the shop the stereo type I used was an el-cheapo, garage sale
ghetto blaster until it died. Now I've got a new el-cheapo ghetto blaster
on the way that'll play CDs and even MP3s. :o) I figure it doesn't make
sense to put a fancy stereo system in the shop with all the sawdust...
;o)
--
John <jkohnen@...>
I have never seen a situation so dismal that a policeman couldn't make it
worse. <Brendan Behan>
ghetto blaster until it died. Now I've got a new el-cheapo ghetto blaster
on the way that'll play CDs and even MP3s. :o) I figure it doesn't make
sense to put a fancy stereo system in the shop with all the sawdust...
;o)
--
John <jkohnen@...>
I have never seen a situation so dismal that a policeman couldn't make it
worse. <Brendan Behan>
> I have data convincingly disconfirming the Duhem-Quine hypothesis.Yesterday, NY Times, Science section. Subject: Hormone replacement
therapy. Data: HRT is not a good thing. Conclusion: "The data was for
old women; you have to start younger."
Yes, Dr. Duhem. Yes, Dr. Quine.
Thanks for the insight ... it is good of you to share you innermost feelings
with us epoxy besmirched reprobates. PS - don't let my wife know we've bonded
like this. :<)
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with us epoxy besmirched reprobates. PS - don't let my wife know we've bonded
like this. :<)
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> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 19:01:43 -0500This is true. It's the speculation about the cause that raised my ire,
> From: Patrick Crockett <pcrockett@...>
> Subject: Re: Boatbuilding and Stereotypes
>
> I'ma statistician by trade -- when I speak of differences between
> men's and women's levels of interest in boatbuilding, I am not at all
> suggesting that no women are interested in building, just that
> significantly more men are interested than women. Enough more to
> suggest that the difference is not due to chance, but rather has some
> cause.
not the underlying differing distributions of interest.
> A quick headcount of the builders represented at the Mid-AtlanticI can tell you specialize more in the statistical analysis than in
> Small Craft Festival a few years ago yielded (if memory serves) about
> a half dozen boats built by women and over 140 built by men. At a
> minimum, the stereotype still seems to hold for folks not attending
> boat-building schools.
sampling! Surely there is a way to ascertain the relative numbers,
somehow. I mean, one that doesn't cost a *lot* of money.
> The women you see at boatbuilding schools are notable for their rarity.Like a flower blooming in wintertime . . .
> ...and brilliance.
Chris Crandallcrandall@...(785) 864-4131
Department of Psychology University of Kansas Lawrence, KS 66045
I have data convincingly disconfirming the Duhem-Quine hypothesis.
The women go to school to lurn ask the questions men wont and only
join groups to see if there is anything new. Men in the school are
always thinking about the women and lurn nothing so they need to join
the group to find out what they missed in school. ROFLMAO
Jon
join groups to see if there is anything new. Men in the school are
always thinking about the women and lurn nothing so they need to join
the group to find out what they missed in school. ROFLMAO
Jon
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Kathy Kreamer" <kreamer@a...> wrote:
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> ...and brilliance.
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> Bill
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Behalf Of
> derbyrm
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> Subject: Re: [bolger] Boatbuilding and Stereotypes
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> AND
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> The women you see at boatbuilding schools are notable for their
rarity.
>
> Roger
...and brilliance.
Bill
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The women you see at boatbuilding schools are notable for their rarity.
Roger
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Bill
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The women you see at boatbuilding schools are notable for their rarity.
Roger
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Crockett" <pcrockett@...>
> I'ma statistician by trade -- when I speak of differences between
> men's and women's levels of interest in boatbuilding, I am not at all
> suggesting that no women are interested in building, just that
> significantly more men are interested than women. Enough more to suggest
> that the difference is not due to chance, but rather has some cause.
>
> A quick headcount of the builders represented at the Mid-Atlantic Small
> Craft Festival a few years ago yielded (if memory serves) about a half
> dozen boats built by women and over 140 built by men. At a minimum, the
> stereotype still seems to hold for folks not attending boat-building
> schools.
>
> Patrick
>
> Chris Crandall wrote:
>
>>I think that men and women like boatbuilding just fine.
>>
>>If you go someplace where the gender stereotypes aren't so strong, you
>>find more and more women in the biz--a short trip to the Center for Wooden
>>Boats in Seattle will force you to set aside sweet dreams about the fluffy
>>nature of women.
>>
>>A quick look at the ads for boatbuilding schools--serious folk, not tyros
>>like us--will find that women apply, finish, and succeed.
>>
>>Unless you're made of snips and snails, and puppy dog tails, it's time to
>>update the stereotype.
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The women you see at boatbuilding schools are notable for their rarity.
Roger
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The women you see at boatbuilding schools are notable for their rarity.
Roger
derbyrm@...
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Crockett" <pcrockett@...>
> I'ma statistician by trade -- when I speak of differences between
> men's and women's levels of interest in boatbuilding, I am not at all
> suggesting that no women are interested in building, just that
> significantly more men are interested than women. Enough more to suggest
> that the difference is not due to chance, but rather has some cause.
>
> A quick headcount of the builders represented at the Mid-Atlantic Small
> Craft Festival a few years ago yielded (if memory serves) about a half
> dozen boats built by women and over 140 built by men. At a minimum, the
> stereotype still seems to hold for folks not attending boat-building
> schools.
>
> Patrick
>
> Chris Crandall wrote:
>
>>I think that men and women like boatbuilding just fine.
>>
>>If you go someplace where the gender stereotypes aren't so strong, you
>>find more and more women in the biz--a short trip to the Center for Wooden
>>Boats in Seattle will force you to set aside sweet dreams about the fluffy
>>nature of women.
>>
>>A quick look at the ads for boatbuilding schools--serious folk, not tyros
>>like us--will find that women apply, finish, and succeed.
>>
>>Unless you're made of snips and snails, and puppy dog tails, it's time to
>>update the stereotype.
>>
>>
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>>
>>Bolger rules!!!
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>>horses
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I'ma statistician by trade -- when I speak of differences between
men's and women's levels of interest in boatbuilding, I am not at all
suggesting that no women are interested in building, just that
significantly more men are interested than women. Enough more to suggest
that the difference is not due to chance, but rather has some cause.
A quick headcount of the builders represented at the Mid-Atlantic Small
Craft Festival a few years ago yielded (if memory serves) about a half
dozen boats built by women and over 140 built by men. At a minimum, the
stereotype still seems to hold for folks not attending boat-building
schools.
Patrick
Chris Crandall wrote:
men's and women's levels of interest in boatbuilding, I am not at all
suggesting that no women are interested in building, just that
significantly more men are interested than women. Enough more to suggest
that the difference is not due to chance, but rather has some cause.
A quick headcount of the builders represented at the Mid-Atlantic Small
Craft Festival a few years ago yielded (if memory serves) about a half
dozen boats built by women and over 140 built by men. At a minimum, the
stereotype still seems to hold for folks not attending boat-building
schools.
Patrick
Chris Crandall wrote:
>I think that men and women like boatbuilding just fine.
>
>If you go someplace where the gender stereotypes aren't so strong, you
>find more and more women in the biz--a short trip to the Center for Wooden
>Boats in Seattle will force you to set aside sweet dreams about the fluffy
>nature of women.
>
>A quick look at the ads for boatbuilding schools--serious folk, not tyros
>like us--will find that women apply, finish, and succeed.
>
>Unless you're made of snips and snails, and puppy dog tails, it's time to
>update the stereotype.
>
>
>
>
>Bolger rules!!!
>- NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
>- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging dead horses
>- stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
>- Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
>- Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
>- Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>- Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
>Yahoo! Groups Links
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Perhaps the question should be more about why there are so few women
on boatbuilding groups?
Bryant
on boatbuilding groups?
Bryant
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Chris Crandall <crandall@k...> wrote:
>
> I think that men and women like boatbuilding just fine.
>
> If you go someplace where the gender stereotypes aren't so strong, you
> find more and more women in the biz--a short trip to the Center for
Wooden
> Boats in Seattle will force you to set aside sweet dreams about the
fluffy
> nature of women.
>
> A quick look at the ads for boatbuilding schools--serious folk, not
tyros
> like us--will find that women apply, finish, and succeed.
>
> Unless you're made of snips and snails, and puppy dog tails, it's
time to
> update the stereotype.
>
I think that men and women like boatbuilding just fine.
If you go someplace where the gender stereotypes aren't so strong, you
find more and more women in the biz--a short trip to the Center for Wooden
Boats in Seattle will force you to set aside sweet dreams about the fluffy
nature of women.
A quick look at the ads for boatbuilding schools--serious folk, not tyros
like us--will find that women apply, finish, and succeed.
Unless you're made of snips and snails, and puppy dog tails, it's time to
update the stereotype.
If you go someplace where the gender stereotypes aren't so strong, you
find more and more women in the biz--a short trip to the Center for Wooden
Boats in Seattle will force you to set aside sweet dreams about the fluffy
nature of women.
A quick look at the ads for boatbuilding schools--serious folk, not tyros
like us--will find that women apply, finish, and succeed.
Unless you're made of snips and snails, and puppy dog tails, it's time to
update the stereotype.