Re: Bolger Whaler Ketch - image
> Don,Peter, probably much like "Yo Ho Ho and a bottle of rum".
> With any kind of luck she should be in the water by mid-summer. I
> got a chuckle from your "yo hoing" notion! (Vis. "Yo! Hoe! How
> much?")
> Trashy humour from over exposure to my American cousins to the South
> of me <:-) Perhaps it doesn't work in the antipodes..........
>
> Hope all is well and that summer is treating you and OINK with fair
> winds and bright blue skyes galore!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Peter Lenihan, who can only dream of summer for the time being but
> is encouraged by the ever lenghtening days of light making their
> presence felt more and more along the shores of the bone cold
> St.Lawrence..........
>
I have a nice bottle of red stowed away, and when we see the first
picture of a wet bottomed Windermere (and builder), it's going to pop
it's top!
Cheers,
Don
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "dbaldnz" <oink@...> wrote:
With any kind of luck she should be in the water by mid-summer. I
got a chuckle from your "yo hoing" notion! (Vis. "Yo! Hoe! How
much?")
Trashy humour from over exposure to my American cousins to the South
of me <:-) Perhaps it doesn't work in the antipodes..........
Hope all is well and that summer is treating you and OINK with fair
winds and bright blue skyes galore!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan, who can only dream of summer for the time being but
is encouraged by the ever lenghtening days of light making their
presence felt more and more along the shores of the bone cold
St.Lawrence..........
>Don,
> Nice to hear from you Peter.
> Won't belong before the good ship Windermere is yo hoing acros the
> Great lakes,
> Cheers,
> Don
With any kind of luck she should be in the water by mid-summer. I
got a chuckle from your "yo hoing" notion! (Vis. "Yo! Hoe! How
much?")
Trashy humour from over exposure to my American cousins to the South
of me <:-) Perhaps it doesn't work in the antipodes..........
Hope all is well and that summer is treating you and OINK with fair
winds and bright blue skyes galore!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan, who can only dream of summer for the time being but
is encouraged by the ever lenghtening days of light making their
presence felt more and more along the shores of the bone cold
St.Lawrence..........
Nice to hear from you Peter.
Won't belong before the good ship Windermere is yo hoing acros the
Great lakes,
Cheers,
Don
Won't belong before the good ship Windermere is yo hoing acros the
Great lakes,
Cheers,
Don
> Hi Don,
>
> Just a quicky to say how much I've enjoyed looking over your web
> page! It had been a while since I last looked and boy do I ever regret
> not checking it more often/sooner! Absolutely fantastic photos of OINK
> sailing in what has got to be the bluest water I've ever seen on the
> net :-D
>
> Thanks for the eye candy treat !
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Peter Lenihan,snow bound,again,but loving the thought of green shores
> and blue waters ever more...........
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "dbaldnz" <oink@...> wrote:
Just a quicky to say how much I've enjoyed looking over your web
page! It had been a while since I last looked and boy do I ever regret
not checking it more often/sooner! Absolutely fantastic photos of OINK
sailing in what has got to be the bluest water I've ever seen on the
net :-D
Thanks for the eye candy treat !
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,snow bound,again,but loving the thought of green shores
and blue waters ever more...........
> Go to this link and click on 'other bolger boats'Hi Don,
>http://oink.kiwiwebhost.biz/
> DonB
Just a quicky to say how much I've enjoyed looking over your web
page! It had been a while since I last looked and boy do I ever regret
not checking it more often/sooner! Absolutely fantastic photos of OINK
sailing in what has got to be the bluest water I've ever seen on the
net :-D
Thanks for the eye candy treat !
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,snow bound,again,but loving the thought of green shores
and blue waters ever more...........
> All theory aside, how do you find the rig in practice? What conditions doI like the rig. The biggest single reason for the rig is to provide
> you find it most suitable for?
>
> Stuart Crawford.
a positive, safe, way to reef, and unreef the sail from the
safety of the cockpit. I also like that none of the lines are
under high tension.
The total number of lines isn't that hard to learn and use.
It does take close to an hour to set up after stepping the mast,
so using it on a trailer sailer involves work.
> JasonI'm eating my heart out Jason! Looking forward to your new report,
> PS: i got it down to taking 120 seconds to get the mast up and
> pinned, yard up, tack down and sheet set.
Don
If I were starting over, Jason's
sailing. Big for speed, and much easier to reef as soon as needed.
Combined with Jason's swing mast, a very sensible combo.
Hey! Sensible i'm not. Just returned from SE Asia after being away
for a while....heading up to WV to pick up my boat and trailer it to
Beaufort, NC for a week long cruise. I'll post a bunch of pics of
the ordeal for those who asked for more pics a week or so
ago.....sorry i was separated from camera/laptop & reliable
internet. I've found that big lug really managable. With some jiffy
reef tinkering i don't believe i'd even have to slide the hatch open
for anything....that said, i never close the hatch. My only beef
with the set up is either my rudder needs to be stretched 2' with a
bit more endplate and/or the tiller needs to be longer. I tend to
oversteer at speed and loose steerage way when ghosting. I'll test
it in some 1 to 20+ knot winds on this little trip and decide what
to do.
Jason
PS: i got it down to taking 120 seconds to get the mast up and
pinned, yard up, tack down and sheet set.
> overlarge balanced lug, or the chinese lug on the Birdwatcherfeatured in Duckworks magazine are better rigs for simple casual
sailing. Big for speed, and much easier to reef as soon as needed.
Combined with Jason's swing mast, a very sensible combo.
Hey! Sensible i'm not. Just returned from SE Asia after being away
for a while....heading up to WV to pick up my boat and trailer it to
Beaufort, NC for a week long cruise. I'll post a bunch of pics of
the ordeal for those who asked for more pics a week or so
ago.....sorry i was separated from camera/laptop & reliable
internet. I've found that big lug really managable. With some jiffy
reef tinkering i don't believe i'd even have to slide the hatch open
for anything....that said, i never close the hatch. My only beef
with the set up is either my rudder needs to be stretched 2' with a
bit more endplate and/or the tiller needs to be longer. I tend to
oversteer at speed and loose steerage way when ghosting. I'll test
it in some 1 to 20+ knot winds on this little trip and decide what
to do.
Jason
PS: i got it down to taking 120 seconds to get the mast up and
pinned, yard up, tack down and sheet set.
Women can be cruel and heartless at times!
Good luck with CJ, and looking forward to hearing of your cruises on
the lakes,
Don
Good luck with CJ, and looking forward to hearing of your cruises on
the lakes,
Don
>when I
> I am no longer in a position to work on it in the lounge, as I was
> built the hull. My other half just doesn't seem to understand what awell
> suited building space it is.dead horses
>
> Stuart Crawford.
>
> > From: Bruce Hallman <bruce@...>
> > Reply-To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 09:04:59 -0800
> > To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Chinese gaffer
> >
> >> cracked the bottom frame in the bulkhead,
> >
> > I certainly understand how 'real life' can delay things,
> > and how a setback like a cracked frame can be
> > discouraging.
> >
> > I bet that you will find that the time you can spend
> > agonizing over a problem like a cracked frame can
> > exceed the actual time it takes to cut it out and
> > fix it by a factor of ten. I am presumptuous to offer
> > advice but , I say, take a deep breath, get out the
> > Sawsall and some epoxy, and just go at it.
> >
> >
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The actual repair won't take that long once I start it, but at present the
hull is 130 kilometers from where I am living and the hull is in a 20 foot
container packed with other stuff unrelated to the boat. My plan when I move
is to set up somewhere that I can work on it.
I am no longer in a position to work on it in the lounge, as I was when I
built the hull. My other half just doesn't seem to understand what a well
suited building space it is.
Stuart Crawford.
hull is 130 kilometers from where I am living and the hull is in a 20 foot
container packed with other stuff unrelated to the boat. My plan when I move
is to set up somewhere that I can work on it.
I am no longer in a position to work on it in the lounge, as I was when I
built the hull. My other half just doesn't seem to understand what a well
suited building space it is.
Stuart Crawford.
> From: Bruce Hallman <bruce@...>
> Reply-To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 09:04:59 -0800
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Chinese gaffer
>
>> cracked the bottom frame in the bulkhead,
>
> I certainly understand how 'real life' can delay things,
> and how a setback like a cracked frame can be
> discouraging.
>
> I bet that you will find that the time you can spend
> agonizing over a problem like a cracked frame can
> exceed the actual time it takes to cut it out and
> fix it by a factor of ten. I am presumptuous to offer
> advice but , I say, take a deep breath, get out the
> Sawsall and some epoxy, and just go at it.
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax:
> (978) 282-1349
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> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> cracked the bottom frame in the bulkhead,I certainly understand how 'real life' can delay things,
and how a setback like a cracked frame can be
discouraging.
I bet that you will find that the time you can spend
agonizing over a problem like a cracked frame can
exceed the actual time it takes to cut it out and
fix it by a factor of ten. I am presumptuous to offer
advice but , I say, take a deep breath, get out the
Sawsall and some epoxy, and just go at it.
Hi Don,
Thank you for such a detailed response, it was most informative.
As to my Cynthia J. Nothing much has happened in about four years due to
various changes in personal circumstances, starting with moving from the
house I was building it in. After treating all of the Kaihikatea and red
beech framing with clear metalex, I moved it into an open shed for storage,
with the help of an experienced rigger. Unfortunately when lifting it of the
back of a truck with a front end loader it fell from the height of about
eight feet, onto a hard gravel yard and cracked the bottom frame in the
bulkhead, at entrance to cuddy. After a couple of years and another move I
put it into an insulated shipping container. Currently I am in the process
of relocating to Dunedin, hopefully in the next two or three months, where I
intend on repairing the damage and finishing building her.
Stuart Crawford.
Thank you for such a detailed response, it was most informative.
As to my Cynthia J. Nothing much has happened in about four years due to
various changes in personal circumstances, starting with moving from the
house I was building it in. After treating all of the Kaihikatea and red
beech framing with clear metalex, I moved it into an open shed for storage,
with the help of an experienced rigger. Unfortunately when lifting it of the
back of a truck with a front end loader it fell from the height of about
eight feet, onto a hard gravel yard and cracked the bottom frame in the
bulkhead, at entrance to cuddy. After a couple of years and another move I
put it into an insulated shipping container. Currently I am in the process
of relocating to Dunedin, hopefully in the next two or three months, where I
intend on repairing the damage and finishing building her.
Stuart Crawford.
> From: dbaldnz <oink@...>
> Reply-To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 02:50:06 +0000
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Chinese gaffer
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, stuart crawford <scrawford@...> wrote:
>>
>> DonB or anyone else who has experience using the Chinese gaff rig on
>> Navigator.
>>
>> All theory aside, how do you find the rig in practice? What
> conditions do
>> you find it most suitable for?
>>
>> Stuart Crawford.
>>
> Hi Stuart,
> How is your Cynthia J?
> The Navigator was designed by Bolger, so an Aussie Micro owner could
> convert his Micro into an ocean cruiser, hopping from port to port
> around Australia, which would require quite a seaworthy boat and rig.
> I don't know of any builder so far who has done more than daysailing
> or short cruises in sheltered waters. I have not been out in more than
> marginal reefing breezes. And the set of the sails on my website is a
> cringe. My excuse is, that it was the first sail, and rigging took an
> age, leaving little time to sail before the tide went out again.
> Sitting in mud for a day was not on my wishlist. But I do have some
> opinions.
> The rig was designed for reefing without the need to go outside, at
> sea. Really, it is normal jiffy reefing with the lines leading inside,
> with full length battens and jaws to help keep it all under control.
> Then mainsail sheetlets sheeted to the mizzen mast to sit the mainsail
> leech up for efficient windward sailing. And the rig is very competent
> for windward sailing, at least in light to moderate conditions.
> However it does have potential vulnerabilities in my opinion, in heavy
> adverse conditions. For example, turning from 'on the wind' to a broad
> reach or run, you have to remember to let go and reset the main leech
> sheetlets as well as the mainsheet. If you forgot to do so, and were
> hit by a strong gust,wild rolling and gear breakage would be a strong
> possibility. The jaws bolted to the mainsail luff could easily be
> broken, as could the battens.
> The rope in the rig is a nightmare until both masts and sails are
> erected and in place. What looks simple viewed on the sailplan is a
> cats cradle when the masts and sails are laid out on deck. It is so
> easy to get one wrong, around something else or hooked up as you lift
> the mast in place. Twice I have had to take the whole thing down again
> because of one small problem. Both masts and sails are interconnected
> with ropes, and EVERYTHING needs to be in place before anything can be
> erected. You need a Boeing 747 checklist!
> The ropes are also everywhere when you are not sailing. Once in place
> correctly however, everything looks after itself quite well when
> sailing and gybing, with the exception of extra watching and handling
> as said above. I did have one of the sheetlets hook around the aft
> corner of the cabin roof overhang, but luckily just while swinging on
> the mooring. If it happened in anger, perhaps the roof could be lifted!
> Bruce and Dereck will know better, but I would not like to trailer
> this boat, just for short sailing, because of the rig complexity. In
> fact I'm thinking I will try it without the connecting string.
> Basically, I think the rig is over complex for casual sailing, and
> possibly not that seamanlike for ocean work, as the owner of Alert
> found. The rig is great for someone who loves tinkering and playing
> about with setups and improvements. If I were starting over, Jason's
> overlarge balanced lug, or the chinese lug on the Birdwatcher featured
> in Duckworks magazine are better rigs for simple casual sailing. Big
> for speed, and much easier to reef as soon as needed. Combined with
> Jason's swing mast, a very sensible combo.
> I feel the Chinese Gaff rig is better in theory than in practice.
> Cheers,
> Don
>http://oink.kiwiwebhost.biz/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax:
> (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, stuart crawford <scrawford@...> wrote:
How is your Cynthia J?
The Navigator was designed by Bolger, so an Aussie Micro owner could
convert his Micro into an ocean cruiser, hopping from port to port
around Australia, which would require quite a seaworthy boat and rig.
I don't know of any builder so far who has done more than daysailing
or short cruises in sheltered waters. I have not been out in more than
marginal reefing breezes. And the set of the sails on my website is a
cringe. My excuse is, that it was the first sail, and rigging took an
age, leaving little time to sail before the tide went out again.
Sitting in mud for a day was not on my wishlist. But I do have some
opinions.
The rig was designed for reefing without the need to go outside, at
sea. Really, it is normal jiffy reefing with the lines leading inside,
with full length battens and jaws to help keep it all under control.
Then mainsail sheetlets sheeted to the mizzen mast to sit the mainsail
leech up for efficient windward sailing. And the rig is very competent
for windward sailing, at least in light to moderate conditions.
However it does have potential vulnerabilities in my opinion, in heavy
adverse conditions. For example, turning from 'on the wind' to a broad
reach or run, you have to remember to let go and reset the main leech
sheetlets as well as the mainsheet. If you forgot to do so, and were
hit by a strong gust,wild rolling and gear breakage would be a strong
possibility. The jaws bolted to the mainsail luff could easily be
broken, as could the battens.
The rope in the rig is a nightmare until both masts and sails are
erected and in place. What looks simple viewed on the sailplan is a
cats cradle when the masts and sails are laid out on deck. It is so
easy to get one wrong, around something else or hooked up as you lift
the mast in place. Twice I have had to take the whole thing down again
because of one small problem. Both masts and sails are interconnected
with ropes, and EVERYTHING needs to be in place before anything can be
erected. You need a Boeing 747 checklist!
The ropes are also everywhere when you are not sailing. Once in place
correctly however, everything looks after itself quite well when
sailing and gybing, with the exception of extra watching and handling
as said above. I did have one of the sheetlets hook around the aft
corner of the cabin roof overhang, but luckily just while swinging on
the mooring. If it happened in anger, perhaps the roof could be lifted!
Bruce and Dereck will know better, but I would not like to trailer
this boat, just for short sailing, because of the rig complexity. In
fact I'm thinking I will try it without the connecting string.
Basically, I think the rig is over complex for casual sailing, and
possibly not that seamanlike for ocean work, as the owner of Alert
found. The rig is great for someone who loves tinkering and playing
about with setups and improvements. If I were starting over, Jason's
overlarge balanced lug, or the chinese lug on the Birdwatcher featured
in Duckworks magazine are better rigs for simple casual sailing. Big
for speed, and much easier to reef as soon as needed. Combined with
Jason's swing mast, a very sensible combo.
I feel the Chinese Gaff rig is better in theory than in practice.
Cheers,
Don
http://oink.kiwiwebhost.biz/
>conditions do
> DonB or anyone else who has experience using the Chinese gaff rig on
> Navigator.
>
> All theory aside, how do you find the rig in practice? What
> you find it most suitable for?Hi Stuart,
>
> Stuart Crawford.
>
How is your Cynthia J?
The Navigator was designed by Bolger, so an Aussie Micro owner could
convert his Micro into an ocean cruiser, hopping from port to port
around Australia, which would require quite a seaworthy boat and rig.
I don't know of any builder so far who has done more than daysailing
or short cruises in sheltered waters. I have not been out in more than
marginal reefing breezes. And the set of the sails on my website is a
cringe. My excuse is, that it was the first sail, and rigging took an
age, leaving little time to sail before the tide went out again.
Sitting in mud for a day was not on my wishlist. But I do have some
opinions.
The rig was designed for reefing without the need to go outside, at
sea. Really, it is normal jiffy reefing with the lines leading inside,
with full length battens and jaws to help keep it all under control.
Then mainsail sheetlets sheeted to the mizzen mast to sit the mainsail
leech up for efficient windward sailing. And the rig is very competent
for windward sailing, at least in light to moderate conditions.
However it does have potential vulnerabilities in my opinion, in heavy
adverse conditions. For example, turning from 'on the wind' to a broad
reach or run, you have to remember to let go and reset the main leech
sheetlets as well as the mainsheet. If you forgot to do so, and were
hit by a strong gust,wild rolling and gear breakage would be a strong
possibility. The jaws bolted to the mainsail luff could easily be
broken, as could the battens.
The rope in the rig is a nightmare until both masts and sails are
erected and in place. What looks simple viewed on the sailplan is a
cats cradle when the masts and sails are laid out on deck. It is so
easy to get one wrong, around something else or hooked up as you lift
the mast in place. Twice I have had to take the whole thing down again
because of one small problem. Both masts and sails are interconnected
with ropes, and EVERYTHING needs to be in place before anything can be
erected. You need a Boeing 747 checklist!
The ropes are also everywhere when you are not sailing. Once in place
correctly however, everything looks after itself quite well when
sailing and gybing, with the exception of extra watching and handling
as said above. I did have one of the sheetlets hook around the aft
corner of the cabin roof overhang, but luckily just while swinging on
the mooring. If it happened in anger, perhaps the roof could be lifted!
Bruce and Dereck will know better, but I would not like to trailer
this boat, just for short sailing, because of the rig complexity. In
fact I'm thinking I will try it without the connecting string.
Basically, I think the rig is over complex for casual sailing, and
possibly not that seamanlike for ocean work, as the owner of Alert
found. The rig is great for someone who loves tinkering and playing
about with setups and improvements. If I were starting over, Jason's
overlarge balanced lug, or the chinese lug on the Birdwatcher featured
in Duckworks magazine are better rigs for simple casual sailing. Big
for speed, and much easier to reef as soon as needed. Combined with
Jason's swing mast, a very sensible combo.
I feel the Chinese Gaff rig is better in theory than in practice.
Cheers,
Don
http://oink.kiwiwebhost.biz/
DonB or anyone else who has experience using the Chinese gaff rig on
Navigator.
All theory aside, how do you find the rig in practice? What conditions do
you find it most suitable for?
Stuart Crawford.
Navigator.
All theory aside, how do you find the rig in practice? What conditions do
you find it most suitable for?
Stuart Crawford.
In 'Different Boats' Bolger described his 28'-9" Whaler Ketch as "as
close as to a work of art as I know how to produce".
I saw this one on a mooring in Auckland, New Zealand. It is the
center-board version, and while on a mooring, you can glimpse what
Bolger means.
Go to this link and click on 'other bolger boats'
http://oink.kiwiwebhost.biz/
DonB
close as to a work of art as I know how to produce".
I saw this one on a mooring in Auckland, New Zealand. It is the
center-board version, and while on a mooring, you can glimpse what
Bolger means.
Go to this link and click on 'other bolger boats'
http://oink.kiwiwebhost.biz/
DonB