Re: A modest proposal.
The Blondie looks like a great boat and may be the best choice for
the Bio Bio. Mark Angelo (for National Geographic) says there are
several dams since he last ran it in 1994 and what may be there now
are several large lakes. I hope to find a class II river with an
ocasional portage but an interesting lake would be ok too. The
Blondie looks like more than a three day weekend project. How long
did it take to build?
Sincerly,
Paddler Joe
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "John Bell" <smallboatdesigner@...>
wrote:
the Bio Bio. Mark Angelo (for National Geographic) says there are
several dams since he last ran it in 1994 and what may be there now
are several large lakes. I hope to find a class II river with an
ocasional portage but an interesting lake would be ok too. The
Blondie looks like more than a three day weekend project. How long
did it take to build?
Sincerly,
Paddler Joe
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "John Bell" <smallboatdesigner@...>
wrote:
>much of a
> Stability, yes. Blondie is purported to be very stiff for an 8'er.
>
> Whitewater craft need a lot of reserve buoyancy. It wouldn't take
> wave to swamp out a small, short boat like the nymphs or Blondie.Also,
> neither of these boats lend themselves to being knocked together ina couple
> of days. For Q&D, you want SIMPLE and that means straight cuts, fewor no
> bevels and standard sized lumber, all nail or screw fastened.class V
>
> I've run a bit of whitewater myself (former WW kayak instructor,
> paddler), and if he's talking about the Bio-Bio I'm thinking about,I don't
> see this as a very doable expedition. It's a serious harem scarumpiece of
> whitewater. Stuff like that can be run in open boats, but in veryWhitesell. (In
> specialized and outfitted designs. I'm thinking of my old
> fact, I think Nolan Whitesell's even run the Bio-Bio. If he can runan open
> boat down Niagara Gorge, he can pretty much run anything.)class II,
>
> Now if we're talking about moving water section, class I and mild
> then this might be doable in a hastily built rowing boat. For speedof build
> and maximum buoyancy, I'd think about knocking together a giantBrick-like
> boat. Say 12' long by 6' wide. Add some transverse floor timbers andsome pretty
> external stringers for strength and you could bump your way down
> good water. But for goodness sakes, make sure you put a lot offloatation in
> the boat. Swamping out and having the boat taco onto a midstreamrock would
> end the ride pretty darn quick.stability -
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nels" <arvent@...>
> To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 7:12 PM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: A modest proposal.
>
>
> | --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@> wrote:
> | > What would you think about the potential for Ruban's Nymph used
> | > drift boat style?
> | >
> | >http://www.instantboats.com/rnymph.htm
> | >
> | My goodness John - what I should have asked is your opinion on
> | how "Blondie" would make out in such a scenario!
> |
> |http://jmbell.home.mindspring.com/blondie.htm
> |
> | Looks to me like it might have a fair amount of secondary
> | what a person is looking for in whitewater.shift
> |
> | I like the idea of Ruben's fore and aft thwart so a person can
> | their weight when under way. And the tubes could be stuffed underthe
> | thwart.flogging dead
> |
> | Nels, who has to carefully study "Blondie's" plans.
> |
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I agree with the sentiment that we have fantastic water here in
Southern Oregon. Inside of 50 miles there are 50 bodies of water.
The project is too easy to do in my own backyard. I think the
adventure goes up as 1.34 times the square of the distance traveled.
The drift boat would be a good choice. What inspired me was a web
photo of the Bio Bio that looked like my Umpqua River in Oregon.
Southern Oregon. Inside of 50 miles there are 50 bodies of water.
The project is too easy to do in my own backyard. I think the
adventure goes up as 1.34 times the square of the distance traveled.
The drift boat would be a good choice. What inspired me was a web
photo of the Bio Bio that looked like my Umpqua River in Oregon.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Tribulato" <scsbmsjoe@...> wrote:
>
> Paddler Joe
>
> The boat of choice for Northwest rivers is the drift boat. Glen L
has
> three plans: 14, 16, and 18 feet. There are other plans from folks
who
> live there, Tracy O'Brien for one. Googling drift boat will get you
> more ideas. I recall there are also some smaller than 14 ft.
>
> Joe T
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jon & Wanda(Tink)" <windyjon@>
wrote:
> >
> > With all the great white water in Oregon that takes a few a year
why go
> > international. With this years water NW rivers should be a real
> > adventure.
> >
> > Jon
> >
>
Paddler Joe
The boat of choice for Northwest rivers is the drift boat. Glen L has
three plans: 14, 16, and 18 feet. There are other plans from folks who
live there, Tracy O'Brien for one. Googling drift boat will get you
more ideas. I recall there are also some smaller than 14 ft.
Joe T
The boat of choice for Northwest rivers is the drift boat. Glen L has
three plans: 14, 16, and 18 feet. There are other plans from folks who
live there, Tracy O'Brien for one. Googling drift boat will get you
more ideas. I recall there are also some smaller than 14 ft.
Joe T
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jon & Wanda(Tink)" <windyjon@...> wrote:
>
> With all the great white water in Oregon that takes a few a year why go
> international. With this years water NW rivers should be a real
> adventure.
>
> Jon
>
With all the great white water in Oregon that takes a few a year why go
international. With this years water NW rivers should be a real
adventure.
Jon
international. With this years water NW rivers should be a real
adventure.
Jon
Stability, yes. Blondie is purported to be very stiff for an 8'er.
Whitewater craft need a lot of reserve buoyancy. It wouldn't take much of a
wave to swamp out a small, short boat like the nymphs or Blondie. Also,
neither of these boats lend themselves to being knocked together in a couple
of days. For Q&D, you want SIMPLE and that means straight cuts, few or no
bevels and standard sized lumber, all nail or screw fastened.
I've run a bit of whitewater myself (former WW kayak instructor, class V
paddler), and if he's talking about the Bio-Bio I'm thinking about, I don't
see this as a very doable expedition. It's a serious harem scarum piece of
whitewater. Stuff like that can be run in open boats, but in very
specialized and outfitted designs. I'm thinking of my old Whitesell. (In
fact, I think Nolan Whitesell's even run the Bio-Bio. If he can run an open
boat down Niagara Gorge, he can pretty much run anything.)
Now if we're talking about moving water section, class I and mild class II,
then this might be doable in a hastily built rowing boat. For speed of build
and maximum buoyancy, I'd think about knocking together a giant Brick-like
boat. Say 12' long by 6' wide. Add some transverse floor timbers and
external stringers for strength and you could bump your way down some pretty
good water. But for goodness sakes, make sure you put a lot of floatation in
the boat. Swamping out and having the boat taco onto a midstream rock would
end the ride pretty darn quick.
Whitewater craft need a lot of reserve buoyancy. It wouldn't take much of a
wave to swamp out a small, short boat like the nymphs or Blondie. Also,
neither of these boats lend themselves to being knocked together in a couple
of days. For Q&D, you want SIMPLE and that means straight cuts, few or no
bevels and standard sized lumber, all nail or screw fastened.
I've run a bit of whitewater myself (former WW kayak instructor, class V
paddler), and if he's talking about the Bio-Bio I'm thinking about, I don't
see this as a very doable expedition. It's a serious harem scarum piece of
whitewater. Stuff like that can be run in open boats, but in very
specialized and outfitted designs. I'm thinking of my old Whitesell. (In
fact, I think Nolan Whitesell's even run the Bio-Bio. If he can run an open
boat down Niagara Gorge, he can pretty much run anything.)
Now if we're talking about moving water section, class I and mild class II,
then this might be doable in a hastily built rowing boat. For speed of build
and maximum buoyancy, I'd think about knocking together a giant Brick-like
boat. Say 12' long by 6' wide. Add some transverse floor timbers and
external stringers for strength and you could bump your way down some pretty
good water. But for goodness sakes, make sure you put a lot of floatation in
the boat. Swamping out and having the boat taco onto a midstream rock would
end the ride pretty darn quick.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nels" <arvent@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 7:12 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: A modest proposal.
| --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@...> wrote:
| > What would you think about the potential for Ruban's Nymph used
| > drift boat style?
| >
| >http://www.instantboats.com/rnymph.htm
| >
| My goodness John - what I should have asked is your opinion on
| how "Blondie" would make out in such a scenario!
|
|http://jmbell.home.mindspring.com/blondie.htm
|
| Looks to me like it might have a fair amount of secondary stability -
| what a person is looking for in whitewater.
|
| I like the idea of Ruben's fore and aft thwart so a person can shift
| their weight when under way. And the tubes could be stuffed under the
| thwart.
|
| Nels, who has to carefully study "Blondie's" plans.
|
|
|
|
|
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@...> wrote:
how "Blondie" would make out in such a scenario!
http://jmbell.home.mindspring.com/blondie.htm
Looks to me like it might have a fair amount of secondary stability -
what a person is looking for in whitewater.
I like the idea of Ruben's fore and aft thwart so a person can shift
their weight when under way. And the tubes could be stuffed under the
thwart.
Nels, who has to carefully study "Blondie's" plans.
> What would you think about the potential for Ruban's Nymph usedMy goodness John - what I should have asked is your opinion on
> drift boat style?
>
>http://www.instantboats.com/rnymph.htm
>
how "Blondie" would make out in such a scenario!
http://jmbell.home.mindspring.com/blondie.htm
Looks to me like it might have a fair amount of secondary stability -
what a person is looking for in whitewater.
I like the idea of Ruben's fore and aft thwart so a person can shift
their weight when under way. And the tubes could be stuffed under the
thwart.
Nels, who has to carefully study "Blondie's" plans.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "John Bell" <smallboatdesigner@...>
wrote:
I believe portions are right off the scale when it comes to grading
the rapids.
What would you think about the potential for Ruban's Nymph used
drift boat style?
http://www.instantboats.com/rnymph.htm
That is facing forward and using oars for control and a couple inner
tubes lashed in. I'm thinking the Adams River in central B.C. where
they do some whitewater rafting and is famous for it's salmon runs.
http://www.adamsriverrafting.com/
I would certainly stay away from the rafting runs lower down and
also there is road access along the upper sections.
Nels
wrote:
>very serious
> What part of the Bio-Bio? There are sections of that river with
> whitewater.Hi John,
>
I believe portions are right off the scale when it comes to grading
the rapids.
What would you think about the potential for Ruban's Nymph used
drift boat style?
http://www.instantboats.com/rnymph.htm
That is facing forward and using oars for control and a couple inner
tubes lashed in. I'm thinking the Adams River in central B.C. where
they do some whitewater rafting and is famous for it's salmon runs.
http://www.adamsriverrafting.com/
I would certainly stay away from the rafting runs lower down and
also there is road access along the upper sections.
Nels
What part of the Bio-Bio? There are sections of that river with very serious
whitewater.
That being said, my Blackberry dories (see my website, link in my sig.) have
found favor as mini drift-boats for fishing on mild whitewater. They would
require a bunch of bevels to be cut, that by hand might pose a problem,
though.
FWIW, traveling to a foreign country with a satchel full of tools may
present difficulties with the local immigrations officials. They are happy
to have tourists. They aren't usually as happy to have someone arrive who
might appear as to be looking for work. (Try taking a hammer into Canada,
for instance! LOL)
John Bell
Kennesaw, GA
http://jmbell.home.mindspring.com
whitewater.
That being said, my Blackberry dories (see my website, link in my sig.) have
found favor as mini drift-boats for fishing on mild whitewater. They would
require a bunch of bevels to be cut, that by hand might pose a problem,
though.
FWIW, traveling to a foreign country with a satchel full of tools may
present difficulties with the local immigrations officials. They are happy
to have tourists. They aren't usually as happy to have someone arrive who
might appear as to be looking for work. (Try taking a hammer into Canada,
for instance! LOL)
John Bell
Kennesaw, GA
http://jmbell.home.mindspring.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "electricdrjoe" <electrichospital@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 1:12 PM
Subject: [bolger] A modest proposal.
> Greg Carlson suggested I conatct this group for advice. I sent him
> the following email.
>
> I have taught canoeing for 20 years. I love adventure and have an
> idea for an adventure challenge and need some advice. I have built
> and designed a few boats (4) in my 54 years but am intrigued by
> the "six hour canoe", "weekend skiff" etc. It would be a grand
> adventure and test of creativity for a grey haired man to fly into a
> foreign country (eg. Chile) with a bag of hand tools. Build a canoe
> or skiff take a 30 mile float trip (Bio-Bio River) leave the boat
> and fly home in 10 days. I have queried an international canoeing
> magazine and they are interested in this as a featured story.
>
> What boat would you suggest? I have not established the materail
> available yet so need some flexability between 4mm to 12mm plywood.
> I am also interested in any new tests on adhesives. I am thinking
> April 2006 for the adventure. The idea is still in the formative
> stage and I would love your input.
>
> Sincerly,
>
> Joe Neill
> Paddler Joe
> 988 S. Broadway
> Coos Bay Or 97420
> 1-541-267-2241
>electrichospital@...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Electric Hospital"
<electrichospital@...> wrote:
What is the PL glue? I also noticed many of the pirogues have the
chine on the outside of the hull. How does this change the
performance when carving into a white water eddy turn. It looks
like it could cause the hull to trip.
Those are not my boats, but websites with examples of the CSD
Pirogue.
You are correct that they would not work well in rapids of maybe
more than class two. Sorry I have no suggestions for a quick-build
boat capable of running large rapids safely.
I expect some type of downriver dory might be a choice? But I am not
familar with plans for building them.
PL glues are often used for quick building projects and used
together with ring nails result in a very strong yet flexible joint.
http://www.simplicityboats.com/pl_premium.htm
Good luck in your project.
Nels
<electrichospital@...> wrote:
>spent lots of pleasurable hours building them. They look great.
> Dear Nels: I loved the pictures of your many boats. I can tell you
What is the PL glue? I also noticed many of the pirogues have the
chine on the outside of the hull. How does this change the
performance when carving into a white water eddy turn. It looks
like it could cause the hull to trip.
>Hi Joe,
> Sincerly,
>
> Paddler Joe
Those are not my boats, but websites with examples of the CSD
Pirogue.
You are correct that they would not work well in rapids of maybe
more than class two. Sorry I have no suggestions for a quick-build
boat capable of running large rapids safely.
I expect some type of downriver dory might be a choice? But I am not
familar with plans for building them.
PL glues are often used for quick building projects and used
together with ring nails result in a very strong yet flexible joint.
http://www.simplicityboats.com/pl_premium.htm
Good luck in your project.
Nels
Dear Nels: I loved the pictures of your many boats. I can tell you spent lots of pleasurable hours building them. They look great. What is the PL glue? I also noticed many of the pirogues have the chine on the outside of the hull. How does this change the performance when carving into a white water eddy turn. It looks like it could cause the hull to trip.
Sincerly,
Paddler Joe
Sincerly,
Paddler Joe
----- Original Message -----
From: Nels
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 10:45 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: A modest proposal.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "electricdrjoe" <electrichospital@...>
wrote:
>
> Greg Carlson suggested I conatct this group for advice. I sent him
> the following email.
>
http://www.floatingbear.ca/CSDPirogue.htm
or the stretched version:
http://www.belljar.net/boat.htm
This boat would take a bit longer to build perhaps, but would be
faster to travel with as it can be used with a single or double
paddle, or has outriggers for 9' foot oars and also is capable of
sailing and motoring.
It could be built with PL glue a few screws and bolts and ring nails
and a coat of paint. Take your tools in two white 5 gallon poly pails
and use the lids for the hatchs - or a couple of cut down tupperware
bowls would work too. Polytarp or tyvek for the sail. A length of
bungee cord to make a spray skirt and some good quality duct tape to
make all the the seams with. A grommeting kit optional. Some length of
line including one that is easy on the hands for the mainsheet.
Goretex bivy sack. Well you know about that kind of stuff:-)
Nels
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or the stretched version:
http://www.belljar.net/boat.htm
This boat would take a bit longer to build perhaps, but would be
faster to travel with as it can be used with a single or double
paddle, or has outriggers for 9' foot oars and also is capable of
sailing and motoring.
It could be built with PL glue a few screws and bolts and ring nails
and a coat of paint. Take your tools in two white 5 gallon poly pails
and use the lids for the hatchs - or a couple of cut down tupperware
bowls would work too. Polytarp or tyvek for the sail. A length of
bungee cord to make a spray skirt and some good quality duct tape to
make all the the seams with. A grommeting kit optional. Some length of
line including one that is easy on the hands for the mainsheet.
Goretex bivy sack. Well you know about that kind of stuff:-)
Nels
wrote:
>http://www.floatingbear.ca/CSDPirogue.htm
> Greg Carlson suggested I conatct this group for advice. I sent him
> the following email.
>
or the stretched version:
http://www.belljar.net/boat.htm
This boat would take a bit longer to build perhaps, but would be
faster to travel with as it can be used with a single or double
paddle, or has outriggers for 9' foot oars and also is capable of
sailing and motoring.
It could be built with PL glue a few screws and bolts and ring nails
and a coat of paint. Take your tools in two white 5 gallon poly pails
and use the lids for the hatchs - or a couple of cut down tupperware
bowls would work too. Polytarp or tyvek for the sail. A length of
bungee cord to make a spray skirt and some good quality duct tape to
make all the the seams with. A grommeting kit optional. Some length of
line including one that is easy on the hands for the mainsheet.
Goretex bivy sack. Well you know about that kind of stuff:-)
Nels
Greg Carlson suggested I conatct this group for advice. I sent him
the following email.
I have taught canoeing for 20 years. I love adventure and have an
idea for an adventure challenge and need some advice. I have built
and designed a few boats (4) in my 54 years but am intrigued by
the "six hour canoe", "weekend skiff" etc. It would be a grand
adventure and test of creativity for a grey haired man to fly into a
foreign country (eg. Chile) with a bag of hand tools. Build a canoe
or skiff take a 30 mile float trip (Bio-Bio River) leave the boat
and fly home in 10 days. I have queried an international canoeing
magazine and they are interested in this as a featured story.
What boat would you suggest? I have not established the materail
available yet so need some flexability between 4mm to 12mm plywood.
I am also interested in any new tests on adhesives. I am thinking
April 2006 for the adventure. The idea is still in the formative
stage and I would love your input.
Sincerly,
Joe Neill
Paddler Joe
988 S. Broadway
Coos Bay Or 97420
1-541-267-2241
electrichospital@...
the following email.
I have taught canoeing for 20 years. I love adventure and have an
idea for an adventure challenge and need some advice. I have built
and designed a few boats (4) in my 54 years but am intrigued by
the "six hour canoe", "weekend skiff" etc. It would be a grand
adventure and test of creativity for a grey haired man to fly into a
foreign country (eg. Chile) with a bag of hand tools. Build a canoe
or skiff take a 30 mile float trip (Bio-Bio River) leave the boat
and fly home in 10 days. I have queried an international canoeing
magazine and they are interested in this as a featured story.
What boat would you suggest? I have not established the materail
available yet so need some flexability between 4mm to 12mm plywood.
I am also interested in any new tests on adhesives. I am thinking
April 2006 for the adventure. The idea is still in the formative
stage and I would love your input.
Sincerly,
Joe Neill
Paddler Joe
988 S. Broadway
Coos Bay Or 97420
1-541-267-2241
electrichospital@...