Re: [bolger] Re: Bolger steel sharpie "Lions Paw"/PB chinese junk designs?
Good catch Bruce, I had forgotten about Freeship, haven't had the time
to mess with it yet.
HJ
Bruce Hallman wrote:
to mess with it yet.
HJ
Bruce Hallman wrote:
> On 3/8/06, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
>
>> Carlson's hulls is better than plyboats and free.
>>
>> HJ
>>
>
> This a matter of taste, of course, but personally I have switched from
> hulls.exe to Freeship, as I find it to be easier and more versitile.
>
On 3/8/06, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
hulls.exe to Freeship, as I find it to be easier and more versitile.
> Carlson's hulls is better than plyboats and free.This a matter of taste, of course, but personally I have switched from
>
> HJ
hulls.exe to Freeship, as I find it to be easier and more versitile.
Carlson's hulls is better than plyboats and free.
HJ
goadarama wrote:
HJ
goadarama wrote:
> Thanks for the questions.... TColvin has a suite of fishing junks in
> steel from 40' on up that are a cross of the sharpie and dory in
> nature with the wider junk stern gallery. Centerboard. I've not
> bought study plans but this is about what I have in mind. TC is
> quite expensive in plans compared to PCB. PB is in many ways a
> proletariat designer, bless his designer soul. I was kinda hoping
> he'd played with the classic junk designs and put them through his
> instant boat process. In the end I may have to resort to my old
> standby of crafting "shorey" models from cereal box cardboard....
> they come out amazingly well in sizes about 7" long and closely
> approximate the finished hull (I made a 38' shorey instant boat
> style from such a model). That and the PLYBOATS program will
> probably be my just due. In regards to price that shorey came in for
> about 10 grand. Some $69K beauty just isn't in my cards.
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pvanderwaart" <pvanderwaart@...>
> wrote:
>
WyloII is proven and pretty.... it's hard to beat a flat bottomed
boat for speed of construction. Personally at 51 I don't want to
waste a lot of time building a hard chined keel boat and would
rather be out there. Solution 48 is a tempting design. Both it and
the WMartyr have that wonderful 1/2" bulletproof steel bottom. Our
current liveaboard, a Pearson 33, has the unnerving characteristic
of a flooding keel if you run into something hard: one has to either
go up on the hard for MONTHS to dry it out or live with a slow leak
into the bilge. To me that takes it out of the true bluewater
cruiser class, even as it's a fine fine sailer. There are too many
shipping containers floating around inches below the surface now to
play around with all that. We have a little 16' centerboard sloop
that is a PURE DELIGHT to sail and after having a full keeled boat
we now see the wisdom in a shoal draft cruiser... at least for what
we want to do. I also don't relish diving on a fouled prop and would
much rather raise the outboard to do the same job. In short both
Solution 48 and the WMartyr look promising. Thanks for the feedback!!
boat for speed of construction. Personally at 51 I don't want to
waste a lot of time building a hard chined keel boat and would
rather be out there. Solution 48 is a tempting design. Both it and
the WMartyr have that wonderful 1/2" bulletproof steel bottom. Our
current liveaboard, a Pearson 33, has the unnerving characteristic
of a flooding keel if you run into something hard: one has to either
go up on the hard for MONTHS to dry it out or live with a slow leak
into the bilge. To me that takes it out of the true bluewater
cruiser class, even as it's a fine fine sailer. There are too many
shipping containers floating around inches below the surface now to
play around with all that. We have a little 16' centerboard sloop
that is a PURE DELIGHT to sail and after having a full keeled boat
we now see the wisdom in a shoal draft cruiser... at least for what
we want to do. I also don't relish diving on a fouled prop and would
much rather raise the outboard to do the same job. In short both
Solution 48 and the WMartyr look promising. Thanks for the feedback!!
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, ANDREW AIREY <andyairey@...> wrote:
>
> The classic design has to be Wylo II (not Bolger
> unfortunately) 3' draft with a junk rig option and a
> world cruiser in its standard gaff rig form.I've got a
> junk rig cartoon that PCB sent to me after I wrote to
> him about a year ago asking about the Weston Martyr
> design - that was about 35' but in wood - I've written
> to him again about Weston Martyr recently and am
> waiting for a reply about some mods to make it more
> liveaboard friendly.Have any ever been built?.To save
> anyone looking it up it was designed to be capable of
> doing the English narrow canals but also capable of
> short sea passages so that you could do the
> continental ones as well.Draft was 18",which was
> fine,but the length,at 45',while ideal as a 'go
> anywhere'canal cruiser,might,I thought,incur cost
> penalties because a lot of these are based on length
> Cheers
> Andy Airey
>
> --- pvanderwaart <pvanderwaart@...> wrote:
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> > Also: any other large crusing
> > flat bottomed or shoal draft STEEL designs PB has
> done?
>
> I have a bunch of questions and suggestions.
>
> 1) How shoal is shoal?
> 2) If it will suit, you would have a hard time beating
> the Tom Colvin
> Gazelle design. They are often offered for sale, in
> steel, with junk
> rig for sums less than any new PCB constuction. For
> example, there is
> one in Norfolk now listed at $69,999. Draft is given
> as 3'10", so
> maybe you need an even shallower boat.
> 3) How big a boat do you want? If you have been living
> on a Pearson
> 33, then you must have divested yourself of most of
> your worldy
> posessions. That's a smallish size for steel,
> especially in a shoal
> draft boat.
> 4) Lion's Paw doesn't seem a likely candidate to me,
> since it has only
> about 5' headroom.
> 5) Your list of PCB designs should include the
> Solution 48. If you are
> not aware of it, it's a bit like a 48', steel Teal,
> though the bottom
> is a shallow Vee, not flat. Centerboard, ketch.
> 6) I would think the preference for steel construction
> would cut down
> your options a lot.
> 7) There are a lot of steel desigs in the 30-35' range
> at
> www.tantonyachts.com.
> 8) Are you going to sail a lot, or just live aboard.
> PCB's liveabord
> schooner looks pretty good as a floating home.
> 9) PCB has designed several boats with junk rig, but
> none that I'm
> aware of with simplified or steel construction, except
> for those
> already mentioned.
>
> Peter
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Thanks for the questions.... TColvin has a suite of fishing junks in
steel from 40' on up that are a cross of the sharpie and dory in
nature with the wider junk stern gallery. Centerboard. I've not
bought study plans but this is about what I have in mind. TC is
quite expensive in plans compared to PCB. PB is in many ways a
proletariat designer, bless his designer soul. I was kinda hoping
he'd played with the classic junk designs and put them through his
instant boat process. In the end I may have to resort to my old
standby of crafting "shorey" models from cereal box cardboard....
they come out amazingly well in sizes about 7" long and closely
approximate the finished hull (I made a 38' shorey instant boat
style from such a model). That and the PLYBOATS program will
probably be my just due. In regards to price that shorey came in for
about 10 grand. Some $69K beauty just isn't in my cards.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pvanderwaart" <pvanderwaart@...>
wrote:
steel from 40' on up that are a cross of the sharpie and dory in
nature with the wider junk stern gallery. Centerboard. I've not
bought study plans but this is about what I have in mind. TC is
quite expensive in plans compared to PCB. PB is in many ways a
proletariat designer, bless his designer soul. I was kinda hoping
he'd played with the classic junk designs and put them through his
instant boat process. In the end I may have to resort to my old
standby of crafting "shorey" models from cereal box cardboard....
they come out amazingly well in sizes about 7" long and closely
approximate the finished hull (I made a 38' shorey instant boat
style from such a model). That and the PLYBOATS program will
probably be my just due. In regards to price that shorey came in for
about 10 grand. Some $69K beauty just isn't in my cards.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pvanderwaart" <pvanderwaart@...>
wrote:
>Colvin
> > Also: any other large crusing
> > flat bottomed or shoal draft STEEL designs PB has done?
>
> I have a bunch of questions and suggestions.
>
> 1) How shoal is shoal?
> 2) If it will suit, you would have a hard time beating the Tom
> Gazelle design. They are often offered for sale, in steel, withjunk
> rig for sums less than any new PCB constuction. For example, thereis
> one in Norfolk now listed at $69,999. Draft is given as 3'10", soonly
> maybe you need an even shallower boat.
> 3) How big a boat do you want? If you have been living on a Pearson
> 33, then you must have divested yourself of most of your worldy
> posessions. That's a smallish size for steel, especially in a shoal
> draft boat.
> 4) Lion's Paw doesn't seem a likely candidate to me, since it has
> about 5' headroom.are
> 5) Your list of PCB designs should include the Solution 48. If you
> not aware of it, it's a bit like a 48', steel Teal, though thebottom
> is a shallow Vee, not flat. Centerboard, ketch.down
> 6) I would think the preference for steel construction would cut
> your options a lot.liveabord
> 7) There are a lot of steel desigs in the 30-35' range at
> www.tantonyachts.com.
> 8) Are you going to sail a lot, or just live aboard. PCB's
> schooner looks pretty good as a floating home.
> 9) PCB has designed several boats with junk rig, but none that I'm
> aware of with simplified or steel construction, except for those
> already mentioned.
>
> Peter
>
The classic design has to be Wylo II (not Bolger
unfortunately) 3' draft with a junk rig option and a
world cruiser in its standard gaff rig form.I've got a
junk rig cartoon that PCB sent to me after I wrote to
him about a year ago asking about the Weston Martyr
design - that was about 35' but in wood - I've written
to him again about Weston Martyr recently and am
waiting for a reply about some mods to make it more
liveaboard friendly.Have any ever been built?.To save
anyone looking it up it was designed to be capable of
doing the English narrow canals but also capable of
short sea passages so that you could do the
continental ones as well.Draft was 18",which was
fine,but the length,at 45',while ideal as a 'go
anywhere'canal cruiser,might,I thought,incur cost
penalties because a lot of these are based on length
Cheers
Andy Airey
--- pvanderwaart <pvanderwaart@...> wrote:
---------------------------------
I have a bunch of questions and suggestions.
1) How shoal is shoal?
2) If it will suit, you would have a hard time beating
the Tom Colvin
Gazelle design. They are often offered for sale, in
steel, with junk
rig for sums less than any new PCB constuction. For
example, there is
one in Norfolk now listed at $69,999. Draft is given
as 3'10", so
maybe you need an even shallower boat.
3) How big a boat do you want? If you have been living
on a Pearson
33, then you must have divested yourself of most of
your worldy
posessions. That's a smallish size for steel,
especially in a shoal
draft boat.
4) Lion's Paw doesn't seem a likely candidate to me,
since it has only
about 5' headroom.
5) Your list of PCB designs should include the
Solution 48. If you are
not aware of it, it's a bit like a 48', steel Teal,
though the bottom
is a shallow Vee, not flat. Centerboard, ketch.
6) I would think the preference for steel construction
would cut down
your options a lot.
7) There are a lot of steel desigs in the 30-35' range
at
www.tantonyachts.com.
8) Are you going to sail a lot, or just live aboard.
PCB's liveabord
schooner looks pretty good as a floating home.
9) PCB has designed several boats with junk rig, but
none that I'm
aware of with simplified or steel construction, except
for those
already mentioned.
Peter
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unfortunately) 3' draft with a junk rig option and a
world cruiser in its standard gaff rig form.I've got a
junk rig cartoon that PCB sent to me after I wrote to
him about a year ago asking about the Weston Martyr
design - that was about 35' but in wood - I've written
to him again about Weston Martyr recently and am
waiting for a reply about some mods to make it more
liveaboard friendly.Have any ever been built?.To save
anyone looking it up it was designed to be capable of
doing the English narrow canals but also capable of
short sea passages so that you could do the
continental ones as well.Draft was 18",which was
fine,but the length,at 45',while ideal as a 'go
anywhere'canal cruiser,might,I thought,incur cost
penalties because a lot of these are based on length
Cheers
Andy Airey
--- pvanderwaart <pvanderwaart@...> wrote:
---------------------------------
> Also: any other large crusingdone?
> flat bottomed or shoal draft STEEL designs PB has
I have a bunch of questions and suggestions.
1) How shoal is shoal?
2) If it will suit, you would have a hard time beating
the Tom Colvin
Gazelle design. They are often offered for sale, in
steel, with junk
rig for sums less than any new PCB constuction. For
example, there is
one in Norfolk now listed at $69,999. Draft is given
as 3'10", so
maybe you need an even shallower boat.
3) How big a boat do you want? If you have been living
on a Pearson
33, then you must have divested yourself of most of
your worldy
posessions. That's a smallish size for steel,
especially in a shoal
draft boat.
4) Lion's Paw doesn't seem a likely candidate to me,
since it has only
about 5' headroom.
5) Your list of PCB designs should include the
Solution 48. If you are
not aware of it, it's a bit like a 48', steel Teal,
though the bottom
is a shallow Vee, not flat. Centerboard, ketch.
6) I would think the preference for steel construction
would cut down
your options a lot.
7) There are a lot of steel desigs in the 30-35' range
at
www.tantonyachts.com.
8) Are you going to sail a lot, or just live aboard.
PCB's liveabord
schooner looks pretty good as a floating home.
9) PCB has designed several boats with junk rig, but
none that I'm
aware of with simplified or steel construction, except
for those
already mentioned.
Peter
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> Also: any other large crusingI have a bunch of questions and suggestions.
> flat bottomed or shoal draft STEEL designs PB has done?
1) How shoal is shoal?
2) If it will suit, you would have a hard time beating the Tom Colvin
Gazelle design. They are often offered for sale, in steel, with junk
rig for sums less than any new PCB constuction. For example, there is
one in Norfolk now listed at $69,999. Draft is given as 3'10", so
maybe you need an even shallower boat.
3) How big a boat do you want? If you have been living on a Pearson
33, then you must have divested yourself of most of your worldy
posessions. That's a smallish size for steel, especially in a shoal
draft boat.
4) Lion's Paw doesn't seem a likely candidate to me, since it has only
about 5' headroom.
5) Your list of PCB designs should include the Solution 48. If you are
not aware of it, it's a bit like a 48', steel Teal, though the bottom
is a shallow Vee, not flat. Centerboard, ketch.
6) I would think the preference for steel construction would cut down
your options a lot.
7) There are a lot of steel desigs in the 30-35' range at
www.tantonyachts.com.
8) Are you going to sail a lot, or just live aboard. PCB's liveabord
schooner looks pretty good as a floating home.
9) PCB has designed several boats with junk rig, but none that I'm
aware of with simplified or steel construction, except for those
already mentioned.
Peter
My all time favorite... Westyn Martyr.....45' x 6'9" steel sharpie
with little jib headed mizzen / fore sail with a massive dipping lug
main. Look in the bolger cartoon group for a bolger write up.
Jason
with little jib headed mizzen / fore sail with a massive dipping lug
main. Look in the bolger cartoon group for a bolger write up.
Jason
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@...> wrote:
Correction: John and Susan and Antispray are located near Columbus
Indiana.
See message 39405.
Nels
> There is another steel sharpie being built called ANTISPRAY or AS48in Florida I think. Photos of a model here:
Correction: John and Susan and Antispray are located near Columbus
Indiana.
See message 39405.
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "goadarama" <goadarama@...> wrote:
Florida I think. Photos of a model here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger2/files/AntiSpray/
And early construction photos in Bolger4 photos.
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger4photos/photos/browse/fd68
Also read messages 6990, 7039 or 40510 and/or do a search of the
archives with "Antispray" as the keyword.
Being built by John and Susan Daniels, who also built "Banty" a well-
travelled MICRO.
Nels
>it
> Did this sharpie ever actually sail? I know it was being built in
> Florida but no more info after that. Does anyone know of it and how
> came out? Was it the only one built? Also: any other large crusingour
> flat bottomed or shoal draft STEEL designs PB has done? We'd like to
> sell our Pearson and go back to shoal draft again... in steel...as
> liveaboard home instead of the Pearson 33. Did PB ever do a fullblown
> junk design? Best wishes, SV Wyldluv, Panama CityThere is another steel sharpie being built called ANTISPRAY or AS48 in
>
Florida I think. Photos of a model here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger2/files/AntiSpray/
And early construction photos in Bolger4 photos.
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger4photos/photos/browse/fd68
Also read messages 6990, 7039 or 40510 and/or do a search of the
archives with "Antispray" as the keyword.
Being built by John and Susan Daniels, who also built "Banty" a well-
travelled MICRO.
Nels
Somewhere in the Bolger lists are a couple of photos "Seven Stars" a 50
ft Aluminum box keel sharpie, designed for Chinese Gaffer rig, only the
hull got completed so far. Sitting in Nome awaiting a change of fortune
of the builder. I put the pictures in a number of years ago, sure can't
find them now.
HJ
goadarama wrote:
ft Aluminum box keel sharpie, designed for Chinese Gaffer rig, only the
hull got completed so far. Sitting in Nome awaiting a change of fortune
of the builder. I put the pictures in a number of years ago, sure can't
find them now.
HJ
goadarama wrote:
> Did this sharpie ever actually sail? I know it was being built in
> Florida but no more info after that. Does anyone know of it and how it
> came out? Was it the only one built? Also: any other large crusing
> flat bottomed or shoal draft STEEL designs PB has done? We'd like to
> sell our Pearson and go back to shoal draft again... in steel...as our
> liveaboard home instead of the Pearson 33. Did PB ever do a full blown
> junk design? Best wishes, SV Wyldluv, Panama City
>
>
>
>
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Bolger designed Wolftrap in aluminum for me. I am a machinist and
fabricator and I was very surprised that he understood metal as well as
he does. He even designed some compound curves that were gentle enough
to be pulled into place. I don't think that came out of a book. Seems
more to me that he understands the material.
Doug
goadarama wrote:
fabricator and I was very surprised that he understood metal as well as
he does. He even designed some compound curves that were gentle enough
to be pulled into place. I don't think that came out of a book. Seems
more to me that he understands the material.
Doug
goadarama wrote:
> Did this sharpie ever actually sail? I know it was being built in
> Florida but no more info after that. Does anyone know of it and how it
> came out? Was it the only one built? Also: any other large crusing
> flat bottomed or shoal draft STEEL designs PB has done? We'd like to
> sell our Pearson and go back to shoal draft again... in steel...as our
> liveaboard home instead of the Pearson 33. Did PB ever do a full blown
> junk design? Best wishes, SV Wyldluv, Panama City
>
>
>
>
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Did this sharpie ever actually sail? I know it was being built in
Florida but no more info after that. Does anyone know of it and how it
came out? Was it the only one built? Also: any other large crusing
flat bottomed or shoal draft STEEL designs PB has done? We'd like to
sell our Pearson and go back to shoal draft again... in steel...as our
liveaboard home instead of the Pearson 33. Did PB ever do a full blown
junk design? Best wishes, SV Wyldluv, Panama City
Florida but no more info after that. Does anyone know of it and how it
came out? Was it the only one built? Also: any other large crusing
flat bottomed or shoal draft STEEL designs PB has done? We'd like to
sell our Pearson and go back to shoal draft again... in steel...as our
liveaboard home instead of the Pearson 33. Did PB ever do a full blown
junk design? Best wishes, SV Wyldluv, Panama City