Re: [bolger] Re: Rescue Minor
You know the Alligators tunnle looks like what Higgens
used on the LCP and LCVP in world war 2 they were both
about 36 feet, right at 9 feet on the chines and drew
28 inches of water if I rember right.
There are still a few of them around Puget Sound. Not
bad for a boat that was made to make 2 or3 trips to
the beach in combat, some 60 pluse years ago. All the
ones I have seen had the 6-71 Jimmy in them for power.
Ahh yes good old wood boats.
Bright Blessing all and Have a happy NewYear!
Krissie
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used on the LCP and LCVP in world war 2 they were both
about 36 feet, right at 9 feet on the chines and drew
28 inches of water if I rember right.
There are still a few of them around Puget Sound. Not
bad for a boat that was made to make 2 or3 trips to
the beach in combat, some 60 pluse years ago. All the
ones I have seen had the 6-71 Jimmy in them for power.
Ahh yes good old wood boats.
Bright Blessing all and Have a happy NewYear!
Krissie
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Don,
That's right. A Biloxi Lugger is more or less a fishing trawler -
sometimes converted, sometimes custom - usually fitted with a large
rigid or canvas shade. Alligator stretches the definition a lot, as
she's also lighter, narrower, and more efficient than most.
Alligator develops a reverse angle on the aft end of the garboard
planks, forming a tunnel - a little more extreme than a Seabright, I
think. There was similar concept used in Dave Gerr's "Summer Kyle".
The feature allows a 24" prop to be fitted in a similar draft. In
fact, at rest, you scan swim under and see a pretty good sized bubble
slightly above the prop (depending on how much water and fuel you
have.) It "burps" at anchor, and, presumably disappears at speed.
The 130 hp Deere sits mostly in the seabright box keel, with a
perfectly horizontal, very short driveshaft (with cv joints) - a very
simple driveline for its scale. It's hard-chined is really built
instant-boat style, though admittedly, the chine angles vary, so chine
logs would be a bit more complex.
The boat is quite light - about 20K - and carries a lot of fuel and
water - 300 and 800 gals, so it's largely water-ballasted.
Nevertheless, she feels pretty lively to keel-boat sailors.
In general, living under the shaded canopy seems quite civil - the
cabin is insulated first from the sun, and then by the large airspace
between, which provides storage for all kinds of dinghies and toys.
There's a shaded deck aft, where you spend most of your time (near the
on-deck beer cooler ;-) I wish Bolger would explore the form and
perhaps simplify it.
Obviously a boat like that's an enormous job. Luckily, my friend Bob,
the designer/builder, was working for the future owner., me, at $ .50
an hour. I watched the whole construction over 6-7 years, and have
lots of pics to share if anyone's interested.
Gregg Carlson
That's right. A Biloxi Lugger is more or less a fishing trawler -
sometimes converted, sometimes custom - usually fitted with a large
rigid or canvas shade. Alligator stretches the definition a lot, as
she's also lighter, narrower, and more efficient than most.
Alligator develops a reverse angle on the aft end of the garboard
planks, forming a tunnel - a little more extreme than a Seabright, I
think. There was similar concept used in Dave Gerr's "Summer Kyle".
The feature allows a 24" prop to be fitted in a similar draft. In
fact, at rest, you scan swim under and see a pretty good sized bubble
slightly above the prop (depending on how much water and fuel you
have.) It "burps" at anchor, and, presumably disappears at speed.
The 130 hp Deere sits mostly in the seabright box keel, with a
perfectly horizontal, very short driveshaft (with cv joints) - a very
simple driveline for its scale. It's hard-chined is really built
instant-boat style, though admittedly, the chine angles vary, so chine
logs would be a bit more complex.
The boat is quite light - about 20K - and carries a lot of fuel and
water - 300 and 800 gals, so it's largely water-ballasted.
Nevertheless, she feels pretty lively to keel-boat sailors.
In general, living under the shaded canopy seems quite civil - the
cabin is insulated first from the sun, and then by the large airspace
between, which provides storage for all kinds of dinghies and toys.
There's a shaded deck aft, where you spend most of your time (near the
on-deck beer cooler ;-) I wish Bolger would explore the form and
perhaps simplify it.
Obviously a boat like that's an enormous job. Luckily, my friend Bob,
the designer/builder, was working for the future owner., me, at $ .50
an hour. I watched the whole construction over 6-7 years, and have
lots of pics to share if anyone's interested.
Gregg Carlson
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "donschultz8275" <donschultz@...> wrote:
>
> Gregg Carlson's Alligator liveaboard is referred to as a Biloxi
> Lugger. I'll assume that is a reference to the superstructure.
>
> Waterline down she appears to be a Seabright Skiff with an Atkins
> Tunnel.
>
>http://www.carlsondesign.com/alligator.html
>
> Study the perspective views apparently generated by Carlson's "Hulls"
> software and you'll see what I mean. These JPEGs along with the pics
> of SalsDad postings of his aluminum Rescue Minor helped me better
> understand the Atkins "tunnel" hull designs.
>
> His "Huskie" work scow and "Twinkle" are different from the Seabright
> Tunnels like "Shoals Runner" "Rescue Minor", and others.
>
> They are all interesting designs, but the Seabrights are, to me,
> exceptional. I don't really see them as planing hulls but they surely
> aren't limited to displacement hull speeds. They also don't seem to
> be "instant boat" friendly designs.
>
> In the Atkins group here on Yahoo! groups, I found Atkin's WWII era
> 300+ foot shallow draft tanker proposal to be really intriguing. That
> hull could scale down to a nifty <70' X 10' live aboard done in
> plywood. It would be a more weatherly variation of Bolger's Illinois
>
> Don Schultz
>
> Nels wrote............
> >
> >http://www.boat-links.com/Atkinco/Utilities/RescueMinor.html
> >
> > Probably many members are aware of this design and the Sea Bright
> > tunnel design skiffs. But then for others it may be of interest.
> >
> > Nels
> >
>
Thanks for posting the link to our esteemed moderators live-a-board
boat Don! After looking,or perhaps more like drooling, over the
pictures on his site, I am more excited then ever about getting my own
little oasis finished and launched!
The shallow water capablities of some big boats is simply amazing!
Thanks again!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,off to check out those sweat inducing pictures of Grand
Gregg Carlsons' delicious Alligator snoozing in southern summer heat
(oooh that lucky bastard :-D ) while we freeze our weenies off up
here,along the mighty St.Lawrence..........
boat Don! After looking,or perhaps more like drooling, over the
pictures on his site, I am more excited then ever about getting my own
little oasis finished and launched!
The shallow water capablities of some big boats is simply amazing!
Thanks again!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,off to check out those sweat inducing pictures of Grand
Gregg Carlsons' delicious Alligator snoozing in southern summer heat
(oooh that lucky bastard :-D ) while we freeze our weenies off up
here,along the mighty St.Lawrence..........
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "donschultz8275" <donschultz@...> wrote:
>regg Carlson's Alligator liveaboard is referred to as a Biloxi
> Lugger. I'll assume that is a reference to the superstructure.
>
> Waterline down she appears to be a Seabright Skiff with an Atkins
> Tunnel.
>
>http://www.carlsondesign.com/alligator.html
>
Gregg Carlson's Alligator liveaboard is referred to as a Biloxi
Lugger. I'll assume that is a reference to the superstructure.
Waterline down she appears to be a Seabright Skiff with an Atkins
Tunnel.
http://www.carlsondesign.com/alligator.html
Study the perspective views apparently generated by Carlson's "Hulls"
software and you'll see what I mean. These JPEGs along with the pics
of SalsDad postings of his aluminum Rescue Minor helped me better
understand the Atkins "tunnel" hull designs.
His "Huskie" work scow and "Twinkle" are different from the Seabright
Tunnels like "Shoals Runner" "Rescue Minor", and others.
They are all interesting designs, but the Seabrights are, to me,
exceptional. I don't really see them as planing hulls but they surely
aren't limited to displacement hull speeds. They also don't seem to
be "instant boat" friendly designs.
In the Atkins group here on Yahoo! groups, I found Atkin's WWII era
300+ foot shallow draft tanker proposal to be really intriguing. That
hull could scale down to a nifty <70' X 10' live aboard done in
plywood. It would be a more weatherly variation of Bolger's Illinois
Don Schultz
Nels wrote............
Lugger. I'll assume that is a reference to the superstructure.
Waterline down she appears to be a Seabright Skiff with an Atkins
Tunnel.
http://www.carlsondesign.com/alligator.html
Study the perspective views apparently generated by Carlson's "Hulls"
software and you'll see what I mean. These JPEGs along with the pics
of SalsDad postings of his aluminum Rescue Minor helped me better
understand the Atkins "tunnel" hull designs.
His "Huskie" work scow and "Twinkle" are different from the Seabright
Tunnels like "Shoals Runner" "Rescue Minor", and others.
They are all interesting designs, but the Seabrights are, to me,
exceptional. I don't really see them as planing hulls but they surely
aren't limited to displacement hull speeds. They also don't seem to
be "instant boat" friendly designs.
In the Atkins group here on Yahoo! groups, I found Atkin's WWII era
300+ foot shallow draft tanker proposal to be really intriguing. That
hull could scale down to a nifty <70' X 10' live aboard done in
plywood. It would be a more weatherly variation of Bolger's Illinois
Don Schultz
Nels wrote............
>
>http://www.boat-links.com/Atkinco/Utilities/RescueMinor.html
>
> Probably many members are aware of this design and the Sea Bright
> tunnel design skiffs. But then for others it may be of interest.
>
> Nels
>
Robb White built himself a good boat, but Mrs. Atkin and I wish he hadn't
named it "Rescue Minor". Robb looked at three or more of the Atkin
tunnel-stern Seabright skiffs and then went and built a boat of his own
design using the Atkin plans as inspiration. He kept enough Atkin in the
design to make the boat work good anyway. ;o) I like Robb, and I like his
boat, but his choice of name for it has caused some confusion. Rescue
Minor is a hard-chined, plywood, V-bottom tunnel-stern Seabright skiff, a
type Billy Atkin invented long, long ago. Robb White's boat is a
round-bilged tunnel-stern Seabright skiff of about the proportions of
Rescue Minor. Billy Atkin probably wasn't the first to design a
round-bilged tunnel-stern Seabright skiff, but he probably designed more
of them than anyone else -- just not the one Robb built. <g>
The "box deadwood" is what distinguishes a Seabright skiff. When the shift
to power came along it was found that the box deadwood made installing an
engine very easy, and that Seabright skiffs went along real nice under
power. It isn't a box keel, the box deadwood starts somewhere abaft
midships. It blends into the bottom forward. There are a bunch of
Seabright skiff designs in the current Atkins catalog:
http://www.atkinboatplans.com/
named it "Rescue Minor". Robb looked at three or more of the Atkin
tunnel-stern Seabright skiffs and then went and built a boat of his own
design using the Atkin plans as inspiration. He kept enough Atkin in the
design to make the boat work good anyway. ;o) I like Robb, and I like his
boat, but his choice of name for it has caused some confusion. Rescue
Minor is a hard-chined, plywood, V-bottom tunnel-stern Seabright skiff, a
type Billy Atkin invented long, long ago. Robb White's boat is a
round-bilged tunnel-stern Seabright skiff of about the proportions of
Rescue Minor. Billy Atkin probably wasn't the first to design a
round-bilged tunnel-stern Seabright skiff, but he probably designed more
of them than anyone else -- just not the one Robb built. <g>
The "box deadwood" is what distinguishes a Seabright skiff. When the shift
to power came along it was found that the box deadwood made installing an
engine very easy, and that Seabright skiffs went along real nice under
power. It isn't a box keel, the box deadwood starts somewhere abaft
midships. It blends into the bottom forward. There are a bunch of
Seabright skiff designs in the current Atkins catalog:
http://www.atkinboatplans.com/
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 09:50:49 -0800, Nels wrote:
> ...
> A recent article in WB#189 by Robb describes Rescue Minor in some
> detail and the William Atkin plans it was built from. First off,
> Robb did a fine interpretation of the plans and secondly it is
> really an interesting design.
>
> Apparently it has a narrow box keel forward described like "a small
> double-ended pirogue" with a larger boat build on top of it. The
> stern section of the larger hull extends aft and is tunnel-shaped.
> At rest the top half of the prop is above water, but as it moves,
> the stern wave from the pirogue section fills the tunnel and the
> prop is is fully engaged. According to Robb, he believes it is kind
> of surfing on it's own stern wave, and can run wide open in 6" of
> water.
> ...
--
John <jkohnen@...>
Love is the delightful interval between meeting a beautiful girl and
discovering she looks like a haddock. <John Barrymore>
Study plans for three similar designs appear in *Workable Plans for
Practical Boats* : Vol 47 of Motor Boating's Ideal Series;
CHAPMAN, CHARLES F.. Published by Motor Boating and Sailing in 1958.
http://www.boat-links.com/Ideal/XLVII.html
Nels wrote:
Practical Boats* : Vol 47 of Motor Boating's Ideal Series;
CHAPMAN, CHARLES F.. Published by Motor Boating and Sailing in 1958.
http://www.boat-links.com/Ideal/XLVII.html
Nels wrote:
> ...
>
> Also readers will be well aware of Robb White's articles. (I read
> them instead of taking a sedative - and don't recall ever finishing
> one;-) And often his reference to his boat "Rescue Minor".
>
> A recent article in WB#189 by Robb describes Rescue Minor in some
> detail and the William Atkin plans it was built from. First off,
> Robb did a fine interpretation of the plans and secondly it is
> really an interesting design.
>
> ...
>
>
>
> The first sketch here shows the prop configuration at rest. Plans
> are sold by Mr. Atkins widow from what I understand.
>
>http://www.boat-links.com/Atkinco/Utilities/RescueMinor.html
>
> Probably many members are aware of this design and the Sea Bright
> tunnel design skiffs. But then for others it may be of interest.
>
> Nels
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Anyone reading MAIB will be aware of Bolger often making references
to William Atkins' designs. (As recent as the his update on his
houseboat design that he is now selling plans for once again.) The
MAIB with Bruce Anderson on the cover:-)
Also readers will be well aware of Robb White's articles. (I read
them instead of taking a sedative - and don't recall ever finishing
one;-) And often his reference to his boat "Rescue Minor".
A recent article in WB#189 by Robb describes Rescue Minor in some
detail and the William Atkin plans it was built from. First off,
Robb did a fine interpretation of the plans and secondly it is
really an interesting design.
Apparently it has a narrow box keel forward described like "a small
double-ended pirogue" with a larger boat build on top of it. The
stern section of the larger hull extends aft and is tunnel-shaped.
At rest the top half of the prop is above water, but as it moves,
the stern wave from the pirogue section fills the tunnel and the
prop is is fully engaged. According to Robb, he believes it is kind
of surfing on it's own stern wave, and can run wide open in 6" of
water.
He strip-planked his, even though the plans are for plywood
construction, and installed a small Kubota diesel tractor engine. It
burns "less than 1/2 gallon of fuel per hour - top speed is 22
knots" and you know Robb never exaggerates the truth:-)
The first sketch here shows the prop configuration at rest. Plans
are sold by Mr. Atkins widow from what I understand.
http://www.boat-links.com/Atkinco/Utilities/RescueMinor.html
Probably many members are aware of this design and the Sea Bright
tunnel design skiffs. But then for others it may be of interest.
Nels
to William Atkins' designs. (As recent as the his update on his
houseboat design that he is now selling plans for once again.) The
MAIB with Bruce Anderson on the cover:-)
Also readers will be well aware of Robb White's articles. (I read
them instead of taking a sedative - and don't recall ever finishing
one;-) And often his reference to his boat "Rescue Minor".
A recent article in WB#189 by Robb describes Rescue Minor in some
detail and the William Atkin plans it was built from. First off,
Robb did a fine interpretation of the plans and secondly it is
really an interesting design.
Apparently it has a narrow box keel forward described like "a small
double-ended pirogue" with a larger boat build on top of it. The
stern section of the larger hull extends aft and is tunnel-shaped.
At rest the top half of the prop is above water, but as it moves,
the stern wave from the pirogue section fills the tunnel and the
prop is is fully engaged. According to Robb, he believes it is kind
of surfing on it's own stern wave, and can run wide open in 6" of
water.
He strip-planked his, even though the plans are for plywood
construction, and installed a small Kubota diesel tractor engine. It
burns "less than 1/2 gallon of fuel per hour - top speed is 22
knots" and you know Robb never exaggerates the truth:-)
The first sketch here shows the prop configuration at rest. Plans
are sold by Mr. Atkins widow from what I understand.
http://www.boat-links.com/Atkinco/Utilities/RescueMinor.html
Probably many members are aware of this design and the Sea Bright
tunnel design skiffs. But then for others it may be of interest.
Nels