Re: ROT
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan" <peterlenihan@...>
wrote:
The boat was designed for a NW newsman and the building supervised by
Jay Benford. I think this might still have been in his Friday Harbor
days. Anyway, the fairing was so good on the hull, they used it to
make the fiberglass mold from.....The curved seats in the stern are
tongue-in-groove teak, one missing and the three remaining in poor
repair. I have that area tarped, but it is time for new
tarping......After looking at Benford's book on pocket cruisers I now
believe this cross piece is oak......I'm going to examine the piece
more carefully after it is dry..........Hehe, as one gets older and
finds they are not going to live up to their ideal self, hopefully
they scale back their plans to reality and still remain happy. In my
case, I had hoped the cruise the oceans in a Benford 30, but now will
cruise Puget Sound and the waters around British Columbia in a
Benford 20..........Bolger, Benfor, Michilak, and Devlin, these guys
are my heros........Oops, better throw-in Brewer. I live aboard one
of his designs, a 25' Nimble Nomad.......My best, Tim
wrote:
>spans
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "captainbws" <captainbws@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Peter, the boat is a catboat and the crossmember holds up the
> > cockpit seating where the backrest meets the seat. The piece
> > the width of the stern. The wood is painted black, so I reallyhull
> don't
> > know what kind of wood it is. The hull is ferrocement so the hull
> > fastening may be mechanical, that is bolted to a gavanized steel
> > piece protruding from the hull......I know where the leak is and
> will
> > endeavor to correct it. ......My health has improved enough
> recently
> > to start some restoration work on this sailboat. I'm sneaking it
> in
> > here (not a Bolger boat) because I know you guys and thought the
> > topic germain to all wooden boat afficianandos. It's actually
> #1coast?
> > of the Jay Benford line of 20' catboats......Thanks for your
> shared
> > wisdom......Tim
>
>
> Hi Tim,
>
> I've seen the study plans for your boat and really liked that
> boat alot! Was this(your) boat built by a pro yard on the West
> As to your original questions,and now based on newinformation,
> the best route may well be to simply remove the piece in questionall
> and replace it with a nice fresh piece of lumber.Hopefully the
> original builder(s) did not bury anything in the cement or epoxy
> the wood parts together in one big massive lay-up.of
> Of course,knowing the actual location of the leak is half the
> battle won! :-)
> Also,presuming the integrity of the hull has not been
> compromised,at least you do not have to worry about the hull
> rotting :-)
> If you can,carefully remove/extract the rotted piece as whole
> as possible and use it to take measurements off for the replacement
> piece.Seal the end grain of the new piece with a good soaking of
> epoxy.If the area behind and bellow the seats/benches is sealed
> tight,consider adding a few vents to get some air circulation
> through that part as preventitive should further leaks(from the
> deck?) occur.
> A picture or two would also be a nice treat :-)
>
> Good luck with repair/restortation!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Peter Lenihan,who so many years ago almost caught the Benford bug
> before coming down with a particularly persistent and nasty Bolger
> virus which I have yet to manage to shake off despite years worth
> massive doses of the "medicine"....you know...the one that comes inHi Peter,
> those big dark bottles with corks in them....so far the treatment
> has been a complete and utterly blissful affair which I hope never
> ends :-D
The boat was designed for a NW newsman and the building supervised by
Jay Benford. I think this might still have been in his Friday Harbor
days. Anyway, the fairing was so good on the hull, they used it to
make the fiberglass mold from.....The curved seats in the stern are
tongue-in-groove teak, one missing and the three remaining in poor
repair. I have that area tarped, but it is time for new
tarping......After looking at Benford's book on pocket cruisers I now
believe this cross piece is oak......I'm going to examine the piece
more carefully after it is dry..........Hehe, as one gets older and
finds they are not going to live up to their ideal self, hopefully
they scale back their plans to reality and still remain happy. In my
case, I had hoped the cruise the oceans in a Benford 30, but now will
cruise Puget Sound and the waters around British Columbia in a
Benford 20..........Bolger, Benfor, Michilak, and Devlin, these guys
are my heros........Oops, better throw-in Brewer. I live aboard one
of his designs, a 25' Nimble Nomad.......My best, Tim
>
Hehe, yep I do see the irony. I posted the problem over at the Yahoo
woodenboat forum and got no reply. It's pretty dead over
there.......I have the Bolger bug too. I have 2 paper model
derivations of Birdwatcher and one paper model of Champlain adorning
my desk at work.--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "derbyrm"
<derbyrm@...> wrote:
woodenboat forum and got no reply. It's pretty dead over
there.......I have the Bolger bug too. I have 2 paper model
derivations of Birdwatcher and one paper model of Champlain adorning
my desk at work.--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "derbyrm"
<derbyrm@...> wrote:
>Benford
> I'm not really objecting, but you do see the irony of posting a
> design on the Bolger Group describing for the wooden boataficionados a
> problem with a ferro-cement hull?a hull
>
> Roger (who also owns a set of Benford plans and bits and pieces of
> from same)spans
> derbyrm@...
>http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Lenihan" <peterlenihan@...>
> To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 3:14 AM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: ROT
>
>
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "captainbws" <captainbws@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Peter, the boat is a catboat and the crossmember holds up the
> >> cockpit seating where the backrest meets the seat. The piece
> >> the width of the stern. The wood is painted black, so I reallythe hull
> >> don't know what kind of wood it is. The hull is ferrocement so
> >> fastening may be mechanical, that is bolted to a gavanized steelsneaking
> >> piece protruding from the hull......I know where the leak is and
> >> will endeavor to correct it. ......My health has improved enough
> >> recently to start some restoration work on this sailboat. I'm
> >> it in here (not a Bolger boat) because I know you guys andthought the
> >> topic germain to all wooden boat afficianandos. It's actuallyhull
> > #1coast?
> >> of the Jay Benford line of 20' catboats......Thanks for your
> > shared
> >> wisdom......Tim
> >
> >
> > Hi Tim,
> >
> > I've seen the study plans for your boat and really liked that
> > boat alot! Was this(your) boat built by a pro yard on the West
> > As to your original questions,and now based on newinformation,
> > the best route may well be to simply remove the piece in questionall
> > and replace it with a nice fresh piece of lumber.Hopefully the
> > original builder(s) did not bury anything in the cement or epoxy
> > the wood parts together in one big massive lay-up.replacement
> > Of course,knowing the actual location of the leak is half the
> > battle won! :-)
> > Also,presuming the integrity of the hull has not been
> > compromised,at least you do not have to worry about the hull
> > rotting :-)
> > If you can,carefully remove/extract the rotted piece as whole
> > as possible and use it to take measurements off for the
> > piece.Seal the end grain of the new piece with a good soaking ofof
> > epoxy.If the area behind and bellow the seats/benches is sealed
> > tight,consider adding a few vents to get some air circulation
> > through that part as preventitive should further leaks(from the
> > deck?) occur.
> > A picture or two would also be a nice treat :-)
> >
> > Good luck with repair/restortation!
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Peter Lenihan,who so many years ago almost caught the Benford bug
> > before coming down with a particularly persistent and nasty Bolger
> > virus which I have yet to manage to shake off despite years worth
> > massive doses of the "medicine"....you know...the one that comesin
> > those big dark bottles with corks in them....so far the treatmentflogging dead
> > has been a complete and utterly blissful affair which I hope never
> > ends :-D
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Bolger rules!!!
> > - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or
> > horsesposts
> > - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred'
> > - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away01930, Fax:
> > - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
> > (978) 282-1349
> > - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
I'm not really objecting, but you do see the irony of posting a Benford
design on the Bolger Group describing for the wooden boat aficionados a
problem with a ferro-cement hull?
Roger (who also owns a set of Benford plans and bits and pieces of a hull
from same)
derbyrm@...
http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm
design on the Bolger Group describing for the wooden boat aficionados a
problem with a ferro-cement hull?
Roger (who also owns a set of Benford plans and bits and pieces of a hull
from same)
derbyrm@...
http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Lenihan" <peterlenihan@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 3:14 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: ROT
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "captainbws" <captainbws@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Peter, the boat is a catboat and the crossmember holds up the
>> cockpit seating where the backrest meets the seat. The piece spans
>> the width of the stern. The wood is painted black, so I really
>> don't know what kind of wood it is. The hull is ferrocement so the hull
>> fastening may be mechanical, that is bolted to a gavanized steel
>> piece protruding from the hull......I know where the leak is and
>> will endeavor to correct it. ......My health has improved enough
>> recently to start some restoration work on this sailboat. I'm sneaking
>> it in here (not a Bolger boat) because I know you guys and thought the
>> topic germain to all wooden boat afficianandos. It's actually hull
> #1
>> of the Jay Benford line of 20' catboats......Thanks for your
> shared
>> wisdom......Tim
>
>
> Hi Tim,
>
> I've seen the study plans for your boat and really liked that
> boat alot! Was this(your) boat built by a pro yard on the West coast?
> As to your original questions,and now based on new information,
> the best route may well be to simply remove the piece in question
> and replace it with a nice fresh piece of lumber.Hopefully the
> original builder(s) did not bury anything in the cement or epoxy all
> the wood parts together in one big massive lay-up.
> Of course,knowing the actual location of the leak is half the
> battle won! :-)
> Also,presuming the integrity of the hull has not been
> compromised,at least you do not have to worry about the hull
> rotting :-)
> If you can,carefully remove/extract the rotted piece as whole
> as possible and use it to take measurements off for the replacement
> piece.Seal the end grain of the new piece with a good soaking of
> epoxy.If the area behind and bellow the seats/benches is sealed
> tight,consider adding a few vents to get some air circulation
> through that part as preventitive should further leaks(from the
> deck?) occur.
> A picture or two would also be a nice treat :-)
>
> Good luck with repair/restortation!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Peter Lenihan,who so many years ago almost caught the Benford bug
> before coming down with a particularly persistent and nasty Bolger
> virus which I have yet to manage to shake off despite years worth of
> massive doses of the "medicine"....you know...the one that comes in
> those big dark bottles with corks in them....so far the treatment
> has been a complete and utterly blissful affair which I hope never
> ends :-D
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging dead
> horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax:
> (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "captainbws" <captainbws@...> wrote:
I've seen the study plans for your boat and really liked that
boat alot! Was this(your) boat built by a pro yard on the West coast?
As to your original questions,and now based on new information,
the best route may well be to simply remove the piece in question
and replace it with a nice fresh piece of lumber.Hopefully the
original builder(s) did not bury anything in the cement or epoxy all
the wood parts together in one big massive lay-up.
Of course,knowing the actual location of the leak is half the
battle won! :-)
Also,presuming the integrity of the hull has not been
compromised,at least you do not have to worry about the hull
rotting :-)
If you can,carefully remove/extract the rotted piece as whole
as possible and use it to take measurements off for the replacement
piece.Seal the end grain of the new piece with a good soaking of
epoxy.If the area behind and bellow the seats/benches is sealed
tight,consider adding a few vents to get some air circulation
through that part as preventitive should further leaks(from the
deck?) occur.
A picture or two would also be a nice treat :-)
Good luck with repair/restortation!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,who so many years ago almost caught the Benford bug
before coming down with a particularly persistent and nasty Bolger
virus which I have yet to manage to shake off despite years worth of
massive doses of the "medicine"....you know...the one that comes in
those big dark bottles with corks in them....so far the treatment
has been a complete and utterly blissful affair which I hope never
ends :-D
>don't
> Hi Peter, the boat is a catboat and the crossmember holds up the
> cockpit seating where the backrest meets the seat. The piece spans
> the width of the stern. The wood is painted black, so I really
> know what kind of wood it is. The hull is ferrocement so the hullwill
> fastening may be mechanical, that is bolted to a gavanized steel
> piece protruding from the hull......I know where the leak is and
> endeavor to correct it. ......My health has improved enoughrecently
> to start some restoration work on this sailboat. I'm sneaking itin
> here (not a Bolger boat) because I know you guys and thought the#1
> topic germain to all wooden boat afficianandos. It's actually hull
> of the Jay Benford line of 20' catboats......Thanks for yourshared
> wisdom......TimHi Tim,
I've seen the study plans for your boat and really liked that
boat alot! Was this(your) boat built by a pro yard on the West coast?
As to your original questions,and now based on new information,
the best route may well be to simply remove the piece in question
and replace it with a nice fresh piece of lumber.Hopefully the
original builder(s) did not bury anything in the cement or epoxy all
the wood parts together in one big massive lay-up.
Of course,knowing the actual location of the leak is half the
battle won! :-)
Also,presuming the integrity of the hull has not been
compromised,at least you do not have to worry about the hull
rotting :-)
If you can,carefully remove/extract the rotted piece as whole
as possible and use it to take measurements off for the replacement
piece.Seal the end grain of the new piece with a good soaking of
epoxy.If the area behind and bellow the seats/benches is sealed
tight,consider adding a few vents to get some air circulation
through that part as preventitive should further leaks(from the
deck?) occur.
A picture or two would also be a nice treat :-)
Good luck with repair/restortation!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,who so many years ago almost caught the Benford bug
before coming down with a particularly persistent and nasty Bolger
virus which I have yet to manage to shake off despite years worth of
massive doses of the "medicine"....you know...the one that comes in
those big dark bottles with corks in them....so far the treatment
has been a complete and utterly blissful affair which I hope never
ends :-D
Hi Peter, the boat is a catboat and the crossmember holds up the
cockpit seating where the backrest meets the seat. The piece spans
the width of the stern. The wood is painted black, so I really don't
know what kind of wood it is. The hull is ferrocement so the hull
fastening may be mechanical, that is bolted to a gavanized steel
piece protruding from the hull......I know where the leak is and will
endeavor to correct it. ......My health has improved enough recently
to start some restoration work on this sailboat. I'm sneaking it in
here (not a Bolger boat) because I know you guys and thought the
topic germain to all wooden boat afficianandos. It's actually hull #1
of the Jay Benford line of 20' catboats......Thanks for your shared
wisdom......Tim --- In
bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan" <peterlenihan@...> wrote:
cockpit seating where the backrest meets the seat. The piece spans
the width of the stern. The wood is painted black, so I really don't
know what kind of wood it is. The hull is ferrocement so the hull
fastening may be mechanical, that is bolted to a gavanized steel
piece protruding from the hull......I know where the leak is and will
endeavor to correct it. ......My health has improved enough recently
to start some restoration work on this sailboat. I'm sneaking it in
here (not a Bolger boat) because I know you guys and thought the
topic germain to all wooden boat afficianandos. It's actually hull #1
of the Jay Benford line of 20' catboats......Thanks for your shared
wisdom......Tim --- In
bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan" <peterlenihan@...> wrote:
>cockpit
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "captainbws" <captainbws@> wrote:
> >
> > Hey guys, I've got a ,teak I think, cross member under the
> ofam
> > my sailboat. There has been a leak there. I can stick a knife
> 3/16th"
> > into it and water pools around the knife stick. How much trouble
> Iis
> > in? I've never fixed rot before..............Thanks, Tim
>
> Hi Tim,
>
> Any idea what type of boat you have? Do you know where the leak
> coming from? When you say "cross member",are you refering to amember
> supporting the cockpit sole or something joined to and crossing thein"
> keel/keelson?
> In other words,rather difficult to know"how much trouble you are
> if no one knows the answers to the above questions.quick :-)
> Hopefully you are not in any trouble at all and the fix is
> But then again,teak crossmembers......odd place to use/find teak,no?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Peter Lenihan
> >
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "captainbws" <captainbws@...> wrote:
Any idea what type of boat you have? Do you know where the leak is
coming from? When you say "cross member",are you refering to a member
supporting the cockpit sole or something joined to and crossing the
keel/keelson?
In other words,rather difficult to know"how much trouble you are in"
if no one knows the answers to the above questions.
Hopefully you are not in any trouble at all and the fix is quick :-)
But then again,teak crossmembers......odd place to use/find teak,no?
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
>of
> Hey guys, I've got a ,teak I think, cross member under the cockpit
> my sailboat. There has been a leak there. I can stick a knife3/16th"
> into it and water pools around the knife stick. How much trouble amI
> in? I've never fixed rot before..............Thanks, TimHi Tim,
Any idea what type of boat you have? Do you know where the leak is
coming from? When you say "cross member",are you refering to a member
supporting the cockpit sole or something joined to and crossing the
keel/keelson?
In other words,rather difficult to know"how much trouble you are in"
if no one knows the answers to the above questions.
Hopefully you are not in any trouble at all and the fix is quick :-)
But then again,teak crossmembers......odd place to use/find teak,no?
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
>
Hey guys, I've got a ,teak I think, cross member under the cockpit of
my sailboat. There has been a leak there. I can stick a knife 3/16th"
into it and water pools around the knife stick. How much trouble am I
in? I've never fixed rot before..............Thanks, Tim
my sailboat. There has been a leak there. I can stick a knife 3/16th"
into it and water pools around the knife stick. How much trouble am I
in? I've never fixed rot before..............Thanks, Tim