Re: Trailer for Diablo
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "adventures_in_astrophotography"
<jon@...> wrote:
One I had to get a tongue extension welded on was all.
Build a wooden cradle for the boat and you can also use the trailer
for other purposes, like hauling lumber for the next boat.
The one I haul Lestat around with I have done over 8000 km of boat
hauling. Have hauled freight, lumber, garden tractor and my MGB as
well:-)
Also I have converted an old fold-down tent trailer to a canoe hauler.
I can carry two canoes and all the gear in the trailer box, two more
canoes on the roof of the van and still camp in the back when
traveling.
Nels
<jon@...> wrote:
>than
> Good suggestion - I'd forgotten about these guys
> (www.northerntool.com). They have some things for a little less
> Champion, especially lighter duty axle/spring/hardware kits, andrims
> with tires, but some items are a little more. I'm probably lookingat
> a best case of around $800.00 for components no matter where I getI have had good luck towing boats with second hand utility trailers.
> them, plus whatever steel costs. I'll have to check Harbor Freight,
> too.
>
> Jon Kolb
> www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
>
One I had to get a tongue extension welded on was all.
Build a wooden cradle for the boat and you can also use the trailer
for other purposes, like hauling lumber for the next boat.
The one I haul Lestat around with I have done over 8000 km of boat
hauling. Have hauled freight, lumber, garden tractor and my MGB as
well:-)
Also I have converted an old fold-down tent trailer to a canoe hauler.
I can carry two canoes and all the gear in the trailer box, two more
canoes on the roof of the van and still camp in the back when
traveling.
Nels
Hi Clyde,
(www.northerntool.com). They have some things for a little less than
Champion, especially lighter duty axle/spring/hardware kits, and rims
with tires, but some items are a little more. I'm probably looking at
a best case of around $800.00 for components no matter where I get
them, plus whatever steel costs. I'll have to check Harbor Freight,
too.
Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
> Check the Northern catalog or google Northern, maybe tools.(Used tobeGood suggestion - I'd forgotten about these guys
> Northern Hydraulics)
(www.northerntool.com). They have some things for a little less than
Champion, especially lighter duty axle/spring/hardware kits, and rims
with tires, but some items are a little more. I'm probably looking at
a best case of around $800.00 for components no matter where I get
them, plus whatever steel costs. I'll have to check Harbor Freight,
too.
Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
Hi Wesley,
Thanks for the info on the guy in Kansas, I may call him. An I'm with
you on the track width. The biggest problem with buying a cheap boat
to get the trailer is what to do with the probably useless (to me)
boat. Once you pay to transfer the title, run ads to sell it, store it
while waiting for somebody with a trailer to buy it, the other options
look better. I suppose donation is an option if the trailer was worth
the original cost, especially if they'd take it without a trailer. If
it's a wood boat, one could salvage fittings and burn it - but the fire
bans have just gone up, probably for the season, around here.
and where I priced components this time, and I think it's just that
anything steel has gone way up lately. Obviously some of this stuff
might be available locally, perhaps even for lower cost, but that's
usually not the case. Here's my list, with rounded values for
everything:
Axle - $75.00
Springs - $58.00
Hangers, links, bolts - $20.00
U-bolt kit - $16.00
13" rims with tires (3) - $246.00
A-frame coupler - $24.00
Swing away jack - $29.00
Light kit - $34.00
Winch - $40.00
Winch strap - $11.00
Winch post - $100.00
2" bow stop - $9.00
Spare carrier - $20.00
Fenders - $38.00
Bunk brackets (4) - $30.00
PT lumber for bottom and side bunks - $60.00 (guess)
Roll of outdoor carpet (not all used) - $40.00 (guess)
All of this adds up to $890.00. If it's all available locally, I'm
looking at 7.4% sales tax, for a total of $955.86. If I order it all,
it'll probably be about $150.00 for shipping for a total of $1040.00.
There are some potential savings - making my own winch post and bunk
brackets could save maybe $70.00 out of the total. Scrounging
junkyards, garage sales, and the Thrifty Nickel might turn up some of
the materials, but will take some concentrated effort and time. Note
however, that none of the steel for the frame is included here, or
paint, or any fastenings I might need and not already have, so it's
likely that the cost to build one will exceed the cost of a new one in
any case.
And of course there is the value of one's time - I love building boats,
but even though I can and have built trailers, it's not something I
really enjoy. A new one also will look better, have a warranty, and
likely a better resale value down the road. Still, it's depressing how
much steel and steel products costs theses days.
Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
Thanks for the info on the guy in Kansas, I may call him. An I'm with
you on the track width. The biggest problem with buying a cheap boat
to get the trailer is what to do with the probably useless (to me)
boat. Once you pay to transfer the title, run ads to sell it, store it
while waiting for somebody with a trailer to buy it, the other options
look better. I suppose donation is an option if the trailer was worth
the original cost, especially if they'd take it without a trailer. If
it's a wood boat, one could salvage fittings and burn it - but the fire
bans have just gone up, probably for the season, around here.
> 5. The price you quote for parts seems high. I've dealt withChampion
> Trailers,http://www.championtrailers.comand was very please withChampion is where I've ordered stuff for two previous trailers I built,
> service and price.
and where I priced components this time, and I think it's just that
anything steel has gone way up lately. Obviously some of this stuff
might be available locally, perhaps even for lower cost, but that's
usually not the case. Here's my list, with rounded values for
everything:
Axle - $75.00
Springs - $58.00
Hangers, links, bolts - $20.00
U-bolt kit - $16.00
13" rims with tires (3) - $246.00
A-frame coupler - $24.00
Swing away jack - $29.00
Light kit - $34.00
Winch - $40.00
Winch strap - $11.00
Winch post - $100.00
2" bow stop - $9.00
Spare carrier - $20.00
Fenders - $38.00
Bunk brackets (4) - $30.00
PT lumber for bottom and side bunks - $60.00 (guess)
Roll of outdoor carpet (not all used) - $40.00 (guess)
All of this adds up to $890.00. If it's all available locally, I'm
looking at 7.4% sales tax, for a total of $955.86. If I order it all,
it'll probably be about $150.00 for shipping for a total of $1040.00.
There are some potential savings - making my own winch post and bunk
brackets could save maybe $70.00 out of the total. Scrounging
junkyards, garage sales, and the Thrifty Nickel might turn up some of
the materials, but will take some concentrated effort and time. Note
however, that none of the steel for the frame is included here, or
paint, or any fastenings I might need and not already have, so it's
likely that the cost to build one will exceed the cost of a new one in
any case.
And of course there is the value of one's time - I love building boats,
but even though I can and have built trailers, it's not something I
really enjoy. A new one also will look better, have a warranty, and
likely a better resale value down the road. Still, it's depressing how
much steel and steel products costs theses days.
Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
Check the Northern catalog or google Northern, maybe tools.(Used tobe
Northern Hydraulics)
adventures_in_astrophotography wrote:
Northern Hydraulics)
adventures_in_astrophotography wrote:
>My Diablo rendition is so close to being done that I can already smell
>the fish. And from my shop I can see that the ice is off the lake
>early this year. She still needs a name, my wife having apparently
>vetoed "Salacious" for some reason having to do with "trolling" with my
>chick-magnet dog on board. On the downside, I have yet to rob a bank
>to buy a motor, and my search for a trailer has been frustrating to say
>the least.
>
>Used boat trailers without boats on them are almost unheard of in
>Colorado, so I went to a couple of dealers for pricing on new ones.
>The Shoreland'r dealer recommends the SLB14ATM for the princely sum of
>$1236.00. The Karavan dealer recommends a similar-looking model KM1250-
>56 at "about" $1100.00 "or so." These are 1400 lb. capacity trailers
>with 56" wide frames and 13" or 12" C-rated tires. I priced components
>to weld one up myself and came out at almost $1000.00 for a similar
>capacity NOT counting the steel for the frame. The second dealer also
>has some unassembled frames/tongues/running gear for a 44" wide (frame)
>trailer that has a capacity of 1200 lbs. that he'll let go for $600.00
>without a spare tire.
>
>My questions to Diablo owners and anyone else who cares to comment are
>thus:
>
>1) What size and capacity of trailer are you using, and with what size
>motor? I'm most interested in frame width, load capacity, and tire
>sizes folks are using successfully.
>
>2) Do you think the 44" frame trailer will do the job for my usual 5-
>mile dirt road trip to the lake? How about a 6-hour long haul to
>McConnaughy?
>
>Thanks in advance for the help. Latest web site update for this boat
>coming soon!
>
>Jon Kolb
>www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
>
>
>
>
>
>
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I've been through the same issues (in my head) many times. Some thoughts...
1. Have you looked on ebay? Shot in the dark, but you may find one
close to you.
2. I forget where you are in Colorado, but if on the east side and you
don't mind driving, there is a guy (or 2?) in Kansas City that
frequently has boat trailers w/out boats and boat parts on ebay. I
called the guy once but never did buy. He was going to let me pick of
many trailers for a 17' boat for $200-400, depending on what I picked.
His number is 816-616-2904.
3. As I looked for the number for #2 on ebay, came across #4629857699 in
Elizabeth, CO, a 15' Catalina w/ "excellent" trailer, $500 current bid.
4. Personally I prefer at least 12" tires. I have a trailer now w/ 8"
tires and worry myself silly driving on the highway, even keeping it at
60 mph.
5. The price you quote for parts seems high. I've dealt with Champion
Trailers,http://www.championtrailers.comand was very please with
service and price.
6. I believe the key width measurement is outside to outside of the
tires. It's rare to see a boat on a trailer such that the boat is wider
than the outside of the tires by more than a few inches. It would
probably be ok to go a foot wider, maybe even 2 feet if the trailer is
very low to the trailer and doesn't have much weight high, such as a big
outboard on the transom, but if I wanted to be completely comfortable
driving long distance, I would ideally make the width of the tires no
less than the maximum width of the boat, give or take a few inches. If
building, material cost increase is reasonable for a foot wider axle and
frame.
adventures_in_astrophotography wrote:
1. Have you looked on ebay? Shot in the dark, but you may find one
close to you.
2. I forget where you are in Colorado, but if on the east side and you
don't mind driving, there is a guy (or 2?) in Kansas City that
frequently has boat trailers w/out boats and boat parts on ebay. I
called the guy once but never did buy. He was going to let me pick of
many trailers for a 17' boat for $200-400, depending on what I picked.
His number is 816-616-2904.
3. As I looked for the number for #2 on ebay, came across #4629857699 in
Elizabeth, CO, a 15' Catalina w/ "excellent" trailer, $500 current bid.
4. Personally I prefer at least 12" tires. I have a trailer now w/ 8"
tires and worry myself silly driving on the highway, even keeping it at
60 mph.
5. The price you quote for parts seems high. I've dealt with Champion
Trailers,http://www.championtrailers.comand was very please with
service and price.
6. I believe the key width measurement is outside to outside of the
tires. It's rare to see a boat on a trailer such that the boat is wider
than the outside of the tires by more than a few inches. It would
probably be ok to go a foot wider, maybe even 2 feet if the trailer is
very low to the trailer and doesn't have much weight high, such as a big
outboard on the transom, but if I wanted to be completely comfortable
driving long distance, I would ideally make the width of the tires no
less than the maximum width of the boat, give or take a few inches. If
building, material cost increase is reasonable for a foot wider axle and
frame.
adventures_in_astrophotography wrote:
>My Diablo rendition is so close to being done that I can already smell
>the fish. And from my shop I can see that the ice is off the lake
>early this year. She still needs a name, my wife having apparently
>vetoed "Salacious" for some reason having to do with "trolling" with my
>chick-magnet dog on board. On the downside, I have yet to rob a bank
>to buy a motor, and my search for a trailer has been frustrating to say
>the least.
>
>Used boat trailers without boats on them are almost unheard of in
>Colorado, so I went to a couple of dealers for pricing on new ones.
>The Shoreland'r dealer recommends the SLB14ATM for the princely sum of
>$1236.00. The Karavan dealer recommends a similar-looking model KM1250-
>56 at "about" $1100.00 "or so." These are 1400 lb. capacity trailers
>with 56" wide frames and 13" or 12" C-rated tires. I priced components
>to weld one up myself and came out at almost $1000.00 for a similar
>capacity NOT counting the steel for the frame. The second dealer also
>has some unassembled frames/tongues/running gear for a 44" wide (frame)
>trailer that has a capacity of 1200 lbs. that he'll let go for $600.00
>without a spare tire.
>
>My questions to Diablo owners and anyone else who cares to comment are
>thus:
>
>1) What size and capacity of trailer are you using, and with what size
>motor? I'm most interested in frame width, load capacity, and tire
>sizes folks are using successfully.
>
>2) Do you think the 44" frame trailer will do the job for my usual 5-
>mile dirt road trip to the lake? How about a 6-hour long haul to
>McConnaughy?
>
>Thanks in advance for the help. Latest web site update for this boat
>coming soon!
>
>Jon Kolb
>www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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My Diablo rendition is so close to being done that I can already smell
the fish. And from my shop I can see that the ice is off the lake
early this year. She still needs a name, my wife having apparently
vetoed "Salacious" for some reason having to do with "trolling" with my
chick-magnet dog on board. On the downside, I have yet to rob a bank
to buy a motor, and my search for a trailer has been frustrating to say
the least.
Used boat trailers without boats on them are almost unheard of in
Colorado, so I went to a couple of dealers for pricing on new ones.
The Shoreland'r dealer recommends the SLB14ATM for the princely sum of
$1236.00. The Karavan dealer recommends a similar-looking model KM1250-
56 at "about" $1100.00 "or so." These are 1400 lb. capacity trailers
with 56" wide frames and 13" or 12" C-rated tires. I priced components
to weld one up myself and came out at almost $1000.00 for a similar
capacity NOT counting the steel for the frame. The second dealer also
has some unassembled frames/tongues/running gear for a 44" wide (frame)
trailer that has a capacity of 1200 lbs. that he'll let go for $600.00
without a spare tire.
My questions to Diablo owners and anyone else who cares to comment are
thus:
1) What size and capacity of trailer are you using, and with what size
motor? I'm most interested in frame width, load capacity, and tire
sizes folks are using successfully.
2) Do you think the 44" frame trailer will do the job for my usual 5-
mile dirt road trip to the lake? How about a 6-hour long haul to
McConnaughy?
Thanks in advance for the help. Latest web site update for this boat
coming soon!
Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
the fish. And from my shop I can see that the ice is off the lake
early this year. She still needs a name, my wife having apparently
vetoed "Salacious" for some reason having to do with "trolling" with my
chick-magnet dog on board. On the downside, I have yet to rob a bank
to buy a motor, and my search for a trailer has been frustrating to say
the least.
Used boat trailers without boats on them are almost unheard of in
Colorado, so I went to a couple of dealers for pricing on new ones.
The Shoreland'r dealer recommends the SLB14ATM for the princely sum of
$1236.00. The Karavan dealer recommends a similar-looking model KM1250-
56 at "about" $1100.00 "or so." These are 1400 lb. capacity trailers
with 56" wide frames and 13" or 12" C-rated tires. I priced components
to weld one up myself and came out at almost $1000.00 for a similar
capacity NOT counting the steel for the frame. The second dealer also
has some unassembled frames/tongues/running gear for a 44" wide (frame)
trailer that has a capacity of 1200 lbs. that he'll let go for $600.00
without a spare tire.
My questions to Diablo owners and anyone else who cares to comment are
thus:
1) What size and capacity of trailer are you using, and with what size
motor? I'm most interested in frame width, load capacity, and tire
sizes folks are using successfully.
2) Do you think the 44" frame trailer will do the job for my usual 5-
mile dirt road trip to the lake? How about a 6-hour long haul to
McConnaughy?
Thanks in advance for the help. Latest web site update for this boat
coming soon!
Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm