Re: Dovekie Retrospective
Nels:
Virtually identical, except the Dugong has a slightly larger sail and
a sprit boom.
Don't know how much lighter Camper could be made as I suspect like
Birdwatcher it relies on a heavy bottom for ballast. Other than that
it should make an excellent EC boat. It uses Matt Layden's lesson
that too few competitors seem to have picked up on -- being in a boat
that protects the crew from the elements (including harsh sunight)
preserves their energy and lets them carry on longer.
Random thoughts abouth other pros and cons:
Bolger has written that a forward centerboard enhances control when
broad reaching and running in strong winds, and we had a lot of that
this year. Conversely, the flat bottom can pound a lot when beating,
of which we had little this year. I'd equip it with a scull or
yuloh 'cause you can't row it under the narrow and low bridge to
checkpoint one. Likewise, there might be times you have to row into a
stiff wind (up the river to checkpoint 1, and in the narrow channels
of Florida Bay) & that raised deck will add a lot of resistance. If
you're competing with a crew, make sure there are two sets of oars so
both can row together, if necessary.
Sounds like you're thinking about being on the beach at Mullet Key
next year...
Gary
Virtually identical, except the Dugong has a slightly larger sail and
a sprit boom.
Don't know how much lighter Camper could be made as I suspect like
Birdwatcher it relies on a heavy bottom for ballast. Other than that
it should make an excellent EC boat. It uses Matt Layden's lesson
that too few competitors seem to have picked up on -- being in a boat
that protects the crew from the elements (including harsh sunight)
preserves their energy and lets them carry on longer.
Random thoughts abouth other pros and cons:
Bolger has written that a forward centerboard enhances control when
broad reaching and running in strong winds, and we had a lot of that
this year. Conversely, the flat bottom can pound a lot when beating,
of which we had little this year. I'd equip it with a scull or
yuloh 'cause you can't row it under the narrow and low bridge to
checkpoint one. Likewise, there might be times you have to row into a
stiff wind (up the river to checkpoint 1, and in the narrow channels
of Florida Bay) & that raised deck will add a lot of resistance. If
you're competing with a crew, make sure there are two sets of oars so
both can row together, if necessary.
Sounds like you're thinking about being on the beach at Mullet Key
next year...
Gary
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@...> wrote:
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "gbship" <gbship@> wrote:
> > Nels:
> > The Ida Little boat is Cruising Canoe, chapter 8 in Different
Boats.
> > It's Design #365. 26' long, 5' 4* beam, low, four-sided sprit
rig.
> > Bolger says Dovekie would be faster on the wind because of its
mroe
> > efficient saile, but this one would be capable in the right
> conditions
> > of some spectacular off the wind passages.
> >
> > Neat boat. I was looking at it the other day, thinking it might
be
> the
> > maximum practical size for an Everglades Challenge . . .
> >
> > Gary
> >
>
> Hi Lug,
>
> Seems to my eye that the boat design accompanying rig #23 in 100
Small
> Boat rigs looks a lot like Dugong.
>
> What do you think about the upgraded version of Camper - listed
> as "Camper Daysailer" here:
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/files/
>
> A super lightweight version for the EC?
>
> Nels
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "gbship" <gbship@...> wrote:
Seems to my eye that the boat design accompanying rig #23 in 100 Small
Boat rigs looks a lot like Dugong.
What do you think about the upgraded version of Camper - listed
as "Camper Daysailer" here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/files/
A super lightweight version for the EC?
Nels
> Nels:conditions
> The Ida Little boat is Cruising Canoe, chapter 8 in Different Boats.
> It's Design #365. 26' long, 5' 4* beam, low, four-sided sprit rig.
> Bolger says Dovekie would be faster on the wind because of its mroe
> efficient saile, but this one would be capable in the right
> of some spectacular off the wind passages.the
>
> Neat boat. I was looking at it the other day, thinking it might be
> maximum practical size for an Everglades Challenge . . .Hi Lug,
>
> Gary
>
Seems to my eye that the boat design accompanying rig #23 in 100 Small
Boat rigs looks a lot like Dugong.
What do you think about the upgraded version of Camper - listed
as "Camper Daysailer" here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/files/
A super lightweight version for the EC?
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "gbship" <gbship@...> wrote:
Bolger remarked that they were sailing it loose-footed, without the
sprit boom which affected the performance.
BTW congrats on the EC and I really enjoyed the Duckworks article. The
maps with the GPS tracks were a nice touch:-)
Nels
>> Nels:conditions
> The Ida Little boat is Cruising Canoe, chapter 8 in Different Boats.
> It's Design #365. 26' long, 5' 4* beam, low, four-sided sprit rig.
> Bolger says Dovekie would be faster on the wind because of its mroe
> efficient saile, but this one would be capable in the right
> of some spectacular off the wind passages.the
>
> Neat boat. I was looking at it the other day, thinking it might be
> maximum practical size for an Everglades Challenge . . .Yes, I remembered after posting. It was called Dugong. In the article
>
> Gary
>
Bolger remarked that they were sailing it loose-footed, without the
sprit boom which affected the performance.
BTW congrats on the EC and I really enjoyed the Duckworks article. The
maps with the GPS tracks were a nice touch:-)
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@...> wrote:
The Ida Little boat is Cruising Canoe, chapter 8 in Different Boats.
It's Design #365. 26' long, 5' 4* beam, low, four-sided sprit rig.
Bolger says Dovekie would be faster on the wind because of its mroe
efficient saile, but this one would be capable in the right conditions
of some spectacular off the wind passages.
Neat boat. I was looking at it the other day, thinking it might be the
maximum practical size for an Everglades Challenge . . .
Gary
>Nels:
> I added a folder with the above title to Bolger7. I believe it would
> be of interest to both Dovekie and Birdwatcher fans. In the article
> PCB mentions design #344 as being the first commission of a homebuilt
> version of Dovekie. Was that the one Ida Little wrote about in SBJ
> many years ago I wonder? I cold-molded version? That was the first
> Bolger design that caught my attention. It looked gorgeous to me.
>
The Ida Little boat is Cruising Canoe, chapter 8 in Different Boats.
It's Design #365. 26' long, 5' 4* beam, low, four-sided sprit rig.
Bolger says Dovekie would be faster on the wind because of its mroe
efficient saile, but this one would be capable in the right conditions
of some spectacular off the wind passages.
Neat boat. I was looking at it the other day, thinking it might be the
maximum practical size for an Everglades Challenge . . .
Gary
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pep cruells" <pepcruells@...> wrote:
You have to join.
Nels
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger7/
> Sorry but I can't find this Bolger 7, where is it?
>
> pep
You have to join.
Nels
Sorry but I can't find this Bolger 7, where is it?
pep
pep
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@...> wrote:
>
> I added a folder with the above title to Bolger7. I believe it
I added a folder with the above title to Bolger7. I believe it would
be of interest to both Dovekie and Birdwatcher fans. In the article
PCB mentions design #344 as being the first commission of a homebuilt
version of Dovekie. Was that the one Ida Little wrote about in SBJ
many years ago I wonder? I cold-molded version? That was the first
Bolger design that caught my attention. It looked gorgeous to me.
Also Bolger mentioned that he tried to convince Edey & Duff to re-tool
the Dovkie and Shearwater designs with the Birdwatcher raised deck,
but instead they phased out the designs altogether since "more
conservative designs were easier to sell".
Great write-up of the history of this ground-breaking concept that Mr.
Bolger considers a revolution of sorts. "No more capsizings in
beachable boats,"
So does this mean that the Light Schooner series need Birwatcher
decking now? Or does one put a schooner rig on a Birdwatcher? Is that
what Derek Waters is up to buying Lexan by the sheet full?
Or is he Navigatorizing his Micro?
Nels
P.S. I also added a folder comparing a photo of a Micro and a Long
Micro to demonstrate the size comparison, but it did not come out too
well.
be of interest to both Dovekie and Birdwatcher fans. In the article
PCB mentions design #344 as being the first commission of a homebuilt
version of Dovekie. Was that the one Ida Little wrote about in SBJ
many years ago I wonder? I cold-molded version? That was the first
Bolger design that caught my attention. It looked gorgeous to me.
Also Bolger mentioned that he tried to convince Edey & Duff to re-tool
the Dovkie and Shearwater designs with the Birdwatcher raised deck,
but instead they phased out the designs altogether since "more
conservative designs were easier to sell".
Great write-up of the history of this ground-breaking concept that Mr.
Bolger considers a revolution of sorts. "No more capsizings in
beachable boats,"
So does this mean that the Light Schooner series need Birwatcher
decking now? Or does one put a schooner rig on a Birdwatcher? Is that
what Derek Waters is up to buying Lexan by the sheet full?
Or is he Navigatorizing his Micro?
Nels
P.S. I also added a folder comparing a photo of a Micro and a Long
Micro to demonstrate the size comparison, but it did not come out too
well.