Re: Tennesse; Comments on Performance
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Chester" <chester@...> wrote:
I'll try to post some photos of the scale model in the study plans
section. I am making mine with an open bow as you are considering.
There will be a hatch on the cabin top front and a door on the front
of the cabin. There will be athwartship seats in the bow. From
inside the cabin people will be able to sleep in the same designed
area with their feet under the seats. I also added 2 1/2' to the
stern for a rounded drake tail like transom. Looks really nice. I
curved the cabin top and the decks a bit. I eliminated the external
chines--now it has internal chines and three layers of 9oz tape on
the outside plus a layer of Dynel over the whole hull. Otherwise,
the overall lines are exactly the same as stock. I think I'm going
to add a windshield and cockpit top as seen on your boat.
Another drastic change is that I'm installing a 22hp inboard diesel
and zf-hurth 2:1 reduction box to a 14" propeller driven between
1200 and 1500 rpm. The motor weighs 200lbs, the tranny 25, and the
additional hardware comes in just under 100lbs. The motor is
installed directly behind the cockpit. Eventually, I plan to use
bio-diesel and waste vegetable oil--but that's next years work.
This year I just want to cruise! My goal was maximum fuel economy
with a vessel that could carry my five person family and two large
dogs--and still look sort of old fashioned.
I budgeted the whole project at $5500, and so far I'm on target.
But it's been difficult to keep costs down. I got the motor unused
as a take out for a fraction of its cost (1600$ instead of 5800$)
and lots of good parts from ebay really cheap. The hull is marine
ply sides, and MDO bottom. I still need to put the decks on and am
considering my options.
My question to you, Chester, is (if you don't mind telling us) how
much does a used Tennie go for? And also, how thick is the bottom
of yours? Is it 3/4"? The idea of a holed bottom is alarming. I
also hope you can share more pictures (lots) of your cool boat. In
fact, I'd like to see more discussion of this great design in
general, especially from people who have one.
Timothy James
>Great looking Tennie. I'm building a Tennie in Washington state.
> Chester,
I'll try to post some photos of the scale model in the study plans
section. I am making mine with an open bow as you are considering.
There will be a hatch on the cabin top front and a door on the front
of the cabin. There will be athwartship seats in the bow. From
inside the cabin people will be able to sleep in the same designed
area with their feet under the seats. I also added 2 1/2' to the
stern for a rounded drake tail like transom. Looks really nice. I
curved the cabin top and the decks a bit. I eliminated the external
chines--now it has internal chines and three layers of 9oz tape on
the outside plus a layer of Dynel over the whole hull. Otherwise,
the overall lines are exactly the same as stock. I think I'm going
to add a windshield and cockpit top as seen on your boat.
Another drastic change is that I'm installing a 22hp inboard diesel
and zf-hurth 2:1 reduction box to a 14" propeller driven between
1200 and 1500 rpm. The motor weighs 200lbs, the tranny 25, and the
additional hardware comes in just under 100lbs. The motor is
installed directly behind the cockpit. Eventually, I plan to use
bio-diesel and waste vegetable oil--but that's next years work.
This year I just want to cruise! My goal was maximum fuel economy
with a vessel that could carry my five person family and two large
dogs--and still look sort of old fashioned.
I budgeted the whole project at $5500, and so far I'm on target.
But it's been difficult to keep costs down. I got the motor unused
as a take out for a fraction of its cost (1600$ instead of 5800$)
and lots of good parts from ebay really cheap. The hull is marine
ply sides, and MDO bottom. I still need to put the decks on and am
considering my options.
My question to you, Chester, is (if you don't mind telling us) how
much does a used Tennie go for? And also, how thick is the bottom
of yours? Is it 3/4"? The idea of a holed bottom is alarming. I
also hope you can share more pictures (lots) of your cool boat. In
fact, I'd like to see more discussion of this great design in
general, especially from people who have one.
Timothy James
The Idaho and Clam Skiff are very similar. The Idaho (31') being like
a stretched Clam Skiff. They can be built with lots of open area. They
don't have the rockered bottom of the Tenn. so are faster. The big
draw back is that they are only 5 feet wide instead of the Tenn. 6
feet.
Let us know what Mr. Bolger says.
chodges
a stretched Clam Skiff. They can be built with lots of open area. They
don't have the rockered bottom of the Tenn. so are faster. The big
draw back is that they are only 5 feet wide instead of the Tenn. 6
feet.
Let us know what Mr. Bolger says.
chodges
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Chester" <chester@...> wrote:
.......
> The majority of the forward cabin is a waste of space. There is way
> to much furniture for my preference. I would like to open up the
> front much like a clam skiff. (have letter to Phil Bolger
requesting
> information to purchase Tennesse plans first for review) I also
> think a pair of bunks with rubbermaid tubs underneath is the way to
> go, still need plans to see what the bulkhead design it intended to
> be. Most activity occurs in the cockpit, driving , cooking, eating,
> socializing, etc. (I am 6' and wife is 5'10").
> ......
> Caloosarat
>
To date I have run the Ester Mae over 800 miles during 130 hours of
run time. Purchased in late December of 2005. To date, all use has
been on the Caloosahatchee, the adjacent Pine Island Sound and
Matalacha Pass here in south Florida. Conditions have ranged from
flat calm to 25 knots plus. Driving solo (unusual), two passangers
(typical), with up to 11 on board, (happened during the tail end of
wicked front with winds in excess of 25 knots, on the river where it
narrows to less than one mile wide). There has been lots of run time
with 15 knots breeze, best either on the nose or following, abeam
makes for a continual rolling motion. At 12 mph minor pounding
occurs with light chop, nothing that is uncomfortable and certainly
not destructive. Running with wide open throttle she tools along at
12-13 mph getting 10 mpg. Several runs of over 30 miles one way have
proven this to be consistent. Do not have reliable data to determine
what mileage is at lower speeds. To date only one overnight outing
(Easter weekend at Cayo Costa, rafted up with sailing friends).
Short Comings:
when being passed by large vessels (40' plus for example) there is a
tendency to surf the wake, the bow starts to root and you will turn
which ever way it wants to. Not good. I now decrease speed and
either turn into or away from the wake, depending on where I want to
go and where the passing vessel is heading. This is typically easy
to discern as most 60'ers have to stay in the channel. On coming
boats are simple, turn into the bigger wakes and keep on keeping on.
The majority of the forward cabin is a waste of space. There is way
to much furniture for my preference. I would like to open up the
front much like a clam skiff. (have letter to Phil Bolger requesting
information to purchase Tennesse plans first for review) I also
think a pair of bunks with rubbermaid tubs underneath is the way to
go, still need plans to see what the bulkhead design it intended to
be. Most activity occurs in the cockpit, driving , cooking, eating,
socializing, etc. (I am 6' and wife is 5'10").
Being plywood it is easy to poke a hole into. Been there, done
that, in the process of fixing the hole. 'Experience' is what you
get when you do not get what you want. I ran up onto a submerged
piling at about 4 mph, slid onto the post up to the front of the
cockpit and then settled down onto it with a wave. It was shallow
enough (3-1/2')to get out and pick up the bow while my wife pushed
backwards. Proceeded to run the 8 miles home while only having to
bail out less than 20 gallons.
To date this has been an excellent vessel. Now going on 14 years old
and starting to have rot in places, this will give me a chance to
review some of the construction techniques used to build her. (along
with poking the ocassional hole)
Well worth what she cost. I estimate that I paid less than the cost
of materials with remote steering, throttle controls, 17 gallon
inboard tank, electrical system and 25 hp motor. Current plans
include a lot more overnighting, and general running around. Day
trips of 80 mile round trip are at the edge of the envelope of what
we plan on. Summer is here already and there will not be much in the
way of camping until next winter.
Caloosarat
run time. Purchased in late December of 2005. To date, all use has
been on the Caloosahatchee, the adjacent Pine Island Sound and
Matalacha Pass here in south Florida. Conditions have ranged from
flat calm to 25 knots plus. Driving solo (unusual), two passangers
(typical), with up to 11 on board, (happened during the tail end of
wicked front with winds in excess of 25 knots, on the river where it
narrows to less than one mile wide). There has been lots of run time
with 15 knots breeze, best either on the nose or following, abeam
makes for a continual rolling motion. At 12 mph minor pounding
occurs with light chop, nothing that is uncomfortable and certainly
not destructive. Running with wide open throttle she tools along at
12-13 mph getting 10 mpg. Several runs of over 30 miles one way have
proven this to be consistent. Do not have reliable data to determine
what mileage is at lower speeds. To date only one overnight outing
(Easter weekend at Cayo Costa, rafted up with sailing friends).
Short Comings:
when being passed by large vessels (40' plus for example) there is a
tendency to surf the wake, the bow starts to root and you will turn
which ever way it wants to. Not good. I now decrease speed and
either turn into or away from the wake, depending on where I want to
go and where the passing vessel is heading. This is typically easy
to discern as most 60'ers have to stay in the channel. On coming
boats are simple, turn into the bigger wakes and keep on keeping on.
The majority of the forward cabin is a waste of space. There is way
to much furniture for my preference. I would like to open up the
front much like a clam skiff. (have letter to Phil Bolger requesting
information to purchase Tennesse plans first for review) I also
think a pair of bunks with rubbermaid tubs underneath is the way to
go, still need plans to see what the bulkhead design it intended to
be. Most activity occurs in the cockpit, driving , cooking, eating,
socializing, etc. (I am 6' and wife is 5'10").
Being plywood it is easy to poke a hole into. Been there, done
that, in the process of fixing the hole. 'Experience' is what you
get when you do not get what you want. I ran up onto a submerged
piling at about 4 mph, slid onto the post up to the front of the
cockpit and then settled down onto it with a wave. It was shallow
enough (3-1/2')to get out and pick up the bow while my wife pushed
backwards. Proceeded to run the 8 miles home while only having to
bail out less than 20 gallons.
To date this has been an excellent vessel. Now going on 14 years old
and starting to have rot in places, this will give me a chance to
review some of the construction techniques used to build her. (along
with poking the ocassional hole)
Well worth what she cost. I estimate that I paid less than the cost
of materials with remote steering, throttle controls, 17 gallon
inboard tank, electrical system and 25 hp motor. Current plans
include a lot more overnighting, and general running around. Day
trips of 80 mile round trip are at the edge of the envelope of what
we plan on. Summer is here already and there will not be much in the
way of camping until next winter.
Caloosarat