RE: [bolger] Tennesse / design ideas / cost

Say no more about the construciton cost. Do not want to take the fun away.
Even repairing the hole is more fun than being at work.

By the way, speaking of money, if I were to keep the Esther Mae at the local
dry stack it runs $8.25/ft minimum, requires two months security along with
proof of insurance. That is the cheapest rate around. Many of the
facilities require purchase of a 'slip' and they cost upwards of $100,000
for a 30 footer along with membership fees and extra charges for exceeding
specific put in take out cycles. Esther Mae would calculate at 32'. What
are the rates in Sacramento? Here I will save enough on docking in two
years to almost cover what I paid for the boat. I am fortunate in that I
have access to a ramp and dockage with no fee.

Caloosarat

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Subject: Re: [bolger] Tennesse / design ideas / cost

> Springs for the dual axel trailer along with slides and installation was
> $500. The Topaz should weigh considerably more and therefore require a
> heavier trailer.

Well, if I recall correctly, Bolger has said that a single axle
trailer could do, but in my
experience, I tend to carry heavy gear, and would buy a double axle
for that reason. Still, I have not totally decided on buying a
trailer, and am seriously considering just hiring a flatbed to get her
to water and use the money saved to pay for dry marina storage in the
Sacramento delta.

The motor cost me < $5K used, of course. I bought Home Depot 5 ply
plywood, perhaps 30 sheets at $18 so far. Probably will end up buying
about 24 gallons of $60 epoxy, $500 of cloth, so yeah my hull cost
estimate of $2K is low, but $3K should cover it. It takes the fun
away to count money while building a boat.

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> Springs for the dual axel trailer along with slides and installation was
> $500. The Topaz should weigh considerably more and therefore require a
> heavier trailer.

It seems to me, without benefit of having built a Tennessee that the
material cost estimates are low. The replacement fuel water separator was
$17.00, plugs with two quarts of oil around $10.00, the inline fuel filter
was $5.00, I do not recall the cost on the oil filter, but it sure seemed to
me that I spent close to 35 - 40 just on standard maintenance items.
Granted I am not a bargain hunter but I must say I am impressed at the costs
I am hearing.

Springs for the dual axel trailer along with slides and installation was
$500. The Topaz should weigh considerably more and therefore require a
heavier trailer. I do not track costs. I do try to use cash in my pocket
as often as possible when buying stuff.

Caloosaman

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Subject: Re: [bolger] Tennesse / design ideas / cost

> I'm building a Tennie in Washington state.
> for? ...how thick is the bottom... The idea of a holed bottom is
> alarming. Timothy James

The 30 foot Tennessee is remarkably similar in size and shape as the
31 foot Topaz which I am building. On Topaz, Bolger specifies a
one inch plywood bottom with an 18" wide shoe (1 1/2" thick) running the
length of the bottom, for 2 1/2" effective thickness total.

I am not tracking the money on my build, but including everything
I am aiming for about $10K cost.

$5K motor, $2K hull, $2K trailer, $1K misc

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> I'm building a Tennie in Washington state.
> for? ...how thick is the bottom... The idea of a holed bottom is
> alarming. Timothy James

Timothy:
I would be interested in hearing how your building experience
evolves.
I feel validated that others would prefer the open bow concept, no
reason for it to be decked other than to prevent access. If it is
rough enough to drive the bow into a wave then you should not be out
in a Tennesse. I envy the addition of a drake tail, it could only
add
to the positve comments and thumbs up that we get while out and about.

I am tending to agree with the internal chine concept as that is
another long term issue I will be facing. The apparent construction
on the Esther Mae was to glass the hull then attach the chines, it
appears that not enough cloth was overlapped as I am having leakage
at the port chine where the cloth has pulled away from the hull and
delaminated off of the chine.

At first I thought that I would remove the top from the cockpit.
Four months of use this winter has changed my mind. It is an
obstruction when getting in and out, but the value of a roof over
head
for shade and the ability to close the canvas when cold is worth
dealing with the boarding issue. I frequently step onto the after
deck then into the cockpit and so do many of the less graceful
passengers.

A 14" wheel? I can motor into 6" of water and easily operate in 9".
You are comprimising one of the greatest virtues the Tennesse has to
offer with such a large wheel dictating the draft requirement. I
like the idea of fuel economy, and I am happy with what is achieved
with the 25hp four stroke. I would be mostly unconcerned with the
weight unless it's presence is an issue with the ability to get up on
a plane. Based on experience operating the Esther Mae I sould say
that occurs after 9mph, it is hard to tell as there is almost no
change in attitude from hull speed to planning.

Cost for the Esther Mae with boat, motor, trailer, GPS, and full
interior electrical 12v system with dual batteries $7200. I drove
from the test drive to her new berth, we spent the next week using
her while I had new springs installed on the trailer. To date I have
more after purchase expense in the trailer than the boat. That is a
testament to the conditon of the vessel.

I plan to drill the holes for use in clamping the floor back in
place this evening so I do not know what exactly the bottom is,
although from the stiffness of ride I suspect two sheets of 5/8" or
1/2". I will let you know. The hole in the bottom is not as
alarming as it sounds. It punched through one sheet and the second
sheet erupted at the point of contact. I plan to carry a selection
of plywood pieces with holes drilled into the perimeter for future
encounters. It would have been a bummer to have to cut Easter
weekend short due to a hole in the boat. I strongly recomend a plan
for what to do when things go bump-crunch. The boat came with a
couple of hand operated bilge pumps. We used a bucket and pan to
bail as there just was not enough water coming in to deploy the bilge
pump and from the inside there was no way to stop the flow.

Caloosarat

I'm building a Tennie in Washington state. ...with an open bow...
added 2 1/2' to the stern for a rounded drake tail... eliminated the
external chines... add a windshield and cockpit top as seen on your
boat. ... installing a 22hp inboard diesel... to a 14"
propeller ...
I budgeted the whole project at $5500...
(if you don't mind telling us) how much does a used Tennie go
for? ...how thick is the bottom... The idea of a holed bottom is
alarming. Timothy James