Re: Queen Mab Plans
Phil Bolger drew the plans for the Queen Mab to be built using glued
lap ply and molds that became part of the finished hull.
I "smoothed " out the station mold lines in order to build it out of
cedar strips and ended up with a hull without any interior support
structure.
dave thibodeau
lap ply and molds that became part of the finished hull.
I "smoothed " out the station mold lines in order to build it out of
cedar strips and ended up with a hull without any interior support
structure.
dave thibodeau
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> Is there a table of offsets for this design. Or how are the plans
> written up?
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> How many station molds are required for strip planking? Every foot?
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> Thanks, Nels
>
Phil Bolger drew the plans for the Queen Mab to be built using glued
lap ply and molds that became part of the finished hull.
I "smoothed " out the station mold lines in order to build it out of
cedar strips and ended up with a hull without any interior support
structure.
dave thibodeau
lap ply and molds that became part of the finished hull.
I "smoothed " out the station mold lines in order to build it out of
cedar strips and ended up with a hull without any interior support
structure.
dave thibodeau
>
> Is there a table of offsets for this design. Or how are the plans
> written up?
>
> How many station molds are required for strip planking? Every foot?
>
> Thanks, Nels
>
Just Ducky was not a tippy boat, one of the things you have to
consider is your own weight, Just Ducky was sailed by several people
weighing over 200 pounds but it sat pretty low in the water, I often
wondered what the boat would be like if it were 4 to 6 inches wider.
I would certainly recommend strip planking over any other method of
construction to get the boat down to minimum weight, at 28 pounds the
Just Ducky could be easily carred in one hand !!. I personally do not
know of any Queen Mab constructed using glued lap ply as Bolger
specified that weighed less than 45 pounds.
Phil Bolger sells a video of me sailing the Just Ducky from his dock
in Gloucester Mass, the video runs about 30 minutes and is just
duducky if I have to offer an opinion.daDave thibodeau:
consider is your own weight, Just Ducky was sailed by several people
weighing over 200 pounds but it sat pretty low in the water, I often
wondered what the boat would be like if it were 4 to 6 inches wider.
I would certainly recommend strip planking over any other method of
construction to get the boat down to minimum weight, at 28 pounds the
Just Ducky could be easily carred in one hand !!. I personally do not
know of any Queen Mab constructed using glued lap ply as Bolger
specified that weighed less than 45 pounds.
Phil Bolger sells a video of me sailing the Just Ducky from his dock
in Gloucester Mass, the video runs about 30 minutes and is just
duducky if I have to offer an opinion.daDave thibodeau:
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> A couple of pictures of Dave's Queen Mab on the web for those who are
> curious:
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>http://mkstocks.tripod.com/boats/queen_mab/index.htm
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> I love this little boat. Was she very tippy? Ever have to worry about
> getting dumped in the water by a strong breeze?
>
> I asked Jim Michalak if he'd be interested in designing a
> stitch-and-glue version. He said he'd think about it. If not, I may
> have a go at strip-planking the Bolger original.
>
> Garth
>
How much are the plans for Queen Mab?
Kenneth Grome
Bagacay Boatworks
Kenneth Grome
Bagacay Boatworks
A couple of pictures of Dave's Queen Mab on the web for those who are
curious:
http://mkstocks.tripod.com/boats/queen_mab/index.htm
I love this little boat. Was she very tippy? Ever have to worry about
getting dumped in the water by a strong breeze?
I asked Jim Michalak if he'd be interested in designing a
stitch-and-glue version. He said he'd think about it. If not, I may
have a go at strip-planking the Bolger original.
Garth
curious:
http://mkstocks.tripod.com/boats/queen_mab/index.htm
I love this little boat. Was she very tippy? Ever have to worry about
getting dumped in the water by a strong breeze?
I asked Jim Michalak if he'd be interested in designing a
stitch-and-glue version. He said he'd think about it. If not, I may
have a go at strip-planking the Bolger original.
Garth
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "davejthib" <davejthib@...> wrote:
written up?
How many station molds are required for strip planking? Every foot?
Thanks, Nels
>Is there a table of offsets for this design. Or how are the plans
> I sold my Just Ducky to a gentleman in Rhode Island who keeps it
> standing in the corner of his dining room as a piece of furniture
> when he is not sailing her.
written up?
How many station molds are required for strip planking? Every foot?
Thanks, Nels
I sold my Just Ducky to aq gentleman in Rhode Island who keeps it
standing in the corner of his dining room as a piece of furniture
when he is not sdailing her.
I would STRONGLY recommend you do not purse the folding mast as
shown on the plans, just doesn't work out in real life and adds a
lot of complexity to the rig. Get a good sail made, not just a piece
of straight cloth. I personally found that as designed the sailors
weight was too far forward and I moved the seat back six inches
which made the boat balance on her lines much better.. Be careful
sailin such a small boat in crowded waterways, you cannot be seen by
yoyos in flying bridges of big motor boats.
dave thibodeau
standing in the corner of his dining room as a piece of furniture
when he is not sdailing her.
I would STRONGLY recommend you do not purse the folding mast as
shown on the plans, just doesn't work out in real life and adds a
lot of complexity to the rig. Get a good sail made, not just a piece
of straight cloth. I personally found that as designed the sailors
weight was too far forward and I moved the seat back six inches
which made the boat balance on her lines much better.. Be careful
sailin such a small boat in crowded waterways, you cannot be seen by
yoyos in flying bridges of big motor boats.
dave thibodeau
>you know
> Thank you for that. That weight sounds about right. I will let
> the final weight. Are you still enjoying you Queen Mab? Anysailing tips?
>cedar
> Mike
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> From: "davejthib" <davejthib@...>
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> Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 8:53 PM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Fibreglass Queen Mab
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> >I am the builder of the first Queen Mab which I built using 1/4
> > strips and covered with 4 oz fiberglass cloth inside and out.fittings
> >
> > My FINISHED hull weighed 28 pounds.
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> > I think you will add 10 pounds the deck, centerboard, and
> >>its
> >> I popped a modified for fibreglass (GRP) Queen Mab hull out of
> > mould Monday and the hull alone without anything added was 26.5pounds
> > or 12 kg. It had two light coats of gel coat, a layer of 225 gsmand
> > two layers of 600 gsm chopped mat.flogging dead
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> What $'s do you think one would sell for in Brisbane?Hypothetically, the professionals think just under $2000 because of its
size.
Should be good
> on the river, or down the coast etc. A many coloured fleet at playThe hull does about 3.5 kts so you would have to be sure you would make way
> would look nice.
against the tide or use the tide to advantage.
Apart from the tabernacle, is'nt that the same rig
> as the Peero 12?It seems to be. QM is 30sq ft of area and is Gaff rigged.
Peero has a reputation for tippiness, this boat
> should be more stable under sail and paddle well. Bolger's commentI think I recall Jones saying the Tuckahoe was tender.
> that just leaning to the side in this boat is akin to hiking out in
> another reminds me of Tom Firth Jones' comments about his Tuckahoe
> 10 design in comparison to a Sabot (Toro). I cant look in his book
> just now, but QM seems similar IIRC to the T10 only it was a bit
> longer, many chined, daggerboard and sprit rigged - and Jones liked
> it a lot.
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> Cheers
> Mike
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <mikeboatman@...> wrote:
I see you've already posted some info on QM in Bolger Cartoons
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/files/Queen%20Mab/
thanks for that. I had her confused with some other small sailboat.
What $'s do you think one would sell for in Brisbane? Should be good
on the river, or down the coast etc. A many coloured fleet at play
would look nice. Apart from the tabernacle, is'nt that the same rig
as the Peero 12? Peero has a reputation for tippiness, this boat
should be more stable under sail and paddle well. Bolger's comment
that just leaning to the side in this boat is akin to hiking out in
another reminds me of Tom Firth Jones' comments about his Tuckahoe
10 design in comparison to a Sabot (Toro). I cant look in his book
just now, but QM seems similar IIRC to the T10 only it was a bit
longer, many chined, daggerboard and sprit rigged - and Jones liked
it a lot.
Cheers
Graeme
>Might have a race. After that I am not sure. I might sell the mouldHi Mike,
>or I might build some more as a hobby... company...
I see you've already posted some info on QM in Bolger Cartoons
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/files/Queen%20Mab/
thanks for that. I had her confused with some other small sailboat.
What $'s do you think one would sell for in Brisbane? Should be good
on the river, or down the coast etc. A many coloured fleet at play
would look nice. Apart from the tabernacle, is'nt that the same rig
as the Peero 12? Peero has a reputation for tippiness, this boat
should be more stable under sail and paddle well. Bolger's comment
that just leaning to the side in this boat is akin to hiking out in
another reminds me of Tom Firth Jones' comments about his Tuckahoe
10 design in comparison to a Sabot (Toro). I cant look in his book
just now, but QM seems similar IIRC to the T10 only it was a bit
longer, many chined, daggerboard and sprit rigged - and Jones liked
it a lot.
Cheers
Graeme
Thank you for that. That weight sounds about right. I will let you know
the final weight. Are you still enjoying you Queen Mab? Any sailing tips?
Mike
the final weight. Are you still enjoying you Queen Mab? Any sailing tips?
Mike
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From: "davejthib" <davejthib@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 8:53 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Fibreglass Queen Mab
>I am the builder of the first Queen Mab which I built using 1/4 cedar
> strips and covered with 4 oz fiberglass cloth inside and out.
>
> My FINISHED hull weighed 28 pounds.
>
> I think you will add 10 pounds the deck, centerboard, and fittings
>>
>> I popped a modified for fibreglass (GRP) Queen Mab hull out of its
> mould Monday and the hull alone without anything added was 26.5 pounds
> or 12 kg. It had two light coats of gel coat, a layer of 225 gsm and
> two layers of 600 gsm chopped mat.
>>
>> Mike
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I am the builder of the first Queen Mab which I built using 1/4 cedar
strips and covered with 4 oz fiberglass cloth inside and out.
My FINISHED hull weighed 28 pounds.
I think you will add 10 pounds the deck, centerboard, and fittings
or 12 kg. It had two light coats of gel coat, a layer of 225 gsm and
two layers of 600 gsm chopped mat.
strips and covered with 4 oz fiberglass cloth inside and out.
My FINISHED hull weighed 28 pounds.
I think you will add 10 pounds the deck, centerboard, and fittings
>mould Monday and the hull alone without anything added was 26.5 pounds
> I popped a modified for fibreglass (GRP) Queen Mab hull out of its
or 12 kg. It had two light coats of gel coat, a layer of 225 gsm and
two layers of 600 gsm chopped mat.
>
> Mike
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The hull alone weighed 26.5 pounds. The weight surprised me. I thought about
20 kgs. The gel coat is a bit thin as I have glass mat visible outside under
light from the inside. Could have used another kilo of gel coat.
I had to alter the bow a bit, widen the skeg and taper it otherwise the
glassing and release would have been very hard. Phil thinks it looks okay
but he said I would need a thicker rudder to compensate and to avoid
turbulence between the rudder and the skeg, which can cause steering
problems.
As you can see, I am in the process of building a plug for a deck. I'll post
better photos when I remove the deck and turn the hull over but it has to
stay put for now.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger5/files/GRP%20Queen%20Mab/in Bolger5.
Ply boats are hard to sell in Australia I feel. I built it in glass so I
would resell it easier later if necessary. The plan might have been to build
one, sell the mould and have a free boat but the plug was complicated and at
the end professionals had to be involved so it cost a bit. I plan to build
two, one for me and another for my nephew. Might have a race. After that I
am not sure. I might sell the mould or I might build some more as a hobby.
Something failing after sale worries me with litigation the way it is,
especially if there is personal injury. Getting insurance is very hard, as
no broker has even got back to me with an offer of a policy. Lawyers think
an as is disclaimer not much use, depends on the judge. Their suggestion
was to form a company!
So for now I finish it and go sailing. The Queensland, Australia Autumn sun
is great now and it is very dry at about 46% humidity and 24 degrees.
http://www.weatherzone.com.au/local/local.jsp?obs=94576&fcast=94578&img=radar&rad=050&pcode=4000.
The bad news is Brisbane water supply is at 31% and no rain in sight. We are
close to level 3 water restrictions, which means no hoses, just buckets. No
filling swimming pools either.
20 kgs. The gel coat is a bit thin as I have glass mat visible outside under
light from the inside. Could have used another kilo of gel coat.
I had to alter the bow a bit, widen the skeg and taper it otherwise the
glassing and release would have been very hard. Phil thinks it looks okay
but he said I would need a thicker rudder to compensate and to avoid
turbulence between the rudder and the skeg, which can cause steering
problems.
As you can see, I am in the process of building a plug for a deck. I'll post
better photos when I remove the deck and turn the hull over but it has to
stay put for now.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger5/files/GRP%20Queen%20Mab/in Bolger5.
Ply boats are hard to sell in Australia I feel. I built it in glass so I
would resell it easier later if necessary. The plan might have been to build
one, sell the mould and have a free boat but the plug was complicated and at
the end professionals had to be involved so it cost a bit. I plan to build
two, one for me and another for my nephew. Might have a race. After that I
am not sure. I might sell the mould or I might build some more as a hobby.
Something failing after sale worries me with litigation the way it is,
especially if there is personal injury. Getting insurance is very hard, as
no broker has even got back to me with an offer of a policy. Lawyers think
an as is disclaimer not much use, depends on the judge. Their suggestion
was to form a company!
So for now I finish it and go sailing. The Queensland, Australia Autumn sun
is great now and it is very dry at about 46% humidity and 24 degrees.
http://www.weatherzone.com.au/local/local.jsp?obs=94576&fcast=94578&img=radar&rad=050&pcode=4000.
The bad news is Brisbane water supply is at 31% and no rain in sight. We are
close to level 3 water restrictions, which means no hoses, just buckets. No
filling swimming pools either.
> Queen Mab is certainly a small boat, but I'm really amazed that in GRP it
> only weights 26.5 pounds. Does this include the decks? Please post some
> pix!
>
> I really like Queen Mab by the way, it's a neat one-man sailboat. Are you
> going to manufacture and sell them, is that why you built the mould?
>
> Kenneth Grome
> Bagacay Boatworks
> On Thu, 4 May 2006 12:18:46 +1000, Mike wrote:
>> I popped a modified for fibreglass (GRP) Queen Mab hull out of its
>> mould Monday and the hull alone without anything added was 26.5
>> pounds or 12 kg. It had two light coats of gel coat, a layer of 225
>> gsm and two layers of 600 gsm chopped mat.
>
>
> I popped a modified for fibreglass (GRP) Queen Mab hull out of its mould Monday and the hull alone without anything added was 26.5 pounds or 12 kg.Wow, I am impressed! Of course, I ditto the request for pictures.
On Thu, 4 May 2006 12:18:46 +1000, Mike wrote:
I really like Queen Mab by the way, it's a neat one-man sailboat. Are you going to manufacture and sell them, is that why you built the mould?
Kenneth Grome
Bagacay Boatworks
> I popped a modified for fibreglass (GRP) Queen Mab hull out of itsQueen Mab is certainly a small boat, but I'm really amazed that in GRP it only weights 26.5 pounds. Does this include the decks? Please post some pix!
> mould Monday and the hull alone without anything added was 26.5
> pounds or 12 kg. It had two light coats of gel coat, a layer of 225
> gsm and two layers of 600 gsm chopped mat.
I really like Queen Mab by the way, it's a neat one-man sailboat. Are you going to manufacture and sell them, is that why you built the mould?
Kenneth Grome
Bagacay Boatworks
I popped a modified for fibreglass (GRP) Queen Mab hull out of its mould Monday and the hull alone without anything added was 26.5 pounds or 12 kg. It had two light coats of gel coat, a layer of 225 gsm and two layers of 600 gsm chopped mat.
Mike
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Mike
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