Re: [bolger] Re: Chebacco, building costs
> Would the family prefer ...Well, what to do with that big pile of boats accumulating in the backyard?
> LOL!
>
> Tony.
Hi guys,
That is exactly the attitude to take IMHO. Enjoy every challenging minute of the process! :)
Would the family prefer us to be out boozing, gambling and other-stuff-ing?
LOL!
Tony.
bh100014 <ben.ho@...> wrote:
I understand. The fun part the journey itslef. Except when there are
other pressure such as the family demanding to have the garage back
for its 'normal' use...
Ben
That is exactly the attitude to take IMHO. Enjoy every challenging minute of the process! :)
Would the family prefer us to be out boozing, gambling and other-stuff-ing?
LOL!
Tony.
bh100014 <ben.ho@...> wrote:
I understand. The fun part the journey itslef. Except when there are
other pressure such as the family demanding to have the garage back
for its 'normal' use...
Ben
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "derbyrm" <derbyrm@...> wrote:
>
> Completing the boat????
>
> My son made a similar suggestion, like, when do we go sailing.
NO, NO,
> NO!!! The idea is to build a boat. If (when) I finish it, I'll
have to
> select another, build a model, make drawings that clarify, etc.
etc. etc.
>
> Roger (probably a year away from launch, but I expect to turn the
hull this
> summer)
> derbyrm@...
>http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "bh100014" <ben.ho@...>
> To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 8:30 PM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Chebacco, building costs
>
>
> <snip>
> > By the way, Roger, how far off are you from completing your boat?
> >
> > Ben
>
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I understand. The fun part the journey itslef. Except when there are
other pressure such as the family demanding to have the garage back
for its 'normal' use...
Ben
other pressure such as the family demanding to have the garage back
for its 'normal' use...
Ben
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "derbyrm" <derbyrm@...> wrote:
>
> Completing the boat????
>
> My son made a similar suggestion, like, when do we go sailing.
NO, NO,
> NO!!! The idea is to build a boat. If (when) I finish it, I'll
have to
> select another, build a model, make drawings that clarify, etc.
etc. etc.
>
> Roger (probably a year away from launch, but I expect to turn the
hull this
> summer)
> derbyrm@...
>http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "bh100014" <ben.ho@...>
> To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 8:30 PM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Chebacco, building costs
>
>
> <snip>
> > By the way, Roger, how far off are you from completing your boat?
> >
> > Ben
>
It's a well known fact that if you could buy enough pizza you could move a
mountain. It only takes a few to turn a boat. <g> Save the beer until the
job is done...
mountain. It only takes a few to turn a boat. <g> Save the beer until the
job is done...
On Thu, 25 May 2006 19:26:06 -0700, Jamie wrote:
> Hi Ben,
>
> When it was time to turn over, I called up 8 friends and invited
> them over....
--
John <jkohnen@...>
A paranoid is a man who knows a little of what's going on. <William
Burroughs>
Completing the boat????
My son made a similar suggestion, like, when do we go sailing. NO, NO,
NO!!! The idea is to build a boat. If (when) I finish it, I'll have to
select another, build a model, make drawings that clarify, etc. etc. etc.
Roger (probably a year away from launch, but I expect to turn the hull this
summer)
derbyrm@...
http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm
My son made a similar suggestion, like, when do we go sailing. NO, NO,
NO!!! The idea is to build a boat. If (when) I finish it, I'll have to
select another, build a model, make drawings that clarify, etc. etc. etc.
Roger (probably a year away from launch, but I expect to turn the hull this
summer)
derbyrm@...
http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm
----- Original Message -----
From: "bh100014" <ben.ho@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 8:30 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Chebacco, building costs
<snip>
> By the way, Roger, how far off are you from completing your boat?
>
> Ben
Around here in Ontario the choices are limited. I am also using
System Three epoxy and primer (great stuff). Ordering them direct
from System Three may be a bit cheaper, but with duty and taxes,
probably not by much. Sales tax here runs at 15%!
By the way, Roger, how far off are you from completing your boat?
Ben
System Three epoxy and primer (great stuff). Ordering them direct
from System Three may be a bit cheaper, but with duty and taxes,
probably not by much. Sales tax here runs at 15%!
By the way, Roger, how far off are you from completing your boat?
Ben
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "derbyrm" <derbyrm@...> wrote:
>
> I think you've been shopping at the wrong places.
>
> I have most of the epoxy, fiberglass, pots, swizzles, gloves,
fillers, etc.
> for my Chebacco and it's less than $1300 USD. Most exterior
surfaces of the
> hull are coated and glassed and the interior surfaces are coated.
I've been
> ordering direct from System Three.
>
> I'm estimating the marine ply at about $800 USD (hard to tell for
sure since
> it's left over from another project), and that's BS 1088 Okume.
The Douglas
> Fir is about $200. (20' lapstrake version w/cruising conversion).
>
> Roger
> derbyrm@...
>http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm/Dayawl.html
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > bh100014 wrote:
> >> Paul,
> >>
> >> It's simply a lot of small things adding up. Epoxy alone is about
> >> $1800. Marine ply another $2000. I have a larger cabin, which I
put
> >> in some cabinetry and shelving with nicer wood such as maple and
> >> cherry. I also have a lot of electrical stuff, to make use of
the 4
> >> deep cycle batteries I put in. Marine grade AWG 8 wire runs at a
> >> crazy price of $4 per foot, which in hindsight I could have just
use
> >> regular grade wiring. Interlux paint and primer costs $400. About
> >> $350 of structural lumber Doug fir and oak. Did I mention the
porta
> >> potti, $70.....My Marsh Hen will be going for sale soon to fund
this
> >> project...
>
I think you've been shopping at the wrong places.
I have most of the epoxy, fiberglass, pots, swizzles, gloves, fillers, etc.
for my Chebacco and it's less than $1300 USD. Most exterior surfaces of the
hull are coated and glassed and the interior surfaces are coated. I've been
ordering direct from System Three.
I'm estimating the marine ply at about $800 USD (hard to tell for sure since
it's left over from another project), and that's BS 1088 Okume. The Douglas
Fir is about $200. (20' lapstrake version w/cruising conversion).
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm/Dayawl.html
I have most of the epoxy, fiberglass, pots, swizzles, gloves, fillers, etc.
for my Chebacco and it's less than $1300 USD. Most exterior surfaces of the
hull are coated and glassed and the interior surfaces are coated. I've been
ordering direct from System Three.
I'm estimating the marine ply at about $800 USD (hard to tell for sure since
it's left over from another project), and that's BS 1088 Okume. The Douglas
Fir is about $200. (20' lapstrake version w/cruising conversion).
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm/Dayawl.html
----- Original Message -----
> bh100014 wrote:
>> Paul,
>>
>> It's simply a lot of small things adding up. Epoxy alone is about
>> $1800. Marine ply another $2000. I have a larger cabin, which I put
>> in some cabinetry and shelving with nicer wood such as maple and
>> cherry. I also have a lot of electrical stuff, to make use of the 4
>> deep cycle batteries I put in. Marine grade AWG 8 wire runs at a
>> crazy price of $4 per foot, which in hindsight I could have just use
>> regular grade wiring. Interlux paint and primer costs $400. About
>> $350 of structural lumber Doug fir and oak. Did I mention the porta
>> potti, $70.....My Marsh Hen will be going for sale soon to fund this
>> project...
Tinned wire is a lot cheaper than that on ebay.
HJ
bh100014 wrote:
HJ
bh100014 wrote:
> Paul,
>
> It's simply a lot of small things adding up. Epoxy alone is about
> $1800. Marine ply another $2000. I have a larger cabin, which I put
> in some cabinetry and shelving with nicer wood such as maple and
> cherry. I also have a lot of electrical stuff, to make use of the 4
> deep cycle batteries I put in. Marine grade AWG 8 wire runs at a
> crazy price of $4 per foot, which in hindsight I could have just use
> regular grade wiring. Interlux paint and primer costs $400. About
> $350 of structural lumber Doug fir and oak. Did I mention the porta
> potti, $70.....My Marsh Hen will be going for sale soon to fund this
> project...
>
> Ben
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Paul Thober <paulthober@...> wrote:
>
>> That does seem like an awful lot of money. Can you give us a bit
>>
> more detail of what you purchased and for how much?
>
>> Paul
>>
>> bh100014 <ben.ho@...> wrote: All,
>>
>> Thanks for your responses.
>> Looks like Richard managed to put his boat on the trailer without
>>
> too
>
>> much trouble. Ed, if you have some some pictures as well, perhaps
>> submit it to Richard so he can put it on the Chebacco site!
>>
>> I suppose hiring a crane would be the least effort and also
>>
> safest.
>
>> However my budget for the Chebacco is already stretched. From
>>
> written
>
>> accounts it seems the total cost for most people is around $4,000 -
>>
>
>
>> $6,000 (in today's dollar). Well I have gone way beyond that:
>> - Material cost: about $5,000
>> - Expoxy, paint, consumables such as brushes & sandpaper: $3,000
>> - Electric trolling motor, deep cycle batteries, charger: $1,200
>>
>> I am using all top quality stuff but nothing out of the ordinary.
>>
> And
>
>> I am not even started with rigging hardware, spars, sails...so I
>>
> have
>
>> no idea how others managed to finish the whole boat at about half
>>
> my
>
>> cost, even if the electricals are not counted! Stuff in Canada may
>>
> be
>
>> a bit more expensive, but not by a factor of two!
>>
>> Ben
>> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, ANDREW AIREY <andyairey@> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi All
>> >
>> > If you haven't had anything to do with cranes before
>> > the thing that you need to remember is that the rated
>> > lifting capacity is at minimum distance and that the
>> > capacity declines quite rapidly the further away from
>> > the vehicle you go.The usual lorry mounted crane -
>> > known as a HI-AB in the UK - is generally about 3tons
>> > capacity near the wagon but machinery removal firms
>> > use ones from about 5 to 25 tons and you may then be
>> > able to transport the boat on the back of the truck
>> > which saves the hire of a separate vehicle as well.I
>> > brought a 26ft boat back from Essex(130 miles) that
>> > way earlier in the year - cost about £200.You are
>> > generally charged by the hour but there may be a
>> > minimum hire charge - used to be about 4hours(half
>> > day)hire.If you need to pick and move the boat about
>> > then a small mobile crane might be the answer - these
>> > are known in the UK with the delightful name of 'Iron
>> > Fairies',which I assume was originally a trade name -
>> > and capacity from about 7tons upwards
>> > Cheers
>> > Andy Airey
>> > --- Derek Waters <dgw@> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > ---------------------------------
>> > Hello Ben
>> >
>> > Cheating, I know, but what I did at a similar stage
>> > was to talk to the
>> > people at the nearest hardware/lumber store. The truck
>> > they use to deliver
>> > lumber has a small crane attached for unloading the
>> > goods, and that same
>> > crane lifted my hull from cradle to trailer in
>> > minutes. It's an odd feeling,
>> > watching that thing you've been sweating over for so
>> > long being plucked into
>> > the air.
>> >
>> > I was dealing with a Micro hull, complete with 400lb
>> > keel but undecked.
>> > Probably nearer 700lb than the 1000 you are dealing
>> > with, but the crane
>> > capacity was not even close to being an issue. I
>> > knocked together a 2 by 4
>> > spreader to prevent the slings from squeezing the hull
>> > sides in, but since
>> > you are past the decking stage that might be
>> > unnecessary. There was a
>> > minimum charge for the driver's time; about 50 bucks
>> > if I recall correctly.
>> > Worth it versus the hassle saved, for me at least.
>> > Doubly so if I priced
>> > buying timber for props or renting jackstands or any
>> > of the other halfbakery
>> > I had dreamed up as a transfer method.
>> >
>> > cheers
>> > Derek
>> >
>> >
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Paul,
It's simply a lot of small things adding up. Epoxy alone is about
$1800. Marine ply another $2000. I have a larger cabin, which I put
in some cabinetry and shelving with nicer wood such as maple and
cherry. I also have a lot of electrical stuff, to make use of the 4
deep cycle batteries I put in. Marine grade AWG 8 wire runs at a
crazy price of $4 per foot, which in hindsight I could have just use
regular grade wiring. Interlux paint and primer costs $400. About
$350 of structural lumber Doug fir and oak. Did I mention the porta
potti, $70.....My Marsh Hen will be going for sale soon to fund this
project...
Ben
It's simply a lot of small things adding up. Epoxy alone is about
$1800. Marine ply another $2000. I have a larger cabin, which I put
in some cabinetry and shelving with nicer wood such as maple and
cherry. I also have a lot of electrical stuff, to make use of the 4
deep cycle batteries I put in. Marine grade AWG 8 wire runs at a
crazy price of $4 per foot, which in hindsight I could have just use
regular grade wiring. Interlux paint and primer costs $400. About
$350 of structural lumber Doug fir and oak. Did I mention the porta
potti, $70.....My Marsh Hen will be going for sale soon to fund this
project...
Ben
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Paul Thober <paulthober@...> wrote:
>
> That does seem like an awful lot of money. Can you give us a bit
more detail of what you purchased and for how much?
>
> Paul
>
> bh100014 <ben.ho@...> wrote: All,
>
> Thanks for your responses.
> Looks like Richard managed to put his boat on the trailer without
too
> much trouble. Ed, if you have some some pictures as well, perhaps
> submit it to Richard so he can put it on the Chebacco site!
>
> I suppose hiring a crane would be the least effort and also
safest.
> However my budget for the Chebacco is already stretched. From
written
> accounts it seems the total cost for most people is around $4,000 -
> $6,000 (in today's dollar). Well I have gone way beyond that:
> - Material cost: about $5,000
> - Expoxy, paint, consumables such as brushes & sandpaper: $3,000
> - Electric trolling motor, deep cycle batteries, charger: $1,200
>
> I am using all top quality stuff but nothing out of the ordinary.
And
> I am not even started with rigging hardware, spars, sails...so I
have
> no idea how others managed to finish the whole boat at about half
my
> cost, even if the electricals are not counted! Stuff in Canada may
be
> a bit more expensive, but not by a factor of two!
>
> Ben
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, ANDREW AIREY <andyairey@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All
> >
> > If you haven't had anything to do with cranes before
> > the thing that you need to remember is that the rated
> > lifting capacity is at minimum distance and that the
> > capacity declines quite rapidly the further away from
> > the vehicle you go.The usual lorry mounted crane -
> > known as a HI-AB in the UK - is generally about 3tons
> > capacity near the wagon but machinery removal firms
> > use ones from about 5 to 25 tons and you may then be
> > able to transport the boat on the back of the truck
> > which saves the hire of a separate vehicle as well.I
> > brought a 26ft boat back from Essex(130 miles) that
> > way earlier in the year - cost about £200.You are
> > generally charged by the hour but there may be a
> > minimum hire charge - used to be about 4hours(half
> > day)hire.If you need to pick and move the boat about
> > then a small mobile crane might be the answer - these
> > are known in the UK with the delightful name of 'Iron
> > Fairies',which I assume was originally a trade name -
> > and capacity from about 7tons upwards
> > Cheers
> > Andy Airey
> > --- Derek Waters <dgw@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Hello Ben
> >
> > Cheating, I know, but what I did at a similar stage
> > was to talk to the
> > people at the nearest hardware/lumber store. The truck
> > they use to deliver
> > lumber has a small crane attached for unloading the
> > goods, and that same
> > crane lifted my hull from cradle to trailer in
> > minutes. It's an odd feeling,
> > watching that thing you've been sweating over for so
> > long being plucked into
> > the air.
> >
> > I was dealing with a Micro hull, complete with 400lb
> > keel but undecked.
> > Probably nearer 700lb than the 1000 you are dealing
> > with, but the crane
> > capacity was not even close to being an issue. I
> > knocked together a 2 by 4
> > spreader to prevent the slings from squeezing the hull
> > sides in, but since
> > you are past the decking stage that might be
> > unnecessary. There was a
> > minimum charge for the driver's time; about 50 bucks
> > if I recall correctly.
> > Worth it versus the hassle saved, for me at least.
> > Doubly so if I priced
> > buying timber for props or renting jackstands or any
> > of the other halfbakery
> > I had dreamed up as a transfer method.
> >
> > cheers
> > Derek
> >
> >
> >
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Hi Ben,
When it was time to turn over, I called up 8 friends and invited
them over. With four to a side we had no problems picking the hull
off the forms, marching it out to the boulevard where we rolled it
over on an old mattress, then carrying it back in. The only awkward
part is getting a grip on the upright hull, so I made up four straps
of seat belt webbing, with wooden sticks for handles pushed through
loops on the end. As I recall, our knuckles were hard up against
the hull, so gloves are a good idea.
I braced the upright hull on the modified building form so it would
be level for the interior work, and didn't put it on the trailer
until later. To see how I did that, go to www.chebacco.com and
click on "old articles", then to to Chebacco News #29. The details
are in the same story as the launching. It was easier than the
rollover, 2 of us did it without much trouble.
Jamie
When it was time to turn over, I called up 8 friends and invited
them over. With four to a side we had no problems picking the hull
off the forms, marching it out to the boulevard where we rolled it
over on an old mattress, then carrying it back in. The only awkward
part is getting a grip on the upright hull, so I made up four straps
of seat belt webbing, with wooden sticks for handles pushed through
loops on the end. As I recall, our knuckles were hard up against
the hull, so gloves are a good idea.
I braced the upright hull on the modified building form so it would
be level for the interior work, and didn't put it on the trailer
until later. To see how I did that, go to www.chebacco.com and
click on "old articles", then to to Chebacco News #29. The details
are in the same story as the launching. It was easier than the
rollover, 2 of us did it without much trouble.
Jamie
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bh100014" <ben.ho@...> wrote:
>
> Two year later, I am finally getting closer to the point that I
can
> start thinking about taking off my Chebacco (picture shown on the
> current Chebacco web-zine) from the strong-back and put it on a
> trailer. All the wood working is done, although the deck has to be
> glassed, rigging hardware to be installed....may be this Fall.
Anyways,
> I haven't seen any discussions on how to lift a 20 ft boat off the
> building frame/strongback onto a trailer. A few articles on
rolling the
> hull over, but not on lifting it. I don't think this a simple job -
> lifting a 1,000 lb boat off the strong-back by 3 ft, pull out the
> strong-back, and slip in the trailer. Experiences, suggestions?
>
> Ben
>
When I joined my Martha Jane to the trailer, I just cranked the
trailer under the boat. I started by getting the back end of the
trailer close to the nose, fastened the strap to the nose, and gave a
few turns. That lifted the tongue of the trailer up in the air - I
left the tongue unattached to anything, but I did block the wheels
since I had to move the trailer uphill during the whole process. I'd
jack the boat just behind the back of the trailer a few inches, then
crank the trailer winch to take up the slack and exert some
pressure. I think it took me about 2 hours to do it that way.
Hope that info helps somebody....
trailer under the boat. I started by getting the back end of the
trailer close to the nose, fastened the strap to the nose, and gave a
few turns. That lifted the tongue of the trailer up in the air - I
left the tongue unattached to anything, but I did block the wheels
since I had to move the trailer uphill during the whole process. I'd
jack the boat just behind the back of the trailer a few inches, then
crank the trailer winch to take up the slack and exert some
pressure. I think it took me about 2 hours to do it that way.
Hope that info helps somebody....
On May 25, 2006, at 12:51 PM, Bill wrote:
> There are a few photos and a descripion of my efforts to get the
> finished boat on the trailer here:
>
>http://www.people.vcu.edu/~wmjones/boat%20web/construction/
> constructionlog9.html
>
> Scroll down to the 5/21/05 entry. The whole process was a little
> nerve wracking, but not really that difficult.
>
> Bill
>
>
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That does seem like an awful lot of money. Can you give us a bit more detail of what you purchased and for how much?
Paul
bh100014 <ben.ho@...> wrote: All,
Thanks for your responses.
Looks like Richard managed to put his boat on the trailer without too
much trouble. Ed, if you have some some pictures as well, perhaps
submit it to Richard so he can put it on the Chebacco site!
I suppose hiring a crane would be the least effort and also safest.
However my budget for the Chebacco is already stretched. From written
accounts it seems the total cost for most people is around $4,000 -
$6,000 (in today's dollar). Well I have gone way beyond that:
- Material cost: about $5,000
- Expoxy, paint, consumables such as brushes & sandpaper: $3,000
- Electric trolling motor, deep cycle batteries, charger: $1,200
I am using all top quality stuff but nothing out of the ordinary. And
I am not even started with rigging hardware, spars, sails...so I have
no idea how others managed to finish the whole boat at about half my
cost, even if the electricals are not counted! Stuff in Canada may be
a bit more expensive, but not by a factor of two!
Ben
Paul
bh100014 <ben.ho@...> wrote: All,
Thanks for your responses.
Looks like Richard managed to put his boat on the trailer without too
much trouble. Ed, if you have some some pictures as well, perhaps
submit it to Richard so he can put it on the Chebacco site!
I suppose hiring a crane would be the least effort and also safest.
However my budget for the Chebacco is already stretched. From written
accounts it seems the total cost for most people is around $4,000 -
$6,000 (in today's dollar). Well I have gone way beyond that:
- Material cost: about $5,000
- Expoxy, paint, consumables such as brushes & sandpaper: $3,000
- Electric trolling motor, deep cycle batteries, charger: $1,200
I am using all top quality stuff but nothing out of the ordinary. And
I am not even started with rigging hardware, spars, sails...so I have
no idea how others managed to finish the whole boat at about half my
cost, even if the electricals are not counted! Stuff in Canada may be
a bit more expensive, but not by a factor of two!
Ben
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, ANDREW AIREY <andyairey@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All
>
> If you haven't had anything to do with cranes before
> the thing that you need to remember is that the rated
> lifting capacity is at minimum distance and that the
> capacity declines quite rapidly the further away from
> the vehicle you go.The usual lorry mounted crane -
> known as a HI-AB in the UK - is generally about 3tons
> capacity near the wagon but machinery removal firms
> use ones from about 5 to 25 tons and you may then be
> able to transport the boat on the back of the truck
> which saves the hire of a separate vehicle as well.I
> brought a 26ft boat back from Essex(130 miles) that
> way earlier in the year - cost about £200.You are
> generally charged by the hour but there may be a
> minimum hire charge - used to be about 4hours(half
> day)hire.If you need to pick and move the boat about
> then a small mobile crane might be the answer - these
> are known in the UK with the delightful name of 'Iron
> Fairies',which I assume was originally a trade name -
> and capacity from about 7tons upwards
> Cheers
> Andy Airey
> --- Derek Waters <dgw@...> wrote:
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Hello Ben
>
> Cheating, I know, but what I did at a similar stage
> was to talk to the
> people at the nearest hardware/lumber store. The truck
> they use to deliver
> lumber has a small crane attached for unloading the
> goods, and that same
> crane lifted my hull from cradle to trailer in
> minutes. It's an odd feeling,
> watching that thing you've been sweating over for so
> long being plucked into
> the air.
>
> I was dealing with a Micro hull, complete with 400lb
> keel but undecked.
> Probably nearer 700lb than the 1000 you are dealing
> with, but the crane
> capacity was not even close to being an issue. I
> knocked together a 2 by 4
> spreader to prevent the slings from squeezing the hull
> sides in, but since
> you are past the decking stage that might be
> unnecessary. There was a
> minimum charge for the driver's time; about 50 bucks
> if I recall correctly.
> Worth it versus the hassle saved, for me at least.
> Doubly so if I priced
> buying timber for props or renting jackstands or any
> of the other halfbakery
> I had dreamed up as a transfer method.
>
> cheers
> Derek
>
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We did something simular to get Mark Zeiger's Martha Jane on a borrowed trailer. I showed up with with the trailer and a floor jack. It took us seven hours to get the boat on the trailer.
If you can line up the boat with the trailer than its just a matter of blocking, jacking moving the trailer, moving blocking until you get the trailer under the boat. Take your time and it isn't that hard.
The gallows pictured in the link below is pretty slick also, wouldn't take much to build a pair and suspend the whole boat and slide the trailer under.
They make a rope based comealong now. I have used them with 300' of rope, you can get a lot of motion with out having to reposition.
HJ
If you can line up the boat with the trailer than its just a matter of blocking, jacking moving the trailer, moving blocking until you get the trailer under the boat. Take your time and it isn't that hard.
The gallows pictured in the link below is pretty slick also, wouldn't take much to build a pair and suspend the whole boat and slide the trailer under.
They make a rope based comealong now. I have used them with 300' of rope, you can get a lot of motion with out having to reposition.
HJ
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From: Bill <wmjones56@...>
Date: Thursday, May 25, 2006 8:51 am
Subject: [bolger] Re: Lifting a Chebacco
> There are a few photos and a descripion of my efforts to get the
> finished boat on the trailer here:
>
>http://www.people.vcu.edu/~wmjones/boat%20web/construction/constructionlog9.html
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There are a few photos and a descripion of my efforts to get the
finished boat on the trailer here:
http://www.people.vcu.edu/~wmjones/boat%20web/construction/constructionlog9.html
Scroll down to the 5/21/05 entry. The whole process was a little
nerve wracking, but not really that difficult.
Bill
finished boat on the trailer here:
http://www.people.vcu.edu/~wmjones/boat%20web/construction/constructionlog9.html
Scroll down to the 5/21/05 entry. The whole process was a little
nerve wracking, but not really that difficult.
Bill
All,
Thanks for your responses.
Looks like Richard managed to put his boat on the trailer without too
much trouble. Ed, if you have some some pictures as well, perhaps
submit it to Richard so he can put it on the Chebacco site!
I suppose hiring a crane would be the least effort and also safest.
However my budget for the Chebacco is already stretched. From written
accounts it seems the total cost for most people is around $4,000 -
$6,000 (in today's dollar). Well I have gone way beyond that:
- Material cost: about $5,000
- Expoxy, paint, consumables such as brushes & sandpaper: $3,000
- Electric trolling motor, deep cycle batteries, charger: $1,200
I am using all top quality stuff but nothing out of the ordinary. And
I am not even started with rigging hardware, spars, sails...so I have
no idea how others managed to finish the whole boat at about half my
cost, even if the electricals are not counted! Stuff in Canada may be
a bit more expensive, but not by a factor of two!
Ben
Thanks for your responses.
Looks like Richard managed to put his boat on the trailer without too
much trouble. Ed, if you have some some pictures as well, perhaps
submit it to Richard so he can put it on the Chebacco site!
I suppose hiring a crane would be the least effort and also safest.
However my budget for the Chebacco is already stretched. From written
accounts it seems the total cost for most people is around $4,000 -
$6,000 (in today's dollar). Well I have gone way beyond that:
- Material cost: about $5,000
- Expoxy, paint, consumables such as brushes & sandpaper: $3,000
- Electric trolling motor, deep cycle batteries, charger: $1,200
I am using all top quality stuff but nothing out of the ordinary. And
I am not even started with rigging hardware, spars, sails...so I have
no idea how others managed to finish the whole boat at about half my
cost, even if the electricals are not counted! Stuff in Canada may be
a bit more expensive, but not by a factor of two!
Ben
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, ANDREW AIREY <andyairey@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All
>
> If you haven't had anything to do with cranes before
> the thing that you need to remember is that the rated
> lifting capacity is at minimum distance and that the
> capacity declines quite rapidly the further away from
> the vehicle you go.The usual lorry mounted crane -
> known as a HI-AB in the UK - is generally about 3tons
> capacity near the wagon but machinery removal firms
> use ones from about 5 to 25 tons and you may then be
> able to transport the boat on the back of the truck
> which saves the hire of a separate vehicle as well.I
> brought a 26ft boat back from Essex(130 miles) that
> way earlier in the year - cost about £200.You are
> generally charged by the hour but there may be a
> minimum hire charge - used to be about 4hours(half
> day)hire.If you need to pick and move the boat about
> then a small mobile crane might be the answer - these
> are known in the UK with the delightful name of 'Iron
> Fairies',which I assume was originally a trade name -
> and capacity from about 7tons upwards
> Cheers
> Andy Airey
> --- Derek Waters <dgw@...> wrote:
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Hello Ben
>
> Cheating, I know, but what I did at a similar stage
> was to talk to the
> people at the nearest hardware/lumber store. The truck
> they use to deliver
> lumber has a small crane attached for unloading the
> goods, and that same
> crane lifted my hull from cradle to trailer in
> minutes. It's an odd feeling,
> watching that thing you've been sweating over for so
> long being plucked into
> the air.
>
> I was dealing with a Micro hull, complete with 400lb
> keel but undecked.
> Probably nearer 700lb than the 1000 you are dealing
> with, but the crane
> capacity was not even close to being an issue. I
> knocked together a 2 by 4
> spreader to prevent the slings from squeezing the hull
> sides in, but since
> you are past the decking stage that might be
> unnecessary. There was a
> minimum charge for the driver's time; about 50 bucks
> if I recall correctly.
> Worth it versus the hassle saved, for me at least.
> Doubly so if I priced
> buying timber for props or renting jackstands or any
> of the other halfbakery
> I had dreamed up as a transfer method.
>
> cheers
> Derek
>
>
>
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All,
Thanks for your responses.
Looks like Richard managed to put his boat on the trailer without too
much trouble. Ed, if you have some some pictures as well, perhaps
submit it to Richard so he can put it on the Chebacco site!
I suppose hiring a crane would be the least effort and also safest.
However my budget for the Chebacco is already stretched. From written
accounts it seems the total cost for most people is around $4,000 -
$6,000 (in today's dollar). Well I have gone way beyond that:
- Material cost: about $5,000
- Expoxy, paint, consumables such as brushes & sandpaper: $3,000
- Electric trolling motor, deep cycle batteries, charger: $1,200
I am using all top quality stuff but nothing out of the ordinary. And
I am not even started with rigging hardware, spars, sails...so I have
no idea how others managed to finish the whole boat at about half my
cost, even if the electricals are not counted! Stuff in Canada may be
a bit more expensive, but not by a factor of two!
Ben
Thanks for your responses.
Looks like Richard managed to put his boat on the trailer without too
much trouble. Ed, if you have some some pictures as well, perhaps
submit it to Richard so he can put it on the Chebacco site!
I suppose hiring a crane would be the least effort and also safest.
However my budget for the Chebacco is already stretched. From written
accounts it seems the total cost for most people is around $4,000 -
$6,000 (in today's dollar). Well I have gone way beyond that:
- Material cost: about $5,000
- Expoxy, paint, consumables such as brushes & sandpaper: $3,000
- Electric trolling motor, deep cycle batteries, charger: $1,200
I am using all top quality stuff but nothing out of the ordinary. And
I am not even started with rigging hardware, spars, sails...so I have
no idea how others managed to finish the whole boat at about half my
cost, even if the electricals are not counted! Stuff in Canada may be
a bit more expensive, but not by a factor of two!
Ben
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, ANDREW AIREY <andyairey@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All
>
> If you haven't had anything to do with cranes before
> the thing that you need to remember is that the rated
> lifting capacity is at minimum distance and that the
> capacity declines quite rapidly the further away from
> the vehicle you go.The usual lorry mounted crane -
> known as a HI-AB in the UK - is generally about 3tons
> capacity near the wagon but machinery removal firms
> use ones from about 5 to 25 tons and you may then be
> able to transport the boat on the back of the truck
> which saves the hire of a separate vehicle as well.I
> brought a 26ft boat back from Essex(130 miles) that
> way earlier in the year - cost about £200.You are
> generally charged by the hour but there may be a
> minimum hire charge - used to be about 4hours(half
> day)hire.If you need to pick and move the boat about
> then a small mobile crane might be the answer - these
> are known in the UK with the delightful name of 'Iron
> Fairies',which I assume was originally a trade name -
> and capacity from about 7tons upwards
> Cheers
> Andy Airey
> --- Derek Waters <dgw@...> wrote:
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Hello Ben
>
> Cheating, I know, but what I did at a similar stage
> was to talk to the
> people at the nearest hardware/lumber store. The truck
> they use to deliver
> lumber has a small crane attached for unloading the
> goods, and that same
> crane lifted my hull from cradle to trailer in
> minutes. It's an odd feeling,
> watching that thing you've been sweating over for so
> long being plucked into
> the air.
>
> I was dealing with a Micro hull, complete with 400lb
> keel but undecked.
> Probably nearer 700lb than the 1000 you are dealing
> with, but the crane
> capacity was not even close to being an issue. I
> knocked together a 2 by 4
> spreader to prevent the slings from squeezing the hull
> sides in, but since
> you are past the decking stage that might be
> unnecessary. There was a
> minimum charge for the driver's time; about 50 bucks
> if I recall correctly.
> Worth it versus the hassle saved, for me at least.
> Doubly so if I priced
> buying timber for props or renting jackstands or any
> of the other halfbakery
> I had dreamed up as a transfer method.
>
> cheers
> Derek
>
>
>
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Hi All
If you haven't had anything to do with cranes before
the thing that you need to remember is that the rated
lifting capacity is at minimum distance and that the
capacity declines quite rapidly the further away from
the vehicle you go.The usual lorry mounted crane -
known as a HI-AB in the UK - is generally about 3tons
capacity near the wagon but machinery removal firms
use ones from about 5 to 25 tons and you may then be
able to transport the boat on the back of the truck
which saves the hire of a separate vehicle as well.I
brought a 26ft boat back from Essex(130 miles) that
way earlier in the year - cost about £200.You are
generally charged by the hour but there may be a
minimum hire charge - used to be about 4hours(half
day)hire.If you need to pick and move the boat about
then a small mobile crane might be the answer - these
are known in the UK with the delightful name of 'Iron
Fairies',which I assume was originally a trade name -
and capacity from about 7tons upwards
Cheers
Andy Airey
--- Derek Waters <dgw@...> wrote:
---------------------------------
Hello Ben
Cheating, I know, but what I did at a similar stage
was to talk to the
people at the nearest hardware/lumber store. The truck
they use to deliver
lumber has a small crane attached for unloading the
goods, and that same
crane lifted my hull from cradle to trailer in
minutes. It's an odd feeling,
watching that thing you've been sweating over for so
long being plucked into
the air.
I was dealing with a Micro hull, complete with 400lb
keel but undecked.
Probably nearer 700lb than the 1000 you are dealing
with, but the crane
capacity was not even close to being an issue. I
knocked together a 2 by 4
spreader to prevent the slings from squeezing the hull
sides in, but since
you are past the decking stage that might be
unnecessary. There was a
minimum charge for the driver's time; about 50 bucks
if I recall correctly.
Worth it versus the hassle saved, for me at least.
Doubly so if I priced
buying timber for props or renting jackstands or any
of the other halfbakery
I had dreamed up as a transfer method.
cheers
Derek
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If you haven't had anything to do with cranes before
the thing that you need to remember is that the rated
lifting capacity is at minimum distance and that the
capacity declines quite rapidly the further away from
the vehicle you go.The usual lorry mounted crane -
known as a HI-AB in the UK - is generally about 3tons
capacity near the wagon but machinery removal firms
use ones from about 5 to 25 tons and you may then be
able to transport the boat on the back of the truck
which saves the hire of a separate vehicle as well.I
brought a 26ft boat back from Essex(130 miles) that
way earlier in the year - cost about £200.You are
generally charged by the hour but there may be a
minimum hire charge - used to be about 4hours(half
day)hire.If you need to pick and move the boat about
then a small mobile crane might be the answer - these
are known in the UK with the delightful name of 'Iron
Fairies',which I assume was originally a trade name -
and capacity from about 7tons upwards
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Hello Ben
Cheating, I know, but what I did at a similar stage
was to talk to the
people at the nearest hardware/lumber store. The truck
they use to deliver
lumber has a small crane attached for unloading the
goods, and that same
crane lifted my hull from cradle to trailer in
minutes. It's an odd feeling,
watching that thing you've been sweating over for so
long being plucked into
the air.
I was dealing with a Micro hull, complete with 400lb
keel but undecked.
Probably nearer 700lb than the 1000 you are dealing
with, but the crane
capacity was not even close to being an issue. I
knocked together a 2 by 4
spreader to prevent the slings from squeezing the hull
sides in, but since
you are past the decking stage that might be
unnecessary. There was a
minimum charge for the driver's time; about 50 bucks
if I recall correctly.
Worth it versus the hassle saved, for me at least.
Doubly so if I priced
buying timber for props or renting jackstands or any
of the other halfbakery
I had dreamed up as a transfer method.
cheers
Derek
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Hello Ben
Cheating, I know, but what I did at a similar stage was to talk to the
people at the nearest hardware/lumber store. The truck they use to deliver
lumber has a small crane attached for unloading the goods, and that same
crane lifted my hull from cradle to trailer in minutes. It's an odd feeling,
watching that thing you've been sweating over for so long being plucked into
the air.
I was dealing with a Micro hull, complete with 400lb keel but undecked.
Probably nearer 700lb than the 1000 you are dealing with, but the crane
capacity was not even close to being an issue. I knocked together a 2 by 4
spreader to prevent the slings from squeezing the hull sides in, but since
you are past the decking stage that might be unnecessary. There was a
minimum charge for the driver's time; about 50 bucks if I recall correctly.
Worth it versus the hassle saved, for me at least. Doubly so if I priced
buying timber for props or renting jackstands or any of the other halfbakery
I had dreamed up as a transfer method.
cheers
Derek
Cheating, I know, but what I did at a similar stage was to talk to the
people at the nearest hardware/lumber store. The truck they use to deliver
lumber has a small crane attached for unloading the goods, and that same
crane lifted my hull from cradle to trailer in minutes. It's an odd feeling,
watching that thing you've been sweating over for so long being plucked into
the air.
I was dealing with a Micro hull, complete with 400lb keel but undecked.
Probably nearer 700lb than the 1000 you are dealing with, but the crane
capacity was not even close to being an issue. I knocked together a 2 by 4
spreader to prevent the slings from squeezing the hull sides in, but since
you are past the decking stage that might be unnecessary. There was a
minimum charge for the driver's time; about 50 bucks if I recall correctly.
Worth it versus the hassle saved, for me at least. Doubly so if I priced
buying timber for props or renting jackstands or any of the other halfbakery
I had dreamed up as a transfer method.
cheers
Derek
http://www.chebacco.com/articles/007/1/article.htm
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bh100014" <ben.ho@...> wrote:
>
> Two year later, I am finally getting closer to the point that I can
> start thinking about taking off my Chebacco (picture shown on the
> current Chebacco web-zine) from the strong-back and put it on a
> trailer. All the wood working is done, although the deck has to be
> glassed, rigging hardware to be installed....may be this Fall.
Anyways,
> I haven't seen any discussions on how to lift a 20 ft boat off the
> building frame/strongback onto a trailer. A few articles on rolling
the
> hull over, but not on lifting it. I don't think this a simple job -
> lifting a 1,000 lb boat off the strong-back by 3 ft, pull out the
> strong-back, and slip in the trailer. Experiences, suggestions?
>
> Ben
>
Two year later, I am finally getting closer to the point that I can
start thinking about taking off my Chebacco (picture shown on the
current Chebacco web-zine) from the strong-back and put it on a
trailer. All the wood working is done, although the deck has to be
glassed, rigging hardware to be installed....may be this Fall. Anyways,
I haven't seen any discussions on how to lift a 20 ft boat off the
building frame/strongback onto a trailer. A few articles on rolling the
hull over, but not on lifting it. I don't think this a simple job -
lifting a 1,000 lb boat off the strong-back by 3 ft, pull out the
strong-back, and slip in the trailer. Experiences, suggestions?
Ben
start thinking about taking off my Chebacco (picture shown on the
current Chebacco web-zine) from the strong-back and put it on a
trailer. All the wood working is done, although the deck has to be
glassed, rigging hardware to be installed....may be this Fall. Anyways,
I haven't seen any discussions on how to lift a 20 ft boat off the
building frame/strongback onto a trailer. A few articles on rolling the
hull over, but not on lifting it. I don't think this a simple job -
lifting a 1,000 lb boat off the strong-back by 3 ft, pull out the
strong-back, and slip in the trailer. Experiences, suggestions?
Ben
Congratulations fellow Chebaccoista
As a matter of fact I have Boudicea on blocks in he garage at this moment
while the trailer gets made ready for the summer.
Heres what I do and I'll take advisment from anyone with a better answer.
I have two boat stands that I purchased just for this activity but you can
fabricate something that will do the same function.
1) Remove all fixed connections to the strongback and support the boat so
that it will not tip.
2) I use a floor jack situated on a pedistal made of concrete blocks to
lift the stern. I place the jack about 3 ft forward of the rear of the
keel.
3) Jack the boat until you can get another pedestal of blocks under the
keel just forward of the rudder. Set the boat on this pedestal with the
forward end resting on the trailer or strongback as it may be. (I have no
Idea how far off the ground the boat currently is, but be sure the
pedestal isn't a precarious height vs/width for support. My pedestal is
about 3 blocks high 2 blocks wide placed in alternative orientated layers
to sort of lock it together) I use a 2x4 across the top ofthe pedistal to
give a soft resting point and pivot point when raising.
4) Place two stands or supports as close to the chine as possible to
support the boat laterally and as close to the resting point of the
pedestal as possible so when raising the front, the boat pivots on the
original resting point.
5) Move the jack to the forward end ofthe keel and raise the boat off the
supports. Create two more pedestals about 10 ft apart near the front of
the keel the same height as the rear pedestal. Raise the front of the boat
abovethe height of the pedestals.
6) I use a 10 ft 4x6 from Lowes which I place under the front across the
two pedestals and lower the boat onto this beam. Remove the jack and
whatever you have it sitting on.
7) Roll the trailer under the boat which is supported on this tripod.
(take care that the trailer doesn't have pieces and parts that are too
high to clear the beam. I have to remove my rear trailer bunks for this.)
8) Reposition the jack under the front of the keel and take the weight
off the forward support beam. Remove the beam, and lower the forward end
to the trailer. Do the same for the stern.
Some things to be careful of and think about. *** Be sure the boat is
supported side to side with the stands. My Chebacco sits alright on the
keel if not manipulated, but I am very nervous about it tipping.!!!
ALSO!! My trailer allows the forward jack point to sit directly beneath
the forward end of the keel. If your trailer has a centerline bar that
won't permit this you'll have to engineer something to raise the forward
end without inducing a tipping element. AND!! Depending on the elevation
between the pedestal and the trailer you may need to lower the boat in
steps, removing one layer of blocks from the pedestal and doing it all
over again.
**** legal disclaimer, I am not suggesting this method, but it is the one
I use with some success!!!!!
Now having said all that, if I new someone with a crane or a tall A frame,
I'd sling the boat. I intend to build a boat storage building with
strong enough supports across the ceiling to rig a winch and straps to
stop this nonsense.
Ed
As a matter of fact I have Boudicea on blocks in he garage at this moment
while the trailer gets made ready for the summer.
Heres what I do and I'll take advisment from anyone with a better answer.
I have two boat stands that I purchased just for this activity but you can
fabricate something that will do the same function.
1) Remove all fixed connections to the strongback and support the boat so
that it will not tip.
2) I use a floor jack situated on a pedistal made of concrete blocks to
lift the stern. I place the jack about 3 ft forward of the rear of the
keel.
3) Jack the boat until you can get another pedestal of blocks under the
keel just forward of the rudder. Set the boat on this pedestal with the
forward end resting on the trailer or strongback as it may be. (I have no
Idea how far off the ground the boat currently is, but be sure the
pedestal isn't a precarious height vs/width for support. My pedestal is
about 3 blocks high 2 blocks wide placed in alternative orientated layers
to sort of lock it together) I use a 2x4 across the top ofthe pedistal to
give a soft resting point and pivot point when raising.
4) Place two stands or supports as close to the chine as possible to
support the boat laterally and as close to the resting point of the
pedestal as possible so when raising the front, the boat pivots on the
original resting point.
5) Move the jack to the forward end ofthe keel and raise the boat off the
supports. Create two more pedestals about 10 ft apart near the front of
the keel the same height as the rear pedestal. Raise the front of the boat
abovethe height of the pedestals.
6) I use a 10 ft 4x6 from Lowes which I place under the front across the
two pedestals and lower the boat onto this beam. Remove the jack and
whatever you have it sitting on.
7) Roll the trailer under the boat which is supported on this tripod.
(take care that the trailer doesn't have pieces and parts that are too
high to clear the beam. I have to remove my rear trailer bunks for this.)
8) Reposition the jack under the front of the keel and take the weight
off the forward support beam. Remove the beam, and lower the forward end
to the trailer. Do the same for the stern.
Some things to be careful of and think about. *** Be sure the boat is
supported side to side with the stands. My Chebacco sits alright on the
keel if not manipulated, but I am very nervous about it tipping.!!!
ALSO!! My trailer allows the forward jack point to sit directly beneath
the forward end of the keel. If your trailer has a centerline bar that
won't permit this you'll have to engineer something to raise the forward
end without inducing a tipping element. AND!! Depending on the elevation
between the pedestal and the trailer you may need to lower the boat in
steps, removing one layer of blocks from the pedestal and doing it all
over again.
**** legal disclaimer, I am not suggesting this method, but it is the one
I use with some success!!!!!
Now having said all that, if I new someone with a crane or a tall A frame,
I'd sling the boat. I intend to build a boat storage building with
strong enough supports across the ceiling to rig a winch and straps to
stop this nonsense.
Ed
> Two year later, I am finally getting closer to the point that I can
> start thinking about taking off my Chebacco (picture shown on the
> current Chebacco web-zine) from the strong-back and put it on a
> trailer. All the wood working is done, although the deck has to be
> glassed, rigging hardware to be installed....may be this Fall. Anyways,
> I haven't seen any discussions on how to lift a 20 ft boat off the
> building frame/strongback onto a trailer. A few articles on rolling the
> hull over, but not on lifting it. I don't think this a simple job -
> lifting a 1,000 lb boat off the strong-back by 3 ft, pull out the
> strong-back, and slip in the trailer. Experiences, suggestions?
>
> Ben
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