Re: [bolger] Re: Please post Bolger Topaz (and Spyder) links, photos, etc.
John Kohnen wrote:
erosion
> I can't think of a more antisocial way to spend a day on the water thanOn top of the obnoxious nature of this pastime, there is the issue of
> zooming around making a humongous wake with a high-powered stereo blaring!
> :o( To make it even worse, around here the yahoo's who drive those
> monstrosities (designing a boat to make a big wake? the designers
> responsible should be ashamed of themselves!) favor bad heavy metal music.
> :o( I don't have anything good to say about "recreation" that makes
> everybody else on the lake miserable.
>
> On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 06:28:39 -0700, Bruce Hallman wrote:
>
>
>> ...
>> after experiencing two days with the most knarly 'testosterone power'
>> wake surfing
>> boats, that I need to budget $500+ for a hi-powered sound system. Wake
>> surfing
>> is crazy stuff, we had a floodable chamber in an aft corner so the boat
>> stands
>> up, then a 400 HP V8 motor swings a giant low pitch prop which throws a
>> humongous wake which curls like a ocean breaker and allows one to surf.
>>
>
>
erosion
I can't think of a more antisocial way to spend a day on the water than
zooming around making a humongous wake with a high-powered stereo blaring!
:o( To make it even worse, around here the yahoo's who drive those
monstrosities (designing a boat to make a big wake? the designers
responsible should be ashamed of themselves!) favor bad heavy metal music.
:o( I don't have anything good to say about "recreation" that makes
everybody else on the lake miserable.
zooming around making a humongous wake with a high-powered stereo blaring!
:o( To make it even worse, around here the yahoo's who drive those
monstrosities (designing a boat to make a big wake? the designers
responsible should be ashamed of themselves!) favor bad heavy metal music.
:o( I don't have anything good to say about "recreation" that makes
everybody else on the lake miserable.
On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 06:28:39 -0700, Bruce Hallman wrote:
> ...
> after experiencing two days with the most knarly 'testosterone power'
> wake surfing
> boats, that I need to budget $500+ for a hi-powered sound system. Wake
> surfing
> is crazy stuff, we had a floodable chamber in an aft corner so the boat
> stands
> up, then a 400 HP V8 motor swings a giant low pitch prop which throws a
> humongous wake which curls like a ocean breaker and allows one to surf.
--
John <jkohnen@...>
One boat just leads to another. <John Kohnen>
> Glad to hear that your SPYDER is moving along well through herI just got back from a weekend visiting friends at the lake, [zero hrs
> gestation phase,life's little demands notwithstanding, and hope that
> domestic harmony perservers amidst the"temporary" mayhem!
boatbuilding
last several days]. My 'domestic' partner was reminded to insist to me that
I better hurry some more to get our lake boat launched ASAP, though we realized
after experiencing two days with the most knarly 'testosterone power'
wake surfing
boats, that I need to budget $500+ for a hi-powered sound system. Wake surfing
is crazy stuff, we had a floodable chamber in an aft corner so the boat stands
up, then a 400 HP V8 motor swings a giant low pitch prop which throws a
humongous wake which curls like a ocean breaker and allows one to surf.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
I found the 'mind puzzle' challenging (and exciting) to
> figure out how to manipulate a 32 foot long side panel, to match a
31
> foot long bottom panel so that the joint seam match came within a
1/4"
> or so,
Holy Smokes!! A 1/4" Inch?!?! Did you use a felt-marker to trace the
bottom rocker on the side panels instead of a sharp pencil or
what :-D !!( Just kidding there Bruce :-)....
I took me a while to figure out that the problem was
> with the bottom and not with the side bottom edge bottom edge
> curvature. Ultimately, I discovered that if I fastened the aft
20% of
> the joint (giving the bottom stiffness), then I could jack up the
> stern which then put curve into the middle part of the bottom. I
then
> fastened the middle, and with the aft 2/3rds now having stiffness,
I
> could crank curvature into the forward 1/3rd of the hull.
I had a similar bit of tweaking too with the Windermere bottom
however I began at the front and worked my way aft,jacking the
bottom panel up to match the side panel rocker, since the rocker
forward is"locked" by the box-keel/fillet piece components.The aft
2/3rds is just a big laminate and was remarkably forgiving/flexible.
I would have thought the fillet pieces on the TOPAZ/SPYDER would
have similarily served to lock in the rocker,forward,thus making it
really difficult to crank in any further rocker.(hope that makes
sense :-))
Also, some
> may recall my gambit, where I used a single strongback versus a
major
> wide fab table to build the bottom. My risk seems to have paid off
> because correction of the build in twist inaccuracies turns out to
be
> an easy task using shop and farm jacks.
Ya,but,but,but you only got to within a quarter inch of PERFECT :-D
Glad to hear that your SPYDER is moving along well through her
gestation phase,life's little demands notwithstanding, and hope that
domestic harmony perservers amidst the"temporary" mayhem!
Continued success and stamina!!!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,who surely would have fallen to a quick death had he
ever torn down a "wall" to get more room in my third story apartment
and/or met my maker,tout suite, thanks to a well placed baseball bat
to my skull delivered by an "ex" exasperated partner.....thankful
to be alive now along the shores of the St.Lawrence...........
with the cabin, but you're building the "open boat" is this correct?
Are the hulls basically the same on these two versions?
The hulls are very similar, but there is a big difference with the
locations and shapes of the bulkheads.
Are the hulls basically the same on these two versions?
The hulls are very similar, but there is a big difference with the
locations and shapes of the bulkheads.
Thanks for the update Bruce, the description of your mind puzzle challenge may come in handy for me if I build Topaz myself. I'm interested in the Topaz with the cabin, but you're building the "open boat" is this correct? Are the hulls basically the same on these two versions?
Kenneth Grome
Bagacay Boatworks
Kenneth Grome
Bagacay Boatworks
On Thu, 8 Jun 2006 09:54:46 -0700, Bruce Hallman wrote:
>> Bruce, how's your Topaz Spyder coming along?
>
> Real life intervenes, but I have been consistently getting in a half
> or a whole hour of work each day. Most recently I have installed the
> port side panel to the bottom panel, and am presently tape filleting
> the pieces (bottom to side joint done, sides to bulkheads now)
> together. I found the 'mind puzzle' challenging (and exciting) to
> figure out how to manipulate a 32 foot long side panel, to match a 31
> foot long bottom panel so that the joint seam match came within a 1/4"
> or so, quite a challenging 3D problem which I had never encountered
> with my prior experience building smaller boats. In short, per
> design, the bottom of Topaz has roughly a 6 inch rocker in the bottom,
> but on my shop floor the bottom panel rested more near to flat (with
> some twisting). I took me a while to figure out that the problem was
> with the bottom and not with the side bottom edge bottom edge
> curvature. Ultimately, I discovered that if I fastened the aft 20% of
> the joint (giving the bottom stiffness), then I could jack up the
> stern which then put curve into the middle part of the bottom. I then
> fastened the middle, and with the aft 2/3rds now having stiffness, I
> could crank curvature into the forward 1/3rd of the hull. Also, some
> may recall my gambit, where I used a single strongback versus a major
> wide fab table to build the bottom. My risk seems to have paid off
> because correction of the build in twist inaccuracies turns out to be
> an easy task using shop and farm jacks.
> Bruce, how's your Topaz Spyder coming along?Real life intervenes, but I have been consistently getting in a half
or a whole hour of work each day. Most recently I have installed the
port side panel to the bottom panel, and am presently tape filleting
the pieces (bottom to side joint done, sides to bulkheads now)
together. I found the 'mind puzzle' challenging (and exciting) to
figure out how to manipulate a 32 foot long side panel, to match a 31
foot long bottom panel so that the joint seam match came within a 1/4"
or so, quite a challenging 3D problem which I had never encountered
with my prior experience building smaller boats. In short, per
design, the bottom of Topaz has roughly a 6 inch rocker in the bottom,
but on my shop floor the bottom panel rested more near to flat (with
some twisting). I took me a while to figure out that the problem was
with the bottom and not with the side bottom edge bottom edge
curvature. Ultimately, I discovered that if I fastened the aft 20% of
the joint (giving the bottom stiffness), then I could jack up the
stern which then put curve into the middle part of the bottom. I then
fastened the middle, and with the aft 2/3rds now having stiffness, I
could crank curvature into the forward 1/3rd of the hull. Also, some
may recall my gambit, where I used a single strongback versus a major
wide fab table to build the bottom. My risk seems to have paid off
because correction of the build in twist inaccuracies turns out to be
an easy task using shop and farm jacks.
Greetings everyone,
I'm trying my best to find as much online information as possible on Bolger's Topaz and Topaz Spyder boats. My goal is to assemble a list of links and URLs, so please post them if you have them. Thanks!
Bruce, how's your Topaz Spyder coming along? I enjoyed your flickr pictures a while ago, but I haven't seen any new photos lately. Have you worked on it recently, or have other 'life events' been keeping you busy?
Or is it finished and "on the water", and you're having so much fun that you haven't had time to update us!?
:)
Kenneth Grome
Bagacay Boatworks
I'm trying my best to find as much online information as possible on Bolger's Topaz and Topaz Spyder boats. My goal is to assemble a list of links and URLs, so please post them if you have them. Thanks!
Bruce, how's your Topaz Spyder coming along? I enjoyed your flickr pictures a while ago, but I haven't seen any new photos lately. Have you worked on it recently, or have other 'life events' been keeping you busy?
Or is it finished and "on the water", and you're having so much fun that you haven't had time to update us!?
:)
Kenneth Grome
Bagacay Boatworks