Re: Bolger-approved building methods
If you're already using epoxy, then vacuum bagging isn't all that hi
tech. Every once in a while I use it just to clamp some oddball thing
or other that I'm working on. I would use it as the preferred method
if I had to glue down some checked plywood and the checks didn't go
all the way thru. Unfortunately, in my case they did. That boat now
belongs to someone else (yes I warned them).
tech. Every once in a while I use it just to clamp some oddball thing
or other that I'm working on. I would use it as the preferred method
if I had to glue down some checked plywood and the checks didn't go
all the way thru. Unfortunately, in my case they did. That boat now
belongs to someone else (yes I warned them).
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Peter Vanderwaart" <pvanderw@o...> wrote:
> > I have not encountered carbon fiber or polyester as a part of
> > Bolger-building. I would also place vacuum-bagging, mandrel-
> winding, and
> > several other techniques outside this forum.
>
> So, what you are saying is that if I want to rotomold a batch of
PVC
> Micros, I should keep it to myself?
>
> Peter
I surrender!! Next order will be Raka if I want mail-order, Clear-Cote if
local. Will it be OK if I keep my 50 lb of talc I got for $20.00? - it
seems to be fine...
Don Hodges
local. Will it be OK if I keep my 50 lb of talc I got for $20.00? - it
seems to be fine...
Don Hodges
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Spelling <richard@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Epoxies, West and Raka and....
> My experiance with them has been:
> - don't ask for platic jugs (first order, assume they will be plastic)
> - get metal cans
> - ask for plastic jugs
> - get plastic jugs
> - ask for plastic jugs
> - get metal cans
> - ask for platic jugs
> - get told they can't ship plastic jugs due to UPS regulations
> - buy epoxy from RAKA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Donald Hodges" <dhodges@...>
> To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 1:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Epoxies, West and Raka and....
>
>
> > I have not tried RAKA, and I accept your comments about them at face
value
> > (heck, more than that, boatbuilders deserve a premium of respect).
> >
> > For the record, FGCI will ship in gallon jugs on request - I just
received
> a
> > 5 gallon kit as one gallon hardener/four gallons resin, all jugs,
5-gallon
> > price.
> >
> > In this hot weather, I have found FGCI to be very fast curing so I have
to
> > use smaller batches. It's plenty thin right now!
> >
> > At least we agree it is the price leader. From the catalog, it appears
> > their big market is the polyester molding crowd.
> >
> > Don Hodges
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Richard Spelling <richard@...>
> > To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 9:01 PM
> > Subject: Re: [bolger] Epoxies, West and Raka and....
> >
> >
> > > I like the Raka, even better than the Fiberglass Coatings epoxy (which
> is
> > > slightly cheaper). The FGC epoxy is too thick, and the hardener barley
> > comes
> > > out of the bottle when the shop is cold. Also, they tend to ship it in
> > metal
> > > "paint" cans, and don't sell the pumps.
> > >
> > > Also, thinner epoxy will require more FILLER to make the requisit
peanut
> > > butter consistancy, and lesss EPOXY. I.E. the epoxy lasts longer.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <dick@...>
> > > To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 7:56 PM
> > > Subject: [bolger] Epoxies, West and Raka and....
> > >
> > >
> > > > When I used West epoxy in the past on a lapstrake canoe using 4mm
> > > > plywood, it was a bit thickish. Putting stakes together was a cinch.
> > > > After wetting out, a bit of the white stuff added to the mix made it
> > > > all go together fine. The epoxy mix (resin to hardener) was special,
> > > > I think 5:2 or 1 or so..and I used their hand pumps which made the
> > > > job easy. For all its goodness though, West was pricey, yet
> > > > since only a gallon was needed, the 'best' was good enough.
> > > >
> > > > For Bolger's Chebacco, some 10 gallons are needed and shopping
around
> > > > is prudent. Nay... for a Bolgeresque / Payson approach it is
> > > > mandatory.
> > > >
> > > > I'm currently testing RAKA epoxy sold out of Delray Beach, Florida.
> > > > It is a 2:1 mix and I think thinner than West. Using small samples,
> > > > I've put together wood pieces (pine, and some cedar with inherent
> > > > oils that should cause problems but haven't) with thickeners of
> > > > various sorts and they held as well as with West -- the wood breaks
> > > > before the joint itself. RAKA is substantially less costly than
West
> > > > or any other that I've come across, such as MAS.
> > > >
> > > > Yet it seems that with RAKA, with its thinner makeup, I'll be using
> > > > more fillers if not more epoxy than with West if I'm to get the
> > > > requisite peanut butter consistency that some joints and filleting
> > > > require.
> > > >
> > > > I've read Reuel Parker who thinks (in his Sharpie book) that all
> > > > epoxies are essentially the same: they're from Shell or some similar
> > > > petrochemical giant and are just packaged a bit differently by
> > > > the various epoxy companies.
> > > >
> > > > Do you Bolgerites have feelings about the pros and cons
> > > > on RAKA vs. West vs. MAS and vs. all the other epoxies that are out
> > > > there? What say you?
> > > >
> > > > dick burnham
> > > >
> > > >
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hehehehe
Wasn't dissing them, just relaying my experience with them.
Wasn't dissing them, just relaying my experience with them.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Donald Hodges" <dhodges@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Epoxies, West and Raka and....
> I surrender!! Next order will be Raka if I want mail-order, Clear-Cote if
> local. Will it be OK if I keep my 50 lb of talc I got for $20.00? - it
> seems to be fine...
>
> Don Hodges
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Richard Spelling <richard@...>
> To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 1:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Epoxies, West and Raka and....
>
>
> > My experiance with them has been:
> > - don't ask for platic jugs (first order, assume they will be plastic)
> > - get metal cans
> > - ask for plastic jugs
> > - get plastic jugs
> > - ask for plastic jugs
> > - get metal cans
> > - ask for platic jugs
> > - get told they can't ship plastic jugs due to UPS regulations
> > - buy epoxy from RAKA
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Donald Hodges" <dhodges@...>
> > To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 1:03 PM
> > Subject: Re: [bolger] Epoxies, West and Raka and....
> >
> >
> > > I have not tried RAKA, and I accept your comments about them at face
> value
> > > (heck, more than that, boatbuilders deserve a premium of respect).
> > >
> > > For the record, FGCI will ship in gallon jugs on request - I just
> received
> > a
> > > 5 gallon kit as one gallon hardener/four gallons resin, all jugs,
> 5-gallon
> > > price.
> > >
> > > In this hot weather, I have found FGCI to be very fast curing so I
have
> to
> > > use smaller batches. It's plenty thin right now!
> > >
> > > At least we agree it is the price leader. From the catalog, it
appears
> > > their big market is the polyester molding crowd.
> > >
> > > Don Hodges
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Richard Spelling <richard@...>
> > > To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 9:01 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [bolger] Epoxies, West and Raka and....
> > >
> > >
> > > > I like the Raka, even better than the Fiberglass Coatings epoxy
(which
> > is
> > > > slightly cheaper). The FGC epoxy is too thick, and the hardener
barley
> > > comes
> > > > out of the bottle when the shop is cold. Also, they tend to ship it
in
> > > metal
> > > > "paint" cans, and don't sell the pumps.
> > > >
> > > > Also, thinner epoxy will require more FILLER to make the requisit
> peanut
> > > > butter consistancy, and lesss EPOXY. I.E. the epoxy lasts longer.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <dick@...>
> > > > To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 7:56 PM
> > > > Subject: [bolger] Epoxies, West and Raka and....
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > When I used West epoxy in the past on a lapstrake canoe using 4mm
> > > > > plywood, it was a bit thickish. Putting stakes together was a
cinch.
> > > > > After wetting out, a bit of the white stuff added to the mix made
it
> > > > > all go together fine. The epoxy mix (resin to hardener) was
special,
> > > > > I think 5:2 or 1 or so..and I used their hand pumps which made the
> > > > > job easy. For all its goodness though, West was pricey, yet
> > > > > since only a gallon was needed, the 'best' was good enough.
> > > > >
> > > > > For Bolger's Chebacco, some 10 gallons are needed and shopping
> around
> > > > > is prudent. Nay... for a Bolgeresque / Payson approach it is
> > > > > mandatory.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm currently testing RAKA epoxy sold out of Delray Beach,
Florida.
> > > > > It is a 2:1 mix and I think thinner than West. Using small
samples,
> > > > > I've put together wood pieces (pine, and some cedar with inherent
> > > > > oils that should cause problems but haven't) with thickeners of
> > > > > various sorts and they held as well as with West -- the wood
breaks
> > > > > before the joint itself. RAKA is substantially less costly than
> West
> > > > > or any other that I've come across, such as MAS.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yet it seems that with RAKA, with its thinner makeup, I'll be
using
> > > > > more fillers if not more epoxy than with West if I'm to get the
> > > > > requisite peanut butter consistency that some joints and filleting
> > > > > require.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've read Reuel Parker who thinks (in his Sharpie book) that all
> > > > > epoxies are essentially the same: they're from Shell or some
similar
> > > > > petrochemical giant and are just packaged a bit differently by
> > > > > the various epoxy companies.
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you Bolgerites have feelings about the pros and cons
> > > > > on RAKA vs. West vs. MAS and vs. all the other epoxies that are
out
> > > > > there? What say you?
> > > > >
> > > > > dick burnham
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
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> I have not encountered carbon fiber or polyester as a part ofwinding, and
> Bolger-building. I would also place vacuum-bagging, mandrel-
> several other techniques outside this forum.So, what you are saying is that if I want to rotomold a batch of PVC
Micros, I should keep it to myself?
Peter
My experiance with them has been:
- don't ask for platic jugs (first order, assume they will be plastic)
- get metal cans
- ask for plastic jugs
- get plastic jugs
- ask for plastic jugs
- get metal cans
- ask for platic jugs
- get told they can't ship plastic jugs due to UPS regulations
- buy epoxy from RAKA
- don't ask for platic jugs (first order, assume they will be plastic)
- get metal cans
- ask for plastic jugs
- get plastic jugs
- ask for plastic jugs
- get metal cans
- ask for platic jugs
- get told they can't ship plastic jugs due to UPS regulations
- buy epoxy from RAKA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Donald Hodges" <dhodges@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Epoxies, West and Raka and....
> I have not tried RAKA, and I accept your comments about them at face value
> (heck, more than that, boatbuilders deserve a premium of respect).
>
> For the record, FGCI will ship in gallon jugs on request - I just received
a
> 5 gallon kit as one gallon hardener/four gallons resin, all jugs, 5-gallon
> price.
>
> In this hot weather, I have found FGCI to be very fast curing so I have to
> use smaller batches. It's plenty thin right now!
>
> At least we agree it is the price leader. From the catalog, it appears
> their big market is the polyester molding crowd.
>
> Don Hodges
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Richard Spelling <richard@...>
> To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 9:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Epoxies, West and Raka and....
>
>
> > I like the Raka, even better than the Fiberglass Coatings epoxy (which
is
> > slightly cheaper). The FGC epoxy is too thick, and the hardener barley
> comes
> > out of the bottle when the shop is cold. Also, they tend to ship it in
> metal
> > "paint" cans, and don't sell the pumps.
> >
> > Also, thinner epoxy will require more FILLER to make the requisit peanut
> > butter consistancy, and lesss EPOXY. I.E. the epoxy lasts longer.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <dick@...>
> > To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 7:56 PM
> > Subject: [bolger] Epoxies, West and Raka and....
> >
> >
> > > When I used West epoxy in the past on a lapstrake canoe using 4mm
> > > plywood, it was a bit thickish. Putting stakes together was a cinch.
> > > After wetting out, a bit of the white stuff added to the mix made it
> > > all go together fine. The epoxy mix (resin to hardener) was special,
> > > I think 5:2 or 1 or so..and I used their hand pumps which made the
> > > job easy. For all its goodness though, West was pricey, yet
> > > since only a gallon was needed, the 'best' was good enough.
> > >
> > > For Bolger's Chebacco, some 10 gallons are needed and shopping around
> > > is prudent. Nay... for a Bolgeresque / Payson approach it is
> > > mandatory.
> > >
> > > I'm currently testing RAKA epoxy sold out of Delray Beach, Florida.
> > > It is a 2:1 mix and I think thinner than West. Using small samples,
> > > I've put together wood pieces (pine, and some cedar with inherent
> > > oils that should cause problems but haven't) with thickeners of
> > > various sorts and they held as well as with West -- the wood breaks
> > > before the joint itself. RAKA is substantially less costly than West
> > > or any other that I've come across, such as MAS.
> > >
> > > Yet it seems that with RAKA, with its thinner makeup, I'll be using
> > > more fillers if not more epoxy than with West if I'm to get the
> > > requisite peanut butter consistency that some joints and filleting
> > > require.
> > >
> > > I've read Reuel Parker who thinks (in his Sharpie book) that all
> > > epoxies are essentially the same: they're from Shell or some similar
> > > petrochemical giant and are just packaged a bit differently by
> > > the various epoxy companies.
> > >
> > > Do you Bolgerites have feelings about the pros and cons
> > > on RAKA vs. West vs. MAS and vs. all the other epoxies that are out
> > > there? What say you?
> > >
> > > dick burnham
> > >
> > >
> >
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>
I have not encountered carbon fiber or polyester as a part of
Bolger-building. I would also place vacuum-bagging, mandrel-winding, and
several other techniques outside this forum. So, I guess we agree: for
Bolger-building, price is a good primary specification for epoxy.
Don Hodges
Bolger-building. I would also place vacuum-bagging, mandrel-winding, and
several other techniques outside this forum. So, I guess we agree: for
Bolger-building, price is a good primary specification for epoxy.
Don Hodges
----- Original Message -----
From: Gordon Couger <gcouger@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Epoxies, West and Raka and....
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Donald Hodges" <dhodges@...>
> To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 8:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Epoxies, West and Raka and....
>
>
> > If it's a poll, I vote "shop by price" - all the epoxies are stronger
> than
> > wood. My current price leader is Fiberglass Coatings, Inc. St. Pete,
FL
> >
> > Nice free catalog - call 800-272-7890 emailfgci@...
>
> Shop by price and the amout of support you need.
>
> While any old epoxy will do for a stich and glue boat the same is not
> true for a carbon mast or a foam cored bulkhead. If you are gluing PVC
> to polyester you might need more tech support or possibly some testing
> if it is a serious situation.
>
> Gordon
>
> Gordon Cougergcouger@...
>
> Stillwater, OK www.couger.com/gcouger
> 405 624-2855 GMT -6:00
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Old school buds here:
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>
>
>
I have not tried RAKA, and I accept your comments about them at face value
(heck, more than that, boatbuilders deserve a premium of respect).
For the record, FGCI will ship in gallon jugs on request - I just received a
5 gallon kit as one gallon hardener/four gallons resin, all jugs, 5-gallon
price.
In this hot weather, I have found FGCI to be very fast curing so I have to
use smaller batches. It's plenty thin right now!
At least we agree it is the price leader. From the catalog, it appears
their big market is the polyester molding crowd.
Don Hodges
(heck, more than that, boatbuilders deserve a premium of respect).
For the record, FGCI will ship in gallon jugs on request - I just received a
5 gallon kit as one gallon hardener/four gallons resin, all jugs, 5-gallon
price.
In this hot weather, I have found FGCI to be very fast curing so I have to
use smaller batches. It's plenty thin right now!
At least we agree it is the price leader. From the catalog, it appears
their big market is the polyester molding crowd.
Don Hodges
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Spelling <richard@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Epoxies, West and Raka and....
> I like the Raka, even better than the Fiberglass Coatings epoxy (which is
> slightly cheaper). The FGC epoxy is too thick, and the hardener barley
comes
> out of the bottle when the shop is cold. Also, they tend to ship it in
metal
> "paint" cans, and don't sell the pumps.
>
> Also, thinner epoxy will require more FILLER to make the requisit peanut
> butter consistancy, and lesss EPOXY. I.E. the epoxy lasts longer.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <dick@...>
> To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 7:56 PM
> Subject: [bolger] Epoxies, West and Raka and....
>
>
> > When I used West epoxy in the past on a lapstrake canoe using 4mm
> > plywood, it was a bit thickish. Putting stakes together was a cinch.
> > After wetting out, a bit of the white stuff added to the mix made it
> > all go together fine. The epoxy mix (resin to hardener) was special,
> > I think 5:2 or 1 or so..and I used their hand pumps which made the
> > job easy. For all its goodness though, West was pricey, yet
> > since only a gallon was needed, the 'best' was good enough.
> >
> > For Bolger's Chebacco, some 10 gallons are needed and shopping around
> > is prudent. Nay... for a Bolgeresque / Payson approach it is
> > mandatory.
> >
> > I'm currently testing RAKA epoxy sold out of Delray Beach, Florida.
> > It is a 2:1 mix and I think thinner than West. Using small samples,
> > I've put together wood pieces (pine, and some cedar with inherent
> > oils that should cause problems but haven't) with thickeners of
> > various sorts and they held as well as with West -- the wood breaks
> > before the joint itself. RAKA is substantially less costly than West
> > or any other that I've come across, such as MAS.
> >
> > Yet it seems that with RAKA, with its thinner makeup, I'll be using
> > more fillers if not more epoxy than with West if I'm to get the
> > requisite peanut butter consistency that some joints and filleting
> > require.
> >
> > I've read Reuel Parker who thinks (in his Sharpie book) that all
> > epoxies are essentially the same: they're from Shell or some similar
> > petrochemical giant and are just packaged a bit differently by
> > the various epoxy companies.
> >
> > Do you Bolgerites have feelings about the pros and cons
> > on RAKA vs. West vs. MAS and vs. all the other epoxies that are out
> > there? What say you?
> >
> > dick burnham
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Donald Hodges" <dhodges@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Epoxies, West and Raka and....
> If it's a poll, I vote "shop by price" - all the epoxies are stronger
than
> wood. My current price leader is Fiberglass Coatings, Inc. St. Pete, FL
>
> Nice free catalog - call 800-272-7890 emailfgci@...
Shop by price and the amout of support you need.
While any old epoxy will do for a stich and glue boat the same is not
true for a carbon mast or a foam cored bulkhead. If you are gluing PVC
to polyester you might need more tech support or possibly some testing
if it is a serious situation.
Gordon
Gordon Cougergcouger@...
Stillwater, OK www.couger.com/gcouger
405 624-2855 GMT -6:00
I like the Raka, even better than the Fiberglass Coatings epoxy (which is
slightly cheaper). The FGC epoxy is too thick, and the hardener barley comes
out of the bottle when the shop is cold. Also, they tend to ship it in metal
"paint" cans, and don't sell the pumps.
Also, thinner epoxy will require more FILLER to make the requisit peanut
butter consistancy, and lesss EPOXY. I.E. the epoxy lasts longer.
slightly cheaper). The FGC epoxy is too thick, and the hardener barley comes
out of the bottle when the shop is cold. Also, they tend to ship it in metal
"paint" cans, and don't sell the pumps.
Also, thinner epoxy will require more FILLER to make the requisit peanut
butter consistancy, and lesss EPOXY. I.E. the epoxy lasts longer.
----- Original Message -----
From: <dick@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 7:56 PM
Subject: [bolger] Epoxies, West and Raka and....
> When I used West epoxy in the past on a lapstrake canoe using 4mm
> plywood, it was a bit thickish. Putting stakes together was a cinch.
> After wetting out, a bit of the white stuff added to the mix made it
> all go together fine. The epoxy mix (resin to hardener) was special,
> I think 5:2 or 1 or so..and I used their hand pumps which made the
> job easy. For all its goodness though, West was pricey, yet
> since only a gallon was needed, the 'best' was good enough.
>
> For Bolger's Chebacco, some 10 gallons are needed and shopping around
> is prudent. Nay... for a Bolgeresque / Payson approach it is
> mandatory.
>
> I'm currently testing RAKA epoxy sold out of Delray Beach, Florida.
> It is a 2:1 mix and I think thinner than West. Using small samples,
> I've put together wood pieces (pine, and some cedar with inherent
> oils that should cause problems but haven't) with thickeners of
> various sorts and they held as well as with West -- the wood breaks
> before the joint itself. RAKA is substantially less costly than West
> or any other that I've come across, such as MAS.
>
> Yet it seems that with RAKA, with its thinner makeup, I'll be using
> more fillers if not more epoxy than with West if I'm to get the
> requisite peanut butter consistency that some joints and filleting
> require.
>
> I've read Reuel Parker who thinks (in his Sharpie book) that all
> epoxies are essentially the same: they're from Shell or some similar
> petrochemical giant and are just packaged a bit differently by
> the various epoxy companies.
>
> Do you Bolgerites have feelings about the pros and cons
> on RAKA vs. West vs. MAS and vs. all the other epoxies that are out
> there? What say you?
>
> dick burnham
>
>
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If it's a poll, I vote "shop by price" - all the epoxies are stronger than
wood. My current price leader is Fiberglass Coatings, Inc. St. Pete, FL
Nice free catalog - call 800-272-7890 emailfgci@...
(all the usual disclaimers, just a customer)
Don Hodges
wood. My current price leader is Fiberglass Coatings, Inc. St. Pete, FL
Nice free catalog - call 800-272-7890 emailfgci@...
(all the usual disclaimers, just a customer)
Don Hodges
----- Original Message -----
From: <dick@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 7:56 PM
Subject: [bolger] Epoxies, West and Raka and....
> When I used West epoxy in the past on a lapstrake canoe using 4mm
> plywood, it was a bit thickish. Putting stakes together was a cinch.
> After wetting out, a bit of the white stuff added to the mix made it
> all go together fine. The epoxy mix (resin to hardener) was special,
> I think 5:2 or 1 or so..and I used their hand pumps which made the
> job easy. For all its goodness though, West was pricey, yet
> since only a gallon was needed, the 'best' was good enough.
>
> For Bolger's Chebacco, some 10 gallons are needed and shopping around
> is prudent. Nay... for a Bolgeresque / Payson approach it is
> mandatory.
>
> I'm currently testing RAKA epoxy sold out of Delray Beach, Florida.
> It is a 2:1 mix and I think thinner than West. Using small samples,
> I've put together wood pieces (pine, and some cedar with inherent
> oils that should cause problems but haven't) with thickeners of
> various sorts and they held as well as with West -- the wood breaks
> before the joint itself. RAKA is substantially less costly than West
> or any other that I've come across, such as MAS.
>
> Yet it seems that with RAKA, with its thinner makeup, I'll be using
> more fillers if not more epoxy than with West if I'm to get the
> requisite peanut butter consistency that some joints and filleting
> require.
>
> I've read Reuel Parker who thinks (in his Sharpie book) that all
> epoxies are essentially the same: they're from Shell or some similar
> petrochemical giant and are just packaged a bit differently by
> the various epoxy companies.
>
> Do you Bolgerites have feelings about the pros and cons
> on RAKA vs. West vs. MAS and vs. all the other epoxies that are out
> there? What say you?
>
> dick burnham
>
>
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