Re: [bolger] Re: Windermere up-date VITAL STATISTICS
Is there some reason that I am blocked from viewing Peter's Windermere pictures?
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From: eric green <ericgreen@...>
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Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 10:23:21 PM
Subject: RE: [bolger] Re: Windermere up-date VITAL STATISTICS
Peter,
Thanks for the info. I hope we do not pester you too much.
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From: bolger@yahoogroups. com [mailto:bolger@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
Peter Lenihan
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 6:13 PM
To: bolger@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Windermere up-date VITAL STATISTICS
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"eric green" <ericgreen@. -..> wrote:
Displacement at 10" draft=aprox. -7000lbs.
at 11" draft= aprox.8000lbs.
Fuel weight=1230lbs
battery weight=1824lbs
freshwater weight=835lbs
fuel tankage= 200 gallons gasoline
propane tankage= 2 X 20lbs(minimum)
water tankage=100 gallons
holding tank=160 gallons
battery capacity(12 volt) of 1832AH@ 20 hrs rating
estimated cruising speed= 6.0 knots
estimated top speed= 7.5 knots
guesstimated "all dry" empty weight(including batteries)=5500lbs
hope this helps.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
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From: eric green <ericgreen@...>
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Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 10:23:21 PM
Subject: RE: [bolger] Re: Windermere up-date VITAL STATISTICS
Peter,
Thanks for the info. I hope we do not pester you too much.
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From: bolger@yahoogroups. com [mailto:bolger@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
Peter Lenihan
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 6:13 PM
To: bolger@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Windermere up-date VITAL STATISTICS
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"eric green" <ericgreen@. -..> wrote:
>Here are some numbers for Windermere:
> What is the loaded weight of the Widermere? Thanks
Displacement at 10" draft=aprox. -7000lbs.
at 11" draft= aprox.8000lbs.
Fuel weight=1230lbs
battery weight=1824lbs
freshwater weight=835lbs
fuel tankage= 200 gallons gasoline
propane tankage= 2 X 20lbs(minimum)
water tankage=100 gallons
holding tank=160 gallons
battery capacity(12 volt) of 1832AH@ 20 hrs rating
estimated cruising speed= 6.0 knots
estimated top speed= 7.5 knots
guesstimated "all dry" empty weight(including batteries)=5500lbs
hope this helps.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "eric green" <ericgreen@...> wrote:
Displacement at 10" draft=aprox.7000lbs.
at 11" draft= aprox.8000lbs.
Fuel weight=1230lbs
battery weight=1824lbs
freshwater weight=835lbs
fuel tankage= 200 gallons gasoline
propane tankage= 2 X 20lbs(minimum)
water tankage=100 gallons
holding tank=160 gallons
battery capacity(12 volt) of 1832AH@ 20 hrs rating
estimated cruising speed= 6.0 knots
estimated top speed= 7.5 knots
guesstimated "all dry" empty weight(including batteries)=5500lbs
hope this helps.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
>Here are some numbers for Windermere:
> What is the loaded weight of the Widermere? Thanks
Displacement at 10" draft=aprox.7000lbs.
at 11" draft= aprox.8000lbs.
Fuel weight=1230lbs
battery weight=1824lbs
freshwater weight=835lbs
fuel tankage= 200 gallons gasoline
propane tankage= 2 X 20lbs(minimum)
water tankage=100 gallons
holding tank=160 gallons
battery capacity(12 volt) of 1832AH@ 20 hrs rating
estimated cruising speed= 6.0 knots
estimated top speed= 7.5 knots
guesstimated "all dry" empty weight(including batteries)=5500lbs
hope this helps.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
> Wow, Peter - that epoxy snafu sounds like a boatbuilder' s nightmare!Anyone testing various brands of epoxies for boat building purposes? Payson used build a small section and when cured run it over with his pick up truck!
There are certified laboratories (certified to test epoxies) around - anyone know of any results?
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Lefebvre" <paul@...> wrote:
works
when
Fortunately for me,all my previous 'glass work was done with a
truly
delicious laminating resin that went on like water,saturated the
fiberglass like a wet kleenex and cured like steel.During the
intervening years(I can't believe I just wrote that!) Industrial
Formulators of Canada was bought by System Three epoxy and my
favorite
laminating resion was discontinued.
The product now being pushed by IFC is this 51CURE epoxy and that
is the stuff I bought but have not as yet glassed the boat with.
Still waiting on a reply from their tech department......
Thank God the coolers are full of ice and the beer flowing handsomely
or else I would really be in a panic :-D
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,begining to believe that there must indeed be some
higher
power who looks out for idiots like me,from along the shores of the
muggy St.Lawrence..........
>raising
> Wow, Peter - that epoxy snafu sounds like a boatbuilder's nightmare!
> Especially with all the work you've got into that boat already,
> doubts about the integrity of the epoxy is awfully bad news! Hopeit
works
> out all right and that you hadn't gotten too far into that badbatch
when
> you got the news!Hi Paul,
>
> Paul L.
Fortunately for me,all my previous 'glass work was done with a
truly
delicious laminating resin that went on like water,saturated the
fiberglass like a wet kleenex and cured like steel.During the
intervening years(I can't believe I just wrote that!) Industrial
Formulators of Canada was bought by System Three epoxy and my
favorite
laminating resion was discontinued.
The product now being pushed by IFC is this 51CURE epoxy and that
is the stuff I bought but have not as yet glassed the boat with.
Still waiting on a reply from their tech department......
Thank God the coolers are full of ice and the beer flowing handsomely
or else I would really be in a panic :-D
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,begining to believe that there must indeed be some
higher
power who looks out for idiots like me,from along the shores of the
muggy St.Lawrence..........
>
Wow, Peter - that epoxy snafu sounds like a boatbuilder's nightmare!
Especially with all the work you've got into that boat already, raising
doubts about the integrity of the epoxy is awfully bad news! Hope it works
out all right and that you hadn't gotten too far into that bad batch when
you got the news!
Paul L.
Especially with all the work you've got into that boat already, raising
doubts about the integrity of the epoxy is awfully bad news! Hope it works
out all right and that you hadn't gotten too far into that bad batch when
you got the news!
Paul L.
What is the loaded weight of the Widermere? Thanks
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From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Peter Lenihan
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 3:53 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Windermere up-date
Bolgerados,
Presently experiencing some "forced" downtime from finishing
her
due to a wee recently discovered problem with my epoxy.The epoxy in
question is Industrial Formulators 51 CURE laminating resin. To wit;
glass cloth "easily" can be peeled off a plywood sheet leaving the
cured epoxy behind.NOT GOOD NEWS. This was brought to my attention
several weeks ago by a fellow user of the same epoxy upon glassing
his
entire deck.When he went to lift and trim the exposed overhanging
cloth,(left to cure for two days)he noticed what looked like an
epoxy starved patch in the cloth
right where he pulled.As you may have guessed,he pulled a bit
more and lifted one whole panel clean off his deck. With barely
concealed rage,confusion and frustration, he rang up our mutual
Industrial Formulators supplier
to find out what the hell went wrong.After first establishing that
everything was done right in the first place(sanding,-careful
measuring
of the epoxy,thorough mixing,temp. cure time, etc,etc) the supplier
was at a
lose.Subsequently,-he(supplier) rang me up to alert me to this
problem ,since he has my epoxy order in hand,and we proceeded to
make
up a few of our own test samples.Well darned if the same thing
didn't
happen to our test samples as well! We thought that perhaps it was
something in the fiberglass cloth that was inhibiting full adhession
and so tried another cloth from a different supplier.Same dreadful
results! Then bought a few small samples of other epoxy brands and
presto!,rock solid adhession...-....
Thus our conclusion is that something is amiss with the(our) IFC 51
CURE batch.
I've since e-mailed the tech department of Industrial Formulators of
Canada,giving them a brief outline of our problem and even offering
to
send them out test samples for their complete and proper
analysis.Still waiting for their a response....-......
And so it goes, with about 2 X 250 square feet of 'glassing left to
do, I'm loath to blow my 30 odd litres of epoxy if the stuff won't
work.
The enforced delay hasn't be too painful mind you since my crewette
appreciates the new found bonus time we now spend together.It also
allowed me to pick up a neat little contract at the boat yard to do
a
repair piece on a friends boat.Easy money in my books!
Must steal some time away from crewette to organize my fresh batch
of
photos too.....!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,just only slightly peed'off at this un-expected,-un-
planned delay but mucho relieved that the original discovery occured
to another and not moi,from along the shores of the mighty
st.Lawrence.-.........-...
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From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Peter Lenihan
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 3:53 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Windermere up-date
Bolgerados,
Presently experiencing some "forced" downtime from finishing
her
due to a wee recently discovered problem with my epoxy.The epoxy in
question is Industrial Formulators 51 CURE laminating resin. To wit;
glass cloth "easily" can be peeled off a plywood sheet leaving the
cured epoxy behind.NOT GOOD NEWS. This was brought to my attention
several weeks ago by a fellow user of the same epoxy upon glassing
his
entire deck.When he went to lift and trim the exposed overhanging
cloth,(left to cure for two days)he noticed what looked like an
epoxy starved patch in the cloth
right where he pulled.As you may have guessed,he pulled a bit
more and lifted one whole panel clean off his deck. With barely
concealed rage,confusion and frustration, he rang up our mutual
Industrial Formulators supplier
to find out what the hell went wrong.After first establishing that
everything was done right in the first place(sanding,-careful
measuring
of the epoxy,thorough mixing,temp. cure time, etc,etc) the supplier
was at a
lose.Subsequently,-he(supplier) rang me up to alert me to this
problem ,since he has my epoxy order in hand,and we proceeded to
make
up a few of our own test samples.Well darned if the same thing
didn't
happen to our test samples as well! We thought that perhaps it was
something in the fiberglass cloth that was inhibiting full adhession
and so tried another cloth from a different supplier.Same dreadful
results! Then bought a few small samples of other epoxy brands and
presto!,rock solid adhession...-....
Thus our conclusion is that something is amiss with the(our) IFC 51
CURE batch.
I've since e-mailed the tech department of Industrial Formulators of
Canada,giving them a brief outline of our problem and even offering
to
send them out test samples for their complete and proper
analysis.Still waiting for their a response....-......
And so it goes, with about 2 X 250 square feet of 'glassing left to
do, I'm loath to blow my 30 odd litres of epoxy if the stuff won't
work.
The enforced delay hasn't be too painful mind you since my crewette
appreciates the new found bonus time we now spend together.It also
allowed me to pick up a neat little contract at the boat yard to do
a
repair piece on a friends boat.Easy money in my books!
Must steal some time away from crewette to organize my fresh batch
of
photos too.....!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,just only slightly peed'off at this un-expected,-un-
planned delay but mucho relieved that the original discovery occured
to another and not moi,from along the shores of the mighty
st.Lawrence.-.........-...
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Bolgerados,
Presently experiencing some "forced" downtime from finishing
her
due to a wee recently discovered problem with my epoxy.The epoxy in
question is Industrial Formulators 51 CURE laminating resin. To wit;
glass cloth "easily" can be peeled off a plywood sheet leaving the
cured epoxy behind.NOT GOOD NEWS. This was brought to my attention
several weeks ago by a fellow user of the same epoxy upon glassing
his
entire deck.When he went to lift and trim the exposed overhanging
cloth,(left to cure for two days)he noticed what looked like an
epoxy starved patch in the cloth
right where he pulled.As you may have guessed,he pulled a bit
more and lifted one whole panel clean off his deck. With barely
concealed rage,confusion and frustration, he rang up our mutual
Industrial Formulators supplier
to find out what the hell went wrong.After first establishing that
everything was done right in the first place(sanding,careful
measuring
of the epoxy,thorough mixing,temp. cure time, etc,etc) the supplier
was at a
lose.Subsequently,he(supplier) rang me up to alert me to this
problem ,since he has my epoxy order in hand,and we proceeded to
make
up a few of our own test samples.Well darned if the same thing
didn't
happen to our test samples as well! We thought that perhaps it was
something in the fiberglass cloth that was inhibiting full adhession
and so tried another cloth from a different supplier.Same dreadful
results! Then bought a few small samples of other epoxy brands and
presto!,rock solid adhession.......
Thus our conclusion is that something is amiss with the(our) IFC 51
CURE batch.
I've since e-mailed the tech department of Industrial Formulators of
Canada,giving them a brief outline of our problem and even offering
to
send them out test samples for their complete and proper
analysis.Still waiting for their a response..........
And so it goes, with about 2 X 250 square feet of 'glassing left to
do, I'm loath to blow my 30 odd litres of epoxy if the stuff won't
work.
The enforced delay hasn't be too painful mind you since my crewette
appreciates the new found bonus time we now spend together.It also
allowed me to pick up a neat little contract at the boat yard to do
a
repair piece on a friends boat.Easy money in my books!
Must steal some time away from crewette to organize my fresh batch
of
photos too.....!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,just only slightly peed'off at this un-expected,un-
planned delay but mucho relieved that the original discovery occured
to another and not moi,from along the shores of the mighty
st.Lawrence.............
Presently experiencing some "forced" downtime from finishing
her
due to a wee recently discovered problem with my epoxy.The epoxy in
question is Industrial Formulators 51 CURE laminating resin. To wit;
glass cloth "easily" can be peeled off a plywood sheet leaving the
cured epoxy behind.NOT GOOD NEWS. This was brought to my attention
several weeks ago by a fellow user of the same epoxy upon glassing
his
entire deck.When he went to lift and trim the exposed overhanging
cloth,(left to cure for two days)he noticed what looked like an
epoxy starved patch in the cloth
right where he pulled.As you may have guessed,he pulled a bit
more and lifted one whole panel clean off his deck. With barely
concealed rage,confusion and frustration, he rang up our mutual
Industrial Formulators supplier
to find out what the hell went wrong.After first establishing that
everything was done right in the first place(sanding,careful
measuring
of the epoxy,thorough mixing,temp. cure time, etc,etc) the supplier
was at a
lose.Subsequently,he(supplier) rang me up to alert me to this
problem ,since he has my epoxy order in hand,and we proceeded to
make
up a few of our own test samples.Well darned if the same thing
didn't
happen to our test samples as well! We thought that perhaps it was
something in the fiberglass cloth that was inhibiting full adhession
and so tried another cloth from a different supplier.Same dreadful
results! Then bought a few small samples of other epoxy brands and
presto!,rock solid adhession.......
Thus our conclusion is that something is amiss with the(our) IFC 51
CURE batch.
I've since e-mailed the tech department of Industrial Formulators of
Canada,giving them a brief outline of our problem and even offering
to
send them out test samples for their complete and proper
analysis.Still waiting for their a response..........
And so it goes, with about 2 X 250 square feet of 'glassing left to
do, I'm loath to blow my 30 odd litres of epoxy if the stuff won't
work.
The enforced delay hasn't be too painful mind you since my crewette
appreciates the new found bonus time we now spend together.It also
allowed me to pick up a neat little contract at the boat yard to do
a
repair piece on a friends boat.Easy money in my books!
Must steal some time away from crewette to organize my fresh batch
of
photos too.....!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,just only slightly peed'off at this un-expected,un-
planned delay but mucho relieved that the original discovery occured
to another and not moi,from along the shores of the mighty
st.Lawrence.............