Re: Micro's seagoing ability
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Schmidt <largethomassails@...>
wrote:
more if one raises the boom position a bit higher for the standard
sailplan or converts to the Chinese gaff.
I enquired about a Long Micro modification update, but Susanne
believes one could simply get enough information by adapting the
Micro Navigator plans, which I have. The only challenge is the
requirement for a remote tiller location to be able to steer from
the pilothouse. Also the Chinese gaff sailplan area may have to be
re-calculated for the LM Navigator.
Susanne prefers the Long Micro hull over Micro for offshore work.
That additional 4 foot of waterline is quite an increase and the
added displacement amidships allows it to carry a considerably
larger sailplan and a larger motor.
There would be nothing "Micro" about a Long Micro Navigator:-) It
would be a big surprisingly roomy boat.
Incidently the standard Long Micro is pretty close in size to TREKKA
which circumnavigated twice and had the record for some time as the
smallest boat to do that. The book about the first voyage, in 1955-
57 is back in print again. What a great read!
http://www.fineedge.com/NAUTICAL%20BOOKS/trekkaforeword.html
Amazon also had it on sale for $12.95 USD in softcover.
Nels
wrote:
>Lestat :D
> Hi Nels,
> Thanks for answering anyway. I will contact Stefan. Have fun with
> I read you thought about pursaching the Navigator update for theLong
> Micro plans? I wonder whether it enhances the space considerably,One could get about 5'10' headroom amidships in a LM Navigator and
> especially the headroom?
>
> Best regards,
> Thomas
>
more if one raises the boom position a bit higher for the standard
sailplan or converts to the Chinese gaff.
I enquired about a Long Micro modification update, but Susanne
believes one could simply get enough information by adapting the
Micro Navigator plans, which I have. The only challenge is the
requirement for a remote tiller location to be able to steer from
the pilothouse. Also the Chinese gaff sailplan area may have to be
re-calculated for the LM Navigator.
Susanne prefers the Long Micro hull over Micro for offshore work.
That additional 4 foot of waterline is quite an increase and the
added displacement amidships allows it to carry a considerably
larger sailplan and a larger motor.
There would be nothing "Micro" about a Long Micro Navigator:-) It
would be a big surprisingly roomy boat.
Incidently the standard Long Micro is pretty close in size to TREKKA
which circumnavigated twice and had the record for some time as the
smallest boat to do that. The book about the first voyage, in 1955-
57 is back in print again. What a great read!
http://www.fineedge.com/NAUTICAL%20BOOKS/trekkaforeword.html
Amazon also had it on sale for $12.95 USD in softcover.
Nels
Hi Nels,
Thanks for answering anyway. I will contact Stefan. Have fun with Lestat :D
I read you thought about pursaching the Navigator update for the Long
Micro plans? I wonder whether it enhances the space considerably,
especially the headroom?
Best regards,
Thomas
----Original Message----
Nels wrote:
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Thanks for answering anyway. I will contact Stefan. Have fun with Lestat :D
I read you thought about pursaching the Navigator update for the Long
Micro plans? I wonder whether it enhances the space considerably,
especially the headroom?
Best regards,
Thomas
----Original Message----
Nels wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,___________________________________________________________
> "largethomassails"
> <largethomassails@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm new to your wonderful and most interesting group and I just
> > stumbled in here as I'm wondering about building a Micro or a
> similar
> > - veeeery - small cruising boat. It's not my first building
> project -
> > or better will not be by the time I start with it - as I'm
> currently
> > being apprenticed as a boatbuilder over here in Lübeck, Germany, at
> > the Baltic Sea.
> >
> > Question about the Micro: Would you consider the design "seagoing"
> or
> > "seaworthy" enough to mostly do coastal trips in it? It's just we
> > don't have too much interesting inshore water around here, and I
> don't
> > want to exlusively sail on lakes.
> >
> > So I'm generally interested in your experience and thoughts on
> going
> > "out" on a Micro or a similar design, such as the Chebacco.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Thomas
> >
>
> Hi Thomas,
>
> Late reply here to your post as I have been away for two weeks. You
> might be interested in contacting a fellow countryman of yours named
> Stefan Nohn who has built a Seabird 86 called I think "Blue Air" and
> I believe lives in Dusseldorf or therabouts.
>
>http://ca.geocities.com/nohnpages/original.html
> <http://ca.geocities.com/nohnpages/original.html>
>
> He could expand on what he likes about the design and some things he
> is not so crazy about - lack of interior space being one thing I
> believe he mentioned. It is certainly a design capable of off-shore
> work with a smooth and easy motion. Also it is great for single-
> handed sailing with the junk rig he is using and also for canal use.
>
> His e-mail is at the bottom of the home page.
>
> Nels
>
>
>
>
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Hi Peter,
I do very much think I will enjoy the building. There may be hours you
mourn your fate and the lightly curse the day the ill luck of finding
out about a beautiful boat hit you. But as you instantly fell in love
with it and wanted nothing more then to build one like this... you won't
give up. At least not me.
Because I, too, know the Zen Zone. Just experienced it again today,
although in the Zen Lite version, while painting the bottom of a work
catamaran with tar epoxy.
I found your "articles" at Duckworks, and I love your style of writing,
whether it is in those "articles" or in here, at the Bolger group.
I see you as a pub-going gentleman-boatbuilder, and a true gentleman indeed!
By the way, I guess at least as long as those pictures of Lestat are
online your fame will never cease, and I may say we're all looking
forward to the turning-out of your Lady Windemere...
Best regards,
Thomas
Peter Lenihan wrote:
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I do very much think I will enjoy the building. There may be hours you
mourn your fate and the lightly curse the day the ill luck of finding
out about a beautiful boat hit you. But as you instantly fell in love
with it and wanted nothing more then to build one like this... you won't
give up. At least not me.
Because I, too, know the Zen Zone. Just experienced it again today,
although in the Zen Lite version, while painting the bottom of a work
catamaran with tar epoxy.
I found your "articles" at Duckworks, and I love your style of writing,
whether it is in those "articles" or in here, at the Bolger group.
I see you as a pub-going gentleman-boatbuilder, and a true gentleman indeed!
By the way, I guess at least as long as those pictures of Lestat are
online your fame will never cease, and I may say we're all looking
forward to the turning-out of your Lady Windemere...
Best regards,
Thomas
Peter Lenihan wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,___________________________________________________________
> Thomas Schmidt <largethomassails@...>
> wrote:
> > @Peter Lenihan: Thanks for the adviceI love the looks of Lestat (yes,
> > David, I really do)! One excellent piece of work every boat builder
> > would be proud of. I just hope I get to do it this good, too.
> > Was the cockpit of Lestat build to the original plans or did you
> modify it?
> > Same question as to Buck... Do you know the weight of Lestat?
> > Do you still have any website online? Because all links to your site
> are
> > invalid.
> > Happy Canada Day to you, too :-D
> >
> > Many thanks again to all of you,
> > Cheers
> > Thomas
> Hi Thomas,
>
> Thanks! The cockpit was built as per plan with the only exception
> being my addition of inclined back-rests for the cockpit coamings
> rather then the dead straight(vertical) ones on the plans.
> It has been too many years but I seem to recall her weight being
> somewhere near 900lbs....+ or - say a 100 lbs.:-)
> Regarding my"website online", I never had a website however a number of
> nice pictures where posted and included with a few "articles" I had
> written for the world famous online e-zine,DUCKWORKS MAGAZINE. Perhaps
> it is/was links to these that you mistook for a personal website?
>
> At any rate, you may rest assured that whichever Bolger beauty you
> decide to build, there will be some nice helpful folks within this
> group to help you along with useful tidbits of fabulously free advice
> for the taking ;-) Just never forget to have lots of fun and to enjoy
> the process for this will one day come to an end after you launch and I
> dare say there will be days on the water when you will look back
> longingly at those heading days spent making sawdust :-)
>
> HAPPY BOATBUILDING!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Peter Lenihan.......
> Sincerely
>
>
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "largethomassails"
<largethomassails@...> wrote:
Late reply here to your post as I have been away for two weeks. You
might be interested in contacting a fellow countryman of yours named
Stefan Nohn who has built a Seabird 86 called I think "Blue Air" and
I believe lives in Dusseldorf or therabouts.
http://ca.geocities.com/nohnpages/original.html
He could expand on what he likes about the design and some things he
is not so crazy about - lack of interior space being one thing I
believe he mentioned. It is certainly a design capable of off-shore
work with a smooth and easy motion. Also it is great for single-
handed sailing with the junk rig he is using and also for canal use.
His e-mail is at the bottom of the home page.
Nels
<largethomassails@...> wrote:
>similar
> Hi all,
>
> I'm new to your wonderful and most interesting group and I just
> stumbled in here as I'm wondering about building a Micro or a
> - veeeery - small cruising boat. It's not my first buildingproject -
> or better will not be by the time I start with it - as I'mcurrently
> being apprenticed as a boatbuilder over here in Lübeck, Germany, ator
> the Baltic Sea.
>
> Question about the Micro: Would you consider the design "seagoing"
> "seaworthy" enough to mostly do coastal trips in it? It's just wedon't
> don't have too much interesting inshore water around here, and I
> want to exlusively sail on lakes.going
>
> So I'm generally interested in your experience and thoughts on
> "out" on a Micro or a similar design, such as the Chebacco.Hi Thomas,
>
> Cheers
> Thomas
>
Late reply here to your post as I have been away for two weeks. You
might be interested in contacting a fellow countryman of yours named
Stefan Nohn who has built a Seabird 86 called I think "Blue Air" and
I believe lives in Dusseldorf or therabouts.
http://ca.geocities.com/nohnpages/original.html
He could expand on what he likes about the design and some things he
is not so crazy about - lack of interior space being one thing I
believe he mentioned. It is certainly a design capable of off-shore
work with a smooth and easy motion. Also it is great for single-
handed sailing with the junk rig he is using and also for canal use.
His e-mail is at the bottom of the home page.
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Schmidt <largethomassails@...>
wrote:
Thanks! The cockpit was built as per plan with the only exception
being my addition of inclined back-rests for the cockpit coamings
rather then the dead straight(vertical) ones on the plans.
It has been too many years but I seem to recall her weight being
somewhere near 900lbs....+ or - say a 100 lbs.:-)
Regarding my"website online", I never had a website however a number of
nice pictures where posted and included with a few "articles" I had
written for the world famous online e-zine,DUCKWORKS MAGAZINE. Perhaps
it is/was links to these that you mistook for a personal website?
At any rate, you may rest assured that whichever Bolger beauty you
decide to build, there will be some nice helpful folks within this
group to help you along with useful tidbits of fabulously free advice
for the taking ;-) Just never forget to have lots of fun and to enjoy
the process for this will one day come to an end after you launch and I
dare say there will be days on the water when you will look back
longingly at those heading days spent making sawdust :-)
HAPPY BOATBUILDING!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan.......
Sincerely
wrote:
> @Peter Lenihan: Thanks for the adviceI love the looks of Lestat (yes,modify it?
> David, I really do)! One excellent piece of work every boat builder
> would be proud of. I just hope I get to do it this good, too.
> Was the cockpit of Lestat build to the original plans or did you
> Same question as to Buck... Do you know the weight of Lestat?are
> Do you still have any website online? Because all links to your site
> invalid.Hi Thomas,
> Happy Canada Day to you, too :-D
>
> Many thanks again to all of you,
> Cheers
> Thomas
Thanks! The cockpit was built as per plan with the only exception
being my addition of inclined back-rests for the cockpit coamings
rather then the dead straight(vertical) ones on the plans.
It has been too many years but I seem to recall her weight being
somewhere near 900lbs....+ or - say a 100 lbs.:-)
Regarding my"website online", I never had a website however a number of
nice pictures where posted and included with a few "articles" I had
written for the world famous online e-zine,DUCKWORKS MAGAZINE. Perhaps
it is/was links to these that you mistook for a personal website?
At any rate, you may rest assured that whichever Bolger beauty you
decide to build, there will be some nice helpful folks within this
group to help you along with useful tidbits of fabulously free advice
for the taking ;-) Just never forget to have lots of fun and to enjoy
the process for this will one day come to an end after you launch and I
dare say there will be days on the water when you will look back
longingly at those heading days spent making sawdust :-)
HAPPY BOATBUILDING!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan.......
Sincerely
All great knowledge-sharers,
I'm grateful to all the interesting information you're offering, and be
assured that neither of your advice is touching on inattentive ears!
@David Graybeal: Thanks for the inspiring quote. And for the
blessings... :-D
"When it comes, the desire to build a boat is one of those that cannot
be resisted. It begins as a little cloud on a serene horizon. It ends by
covering the whole sky, so that you think of nothing else" -- Arthur Rans
I'll try to always keep an eye on th e glittering surface of the
water... and I hope that will be what always pushes me along to finish
the boat and to get it into the water!
I guess one reason for choosing the Micro (or Long Micro) is the
following: I am - doubt it or not - 6' 8 3/4'' (2.05 metres) tall.
@Buck Crowley: Building the hull from 1/2 inch occume seems to be pretty
heavy, but you say it makes for a strong boat, and Phil approved of it.
Could you tell me your boat's empty weight?
In speaking about real cockpits I presume you meant such opening to the aft?
@John Mann: I guessed from the beginning that she is no race boat... :-D
I'm not looking for one at this time, otherwise I'd stick to my dream of
a Minitransat boat. I'm just looking for a nice little boat to get out
on the water with and which I can use for small cruises over the
weekend. I don't like to be forced to camp out on the beach every night
when going out on a dinghy, so I figured some cabin cruiser, also to do
some serious several-weeks-cruising, as I definitely want to visit
Scotland and Ireland by boat once. Not sure whether a Micro is good for
that, but it would be nice...
@Peter Lenihan: Thanks for the adviceI love the looks of Lestat (yes,
David, I really do)! One excellent piece of work every boat builder
would be proud of. I just hope I get to do it this good, too.
Same question as to Buck... Do you know the weight of Lestat?
Interesting articles on Duckworks you have on Lestat!
Happy Canada Day to you, too :-D
Many thanks again to all of you,
Cheers
Thomas
----Original Message----
Large Thomas sails on a big blue sea of dreams...
Haiku, the gonna-be micro cruiser... headroom for a tall man? No,
thanks! Space for dreams? Yes, please!
___________________________________________________________
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I'm grateful to all the interesting information you're offering, and be
assured that neither of your advice is touching on inattentive ears!
@David Graybeal: Thanks for the inspiring quote. And for the
blessings... :-D
"When it comes, the desire to build a boat is one of those that cannot
be resisted. It begins as a little cloud on a serene horizon. It ends by
covering the whole sky, so that you think of nothing else" -- Arthur Rans
I'll try to always keep an eye on th e glittering surface of the
water... and I hope that will be what always pushes me along to finish
the boat and to get it into the water!
I guess one reason for choosing the Micro (or Long Micro) is the
following: I am - doubt it or not - 6' 8 3/4'' (2.05 metres) tall.
@Buck Crowley: Building the hull from 1/2 inch occume seems to be pretty
heavy, but you say it makes for a strong boat, and Phil approved of it.
Could you tell me your boat's empty weight?
In speaking about real cockpits I presume you meant such opening to the aft?
@John Mann: I guessed from the beginning that she is no race boat... :-D
I'm not looking for one at this time, otherwise I'd stick to my dream of
a Minitransat boat. I'm just looking for a nice little boat to get out
on the water with and which I can use for small cruises over the
weekend. I don't like to be forced to camp out on the beach every night
when going out on a dinghy, so I figured some cabin cruiser, also to do
some serious several-weeks-cruising, as I definitely want to visit
Scotland and Ireland by boat once. Not sure whether a Micro is good for
that, but it would be nice...
@Peter Lenihan: Thanks for the adviceI love the looks of Lestat (yes,
David, I really do)! One excellent piece of work every boat builder
would be proud of. I just hope I get to do it this good, too.
Same question as to Buck... Do you know the weight of Lestat?
Interesting articles on Duckworks you have on Lestat!
Happy Canada Day to you, too :-D
Many thanks again to all of you,
Cheers
Thomas
----Original Message----
> Thomas,--
>
> The Micro is a great boat for coastal cruising given that you keep a
> careful eye on the weather. She is self righting and self bailing,
> has a great volume that can be fitted out as the owner desires. There
> is nothing complicated about the building process except maybe the
> lead keel, but this can be outsourced to a foundry. It took me a long
> time to understand that the Micro is cruiser/daysailer, not a racing
> boat. She is a heavy displacement high volume design and of short
> waterline length, so she wont bolt along. In light winds and choppy
> waters she will plonk around like a cork. However when the wind picks
> up she comes into her own and will scream along (with sail reefed) in
> 20 - 25 knots reasonably comfortably. The rig is relatively "low
> tech" and care needs to be taken to get the best sail shape possible
> for all conditions to ensure she gives optimum performance. Two
> people would cruise very comfortably in a Micro given her capacity for
> storing provisions. I keep my Micro on a mooring and which is ideal
> for impulse sailing. Given her volume, weight and the mast length and
> its weight I would think that sailing regularly would be a bit of a
> chore (IMHO),
>
> Cheers,
>
> John Mann
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "largethomassails"
> <largethomassails@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm new to your wonderful and most interesting group and I just
> > stumbled in here as I'm wondering about building a Micro or a similar
> > - veeeery - small cruising boat. It's not my first building project -
> > or better will not be by the time I start with it - as I'm currently
> > being apprenticed as a boatbuilder over here in Lübeck, Germany, at
> > the Baltic Sea.
> >
> > Question about the Micro: Would you consider the design "seagoing" or
> > "seaworthy" enough to mostly do coastal trips in it? It's just we
> > don't have too much interesting inshore water around here, and I don't
> > want to exlusively sail on lakes.
> >
> > So I'm generally interested in your experience and thoughts on going
> > "out" on a Micro or a similar design, such as the Chebacco.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Thomas
> >
>
Large Thomas sails on a big blue sea of dreams...
Haiku, the gonna-be micro cruiser... headroom for a tall man? No,
thanks! Space for dreams? Yes, please!
___________________________________________________________
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All great knowledge-sharers,
I'm grateful to all the interesting information you're offering, and be
assured that neither of your advice is touching on inattentive ears!
@David Graybeal: Thanks for the inspiring quote. And for the
blessings... :-D
"When it comes, the desire to build a boat is one of those that cannot
be resisted. It begins as a little cloud on a serene horizon. It ends by
covering the whole sky, so that you think of nothing else" -- Arthur Rans
I'll try to always keep an eye on th e glittering surface of the
water... and I hope that will be what always pushes me along to finish
the boat and to get it into the water!
I guess one reason for choosing the Micro (or Long Micro) is the
following: I am - doubt it or not - 6' 8 3/4'' (2.05 metres) tall.
@Buck Crowley: Building the hull from 1/2 inch occume seems to be pretty
heavy, but you say it makes for a strong boat, and Phil approved of it.
Could you tell me your boat's empty weight?
In speaking about real cockpits I presume you meant such opening to the aft?
@John Mann: I guessed from the beginning that she is no race boat... :-D
I'm not looking for one at this time, otherwise I'd stick to my dream of
a Minitransat boat. I'm just looking for a nice little boat to get out
on the water with and which I can use for small cruises over the
weekend. I don't like to be forced to camp out on the beach every night
when going out on a dinghy, so I figured some cabin cruiser, also to do
some serious several-weeks-cruising, as I definitely want to visit
Scotland and Ireland by boat once. Not sure whether a Micro is good for
that, but it would be nice...
@Peter Lenihan: Thanks for the adviceI love the looks of Lestat (yes,
David, I really do)! One excellent piece of work every boat builder
would be proud of. I just hope I get to do it this good, too.
Was the cockpit of Lestat build to the original plans or did you modify it?
Same question as to Buck... Do you know the weight of Lestat?
Do you still have any website online? Because all links to your site are
invalid.
Happy Canada Day to you, too :-D
Many thanks again to all of you,
Cheers
Thomas
----Original Message----
Large Thomas sails on a big blue sea of dreams...
Haiku, the gonna-be micro cruiser... headroom for a tall man? No, thanks! Space for dreams? Yes, please!
___________________________________________________________
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I'm grateful to all the interesting information you're offering, and be
assured that neither of your advice is touching on inattentive ears!
@David Graybeal: Thanks for the inspiring quote. And for the
blessings... :-D
"When it comes, the desire to build a boat is one of those that cannot
be resisted. It begins as a little cloud on a serene horizon. It ends by
covering the whole sky, so that you think of nothing else" -- Arthur Rans
I'll try to always keep an eye on th e glittering surface of the
water... and I hope that will be what always pushes me along to finish
the boat and to get it into the water!
I guess one reason for choosing the Micro (or Long Micro) is the
following: I am - doubt it or not - 6' 8 3/4'' (2.05 metres) tall.
@Buck Crowley: Building the hull from 1/2 inch occume seems to be pretty
heavy, but you say it makes for a strong boat, and Phil approved of it.
Could you tell me your boat's empty weight?
In speaking about real cockpits I presume you meant such opening to the aft?
@John Mann: I guessed from the beginning that she is no race boat... :-D
I'm not looking for one at this time, otherwise I'd stick to my dream of
a Minitransat boat. I'm just looking for a nice little boat to get out
on the water with and which I can use for small cruises over the
weekend. I don't like to be forced to camp out on the beach every night
when going out on a dinghy, so I figured some cabin cruiser, also to do
some serious several-weeks-cruising, as I definitely want to visit
Scotland and Ireland by boat once. Not sure whether a Micro is good for
that, but it would be nice...
@Peter Lenihan: Thanks for the adviceI love the looks of Lestat (yes,
David, I really do)! One excellent piece of work every boat builder
would be proud of. I just hope I get to do it this good, too.
Was the cockpit of Lestat build to the original plans or did you modify it?
Same question as to Buck... Do you know the weight of Lestat?
Do you still have any website online? Because all links to your site are
invalid.
Happy Canada Day to you, too :-D
Many thanks again to all of you,
Cheers
Thomas
----Original Message----
> Thomas,--
>
> The Micro is a great boat for coastal cruising given that you keep a
> careful eye on the weather. She is self righting and self bailing,
> has a great volume that can be fitted out as the owner desires. There
> is nothing complicated about the building process except maybe the
> lead keel, but this can be outsourced to a foundry. It took me a long
> time to understand that the Micro is cruiser/daysailer, not a racing
> boat. She is a heavy displacement high volume design and of short
> waterline length, so she wont bolt along. In light winds and choppy
> waters she will plonk around like a cork. However when the wind picks
> up she comes into her own and will scream along (with sail reefed) in
> 20 - 25 knots reasonably comfortably. The rig is relatively "low
> tech" and care needs to be taken to get the best sail shape possible
> for all conditions to ensure she gives optimum performance. Two
> people would cruise very comfortably in a Micro given her capacity for
> storing provisions. I keep my Micro on a mooring and which is ideal
> for impulse sailing. Given her volume, weight and the mast length and
> its weight I would think that sailing regularly would be a bit of a
> chore (IMHO),
>
> Cheers,
>
> John Mann
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "largethomassails"
> <largethomassails@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm new to your wonderful and most interesting group and I just
> > stumbled in here as I'm wondering about building a Micro or a similar
> > - veeeery - small cruising boat. It's not my first building project -
> > or better will not be by the time I start with it - as I'm currently
> > being apprenticed as a boatbuilder over here in Lübeck, Germany, at
> > the Baltic Sea.
> >
> > Question about the Micro: Would you consider the design "seagoing" or
> > "seaworthy" enough to mostly do coastal trips in it? It's just we
> > don't have too much interesting inshore water around here, and I don't
> > want to exlusively sail on lakes.
> >
> > So I'm generally interested in your experience and thoughts on going
> > "out" on a Micro or a similar design, such as the Chebacco.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Thomas
> >
>
>
>
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Haiku, the gonna-be micro cruiser... headroom for a tall man? No, thanks! Space for dreams? Yes, please!
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<largethomassails@...> wrote:
"Seaworthy"; a big part of the answer will be related to how
well
you build her and just how much confidence you have in her to hold
together when things get rough.Practicing good seamanship, with all
that entails, like watching your weather etc.... can help alot in
keeping her seaworthy :-)
"Seagoing"; define sea :-D....MICRO was not intended to be an
ocean going vessel but that does not mean she could not handle a bit
of
it with a competent skipper and regards to the above note on
seaworthy.
I would imagine if one did not get too carried away with the
bewitching
nature of a MICRO(large interior volume,self-righting,self-bailing
and
darned cute) and kept firmly in mind that she is ONLY 15' 6" long
then
one may not come to much harm. Off-shore sailing would also suggest
not
skipping the addition of all the foam floatation specified on the
plans!
Build her to the best of your abilities,increase the scantlings to
1/2" plywood,reef earlier then you think and you may well have some
grand adventures and great happiness when all is said and done.Take
lots of pictures!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,ex owner/builder of the Micro LESTAT,from along the
shores of the festive St.Lawrence...HAPPY CANADA DAY all you Cannucks
!!!!!!!......eh!
<largethomassails@...> wrote:
> Question about the Micro: Would you consider the design "seagoing"or
> "seaworthy" enough to mostly do coastal trips in it?Hi Thomas,
"Seaworthy"; a big part of the answer will be related to how
well
you build her and just how much confidence you have in her to hold
together when things get rough.Practicing good seamanship, with all
that entails, like watching your weather etc.... can help alot in
keeping her seaworthy :-)
"Seagoing"; define sea :-D....MICRO was not intended to be an
ocean going vessel but that does not mean she could not handle a bit
of
it with a competent skipper and regards to the above note on
seaworthy.
I would imagine if one did not get too carried away with the
bewitching
nature of a MICRO(large interior volume,self-righting,self-bailing
and
darned cute) and kept firmly in mind that she is ONLY 15' 6" long
then
one may not come to much harm. Off-shore sailing would also suggest
not
skipping the addition of all the foam floatation specified on the
plans!
Build her to the best of your abilities,increase the scantlings to
1/2" plywood,reef earlier then you think and you may well have some
grand adventures and great happiness when all is said and done.Take
lots of pictures!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,ex owner/builder of the Micro LESTAT,from along the
shores of the festive St.Lawrence...HAPPY CANADA DAY all you Cannucks
!!!!!!!......eh!
Thomas,
The Micro is a great boat for coastal cruising given that you keep a
careful eye on the weather. She is self righting and self bailing,
has a great volume that can be fitted out as the owner desires. There
is nothing complicated about the building process except maybe the
lead keel, but this can be outsourced to a foundry. It took me a long
time to understand that the Micro is cruiser/daysailer, not a racing
boat. She is a heavy displacement high volume design and of short
waterline length, so she wont bolt along. In light winds and choppy
waters she will plonk around like a cork. However when the wind picks
up she comes into her own and will scream along (with sail reefed) in
20 - 25 knots reasonably comfortably. The rig is relatively "low
tech" and care needs to be taken to get the best sail shape possible
for all conditions to ensure she gives optimum performance. Two
people would cruise very comfortably in a Micro given her capacity for
storing provisions. I keep my Micro on a mooring and which is ideal
for impulse sailing. Given her volume, weight and the mast length and
its weight I would think that sailing regularly would be a bit of a
chore (IMHO),
Cheers,
John Mann
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "largethomassails"
<largethomassails@...> wrote:
The Micro is a great boat for coastal cruising given that you keep a
careful eye on the weather. She is self righting and self bailing,
has a great volume that can be fitted out as the owner desires. There
is nothing complicated about the building process except maybe the
lead keel, but this can be outsourced to a foundry. It took me a long
time to understand that the Micro is cruiser/daysailer, not a racing
boat. She is a heavy displacement high volume design and of short
waterline length, so she wont bolt along. In light winds and choppy
waters she will plonk around like a cork. However when the wind picks
up she comes into her own and will scream along (with sail reefed) in
20 - 25 knots reasonably comfortably. The rig is relatively "low
tech" and care needs to be taken to get the best sail shape possible
for all conditions to ensure she gives optimum performance. Two
people would cruise very comfortably in a Micro given her capacity for
storing provisions. I keep my Micro on a mooring and which is ideal
for impulse sailing. Given her volume, weight and the mast length and
its weight I would think that sailing regularly would be a bit of a
chore (IMHO),
Cheers,
John Mann
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "largethomassails"
<largethomassails@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm new to your wonderful and most interesting group and I just
> stumbled in here as I'm wondering about building a Micro or a similar
> - veeeery - small cruising boat. It's not my first building project -
> or better will not be by the time I start with it - as I'm currently
> being apprenticed as a boatbuilder over here in Lübeck, Germany, at
> the Baltic Sea.
>
> Question about the Micro: Would you consider the design "seagoing" or
> "seaworthy" enough to mostly do coastal trips in it? It's just we
> don't have too much interesting inshore water around here, and I don't
> want to exlusively sail on lakes.
>
> So I'm generally interested in your experience and thoughts on going
> "out" on a Micro or a similar design, such as the Chebacco.
>
> Cheers
> Thomas
>
Thomas,
I would watch the weather and plan carefully but I would not hesitate to
take my Micro across the English Channel and I have made the crossing in a
small boat.
A Micro by the way has alot of storage space and it's easily accessed. As
for the cabin it is much roomier than the Chebbacos'. If you do decide to
build one stick to the design as Phil has drawn it. I have seen a micro on
the internet built with a cockpit instead of a simple hatch. Don't do this.
A "normal" cockpit would reduce available storage be more difficult to build
and make access to the remaining sorage difficult. I really like the
designed cockpit anyways. I often sail the boat standing up in the hatch or
sit on the edge facing forward. If I feel the hatch cover needs to be on for
safety the deck is very secure and comfortable and should the boat getted
knocked down on its side ( it's never happned to me ) your better off with
your feet up on the deck if you want to stay in the boat.
I do have two complaints about the boat however. One is that mine doesn't
point very high although it could be my sails and two even very small waves
make for a noisy cabin while at anchor. Other than that I love my boat.
One more note of caution. Don't build a boat with the idea that it is
economical. In this country old boats are available for much less than you
could ever build one of similar size That being said I would still encourage
you to build your Micro if you have the time and patience to do so..
Buck
I would watch the weather and plan carefully but I would not hesitate to
take my Micro across the English Channel and I have made the crossing in a
small boat.
A Micro by the way has alot of storage space and it's easily accessed. As
for the cabin it is much roomier than the Chebbacos'. If you do decide to
build one stick to the design as Phil has drawn it. I have seen a micro on
the internet built with a cockpit instead of a simple hatch. Don't do this.
A "normal" cockpit would reduce available storage be more difficult to build
and make access to the remaining sorage difficult. I really like the
designed cockpit anyways. I often sail the boat standing up in the hatch or
sit on the edge facing forward. If I feel the hatch cover needs to be on for
safety the deck is very secure and comfortable and should the boat getted
knocked down on its side ( it's never happned to me ) your better off with
your feet up on the deck if you want to stay in the boat.
I do have two complaints about the boat however. One is that mine doesn't
point very high although it could be my sails and two even very small waves
make for a noisy cabin while at anchor. Other than that I love my boat.
One more note of caution. Don't build a boat with the idea that it is
economical. In this country old boats are available for much less than you
could ever build one of similar size That being said I would still encourage
you to build your Micro if you have the time and patience to do so..
Buck
>From: Philip Ridenauer <akula151@...>
>Reply-To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
>To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Micro's seagoing ability
>Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:52:47 -0700 (PDT)
>
>I was referring to http://microcruising@yahoogroups.com since they focus on
>the "veeery" small aspect.
>
>Thomas Schmidt <largethomassails@...> wrote: Thanks Greg,
>Jamie and Bruce!
>
>In fact I was told (by Paul T. Hobber, if anyone knows him) to rather
>build the Chebacco, but I'm determined to take the Micro, as it really
>looks like fun and space (which the Chebacco has all the more, but...)
>AND because I think it will be way faster to build and cheaper... The
>price of building the boat would be one of the central reasons, along
>with the simple fact that I love the looks of the Micro.
>
>So do you think it could withstand some more "open sea"-like crossing
>like the English Channel in good conditions?
>
>@Philip Ridenauer: The microcruising group you mentioned... is it this
>one: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Microcruisers/
>or that one:
>http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/sirenowners_subgroup/
>
>Regards
>Thomas
>
>----Original Message----
>
> > Hi Thomas
> >
> > Let me say up front that I am biased -- I sail a Chebacco.
> >
> > There is a Micro sailor in Australia who has done some lengthy ocean
> > trips, I forget his name but someone will surely supply it. I've
> > only seen one Micro myself, and while I was impressed by the amount
> > of space inside, the owner said it was not a great performer to
> > windward, and he used the engine a lot in those circumstances.
> >
> > I have cruised my Chebacco for up to 12 days alone and a week with
> > two aboard (that's all the time I had, I would happily have carried
> > on for more). It performs well on all points of sail (in my
> > opinion, of course) and is certainly seaworthy for coastal sailing.
> > I've crossed up to 30 miles of open water several times, although I
> > try to pick good weather for this. I would think the Baltic would
> > be a perfect cruising area for a boat like the Chebacco.
> >
> > That's enough sales talk, I'll let the Micro sailors have a turn.
> > But take a look at Richard Spelling's www.chebacco.com for building
> > and sailing stories from lots of Chebacco owners.
> >
> > Jamie Orr
> > Chebacco Wayward Lass
> >
> > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "largethomassails"
> > <largethomassails@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I'm new to your wonderful and most interesting group and I just
> > > stumbled in here as I'm wondering about building a Micro or a
> > similar
> > > - veeeery - small cruising boat. It's not my first building
> > project -
> > > or better will not be by the time I start with it - as I'm
> > currently
> > > being apprenticed as a boatbuilder over here in L�beck, Germany, at
> > > the Baltic Sea.
> > >
> > > Question about the Micro: Would you consider the design "seagoing"
> > or
> > > "seaworthy" enough to mostly do coastal trips in it? It's just we
> > > don't have too much interesting inshore water around here, and I
> > don't
> > > want to exlusively sail on lakes.
> > >
> > > So I'm generally interested in your experience and thoughts on
> > going
> > > "out" on a Micro or a similar design, such as the Chebacco.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Thomas
> > >
> >
> >
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Thomas
I built my Micro about ten years go. I have have sailed in the Sea of
Cortez, the San Juan islands of Washington and the coast of New England
from Boston to Penobscot Bay in Maine and feel very confident in the boat.
Do a good job of building it and you won't be sorry for your effort.. Build
your hull from 1/2 inch occume without butt straps however not the 1/4 inch
fir specfied in the plans. I ran this by Phil and he approved stating that
the 1/4 inch was specifiedonly for reasons of economy.
Buck Crowley
I built my Micro about ten years go. I have have sailed in the Sea of
Cortez, the San Juan islands of Washington and the coast of New England
from Boston to Penobscot Bay in Maine and feel very confident in the boat.
Do a good job of building it and you won't be sorry for your effort.. Build
your hull from 1/2 inch occume without butt straps however not the 1/4 inch
fir specfied in the plans. I ran this by Phil and he approved stating that
the 1/4 inch was specifiedonly for reasons of economy.
Buck Crowley
>From: "largethomassails" <largethomassails@...>
>Reply-To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
>To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [bolger] Micro's seagoing ability
>Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 18:15:30 -0000
>
>Hi all,
>
>I'm new to your wonderful and most interesting group and I just
>stumbled in here as I'm wondering about building a Micro or a similar
>- veeeery - small cruising boat. It's not my first building project -
>or better will not be by the time I start with it - as I'm currently
>being apprenticed as a boatbuilder over here in L�beck, Germany, at
>the Baltic Sea.
>
>Question about the Micro: Would you consider the design "seagoing" or
>"seaworthy" enough to mostly do coastal trips in it? It's just we
>don't have too much interesting inshore water around here, and I don't
>want to exlusively sail on lakes.
>
>So I'm generally interested in your experience and thoughts on going
>"out" on a Micro or a similar design, such as the Chebacco.
>
>Cheers
>Thomas
>
>
>
>
>
>
I was referring to http://microcruising@yahoogroups.com since they focus on the "veeery" small aspect.
Thomas Schmidt <largethomassails@...> wrote: Thanks Greg, Jamie and Bruce!
In fact I was told (by Paul T. Hobber, if anyone knows him) to rather
build the Chebacco, but I'm determined to take the Micro, as it really
looks like fun and space (which the Chebacco has all the more, but...)
AND because I think it will be way faster to build and cheaper... The
price of building the boat would be one of the central reasons, along
with the simple fact that I love the looks of the Micro.
So do you think it could withstand some more "open sea"-like crossing
like the English Channel in good conditions?
@Philip Ridenauer: The microcruising group you mentioned... is it this
one: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Microcruisers/
or that one:
http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/sirenowners_subgroup/
Regards
Thomas
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Thomas Schmidt <largethomassails@...> wrote: Thanks Greg, Jamie and Bruce!
In fact I was told (by Paul T. Hobber, if anyone knows him) to rather
build the Chebacco, but I'm determined to take the Micro, as it really
looks like fun and space (which the Chebacco has all the more, but...)
AND because I think it will be way faster to build and cheaper... The
price of building the boat would be one of the central reasons, along
with the simple fact that I love the looks of the Micro.
So do you think it could withstand some more "open sea"-like crossing
like the English Channel in good conditions?
@Philip Ridenauer: The microcruising group you mentioned... is it this
one: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Microcruisers/
or that one:
http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/sirenowners_subgroup/
Regards
Thomas
----Original Message----
> Hi Thomas__________________________________________________________
>
> Let me say up front that I am biased -- I sail a Chebacco.
>
> There is a Micro sailor in Australia who has done some lengthy ocean
> trips, I forget his name but someone will surely supply it. I've
> only seen one Micro myself, and while I was impressed by the amount
> of space inside, the owner said it was not a great performer to
> windward, and he used the engine a lot in those circumstances.
>
> I have cruised my Chebacco for up to 12 days alone and a week with
> two aboard (that's all the time I had, I would happily have carried
> on for more). It performs well on all points of sail (in my
> opinion, of course) and is certainly seaworthy for coastal sailing.
> I've crossed up to 30 miles of open water several times, although I
> try to pick good weather for this. I would think the Baltic would
> be a perfect cruising area for a boat like the Chebacco.
>
> That's enough sales talk, I'll let the Micro sailors have a turn.
> But take a look at Richard Spelling's www.chebacco.com for building
> and sailing stories from lots of Chebacco owners.
>
> Jamie Orr
> Chebacco Wayward Lass
>
> --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "largethomassails"
> <largethomassails@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm new to your wonderful and most interesting group and I just
> > stumbled in here as I'm wondering about building a Micro or a
> similar
> > - veeeery - small cruising boat. It's not my first building
> project -
> > or better will not be by the time I start with it - as I'm
> currently
> > being apprenticed as a boatbuilder over here in Lübeck, Germany, at
> > the Baltic Sea.
> >
> > Question about the Micro: Would you consider the design "seagoing"
> or
> > "seaworthy" enough to mostly do coastal trips in it? It's just we
> > don't have too much interesting inshore water around here, and I
> don't
> > want to exlusively sail on lakes.
> >
> > So I'm generally interested in your experience and thoughts on
> going
> > "out" on a Micro or a similar design, such as the Chebacco.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Thomas
> >
>
>
>
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Thomas,
Bless your cotton socks! You're probably the first person I've heard
say, "I love the looks of the Micro". To me she's a beacon of
practical engineering genius... but not a beauty at all. She kindles
no spark in my soul. Now the Long Micro with the Navigator pilothouse
add-on... that I could maybe get exciterd about! I also love the looks
of the Chebaccos. They, however, are gonna be a bit more work to
build, and not nearly as roomy inside.
Everyone's taste is their own, and if you really like a boat, that
goes a long way toward motivating you to get it done - on those long
stretches where a boat projects seems to be losing ground to the
movement of a snail... or a glacier. It also keeps you jazzed when
it's time to fix something, or repaint, or even take the time to hook
it up, and launch it. Whatever you decide, good luck. Keep coming back
with questions. There are some very knowledgable Bolger buffs here,
and some very experienced boatbuilders. There are also some mouthy,
opinionated sorts (take a bow, David), who might offer up a nugget on
occasion.
Cheers,
David Graybeal
Portland, OR
"When it comes, the desire to build a boat is one of those that cannot
be resisted. It begins as a little cloud on a serene horizon. It ends
by covering the whole sky, so that you think of nothing else" --
Arthur Ransome
******************
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Schmidt <largethomassails@...>
wrote:
Bless your cotton socks! You're probably the first person I've heard
say, "I love the looks of the Micro". To me she's a beacon of
practical engineering genius... but not a beauty at all. She kindles
no spark in my soul. Now the Long Micro with the Navigator pilothouse
add-on... that I could maybe get exciterd about! I also love the looks
of the Chebaccos. They, however, are gonna be a bit more work to
build, and not nearly as roomy inside.
Everyone's taste is their own, and if you really like a boat, that
goes a long way toward motivating you to get it done - on those long
stretches where a boat projects seems to be losing ground to the
movement of a snail... or a glacier. It also keeps you jazzed when
it's time to fix something, or repaint, or even take the time to hook
it up, and launch it. Whatever you decide, good luck. Keep coming back
with questions. There are some very knowledgable Bolger buffs here,
and some very experienced boatbuilders. There are also some mouthy,
opinionated sorts (take a bow, David), who might offer up a nugget on
occasion.
Cheers,
David Graybeal
Portland, OR
"When it comes, the desire to build a boat is one of those that cannot
be resisted. It begins as a little cloud on a serene horizon. It ends
by covering the whole sky, so that you think of nothing else" --
Arthur Ransome
******************
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Schmidt <largethomassails@...>
wrote:
>28.06.2006
> Thanks Greg, Jamie and Bruce!
>
> In fact I was told (by Paul T. Hobber, if anyone knows him) to rather
> build the Chebacco, but I'm determined to take the Micro, as it really
> looks like fun and space (which the Chebacco has all the more, but...)
> AND because I think it will be way faster to build and cheaper... The
> price of building the boat would be one of the central reasons, along
> with the simple fact that I love the looks of the Micro.
>
> So do you think it could withstand some more "open sea"-like crossing
> like the English Channel in good conditions?
>
> @Philip Ridenauer: The microcruising group you mentioned... is it this
> one:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Microcruisers/
> or that one:
>http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/sirenowners_subgroup/
>
> Regards
> Thomas
>
> ----Original Message----
>
> > Hi Thomas
> >
> > Let me say up front that I am biased -- I sail a Chebacco.
> >
> > There is a Micro sailor in Australia who has done some lengthy ocean
> > trips, I forget his name but someone will surely supply it. I've
> > only seen one Micro myself, and while I was impressed by the amount
> > of space inside, the owner said it was not a great performer to
> > windward, and he used the engine a lot in those circumstances.
> >
> > I have cruised my Chebacco for up to 12 days alone and a week with
> > two aboard (that's all the time I had, I would happily have carried
> > on for more). It performs well on all points of sail (in my
> > opinion, of course) and is certainly seaworthy for coastal sailing.
> > I've crossed up to 30 miles of open water several times, although I
> > try to pick good weather for this. I would think the Baltic would
> > be a perfect cruising area for a boat like the Chebacco.
> >
> > That's enough sales talk, I'll let the Micro sailors have a turn.
> > But take a look at Richard Spelling's www.chebacco.com for building
> > and sailing stories from lots of Chebacco owners.
> >
> > Jamie Orr
> > Chebacco Wayward Lass
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "largethomassails"
> > <largethomassails@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I'm new to your wonderful and most interesting group and I just
> > > stumbled in here as I'm wondering about building a Micro or a
> > similar
> > > - veeeery - small cruising boat. It's not my first building
> > project -
> > > or better will not be by the time I start with it - as I'm
> > currently
> > > being apprenticed as a boatbuilder over here in Lübeck, Germany, at
> > > the Baltic Sea.
> > >
> > > Question about the Micro: Would you consider the design "seagoing"
> > or
> > > "seaworthy" enough to mostly do coastal trips in it? It's just we
> > > don't have too much interesting inshore water around here, and I
> > don't
> > > want to exlusively sail on lakes.
> > >
> > > So I'm generally interested in your experience and thoughts on
> > going
> > > "out" on a Micro or a similar design, such as the Chebacco.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Thomas
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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Thanks Greg, Jamie and Bruce!
In fact I was told (by Paul T. Hobber, if anyone knows him) to rather
build the Chebacco, but I'm determined to take the Micro, as it really
looks like fun and space (which the Chebacco has all the more, but...)
AND because I think it will be way faster to build and cheaper... The
price of building the boat would be one of the central reasons, along
with the simple fact that I love the looks of the Micro.
So do you think it could withstand some more "open sea"-like crossing
like the English Channel in good conditions?
@Philip Ridenauer: The microcruising group you mentioned... is it this
one:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Microcruisers/
or that one:
http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/sirenowners_subgroup/
Regards
Thomas
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In fact I was told (by Paul T. Hobber, if anyone knows him) to rather
build the Chebacco, but I'm determined to take the Micro, as it really
looks like fun and space (which the Chebacco has all the more, but...)
AND because I think it will be way faster to build and cheaper... The
price of building the boat would be one of the central reasons, along
with the simple fact that I love the looks of the Micro.
So do you think it could withstand some more "open sea"-like crossing
like the English Channel in good conditions?
@Philip Ridenauer: The microcruising group you mentioned... is it this
one:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Microcruisers/
or that one:
http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/sirenowners_subgroup/
Regards
Thomas
----Original Message----
> Hi Thomas___________________________________________________________
>
> Let me say up front that I am biased -- I sail a Chebacco.
>
> There is a Micro sailor in Australia who has done some lengthy ocean
> trips, I forget his name but someone will surely supply it. I've
> only seen one Micro myself, and while I was impressed by the amount
> of space inside, the owner said it was not a great performer to
> windward, and he used the engine a lot in those circumstances.
>
> I have cruised my Chebacco for up to 12 days alone and a week with
> two aboard (that's all the time I had, I would happily have carried
> on for more). It performs well on all points of sail (in my
> opinion, of course) and is certainly seaworthy for coastal sailing.
> I've crossed up to 30 miles of open water several times, although I
> try to pick good weather for this. I would think the Baltic would
> be a perfect cruising area for a boat like the Chebacco.
>
> That's enough sales talk, I'll let the Micro sailors have a turn.
> But take a look at Richard Spelling's www.chebacco.com for building
> and sailing stories from lots of Chebacco owners.
>
> Jamie Orr
> Chebacco Wayward Lass
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "largethomassails"
> <largethomassails@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm new to your wonderful and most interesting group and I just
> > stumbled in here as I'm wondering about building a Micro or a
> similar
> > - veeeery - small cruising boat. It's not my first building
> project -
> > or better will not be by the time I start with it - as I'm
> currently
> > being apprenticed as a boatbuilder over here in Lübeck, Germany, at
> > the Baltic Sea.
> >
> > Question about the Micro: Would you consider the design "seagoing"
> or
> > "seaworthy" enough to mostly do coastal trips in it? It's just we
> > don't have too much interesting inshore water around here, and I
> don't
> > want to exlusively sail on lakes.
> >
> > So I'm generally interested in your experience and thoughts on
> going
> > "out" on a Micro or a similar design, such as the Chebacco.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Thomas
> >
>
>
>
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Indeed Jamie & Thomas!
Roger Keyes' Micro Paloma Blanca, which he has sailed in South
Australian waters from the mainland to Kangaroo Island a few times
and across the Gulf of St Vicent, as well.
There is an article on one of his cruises in the Bolger Overflow
Group 7 in the files section under a file entitled Paloma Blanca
The Baltic, however, should be fine sailing for a Micro, I should
think.
Greg F
Roger Keyes' Micro Paloma Blanca, which he has sailed in South
Australian waters from the mainland to Kangaroo Island a few times
and across the Gulf of St Vicent, as well.
There is an article on one of his cruises in the Bolger Overflow
Group 7 in the files section under a file entitled Paloma Blanca
The Baltic, however, should be fine sailing for a Micro, I should
think.
Greg F
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jamie Orr" <jas_orr@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Thomas
>
> Let me say up front that I am biased -- I sail a Chebacco.
>
> There is a Micro sailor in Australia who has done some lengthy
ocean
> trips, I forget his name but someone will surely supply it. I've
> only seen one Micro myself, and while I was impressed by the amount
> of space inside, the owner said it was not a great performer to
> windward, and he used the engine a lot in those circumstances.
>
> I have cruised my Chebacco for up to 12 days alone and a week with
> two aboard (that's all the time I had, I would happily have carried
> on for more). It performs well on all points of sail (in my
> opinion, of course) and is certainly seaworthy for coastal sailing.
> I've crossed up to 30 miles of open water several times, although I
> try to pick good weather for this. I would think the Baltic would
> be a perfect cruising area for a boat like the Chebacco.
>
> That's enough sales talk, I'll let the Micro sailors have a turn.
> But take a look at Richard Spelling's www.chebacco.com for building
> and sailing stories from lots of Chebacco owners.
>
> Jamie Orr
> Chebacco Wayward Lass
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "largethomassails"
> <largethomassails@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm new to your wonderful and most interesting group and I just
> > stumbled in here as I'm wondering about building a Micro or a
> similar
> > - veeeery - small cruising boat. It's not my first building
> project -
> > or better will not be by the time I start with it - as I'm
> currently
> > being apprenticed as a boatbuilder over here in Lübeck, Germany,
at
> > the Baltic Sea.
> >
> > Question about the Micro: Would you consider the
design "seagoing"
> or
> > "seaworthy" enough to mostly do coastal trips in it? It's just we
> > don't have too much interesting inshore water around here, and I
> don't
> > want to exlusively sail on lakes.
> >
> > So I'm generally interested in your experience and thoughts on
> going
> > "out" on a Micro or a similar design, such as the Chebacco.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Thomas
> >
>
Hi Thomas
Let me say up front that I am biased -- I sail a Chebacco.
There is a Micro sailor in Australia who has done some lengthy ocean
trips, I forget his name but someone will surely supply it. I've
only seen one Micro myself, and while I was impressed by the amount
of space inside, the owner said it was not a great performer to
windward, and he used the engine a lot in those circumstances.
I have cruised my Chebacco for up to 12 days alone and a week with
two aboard (that's all the time I had, I would happily have carried
on for more). It performs well on all points of sail (in my
opinion, of course) and is certainly seaworthy for coastal sailing.
I've crossed up to 30 miles of open water several times, although I
try to pick good weather for this. I would think the Baltic would
be a perfect cruising area for a boat like the Chebacco.
That's enough sales talk, I'll let the Micro sailors have a turn.
But take a look at Richard Spelling's www.chebacco.com for building
and sailing stories from lots of Chebacco owners.
Jamie Orr
Chebacco Wayward Lass
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "largethomassails"
<largethomassails@...> wrote:
Let me say up front that I am biased -- I sail a Chebacco.
There is a Micro sailor in Australia who has done some lengthy ocean
trips, I forget his name but someone will surely supply it. I've
only seen one Micro myself, and while I was impressed by the amount
of space inside, the owner said it was not a great performer to
windward, and he used the engine a lot in those circumstances.
I have cruised my Chebacco for up to 12 days alone and a week with
two aboard (that's all the time I had, I would happily have carried
on for more). It performs well on all points of sail (in my
opinion, of course) and is certainly seaworthy for coastal sailing.
I've crossed up to 30 miles of open water several times, although I
try to pick good weather for this. I would think the Baltic would
be a perfect cruising area for a boat like the Chebacco.
That's enough sales talk, I'll let the Micro sailors have a turn.
But take a look at Richard Spelling's www.chebacco.com for building
and sailing stories from lots of Chebacco owners.
Jamie Orr
Chebacco Wayward Lass
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "largethomassails"
<largethomassails@...> wrote:
>similar
> Hi all,
>
> I'm new to your wonderful and most interesting group and I just
> stumbled in here as I'm wondering about building a Micro or a
> - veeeery - small cruising boat. It's not my first buildingproject -
> or better will not be by the time I start with it - as I'mcurrently
> being apprenticed as a boatbuilder over here in Lübeck, Germany, ator
> the Baltic Sea.
>
> Question about the Micro: Would you consider the design "seagoing"
> "seaworthy" enough to mostly do coastal trips in it? It's just wedon't
> don't have too much interesting inshore water around here, and I
> want to exlusively sail on lakes.going
>
> So I'm generally interested in your experience and thoughts on
> "out" on a Micro or a similar design, such as the Chebacco.
>
> Cheers
> Thomas
>
> I'm wondering about building a Micro or a similarThe Micro can be seaworthy for coastal cruising. Bear in mind that
> - veeeery - small cruising boat.
the very short waterline means an associated slow speed which can be a
hazard if you are trying to travel against a current. The similar,
but longer, Jessie Cooper was cruised extensively up and down your
water by Bob and Sheila Wise.
Welcome, Thomas
I noted in your entry that you "stumbled" upon the Bolger group and that you're interested in a "veeeeery" small cruising boat. In the hope that I can save you some time let me recommend the microcruising group to you. There is a lot of crossover between the two groups and it might help you in your design decisions.
Philip
largethomassails <largethomassails@...> wrote:
Hi all,
I'm new to your wonderful and most interesting group and I just
stumbled in here as I'm wondering about building a Micro or a similar
- veeeery - small cruising boat. It's not my first building project -
or better will not be by the time I start with it - as I'm currently
being apprenticed as a boatbuilder over here in Lübeck, Germany, at
the Baltic Sea.
Question about the Micro: Would you consider the design "seagoing" or
"seaworthy" enough to mostly do coastal trips in it? It's just we
don't have too much interesting inshore water around here, and I don't
want to exlusively sail on lakes.
So I'm generally interested in your experience and thoughts on going
"out" on a Micro or a similar design, such as the Chebacco.
Cheers
Thomas
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I noted in your entry that you "stumbled" upon the Bolger group and that you're interested in a "veeeeery" small cruising boat. In the hope that I can save you some time let me recommend the microcruising group to you. There is a lot of crossover between the two groups and it might help you in your design decisions.
Philip
largethomassails <largethomassails@...> wrote:
Hi all,
I'm new to your wonderful and most interesting group and I just
stumbled in here as I'm wondering about building a Micro or a similar
- veeeery - small cruising boat. It's not my first building project -
or better will not be by the time I start with it - as I'm currently
being apprenticed as a boatbuilder over here in Lübeck, Germany, at
the Baltic Sea.
Question about the Micro: Would you consider the design "seagoing" or
"seaworthy" enough to mostly do coastal trips in it? It's just we
don't have too much interesting inshore water around here, and I don't
want to exlusively sail on lakes.
So I'm generally interested in your experience and thoughts on going
"out" on a Micro or a similar design, such as the Chebacco.
Cheers
Thomas
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Hi all,
I'm new to your wonderful and most interesting group and I just
stumbled in here as I'm wondering about building a Micro or a similar
- veeeery - small cruising boat. It's not my first building project -
or better will not be by the time I start with it - as I'm currently
being apprenticed as a boatbuilder over here in Lübeck, Germany, at
the Baltic Sea.
Question about the Micro: Would you consider the design "seagoing" or
"seaworthy" enough to mostly do coastal trips in it? It's just we
don't have too much interesting inshore water around here, and I don't
want to exlusively sail on lakes.
So I'm generally interested in your experience and thoughts on going
"out" on a Micro or a similar design, such as the Chebacco.
Cheers
Thomas
I'm new to your wonderful and most interesting group and I just
stumbled in here as I'm wondering about building a Micro or a similar
- veeeery - small cruising boat. It's not my first building project -
or better will not be by the time I start with it - as I'm currently
being apprenticed as a boatbuilder over here in Lübeck, Germany, at
the Baltic Sea.
Question about the Micro: Would you consider the design "seagoing" or
"seaworthy" enough to mostly do coastal trips in it? It's just we
don't have too much interesting inshore water around here, and I don't
want to exlusively sail on lakes.
So I'm generally interested in your experience and thoughts on going
"out" on a Micro or a similar design, such as the Chebacco.
Cheers
Thomas