Re: [bolger] OT:Floatation Question: Beginning Sailing Books
There are pool toys (in US) called wacky noodles, which are about 4
inches in diameter and 5 or 6 ft long. Can be cut to length and even
color coordinated, tied or strapped to bottom of thwarts. semi ridgid
foam can be cheaply replaced as uv affects. Clyde
Tod German wrote:
inches in diameter and 5 or 6 ft long. Can be cut to length and even
color coordinated, tied or strapped to bottom of thwarts. semi ridgid
foam can be cheaply replaced as uv affects. Clyde
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-Hi Tod, If you really want to learn how to sail. Join a sailing club
that races then crew with the best sailor that will have you. If you
race your Sabot pay attention to the guy that wins all the races.
Racing with "rule" nuts and where there is a lot of protesting can be
a pain but you will learn how to sail. For dinghy sailors I can
recommend "This is Sailing" by Richard Creagh-Osborne. It should be
available new at boat shops though it may be out of print. If you
can't find a copy you can have mine for the postage and packaging.
Bob Chamberland
-- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Tod German" <tod_german@...> wrote:
that races then crew with the best sailor that will have you. If you
race your Sabot pay attention to the guy that wins all the races.
Racing with "rule" nuts and where there is a lot of protesting can be
a pain but you will learn how to sail. For dinghy sailors I can
recommend "This is Sailing" by Richard Creagh-Osborne. It should be
available new at boat shops though it may be out of print. If you
can't find a copy you can have mine for the postage and packaging.
Bob Chamberland
-- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Tod German" <tod_german@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Bolger Group
> I must say I love the civility and knowledge of this group. I have
> lurked here for a while because I love Phil Bolger's boat designs and
> his name pops up everywhere boats are talked about. Quirky, unusual,
> quixotic useful boats that sometimes look downright alien. I just
> bought 'Boats With An Open Mind' (Amazon, $22.02 USD) and it is so
> good I want to read it slow so it won't end.
>
> I just got interested in sailing a few months ago. I had sailed in a
> Catalina day sailor years ago with a buddy on San Francisco Bay and
> really liked it. Lately I have had the boat fever in a bad way. So he
> recommended I join a sailing club or buy a sailing dinghy to learn.
>
> So I did. Last week I just fell in love with a Sabot nutshell sailing
> pram. It was rebuilt to a much better than new condition by the former
> owner who, I think, really likes building as much as sailing, because
> I don't think he nearly got his materials money from me on this boat
> and I know he got nothing for his labor.
>
> But as beautiful as this boat is, the old owner tells me it is a
> 'Sinker'. That is, the one floatation chamber at the stern will not
> keep the boat from sinking when (not if) I tip it over. There is not a
> whole lot on the net about Sabot prams but lots more on the similar
> 'El Toro'. I saw glass bulkheads and inserts that keep the boats
> afloat. But that is out of the question for my boat because it is
> already perfect and adding glass to it would spoil the looks.
>
> What did interest me were inflatable tubes that could be put on the
> floor of the boat and strapped to the seats. Does anybody here know
> where these floatation tubes can be bought? If not, is there a cheap
> 'n easy substitute?
>
> I have Colgate's book, what others should I get on beginning sailing?
> Any good web sites about leaning to sail?
>
> I hope I am not too out of line with the OT post but such a greenhorn
> as me needs all the help he can get so as not to die or sink the boat.
>
> 'Tod'
>
Holt Allen manufactures flotation bags in various sizes and shapes for fairly modest prices. I live on the East Coast and my source for these is Annapolis Performance Sailing www.apsltd.com , but I would be surprised if there were not similiar businesses in your area.
Flotation takes up room in a small boat and I assume you are planning to use the space under a thwart (which is fairly common on British dinghies). There are many other things which will work for flotation including foam, milk jugs, inner tubes, and swimming pool toys. Whatever you use, make sure that the flotation is thouroughtly secured so that it doesn't pop out and float away as your boat sinks....
Have fun.
John T
Flotation takes up room in a small boat and I assume you are planning to use the space under a thwart (which is fairly common on British dinghies). There are many other things which will work for flotation including foam, milk jugs, inner tubes, and swimming pool toys. Whatever you use, make sure that the flotation is thouroughtly secured so that it doesn't pop out and float away as your boat sinks....
Have fun.
John T
----- Original Message -----
From: Tod German
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 12:44 AM
Subject: [bolger] OT:Floatation Question: Beginning Sailing Books
Hi Bolger Group
I must say I love the civility and knowledge of this group. I have
lurked here for a while because I love Phil Bolger's boat designs and
his name pops up everywhere boats are talked about. Quirky, unusual,
quixotic useful boats that sometimes look downright alien. I just
bought 'Boats With An Open Mind' (Amazon, $22.02 USD) and it is so
good I want to read it slow so it won't end.
I just got interested in sailing a few months ago. I had sailed in a
Catalina day sailor years ago with a buddy on San Francisco Bay and
really liked it. Lately I have had the boat fever in a bad way. So he
recommended I join a sailing club or buy a sailing dinghy to learn.
So I did. Last week I just fell in love with a Sabot nutshell sailing
pram. It was rebuilt to a much better than new condition by the former
owner who, I think, really likes building as much as sailing, because
I don't think he nearly got his materials money from me on this boat
and I know he got nothing for his labor.
But as beautiful as this boat is, the old owner tells me it is a
'Sinker'. That is, the one floatation chamber at the stern will not
keep the boat from sinking when (not if) I tip it over. There is not a
whole lot on the net about Sabot prams but lots more on the similar
'El Toro'. I saw glass bulkheads and inserts that keep the boats
afloat. But that is out of the question for my boat because it is
already perfect and adding glass to it would spoil the looks.
What did interest me were inflatable tubes that could be put on the
floor of the boat and strapped to the seats. Does anybody here know
where these floatation tubes can be bought? If not, is there a cheap
'n easy substitute?
I have Colgate's book, what others should I get on beginning sailing?
Any good web sites about leaning to sail?
I hope I am not too out of line with the OT post but such a greenhorn
as me needs all the help he can get so as not to die or sink the boat.
'Tod'
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> bought 'Boats With An Open Mind' (Amazon, $22.02 USD) and it is soYou, like me, can re-read that book many many times and still find new insights.
> good I want to read it slow so it won't end.
> What did interest me were inflatable tubes that could be put on theIf it were me, I would cut some blocks of styrofoam to shape and
> floor of the boat and strapped to the seats. Does anybody here know
> where these floatation tubes can be bought? If not, is there a cheap
> 'n easy substitute?
fasten them at the bow and the stern transoms.
Be aware, that at least some of the floatation should be high up near
the sheer so that the boat does not tend to turn turtle and remain
stable upside down (as would happen if the only floatation was
fastened to the bottom of the hull).
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Tod German" <tod_german@...> wrote:
Welcome aboard! Whitewater canoeists often use car or truck inner
tubes for additional floatation. Generally fixing them in place with
bungee cords or webbing straps.
Custom floatation devices can be bought at most whitewater
specialist outfitters as well.
http://www.nrsweb.com/default.asp
Or maybe google "floatation devices".
Would be great to see some photos of your pride and joy:-)
Nels
> What did interest me were inflatable tubes that could be put on thecheap
> floor of the boat and strapped to the seats. Does anybody here know
> where these floatation tubes can be bought? If not, is there a
> 'n easy substitute?Hi Tod,
>
Welcome aboard! Whitewater canoeists often use car or truck inner
tubes for additional floatation. Generally fixing them in place with
bungee cords or webbing straps.
Custom floatation devices can be bought at most whitewater
specialist outfitters as well.
http://www.nrsweb.com/default.asp
Or maybe google "floatation devices".
Would be great to see some photos of your pride and joy:-)
Nels
I don't know about your boat, but the newer Sunfish have a storage compartment under the deck, aft of the cockpit. To prevent this from filling with water and adding weight where one doesn't want it, racers stuff a partially inflated beach ball in and then pump it up to fill the space tightly.
Do you have such spaces available? I'd guarantee that the balls are cheaper than anything made for a boat.
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm
Do you have such spaces available? I'd guarantee that the balls are cheaper than anything made for a boat.
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm
----- Original Message -----
From: Tod German
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 12:44 AM
Subject: [bolger] OT:Floatation Question: Beginning Sailing Books
Hi Bolger Group
I must say I love the civility and knowledge of this group. I have
lurked here for a while because I love Phil Bolger's boat designs and
his name pops up everywhere boats are talked about. Quirky, unusual,
quixotic useful boats that sometimes look downright alien. I just
bought 'Boats With An Open Mind' (Amazon, $22.02 USD) and it is so
good I want to read it slow so it won't end.
I just got interested in sailing a few months ago. I had sailed in a
Catalina day sailor years ago with a buddy on San Francisco Bay and
really liked it. Lately I have had the boat fever in a bad way. So he
recommended I join a sailing club or buy a sailing dinghy to learn.
So I did. Last week I just fell in love with a Sabot nutshell sailing
pram. It was rebuilt to a much better than new condition by the former
owner who, I think, really likes building as much as sailing, because
I don't think he nearly got his materials money from me on this boat
and I know he got nothing for his labor.
But as beautiful as this boat is, the old owner tells me it is a
'Sinker'. That is, the one floatation chamber at the stern will not
keep the boat from sinking when (not if) I tip it over. There is not a
whole lot on the net about Sabot prams but lots more on the similar
'El Toro'. I saw glass bulkheads and inserts that keep the boats
afloat. But that is out of the question for my boat because it is
already perfect and adding glass to it would spoil the looks.
What did interest me were inflatable tubes that could be put on the
floor of the boat and strapped to the seats. Does anybody here know
where these floatation tubes can be bought? If not, is there a cheap
'n easy substitute?
I have Colgate's book, what others should I get on beginning sailing?
Any good web sites about leaning to sail?
I hope I am not too out of line with the OT post but such a greenhorn
as me needs all the help he can get so as not to die or sink the boat.
'Tod'
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Hi Bolger Group
I must say I love the civility and knowledge of this group. I have
lurked here for a while because I love Phil Bolger's boat designs and
his name pops up everywhere boats are talked about. Quirky, unusual,
quixotic useful boats that sometimes look downright alien. I just
bought 'Boats With An Open Mind' (Amazon, $22.02 USD) and it is so
good I want to read it slow so it won't end.
I just got interested in sailing a few months ago. I had sailed in a
Catalina day sailor years ago with a buddy on San Francisco Bay and
really liked it. Lately I have had the boat fever in a bad way. So he
recommended I join a sailing club or buy a sailing dinghy to learn.
So I did. Last week I just fell in love with a Sabot nutshell sailing
pram. It was rebuilt to a much better than new condition by the former
owner who, I think, really likes building as much as sailing, because
I don't think he nearly got his materials money from me on this boat
and I know he got nothing for his labor.
But as beautiful as this boat is, the old owner tells me it is a
'Sinker'. That is, the one floatation chamber at the stern will not
keep the boat from sinking when (not if) I tip it over. There is not a
whole lot on the net about Sabot prams but lots more on the similar
'El Toro'. I saw glass bulkheads and inserts that keep the boats
afloat. But that is out of the question for my boat because it is
already perfect and adding glass to it would spoil the looks.
What did interest me were inflatable tubes that could be put on the
floor of the boat and strapped to the seats. Does anybody here know
where these floatation tubes can be bought? If not, is there a cheap
'n easy substitute?
I have Colgate's book, what others should I get on beginning sailing?
Any good web sites about leaning to sail?
I hope I am not too out of line with the OT post but such a greenhorn
as me needs all the help he can get so as not to die or sink the boat.
'Tod'
I must say I love the civility and knowledge of this group. I have
lurked here for a while because I love Phil Bolger's boat designs and
his name pops up everywhere boats are talked about. Quirky, unusual,
quixotic useful boats that sometimes look downright alien. I just
bought 'Boats With An Open Mind' (Amazon, $22.02 USD) and it is so
good I want to read it slow so it won't end.
I just got interested in sailing a few months ago. I had sailed in a
Catalina day sailor years ago with a buddy on San Francisco Bay and
really liked it. Lately I have had the boat fever in a bad way. So he
recommended I join a sailing club or buy a sailing dinghy to learn.
So I did. Last week I just fell in love with a Sabot nutshell sailing
pram. It was rebuilt to a much better than new condition by the former
owner who, I think, really likes building as much as sailing, because
I don't think he nearly got his materials money from me on this boat
and I know he got nothing for his labor.
But as beautiful as this boat is, the old owner tells me it is a
'Sinker'. That is, the one floatation chamber at the stern will not
keep the boat from sinking when (not if) I tip it over. There is not a
whole lot on the net about Sabot prams but lots more on the similar
'El Toro'. I saw glass bulkheads and inserts that keep the boats
afloat. But that is out of the question for my boat because it is
already perfect and adding glass to it would spoil the looks.
What did interest me were inflatable tubes that could be put on the
floor of the boat and strapped to the seats. Does anybody here know
where these floatation tubes can be bought? If not, is there a cheap
'n easy substitute?
I have Colgate's book, what others should I get on beginning sailing?
Any good web sites about leaning to sail?
I hope I am not too out of line with the OT post but such a greenhorn
as me needs all the help he can get so as not to die or sink the boat.
'Tod'