Re: Dinghy Recommendation
Hi,
I am building both the Nymph (the small one) and the Pointy Skiff. I
haven't had either in the water yet, but I would think that the Nymph
would track better than the skiff. The skiff has much more room if
your going to fish.
I stopped building on the Nymph and have been working on the skiff
but the weather here has been so beatiful with a light breeze and
ever since I saw a Hobbie Cat flying across the river on my way home
this week, I wished the Nymph was done so I could learn to sail.
Guess I'll have to buck up and wait.
Don't know if this will help or confuse but both boats construction
are shown on my web page.http://smallboat.homepage.com
Happy sailing,
Rich
I am building both the Nymph (the small one) and the Pointy Skiff. I
haven't had either in the water yet, but I would think that the Nymph
would track better than the skiff. The skiff has much more room if
your going to fish.
I stopped building on the Nymph and have been working on the skiff
but the weather here has been so beatiful with a light breeze and
ever since I saw a Hobbie Cat flying across the river on my way home
this week, I wished the Nymph was done so I could learn to sail.
Guess I'll have to buck up and wait.
Don't know if this will help or confuse but both boats construction
are shown on my web page.http://smallboat.homepage.com
Happy sailing,
Rich
> I've thought of building a Rubens Nymph. Anyone know how shetracks under
> tow? I'm thinking of adding a skeg, if there isn't one in theplans already.
>
> What about the Pointy Skiff? Any comments?
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "LEA, PHILLIP B" <plea@e...> wrote:
http://mims.com/maib/bikeboat.htm#auray
It looks like a picture of a model. Click on it for a larger view.
Peter
> How about the Auray Dinghy.You can see a small picture of the Auray pram at the following:
http://mims.com/maib/bikeboat.htm#auray
It looks like a picture of a model. Click on it for a larger view.
Peter
Hi -
I used an Elegant Punt as a dinghy behind my AS-19 and behind my
MacGregor 26X.
It is a bit much to pull with the AS-19, but it did great behind my
MacGregor 26X.
The only time it was a hassle was when I put the 26X up on a plane -
the EP would really drag when I was going over 12 knots, but other
than that it was a great little boat.
FWIW!
Mike
http://mkstocks.tripod.com/boats
I used an Elegant Punt as a dinghy behind my AS-19 and behind my
MacGregor 26X.
It is a bit much to pull with the AS-19, but it did great behind my
MacGregor 26X.
The only time it was a hassle was when I put the 26X up on a plane -
the EP would really drag when I was going over 12 knots, but other
than that it was a great little boat.
FWIW!
Mike
http://mkstocks.tripod.com/boats
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Peter Vanderwaart" <pvanderw@o...> wrote:
>
> Not that anyone has suggested it, buy I would remove the Elegant
Punt
> from consideration. As punts go, it is narrow and high sided. Its
> best feature is the simple construction, but it was not the last
> word. PCB has always suggested Teal instead, and has come up with 5-
> 10 boats in the same size range since.
>
> Peter
How about the Auray Dinghy. The lines, drawn by Peter Lunn (3/7/80) were in
an article in Small Boat Journal, June/July 1982. In the same issue Paul
Whitin wrote that the boat is originally from Claud Worth's Yacht Cruising
1928, who had taken the lines from a dinghy in Auray Portugal. It is flat
bottom 9'8" x 4'4" x 3" draft (3'3" across the bottom, 2'6" across the
transom) with a narrow flat bow piece ~12" wide, with a very nice upswept
bow and very pleasant curves. The sides appear to be very close to an arc.
It was reported to be stable, towed well, easily rowed alone or with three
adults and gear, and seaworthy for any conditions that were prudent for
taking out a dinghy. Mr. Whitin had high praise for the boat.
I had been contemplating lofting and building the simple boat all these
years -- but then the funniest thing happened when I got the Internet -- I
saw that Mr. Bolger had already done a rendition of this boat and saw it at
MAIB On-line. It's a nice boat. If I had a scanner, I would post the
article from SBJ.
Phil Lea
an article in Small Boat Journal, June/July 1982. In the same issue Paul
Whitin wrote that the boat is originally from Claud Worth's Yacht Cruising
1928, who had taken the lines from a dinghy in Auray Portugal. It is flat
bottom 9'8" x 4'4" x 3" draft (3'3" across the bottom, 2'6" across the
transom) with a narrow flat bow piece ~12" wide, with a very nice upswept
bow and very pleasant curves. The sides appear to be very close to an arc.
It was reported to be stable, towed well, easily rowed alone or with three
adults and gear, and seaworthy for any conditions that were prudent for
taking out a dinghy. Mr. Whitin had high praise for the boat.
I had been contemplating lofting and building the simple boat all these
years -- but then the funniest thing happened when I got the Internet -- I
saw that Mr. Bolger had already done a rendition of this boat and saw it at
MAIB On-line. It's a nice boat. If I had a scanner, I would post the
article from SBJ.
Phil Lea
Not that anyone has suggested it, buy I would remove the Elegant Punt
from consideration. As punts go, it is narrow and high sided. Its
best feature is the simple construction, but it was not the last
word. PCB has always suggested Teal instead, and has come up with 5-
10 boats in the same size range since.
Peter
from consideration. As punts go, it is narrow and high sided. Its
best feature is the simple construction, but it was not the last
word. PCB has always suggested Teal instead, and has come up with 5-
10 boats in the same size range since.
Peter
Mark --
You might also check out Jacques Mertens' stitch-and-glue dinghies
while you're puzzling over this choice. He has the D4 -- a basic 8',
two-sheeter, which plans he used to give away for free on the web,
and may still.
But more in line with your specs is the V10, a V-bottomed 10-footer,
designed to be a tender, but able to take a small sail, too. Weighs
85 lbs., looks like it would track nicely, and would certainly carry
three people in a chop.
Check this link to see all his small boats:
www.bateau.com/plans/small/small_index.php3
I keep thinking that when I'm done building every Bolger design from
Nymph to the Folding Schooner (yes, I do have such fantasies) I'll
get around to building Mertens' 14' Caravelle -- a transom-bowed
daysailer, almost like a double-size dinghy, which has 8' benches
port and starboard, and can carry 4 or 5 people easily.
All best,
Garth
You might also check out Jacques Mertens' stitch-and-glue dinghies
while you're puzzling over this choice. He has the D4 -- a basic 8',
two-sheeter, which plans he used to give away for free on the web,
and may still.
But more in line with your specs is the V10, a V-bottomed 10-footer,
designed to be a tender, but able to take a small sail, too. Weighs
85 lbs., looks like it would track nicely, and would certainly carry
three people in a chop.
Check this link to see all his small boats:
www.bateau.com/plans/small/small_index.php3
I keep thinking that when I'm done building every Bolger design from
Nymph to the Folding Schooner (yes, I do have such fantasies) I'll
get around to building Mertens' 14' Caravelle -- a transom-bowed
daysailer, almost like a double-size dinghy, which has 8' benches
port and starboard, and can carry 4 or 5 people easily.
All best,
Garth
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, Mark Goldberg <goldberg@e...> wrote:
> I'm looking to build a dinghy for my sailboat. It needs to track
well when
> towed, carry at least three people, and weigh no more than 100
> pounds. I'll probably store it on deck when I'm in the marina.
Mark,
I used to have a Nymph that we towed all over Nantucket Sound.
It
had a small skeg that kept it on track at all times. The only
problem
with it was that it was a tad too small for three. I will admit I
once had three full size adults (one 200 lb man, two women 130 lb)
aboard in the harbor. We still had a couple of inches of freeboard.
I would not recommend that trick for non-swimmers! I still miss the
boat and would build another one if I needed a tender to tow.
I am currently using a Pointy Skiff as my tender from shore to
ship
in the harbor. It has a much greater capacity, and is quite stable
climbing aboard a relatively unstable racing dinghy that is kept at
the mooring. Pointy Skiff does not tow well and is not suitable as a
boat to be used in such a manner.
Harold Payson sells plans for Cartopper. I thought that was a
good
compromise between the two boats. I have the plans, but never built
it. I will have to dig them out again as the Pointy Skiff is getting
pretty beat up.
The only problem I ever had with the Nymph is that I once forgot
the tow rope when backing down in the 22' cruiser. What a rotten way
to end a day.
My Micro will not need a towable tender since we can get close
enough to shore to climb out. However, in Edgartown their is no
place
to land! so maybe another Nymph for the trip when "Firefly" is done.
The cost of building Nymph would be about the same as paying for the
launch for an entire weekend with two adults!
I used to have a Nymph that we towed all over Nantucket Sound.
It
had a small skeg that kept it on track at all times. The only
problem
with it was that it was a tad too small for three. I will admit I
once had three full size adults (one 200 lb man, two women 130 lb)
aboard in the harbor. We still had a couple of inches of freeboard.
I would not recommend that trick for non-swimmers! I still miss the
boat and would build another one if I needed a tender to tow.
I am currently using a Pointy Skiff as my tender from shore to
ship
in the harbor. It has a much greater capacity, and is quite stable
climbing aboard a relatively unstable racing dinghy that is kept at
the mooring. Pointy Skiff does not tow well and is not suitable as a
boat to be used in such a manner.
Harold Payson sells plans for Cartopper. I thought that was a
good
compromise between the two boats. I have the plans, but never built
it. I will have to dig them out again as the Pointy Skiff is getting
pretty beat up.
The only problem I ever had with the Nymph is that I once forgot
the tow rope when backing down in the 22' cruiser. What a rotten way
to end a day.
My Micro will not need a towable tender since we can get close
enough to shore to climb out. However, in Edgartown their is no
place
to land! so maybe another Nymph for the trip when "Firefly" is done.
The cost of building Nymph would be about the same as paying for the
launch for an entire weekend with two adults!
I'm looking to build a dinghy for my sailboat. It needs to track well when
towed, carry at least three people, and weigh no more than 100
pounds. I'll probably store it on deck when I'm in the marina.
I've thought of building a Rubens Nymph. Anyone know how she tracks under
tow? I'm thinking of adding a skeg, if there isn't one in the plans already.
What about the Pointy Skiff? Any comments?
I'd build a June Bug, but it's just too long.
Thanks,
Mark
towed, carry at least three people, and weigh no more than 100
pounds. I'll probably store it on deck when I'm in the marina.
I've thought of building a Rubens Nymph. Anyone know how she tracks under
tow? I'm thinking of adding a skeg, if there isn't one in the plans already.
What about the Pointy Skiff? Any comments?
I'd build a June Bug, but it's just too long.
Thanks,
Mark
List,
Wierd story about Polyethylene glue. My dad had a travel trailer with a
PolyE holding tank. At the time it was quite expensive ($300). He ran over
a curb and broke the silly thing - put a tear about 12" long in it. The
dealer repairs were going to be expensive. A friend in OKC suggested
getting some polyE parts and shaving them into a bowl and dissolving the
whole thing in MEK (please don't start the whole MEK vs MEKp line again).
This is the MEK readily available as a paint thinner / cleaner / solvent at
Home Depot. Anyway, once it was dissolved and to a thickness of honey, it
was spread over the realinged tear. It partially dissolved the parent tank
and when the MEK evaporated, the resulting goo and tank were one again. The
repair lasted for the remaining 5 years we owned the trailer. In summary,
the joining of the tank was more like gas welding of steel than gluing. The
MEK was used to "melt" the polyE.
thanks,
Tim (Sailing the LugBug - finishing a clone of the 6 hour canoe, Uncle
Johns Pirogue, etc)
Wierd story about Polyethylene glue. My dad had a travel trailer with a
PolyE holding tank. At the time it was quite expensive ($300). He ran over
a curb and broke the silly thing - put a tear about 12" long in it. The
dealer repairs were going to be expensive. A friend in OKC suggested
getting some polyE parts and shaving them into a bowl and dissolving the
whole thing in MEK (please don't start the whole MEK vs MEKp line again).
This is the MEK readily available as a paint thinner / cleaner / solvent at
Home Depot. Anyway, once it was dissolved and to a thickness of honey, it
was spread over the realinged tear. It partially dissolved the parent tank
and when the MEK evaporated, the resulting goo and tank were one again. The
repair lasted for the remaining 5 years we owned the trailer. In summary,
the joining of the tank was more like gas welding of steel than gluing. The
MEK was used to "melt" the polyE.
thanks,
Tim (Sailing the LugBug - finishing a clone of the 6 hour canoe, Uncle
Johns Pirogue, etc)
>It is a great pity that there is no glue
>that will stick polyethylene. If there was nobody would make boats out of
>anything else.
>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Dewhurst" <dewhurst@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Bolger-approved building methods
> At 19:17 6/06/00 EDT, you wrote:
> >In a message dated 6/6/00 1:36:38 PM Central Daylight Time,
> >pvanderw@...writes:
> >
> ><< So, what you are saying is that if I want to rotomold a batch of PVC
> > Micros, I should keep it to myself?
> > >>
> >No, you should get a license from Dr. Bolger and remunerate him
generously.
>
> If you try to rotomold them using PVC there is not likely to be any profit
> out of which to remunerate Dr B! Polyethylene perhaps, but the boat may
> have to be re-designed slightly in order to get it out of the mold. If it
> is re-designed a bit there will be no need for remuneration anyway. I
> thought of glueing a boat together using PVC sheet, briefly, once. The
cost
> is much too high though the construction could not be easier. Brittle
stuff
> too compared with polyethylene. It is a great pity that there is no glue
> that will stick polyethylene. If there was nobody would make boats out of
> anything else.
Polyethyenene can be glued if the surface is made reactive by some means.
Since I haven't seen any partical accelerators on the surplus market we
would
be limited to using a flame. Look athttp://www.nbond.com/
It can also be welded with hot air.
I have also seen a composite product of polyethylene and wood chips.
the poly was melted the wood chips mixed in and mess pressed in
a mold or extruded. It was heavy and had a poor strength to weight
ratio.
Gordon
Gordon Cougergcouger@...
Stillwater, OK www.couger.com/gcouger
405 624-2855 GMT -6:00
At 19:17 6/06/00 EDT, you wrote:
out of which to remunerate Dr B! Polyethylene perhaps, but the boat may
have to be re-designed slightly in order to get it out of the mold. If it
is re-designed a bit there will be no need for remuneration anyway. I
thought of glueing a boat together using PVC sheet, briefly, once. The cost
is much too high though the construction could not be easier. Brittle stuff
too compared with polyethylene. It is a great pity that there is no glue
that will stick polyethylene. If there was nobody would make boats out of
anything else.
R
>In a message dated 6/6/00 1:36:38 PM Central Daylight Time,If you try to rotomold them using PVC there is not likely to be any profit
>pvanderw@...writes:
>
><< So, what you are saying is that if I want to rotomold a batch of PVC
> Micros, I should keep it to myself?
> >>
>No, you should get a license from Dr. Bolger and remunerate him generously.
out of which to remunerate Dr B! Polyethylene perhaps, but the boat may
have to be re-designed slightly in order to get it out of the mold. If it
is re-designed a bit there will be no need for remuneration anyway. I
thought of glueing a boat together using PVC sheet, briefly, once. The cost
is much too high though the construction could not be easier. Brittle stuff
too compared with polyethylene. It is a great pity that there is no glue
that will stick polyethylene. If there was nobody would make boats out of
anything else.
R
In a message dated 6/6/00 1:36:38 PM Central Daylight Time,
pvanderw@...writes:
<< So, what you are saying is that if I want to rotomold a batch of PVC
Micros, I should keep it to myself?
Bill in MN
pvanderw@...writes:
<< So, what you are saying is that if I want to rotomold a batch of PVC
Micros, I should keep it to myself?
>>No, you should get a license from Dr. Bolger and remunerate him generously.
Bill in MN
BOat from 1/4" luan, I think it was 3 ply, bought built off someone
else. Kept under porch. A little snow got into it (maybe an inch or
two?). That, together with a little freezing and thawing, did the
job.
RIght thru 3 new coats of varnish. Keep your boat upside down even if
you think it can't get wet where it is!
I don't know if the checks went all the way thru, but I couldn't get
much of a vacuum when I tried to bag the checks down, and the boat
would leak, I think right thru the plywood, until it had a chance to
swell up.
Too bad, one of the prettiest little boats I ever saw. I love looking
at someone ELSE's brightwork.
else. Kept under porch. A little snow got into it (maybe an inch or
two?). That, together with a little freezing and thawing, did the
job.
RIght thru 3 new coats of varnish. Keep your boat upside down even if
you think it can't get wet where it is!
I don't know if the checks went all the way thru, but I couldn't get
much of a vacuum when I tried to bag the checks down, and the boat
would leak, I think right thru the plywood, until it had a chance to
swell up.
Too bad, one of the prettiest little boats I ever saw. I love looking
at someone ELSE's brightwork.
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Richard Spelling" <richard@s...> wrote:
> You had checks that went all the way through? How many plys? Below
the
> waterline? Trailered or moored?
snip
You had checks that went all the way through? How many plys? Below the
waterline? Trailered or moored?
waterline? Trailered or moored?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lincoln Ross" <lincolnr@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 3:53 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Bolger-approved building methods
> If you're already using epoxy, then vacuum bagging isn't all that hi
> tech. Every once in a while I use it just to clamp some oddball thing
> or other that I'm working on. I would use it as the preferred method
> if I had to glue down some checked plywood and the checks didn't go
> all the way thru. Unfortunately, in my case they did. That boat now
> belongs to someone else (yes I warned them).
>
> --- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Peter Vanderwaart" <pvanderw@o...> wrote:
> > > I have not encountered carbon fiber or polyester as a part of
> > > Bolger-building. I would also place vacuum-bagging, mandrel-
> > winding, and
> > > several other techniques outside this forum.
> >
> > So, what you are saying is that if I want to rotomold a batch of
> PVC
> > Micros, I should keep it to myself?
> >
> > Peter
>
>
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>
No, just discuss it at alt.boats.weird or somewhere <g>
I have already conceded the epoxy argument, I now concede that you can
discuss anything you like until Gregg calls it off, which I'm sure he's
about ready to do on this thread. Thanks everyone for your patience, I'm
going quietly now.
Don Hodges
I have already conceded the epoxy argument, I now concede that you can
discuss anything you like until Gregg calls it off, which I'm sure he's
about ready to do on this thread. Thanks everyone for your patience, I'm
going quietly now.
Don Hodges
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Vanderwaart <pvanderw@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 1:35 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Bolger-approved building methods
> > I have not encountered carbon fiber or polyester as a part of
> > Bolger-building. I would also place vacuum-bagging, mandrel-
> winding, and
> > several other techniques outside this forum.
>
> So, what you are saying is that if I want to rotomold a batch of PVC
> Micros, I should keep it to myself?
>
> Peter
>
>
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