Re: Canoe/Kayak/Siton for a small child
Bruce, You want cheap? Free plans for my solo double paddle canoe are
at Duckworks:
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/05/designs/tribulato/pirogue/index.cfm
You could adapt this for a smaller person but I don't know how well it
would work. I do know that the 15ft version works just fine. I have
built 16 of them with 6th grade students.
Joe T
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bruce_fountain" <fountain.bruce@...>
wrote:
at Duckworks:
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/05/designs/tribulato/pirogue/index.cfm
You could adapt this for a smaller person but I don't know how well it
would work. I do know that the 15ft version works just fine. I have
built 16 of them with 6th grade students.
Joe T
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bruce_fountain" <fountain.bruce@...>
wrote:
>
> Ya, it looks great. I am just a bit tight to fork out the US$39.
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Tribulato" <scsbmsjoe@...> wrote:
the water, which you can't do with most canoes. Can you do
this with a mouse?
> Suggest you avoid a sit on top. Sit on bottom improves stability.The advantage of a sit-on is that you can climb onto it from
the water, which you can't do with most canoes. Can you do
this with a mouse?
Right. That's reminiscent of a sit on top. Perhaps the narrow version
for yours, Bruce.
Having just been discovering the joy of inflatables myself, I can't
help throwing these at you, though either would steal the pleasure of
a weekend's building. But it's also probably like what's being asked
for and tops the quick to stow or transport need.
http://tinyurl.com/mgzfu
Maybe he'd work his way up to something like the picture here.
http://tinyurl.com/eds59
BTW that's sit on top enough for me!
The only inexpensive Sevylor SOT I find is this 2 man, possibly
sometimes an f&s amenity.
http://tinyurl.com/kj67h
But to coble up in wood, looking around here may offer inspiration.
http://www.jemwatercraft.com/index.php
Mark,
for yours, Bruce.
Having just been discovering the joy of inflatables myself, I can't
help throwing these at you, though either would steal the pleasure of
a weekend's building. But it's also probably like what's being asked
for and tops the quick to stow or transport need.
http://tinyurl.com/mgzfu
Maybe he'd work his way up to something like the picture here.
http://tinyurl.com/eds59
BTW that's sit on top enough for me!
The only inexpensive Sevylor SOT I find is this 2 man, possibly
sometimes an f&s amenity.
http://tinyurl.com/kj67h
But to coble up in wood, looking around here may offer inspiration.
http://www.jemwatercraft.com/index.php
Mark,
On Jul 17, 2006, at 5:33 AM, Bill Paxton wrote:
> You might want to consider one of Gavin Atkins' Mouse designs.
>http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/gavin/index.htm
>
> Minimal wood and skill required.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Tribulato" <scsbmsjoe@...> wrote:
> The Glen-L Kidyak design looks good to me. Nice paint job too. It isYa, it looks great. I am just a bit tight to fork out the US$39.
> stitch and glue and is designed for a small person using a double
> paddle. It has flotation both fore and aft.
Bruce,
The Glen-L Kidyak design looks good to me. Nice paint job too. It is
stitch and glue and is designed for a small person using a double
paddle. It has flotation both fore and aft. Note that it has the side
coamings set in away from the sheer so they would be less in the way
of knuckles. The link again:
http://www.boatdesigns.com/products.asp?dept=178
If it is not convenient to ship plans to Perth, perhaps you could
draft something like it. Or maybe they would e-mail it. You could ask.
Suggest you avoid a sit on top. Sit on bottom improves stability.
I have built a few Minimum Kayaks but modified the coaming sides to
lean in a bit to minimize knuckle busting. Didn't care much for the
way it paddled but two 6th grade boys were thrilled. A third was
stretched to 15ft and worked beautifuly for a really big 6th grader. I
wouldn't mind having that one myself but I'm running out of room for
boats.
Joe T
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Fountain" <fountain.bruce@...>
wrote:
The Glen-L Kidyak design looks good to me. Nice paint job too. It is
stitch and glue and is designed for a small person using a double
paddle. It has flotation both fore and aft. Note that it has the side
coamings set in away from the sheer so they would be less in the way
of knuckles. The link again:
http://www.boatdesigns.com/products.asp?dept=178
If it is not convenient to ship plans to Perth, perhaps you could
draft something like it. Or maybe they would e-mail it. You could ask.
Suggest you avoid a sit on top. Sit on bottom improves stability.
I have built a few Minimum Kayaks but modified the coaming sides to
lean in a bit to minimize knuckle busting. Didn't care much for the
way it paddled but two 6th grade boys were thrilled. A third was
stretched to 15ft and worked beautifuly for a really big 6th grader. I
wouldn't mind having that one myself but I'm running out of room for
boats.
Joe T
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Fountain" <fountain.bruce@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi guys,
>
> can anyone suggest a design to suit my son? He is 7 years old
> and small for his age. Ideally he would like a sit-on type kayak,
> or possibly an open canoe with good bouyancy. Double paddle.
> Doesn't need to be a speed demon, 8ft or less and fairly beamy
> would be good. Easy to throw into the back of the station wagon
> would be good (we already have two sailing dinghies on the roof
> for his sisters). I am comfortable with stitch-and-glue and would
> describe my carpentry skills as "wood butchery".
>
> Bruce Fountain
> Systems Engineer
> Union Switch & Signal
> Perth, Western Australia
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Crockett <pcrockett@...> wrote:
> Here is a photo:http://home.nc.rr.com/pcrockettThat's it! That is the sort of thing I had in mind. Thankyou.
BTW, the paddle is a curtain rod with blades made from luan scraps.
Patrick
Patrick Crockett wrote:
Patrick
Patrick Crockett wrote:
> Bruce:
>
> When my daughter was 6 I built her a 6-foot canoe from a single piece of
> luan plus some fir for the gunwales (three strips 1/4"x1/2" laminated
> together, two inside and one outside). Plus a bit more luan for the
> decks. I made a plan from cardboard (the sort from the back of a pad of
> paper), and scaled it up on butcher paper. It was a double (maybe triple
> -- can't remember!) chined boat with a pointy flat bottom and very high
> freeboard (because I'm a daddy -- I didn't want her getting swamped).
> Stitch and glue.
>
> I cut out the bottom and it looked pretty good. I cut out the first
> strakes (garboards?) and they were clearly a mess. So I stitched these
> strakes on and marked lines along them to make a more boaty-looking
> contraption, took them off, re-cut them, stitched them back on, and then
> did the same for the sides. Took an afternoon to do the whole boat,
> another to glue, another to put on the gunwales and decks. I put in blue
> foam for flotation. She loved it -- until she paddled my wife's 14' Old
> Town Loon recreational kayak and discovered that was easier to control.
> I had built in so much freeboard in the canoe that any wind at all just
> blew it all over the place. The canoe is now a pretty planter in our
> garden. Here is a photo:http://home.nc.rr.com/pcrockett(at the bottom
> of the page).
>
> When she was a few years older, she wanted her own kayak. I suggested
> some attractive used boats. Her comment -- "But those aren't wood!" So
> she got to help build a Chesapeake 14 from CLC.
>
> Patrick
>
> bruce_fountain wrote:
>
>> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Personally I would consider this one. All you need is a roll of the
>>> kevlar string they sell, a few sticks, some dacron, aircraft dopw and
>>> a heat gun. You make the molds out of cardboard.
>>>
>>>http://gaboats.com/boats/snowshoelassie.html
>>>
>>>
>> Hi Nels,
>>
>> Platt's boats are works of art, but I was thinking of something
>> more along the lines of a quick-and-dirty one-weekend one-sheet
>> of exterior ply and some house paint sort of deal. One day
>> perhaps...
>>
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Bruce:
When my daughter was 6 I built her a 6-foot canoe from a single piece of
luan plus some fir for the gunwales (three strips 1/4"x1/2" laminated
together, two inside and one outside). Plus a bit more luan for the
decks. I made a plan from cardboard (the sort from the back of a pad of
paper), and scaled it up on butcher paper. It was a double (maybe triple
-- can't remember!) chined boat with a pointy flat bottom and very high
freeboard (because I'm a daddy -- I didn't want her getting swamped).
Stitch and glue.
I cut out the bottom and it looked pretty good. I cut out the first
strakes (garboards?) and they were clearly a mess. So I stitched these
strakes on and marked lines along them to make a more boaty-looking
contraption, took them off, re-cut them, stitched them back on, and then
did the same for the sides. Took an afternoon to do the whole boat,
another to glue, another to put on the gunwales and decks. I put in blue
foam for flotation. She loved it -- until she paddled my wife's 14' Old
Town Loon recreational kayak and discovered that was easier to control.
I had built in so much freeboard in the canoe that any wind at all just
blew it all over the place. The canoe is now a pretty planter in our
garden. Here is a photo:http://home.nc.rr.com/pcrockett(at the bottom
of the page).
When she was a few years older, she wanted her own kayak. I suggested
some attractive used boats. Her comment -- "But those aren't wood!" So
she got to help build a Chesapeake 14 from CLC.
Patrick
bruce_fountain wrote:
When my daughter was 6 I built her a 6-foot canoe from a single piece of
luan plus some fir for the gunwales (three strips 1/4"x1/2" laminated
together, two inside and one outside). Plus a bit more luan for the
decks. I made a plan from cardboard (the sort from the back of a pad of
paper), and scaled it up on butcher paper. It was a double (maybe triple
-- can't remember!) chined boat with a pointy flat bottom and very high
freeboard (because I'm a daddy -- I didn't want her getting swamped).
Stitch and glue.
I cut out the bottom and it looked pretty good. I cut out the first
strakes (garboards?) and they were clearly a mess. So I stitched these
strakes on and marked lines along them to make a more boaty-looking
contraption, took them off, re-cut them, stitched them back on, and then
did the same for the sides. Took an afternoon to do the whole boat,
another to glue, another to put on the gunwales and decks. I put in blue
foam for flotation. She loved it -- until she paddled my wife's 14' Old
Town Loon recreational kayak and discovered that was easier to control.
I had built in so much freeboard in the canoe that any wind at all just
blew it all over the place. The canoe is now a pretty planter in our
garden. Here is a photo:http://home.nc.rr.com/pcrockett(at the bottom
of the page).
When she was a few years older, she wanted her own kayak. I suggested
some attractive used boats. Her comment -- "But those aren't wood!" So
she got to help build a Chesapeake 14 from CLC.
Patrick
bruce_fountain wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@...> wrote:
>
>> Personally I would consider this one. All you need is a roll of the
>> kevlar string they sell, a few sticks, some dacron, aircraft dopw and
>> a heat gun. You make the molds out of cardboard.
>>
>>http://gaboats.com/boats/snowshoelassie.html
>>
>
> Hi Nels,
>
> Platt's boats are works of art, but I was thinking of something
> more along the lines of a quick-and-dirty one-weekend one-sheet
> of exterior ply and some house paint sort of deal. One day
> perhaps...
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Susan Davis" <futabachan@...> wrote:
mouseboats (no offence intended). I found this one via a
(broken) link on Gavin's page:
http://www.ourfamily.com.sg/boat.html
... which is so simple it hardly qualifies as a design.
I would box in tanks fore and aft for bouyancy. The rear
bulkhead could double as a backrest. What do you think?
> A mouseboat! They're perfect for kids of all ages.You reckon? I have never really liked the looks of the
mouseboats (no offence intended). I found this one via a
(broken) link on Gavin's page:
http://www.ourfamily.com.sg/boat.html
... which is so simple it hardly qualifies as a design.
I would box in tanks fore and aft for bouyancy. The rear
bulkhead could double as a backrest. What do you think?
Bruce:
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
>A mouseboat! They're perfect for kids of all ages.
> can anyone suggest a design to suit my son?
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bruce_fountain" <fountain.bruce@...> >
Platt's boats are works of art, but I was thinking of something
http://www.friend.ly.net/~dadadata/boat/bolger.html#peero
It is primarily a sailboat but with a 24" beam would paddle easily and
the sailing rig can be added later if desired.
It would take more than a day to build and more than one sheet, so
ignore if it doesn't fit your requirements:-)
Nels
Platt's boats are works of art, but I was thinking of something
> more along the lines of a quick-and-dirty one-weekend one-sheetThere is this one as well by Bolger with plans and instructions here:
> of exterior ply and some house paint sort of deal. One day
> perhaps...
>
http://www.friend.ly.net/~dadadata/boat/bolger.html#peero
It is primarily a sailboat but with a 24" beam would paddle easily and
the sailing rig can be added later if desired.
It would take more than a day to build and more than one sheet, so
ignore if it doesn't fit your requirements:-)
Nels
May I suggest something in the line of a 76" punt? great stability
and can float with the cockpit filled with water. Its what I built
to teach my children to paddle.
http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/gavin/micromouse/index.htm
Can be built in a weekend easy. I built mine with PL and deck
screws. Was more of a trainer than a keeper boat, but my boys do
take care of theirs. Good exterior house paint holds up well.
Shawn
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Fountain" <fountain.bruce@...>
wrote:
and can float with the cockpit filled with water. Its what I built
to teach my children to paddle.
http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/gavin/micromouse/index.htm
Can be built in a weekend easy. I built mine with PL and deck
screws. Was more of a trainer than a keeper boat, but my boys do
take care of theirs. Good exterior house paint holds up well.
Shawn
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Fountain" <fountain.bruce@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi guys,
>
> can anyone suggest a design to suit my son? He is 7 years old
> and small for his age. Ideally he would like a sit-on type kayak,
> or possibly an open canoe with good bouyancy. Double paddle.
> Doesn't need to be a speed demon, 8ft or less and fairly beamy
> would be good. Easy to throw into the back of the station wagon
> would be good (we already have two sailing dinghies on the roof
> for his sisters). I am comfortable with stitch-and-glue and would
> describe my carpentry skills as "wood butchery".
>
> Bruce Fountain
> Systems Engineer
> Union Switch & Signal
> Perth, Western Australia
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
You might want to consider one of Gavin Atkins' Mouse designs.
http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/gavin/index.htm
Minimal wood and skill required.
Bill
http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/gavin/index.htm
Minimal wood and skill required.
Bill
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http://www.cullisonsmallcraft.com/Past%20Projects.htm
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http://www.cullisonsmallcraft.com/Past%20Projects.htm
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There is the Bolger "Minimum" Kayak #284 11'5" x1'11" I think it is
in Instant Boats By Harold ""Dynamite"" Payson.
http://www.instantboats.com/dynamite.htm
I think the state library of NSW has a copy which you could get by
interlibrary loan from you local public library. Also, you could try
contacting Bolger or Payson.
Nice picture of it at http://www.cullisonsmallcraft.com/Past%
20Projects.htm
I'm sorry I dont know of other bolger designs, but this site has one
sheet canoe designs. http://www.gsahv.pp.fi/#XX1.
There is also the six hour canoe which takes longer.
http://www.psnw.com/~jmrudholm/6hrcanoe.html
The bolger job looks good though.
Mike
in Instant Boats By Harold ""Dynamite"" Payson.
http://www.instantboats.com/dynamite.htm
I think the state library of NSW has a copy which you could get by
interlibrary loan from you local public library. Also, you could try
contacting Bolger or Payson.
Nice picture of it at http://www.cullisonsmallcraft.com/Past%
20Projects.htm
I'm sorry I dont know of other bolger designs, but this site has one
sheet canoe designs. http://www.gsahv.pp.fi/#XX1.
There is also the six hour canoe which takes longer.
http://www.psnw.com/~jmrudholm/6hrcanoe.html
The bolger job looks good though.
Mike
From Glen L
http://www.boatdesigns.com/products.asp?dept=178
Nels wrote:
http://www.boatdesigns.com/products.asp?dept=178
Nels wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Fountain" <fountain.bruce@...>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> can anyone suggest a design to suit my son?
>>
>
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@...> wrote:
Platt's boats are works of art, but I was thinking of something
more along the lines of a quick-and-dirty one-weekend one-sheet
of exterior ply and some house paint sort of deal. One day
perhaps...
> Personally I would consider this one. All you need is a roll of theHi Nels,
> kevlar string they sell, a few sticks, some dacron, aircraft dopw and
> a heat gun. You make the molds out of cardboard.
>
>http://gaboats.com/boats/snowshoelassie.html
Platt's boats are works of art, but I was thinking of something
more along the lines of a quick-and-dirty one-weekend one-sheet
of exterior ply and some house paint sort of deal. One day
perhaps...
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Fountain" <fountain.bruce@...>
wrote:
Personally I would consider this one. All you need is a roll of the
kevlar string they sell, a few sticks, some dacron, aircraft dopw and
a heat gun. You make the molds out of cardboard.
http://gaboats.com/boats/snowshoelassie.html
Nels
wrote:
>Are you kidding;-))
> Hi guys,
>
> can anyone suggest a design to suit my son?
Personally I would consider this one. All you need is a roll of the
kevlar string they sell, a few sticks, some dacron, aircraft dopw and
a heat gun. You make the molds out of cardboard.
http://gaboats.com/boats/snowshoelassie.html
Nels
Hi guys,
can anyone suggest a design to suit my son? He is 7 years old
and small for his age. Ideally he would like a sit-on type kayak,
or possibly an open canoe with good bouyancy. Double paddle.
Doesn't need to be a speed demon, 8ft or less and fairly beamy
would be good. Easy to throw into the back of the station wagon
would be good (we already have two sailing dinghies on the roof
for his sisters). I am comfortable with stitch-and-glue and would
describe my carpentry skills as "wood butchery".
Bruce Fountain
Systems Engineer
Union Switch & Signal
Perth, Western Australia
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can anyone suggest a design to suit my son? He is 7 years old
and small for his age. Ideally he would like a sit-on type kayak,
or possibly an open canoe with good bouyancy. Double paddle.
Doesn't need to be a speed demon, 8ft or less and fairly beamy
would be good. Easy to throw into the back of the station wagon
would be good (we already have two sailing dinghies on the roof
for his sisters). I am comfortable with stitch-and-glue and would
describe my carpentry skills as "wood butchery".
Bruce Fountain
Systems Engineer
Union Switch & Signal
Perth, Western Australia
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