Re: [bolger] Re: Black Skimmer (was Tacking B S)
>FYI, My wife got me this book for X-Mas and I found it to be a very
enjoyable book to read.
Chris Curtis
>http://www.amazon.com/Sailing-Small-Inspiration-Instruction-
> Cruiser/dp/192886208X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-0439741-2989708?
> ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1173928875&sr=1-1
>
>http://tinyurl.com/23lweg
>
> Devereux Books
> Sailing Small -- Inspiration and Instruction for the Pocket Cruiser
> wwwdotdevereuxbooksdotcomslashsailingsmalldothtm
> Edited By Stan Grayson
>
> Book Specifications:
> Trim Size: 6" x 9"
> Total Page Count: 200 (192 plus 8-page color insert!)
> Binding: Soft cover
> Illustrations: Approximately color/bw 36 photos and drawings
> Price: $16.95
>
>
Features in Chapter 3 of Sailing Small, nice pic - linked today from
Gavin's blog "Black Skimmer" posthttp://intheboatshed.net/?p=567
Pretty good book if rated " next to L. Francis Herreshoff's The
Compleat Cruiser"!
http://www.amazon.com/Sailing-Small-Inspiration-Instruction-
Cruiser/dp/192886208X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-0439741-2989708?
ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1173928875&sr=1-1
http://tinyurl.com/23lweg
Devereux Books
Sailing Small -- Inspiration and Instruction for the Pocket Cruiser
wwwdotdevereuxbooksdotcomslashsailingsmalldothtm
Edited By Stan Grayson
Book Specifications:
Trim Size: 6" x 9"
Total Page Count: 200 (192 plus 8-page color insert!)
Binding: Soft cover
Illustrations: Approximately color/bw 36 photos and drawings
Price: $16.95
Graeme
Gavin's blog "Black Skimmer" posthttp://intheboatshed.net/?p=567
Pretty good book if rated " next to L. Francis Herreshoff's The
Compleat Cruiser"!
http://www.amazon.com/Sailing-Small-Inspiration-Instruction-
Cruiser/dp/192886208X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-0439741-2989708?
ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1173928875&sr=1-1
http://tinyurl.com/23lweg
Devereux Books
Sailing Small -- Inspiration and Instruction for the Pocket Cruiser
wwwdotdevereuxbooksdotcomslashsailingsmalldothtm
Edited By Stan Grayson
Book Specifications:
Trim Size: 6" x 9"
Total Page Count: 200 (192 plus 8-page color insert!)
Binding: Soft cover
Illustrations: Approximately color/bw 36 photos and drawings
Price: $16.95
Graeme
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Gavin Atkin" <gmatkin@...> wrote:
> I know I'm not the only one following this one closely!
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Chamberland" <chamberlands@...>
wrote:
this, but assuming they don't use screws, what is the "trick" of the
presses they mention that stops the panels slipping along the scarph
face under applied pressure?
wrote:
>If they were so tight asThe Lenihan hollow-ground-no-squeezeout joint may prevent most of
> to deform the board there would be too much squeeze out.
this, but assuming they don't use screws, what is the "trick" of the
presses they mention that stops the panels slipping along the scarph
face under applied pressure?
The press members are pretty hefty. As long as the bolts were not
drawn down to tightly they would not deform. If they were so tight as
to deform the board there would be too much squeeze out. There only
needs to be enough pressure to hold the scarf together and that's not
much. If one doesn't mind filling a few screw holes one could use a
lighter board on top and merely screw it down through the scarf. Also
a lighter board on top which was either planed to a slight radius or
warped to begin with would do the job. I have done it both ways
successfully. It is a challenge to find the patched screw holes or the
scarf for that matter unless very sloppily cut.
Bob Chamberland
drawn down to tightly they would not deform. If they were so tight as
to deform the board there would be too much squeeze out. There only
needs to be enough pressure to hold the scarf together and that's not
much. If one doesn't mind filling a few screw holes one could use a
lighter board on top and merely screw it down through the scarf. Also
a lighter board on top which was either planed to a slight radius or
warped to begin with would do the job. I have done it both ways
successfully. It is a challenge to find the patched screw holes or the
scarf for that matter unless very sloppily cut.
Bob Chamberland
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Gavin Atkin" <gmatkin@...> wrote:
>
> ..........> On practical level, I'm quite taken by the presses these
people use to make their butt joints.
> They look neat, but does anyone know how they get the pressure in
the middle the same as
> at the ends - or even whether they bother about the issue? I guess
it might not matter...
>
> Gavin
>
Gavin,
I had a concern about the presses used as well. I have seen somewhere ( can`t recollect ) that someone suggested when clamping as they are doing at Nexus that you should put shims in the middle of the press of different thicknesses with the thickest in the middle and thinner as you go toward the ends to get a good bond. This way you get even (or at least close to it) pressure along the length.
I`m waiting for updates as well on the project as I think this will be the boat that I will build.
Richard
Gavin Atkin <gmatkin@...> wrote:
I had a concern about the presses used as well. I have seen somewhere ( can`t recollect ) that someone suggested when clamping as they are doing at Nexus that you should put shims in the middle of the press of different thicknesses with the thickest in the middle and thinner as you go toward the ends to get a good bond. This way you get even (or at least close to it) pressure along the length.
I`m waiting for updates as well on the project as I think this will be the boat that I will build.
Richard
Gavin Atkin <gmatkin@...> wrote:
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Will Parkes" <icusa98@...> wrote:
> >http://www.nexusmarine.com/skimmer_construction.html
I know I'm not the only one following this one closely!
I haven't noticed any developments lately: does anyone know what the story is here? Is it
finished and launched yet?
On practical level, I'm quite taken by the presses these people use to make their butt joints.
They look neat, but does anyone know how they get the pressure in the middle the same as
at the ends - or even whether they bother about the issue? I guess it might not matter...
Gavin
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Will Parkes" <icusa98@...> wrote:
I haven't noticed any developments lately: does anyone know what the story is here? Is it
finished and launched yet?
On practical level, I'm quite taken by the presses these people use to make their butt joints.
They look neat, but does anyone know how they get the pressure in the middle the same as
at the ends - or even whether they bother about the issue? I guess it might not matter...
Gavin
> >http://www.nexusmarine.com/skimmer_construction.htmlI know I'm not the only one following this one closely!
I haven't noticed any developments lately: does anyone know what the story is here? Is it
finished and launched yet?
On practical level, I'm quite taken by the presses these people use to make their butt joints.
They look neat, but does anyone know how they get the pressure in the middle the same as
at the ends - or even whether they bother about the issue? I guess it might not matter...
Gavin
Christopher Wetherill wrote:
> Will,[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> There are a number of threads in the message archive that discuss Black
> Skimmer. At least two of them deal in part with handling.
>
> Hi Will,
> I owned a Black Skimmer for a few years and often had to beat my way
> back up a fairly narrow channel to get to her mooring. I can't recall
> going into irons during those tacks which were usually short and often
> didn't allow her to pick up a lot of way on the new tack. As, I think,
> Phil Bolger advised, I didn't bother to lift the windward board. It
> usually just wandered out to windward and wasn't a bother. It is
> unsightly, though.
>
> To make the job of lifting them easier, I had a couple of long hooks,
> somewhat similar to longshoremens hooks with about a two foot shank
> (without the sharp ends) I had these bent out of S/S rod and they were
> very helpful in getting the heavy leeboards quickly up into their rests.
>
> All the best with your Skimmer,
>
> Jim Pope
>
Will,
There are a number of threads in the message archive that discuss Black
Skimmer. At least two of them deal in part with handling.
V/R
Chris
Will Parkes wrote:
There are a number of threads in the message archive that discuss Black
Skimmer. At least two of them deal in part with handling.
V/R
Chris
Will Parkes wrote:
> In his recent anthology of cruising essays, Sailing Small, Stan Grayson
> includes an essay by Lance Gunderson that detail's Mr. Gunderson's
> experience with a Black Skimmer named Tashtego. Mr. Gunderson
> discusses that problems he has with getting the boat through stays.
> Mait Edey helps him make some changes to the boat that making
> singlehanding it easier but Mr. Gunderson says that he never
> successfully tacked the boat singlehanded. Another complaint is that
> the leeboards are heavy, and need tending with each tack.
>
> Has anyone had experience with a Bolger design like this with a cat-
> yawl rig, and leeboards? Is this an inherent problem?
>
> Bill Parkes
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I've sailed a Black Skimmer in Florida Bay. No particular problem
tacking, and my wife was the only "crew" and she has an aversion to be
involved in sailing, so it was effectively single-handing.
You don't *have* to deal with the leeboards, drop 'em both, and deal the
with windward one at your leisure.
-Chris
tacking, and my wife was the only "crew" and she has an aversion to be
involved in sailing, so it was effectively single-handing.
You don't *have* to deal with the leeboards, drop 'em both, and deal the
with windward one at your leisure.
-Chris
I know it takes practice in some types of boats to get down the
basics of tacking. I can certainly vouch for this in A-class
catamarans and International Canoes. Perhaps it's simply a knack.
basics of tacking. I can certainly vouch for this in A-class
catamarans and International Canoes. Perhaps it's simply a knack.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
>
> I brought this up when I read the same section. Somebody else
countered
> and I believe Mr Gunderson chimed in. I have communicated with
other
> Black Skimmer owners and they have not mentioned it.
>
> Maybe the owner of this one will comment after the launch
>
>http://www.nexusmarine.com/skimmer_construction.html
>
> HJ
>
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>
> Will Parkes wrote:
> > In his recent anthology of cruising essays, Sailing Small, Stan
Grayson
> > includes an essay by Lance Gunderson that detail's Mr.
Gunderson's
> > experience with a Black Skimmer named Tashtego. Mr. Gunderson
> > discusses that problems he has with getting the boat through
stays.
> > Mait Edey helps him make some changes to the boat that making
> > singlehanding it easier but Mr. Gunderson says that he never
> > successfully tacked the boat singlehanded. Another complaint is
that
> > the leeboards are heavy, and need tending with each tack.
> >
> > Has anyone had experience with a Bolger design like this with a
cat-
> > yawl rig, and leeboards? Is this an inherent problem?
> >
> > Bill Parkes
> >
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> > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or
flogging dead horses
> > - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred'
posts
> > - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> > - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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I brought this up when I read the same section. Somebody else countered
and I believe Mr Gunderson chimed in. I have communicated with other
Black Skimmer owners and they have not mentioned it.
Maybe the owner of this one will comment after the launch
http://www.nexusmarine.com/skimmer_construction.html
HJ
Will Parkes wrote:
and I believe Mr Gunderson chimed in. I have communicated with other
Black Skimmer owners and they have not mentioned it.
Maybe the owner of this one will comment after the launch
http://www.nexusmarine.com/skimmer_construction.html
HJ
Will Parkes wrote:
> In his recent anthology of cruising essays, Sailing Small, Stan Grayson
> includes an essay by Lance Gunderson that detail's Mr. Gunderson's
> experience with a Black Skimmer named Tashtego. Mr. Gunderson
> discusses that problems he has with getting the boat through stays.
> Mait Edey helps him make some changes to the boat that making
> singlehanding it easier but Mr. Gunderson says that he never
> successfully tacked the boat singlehanded. Another complaint is that
> the leeboards are heavy, and need tending with each tack.
>
> Has anyone had experience with a Bolger design like this with a cat-
> yawl rig, and leeboards? Is this an inherent problem?
>
> Bill Parkes
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
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In his recent anthology of cruising essays, Sailing Small, Stan Grayson
includes an essay by Lance Gunderson that detail's Mr. Gunderson's
experience with a Black Skimmer named Tashtego. Mr. Gunderson
discusses that problems he has with getting the boat through stays.
Mait Edey helps him make some changes to the boat that making
singlehanding it easier but Mr. Gunderson says that he never
successfully tacked the boat singlehanded. Another complaint is that
the leeboards are heavy, and need tending with each tack.
Has anyone had experience with a Bolger design like this with a cat-
yawl rig, and leeboards? Is this an inherent problem?
Bill Parkes
includes an essay by Lance Gunderson that detail's Mr. Gunderson's
experience with a Black Skimmer named Tashtego. Mr. Gunderson
discusses that problems he has with getting the boat through stays.
Mait Edey helps him make some changes to the boat that making
singlehanding it easier but Mr. Gunderson says that he never
successfully tacked the boat singlehanded. Another complaint is that
the leeboards are heavy, and need tending with each tack.
Has anyone had experience with a Bolger design like this with a cat-
yawl rig, and leeboards? Is this an inherent problem?
Bill Parkes