Re: [bolger] Dinghy Recommendation
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From: Mark Albanese <marka@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 2:46 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Dinghy Recommendation
> Just a reminder:
>
> The Rubens version of Nymph has a foot extra beam on the same length as
> the original. Dynamite says, "Easily takes four adults with dunnage."
I missed the "Rubens" in the first post - another foot of beam would be an
entirely different boat. Still not trivial to build, though, and a bit busy
inside for transporting supplies. I just think there are more utilitarian
solutions to the working dink problem. Go for the R-Nymph if you want
aesthetics, something else for plain transportation. the difference is
probably 10 to 20 manhours, and you will need an assistant at times for the
Nymph.
Don Hodges
Just a reminder:
The Rubens version of Nymph has a foot extra beam on the same length as
the original. Dynamite says, "Easily takes four adults with dunnage."
The study plans at his site for the two are at different scales, so I
can't tell exactly if they have the same depth or not, but I think so.
7'9" x 4'6 x73 pounds.
From Bruce Gray's text at
http://members.aol.com/buildboats/boatpics.htm
"I redesigned the interior [of Rubens Nymph] for a paraplegic friend of
mine, who had to get back on the water. This boat has surpassed any and
all expectations, and even some we hadn't thought of. f you want to see
some inherent stability, I will gladly send a video showing how a
paraplegic can exit and enter the boat while in the water, without
taking on any water."
I couldn't find an email.
Have a look at how the boat in this attachment floats with two aboard.
I'll bet the pounds per inch immersion is phenomenal. (If the pic
doesn't work through the egroups forwarding, try)
http://www.instantboats.com/nymphchallenge.htm
Your scholar,
Mark
The Rubens version of Nymph has a foot extra beam on the same length as
the original. Dynamite says, "Easily takes four adults with dunnage."
The study plans at his site for the two are at different scales, so I
can't tell exactly if they have the same depth or not, but I think so.
7'9" x 4'6 x73 pounds.
From Bruce Gray's text at
http://members.aol.com/buildboats/boatpics.htm
"I redesigned the interior [of Rubens Nymph] for a paraplegic friend of
mine, who had to get back on the water. This boat has surpassed any and
all expectations, and even some we hadn't thought of. f you want to see
some inherent stability, I will gladly send a video showing how a
paraplegic can exit and enter the boat while in the water, without
taking on any water."
I couldn't find an email.
Have a look at how the boat in this attachment floats with two aboard.
I'll bet the pounds per inch immersion is phenomenal. (If the pic
doesn't work through the egroups forwarding, try)
http://www.instantboats.com/nymphchallenge.htm
Your scholar,
Mark
I'm almost finished with a Nymph to be used as a child's boat, so maybe my
mindset is skewed, but I think it is too small for two and groceries in any
kind of chop. The longitudinal thwart and three frames in 8 feet really
limit the places you could put a case of beer or an icebox. It is pretty,
though, and delightfully light.
I looked at Dix's page, and the 8 footer (Dixi Dinghy) looks adequate for
the specs; it has 4+ feet of beam and looks very stable - Dix says four
people max. At 48 lb, it can be brought aboard fairly easily too. The 10
footer is also 4+ feet wide, a "big" 10 footer.
Don Hodges
mindset is skewed, but I think it is too small for two and groceries in any
kind of chop. The longitudinal thwart and three frames in 8 feet really
limit the places you could put a case of beer or an icebox. It is pretty,
though, and delightfully light.
I looked at Dix's page, and the 8 footer (Dixi Dinghy) looks adequate for
the specs; it has 4+ feet of beam and looks very stable - Dix says four
people max. At 48 lb, it can be brought aboard fairly easily too. The 10
footer is also 4+ feet wide, a "big" 10 footer.
Don Hodges
WoodenBoat 145 (Dec 1998) pp 77-83 may be worth seeking.
Ken Textor has written an excellent article called
"Build a One-Station Skiff" -"No Plans Or Lofting Needed."
With excellent photos, text and a list of materials, he then does so, all
for under $400.
The term skiff is a bit off -putting for your situation, but the demo the
boat is more of a dory.
The demo is a pleasing trad build and should tow well as the beam is only 4
ft at the sheer, the bottom
hefty (Edge-butted planks athwartships fixed direct to a flat keel plank
with as much rocker as
you care to throw in) and free-board plenty for a seaway.
Things I really like:
1/ You can turn off your computer and start on it right now without waiting
for plans.
2/ The dimensions and shapes, while all up to you, flow from each other in
a way that doesnt involve you in a series of agonising choices.
3/ If you want to perfect its proportions, you could knock out a model
in a liesurely hour with card or balsa or both.
4/ You dont NEED electricity.
Good luck.
Jeff Gilbert
(Argie is a lot lighter, but this demo can be lightened heaps.)
Ken Textor has written an excellent article called
"Build a One-Station Skiff" -"No Plans Or Lofting Needed."
With excellent photos, text and a list of materials, he then does so, all
for under $400.
The term skiff is a bit off -putting for your situation, but the demo the
boat is more of a dory.
The demo is a pleasing trad build and should tow well as the beam is only 4
ft at the sheer, the bottom
hefty (Edge-butted planks athwartships fixed direct to a flat keel plank
with as much rocker as
you care to throw in) and free-board plenty for a seaway.
Things I really like:
1/ You can turn off your computer and start on it right now without waiting
for plans.
2/ The dimensions and shapes, while all up to you, flow from each other in
a way that doesnt involve you in a series of agonising choices.
3/ If you want to perfect its proportions, you could knock out a model
in a liesurely hour with card or balsa or both.
4/ You dont NEED electricity.
Good luck.
Jeff Gilbert
(Argie is a lot lighter, but this demo can be lightened heaps.)
I would like to know more about this "treatment", as my biggest
objection to these kind of boats is puncture potential. THe guy who
bought my Monfort boat could maybe use the info in his repairs. Thanks
objection to these kind of boats is puncture potential. THe guy who
bought my Monfort boat could maybe use the info in his repairs. Thanks
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, Mark Albanese <marka@o...> wrote:
>snip
bottom.
> No doubt it could use the Dyson / Stimson Marine nylon, neoprene and
> hypalon treatment for toughness and still come out quite a bit
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I built the prototype "Tween" back in 1997, and I agree that it's a great
sailing boat for it's size. I have taught basic sailing with it and used
it to puddle around several Vermont lakes. Everything from skipping over
powerboat wakes to sailing on a heavy dew, it's been great. A picture is at
www.geocities.com/TheTropics/harbor/9773
Ed
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Albanese <marka@...>
To:bolger@egroups.com<bolger@egroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Dinghy Recommendation
sailing boat for it's size. I have taught basic sailing with it and used
it to puddle around several Vermont lakes. Everything from skipping over
powerboat wakes to sailing on a heavy dew, it's been great. A picture is at
www.geocities.com/TheTropics/harbor/9773
Ed
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Albanese <marka@...>
To:bolger@egroups.com<bolger@egroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Dinghy Recommendation
>Tween looks like the perfect personal sailor to me. Tuck it under yourweigh.
>arm and go... It has as much stability and rough water capability as one
>can reasonably expect in a boat so small.
>
>I've seen in Prout's old, little book how he does a V quartered sailing
>dingy by cutting a curved pocket in the aft end of some cleated together
>T&G flooring, but Michalak's reversal is certainly a little boat's
>perfect combination of ends.
>
>I don't have a cruiser that needs a dinghy, but I'd think a target of
><60 pounds is more useful than <100, whatever the all fiberglass ones
>
>In this week's MAIB Bolger on Design includes, "The Nymph...has been
>built by the hundreds. We see them go by in tow of upscale auxiliaries
>all the time and they don't look out of place."
>
>Another one I'm itching to build is Platt Monfort's Black Fly 8. Mostly
>heat shrink dacron, it's very light of course, but has a plywood bottom.
>No doubt it could use the Dyson / Stimson Marine nylon, neoprene and
>hypalon treatment for toughness and still come out quite a bit lighter
>than anything comparable. Pictures show it carrying three with
>impressive freeboard.
>
>http://www.geodesicairoliteboats.com/blackfly.html
>http://mims.com/maib/blackfly.htm
>
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Tween looks like the perfect personal sailor to me. Tuck it under your
arm and go... It has as much stability and rough water capability as one
can reasonably expect in a boat so small.
I've seen in Prout's old, little book how he does a V quartered sailing
dingy by cutting a curved pocket in the aft end of some cleated together
T&G flooring, but Michalak's reversal is certainly a little boat's
perfect combination of ends.
I don't have a cruiser that needs a dinghy, but I'd think a target of
<60 pounds is more useful than <100, whatever the all fiberglass ones weigh.
In this week's MAIB Bolger on Design includes, "The Nymph...has been
built by the hundreds. We see them go by in tow of upscale auxiliaries
all the time and they don't look out of place."
Another one I'm itching to build is Platt Monfort's Black Fly 8. Mostly
heat shrink dacron, it's very light of course, but has a plywood bottom.
No doubt it could use the Dyson / Stimson Marine nylon, neoprene and
hypalon treatment for toughness and still come out quite a bit lighter
than anything comparable. Pictures show it carrying three with
impressive freeboard.
http://www.geodesicairoliteboats.com/blackfly.html
http://mims.com/maib/blackfly.htm
arm and go... It has as much stability and rough water capability as one
can reasonably expect in a boat so small.
I've seen in Prout's old, little book how he does a V quartered sailing
dingy by cutting a curved pocket in the aft end of some cleated together
T&G flooring, but Michalak's reversal is certainly a little boat's
perfect combination of ends.
I don't have a cruiser that needs a dinghy, but I'd think a target of
<60 pounds is more useful than <100, whatever the all fiberglass ones weigh.
In this week's MAIB Bolger on Design includes, "The Nymph...has been
built by the hundreds. We see them go by in tow of upscale auxiliaries
all the time and they don't look out of place."
Another one I'm itching to build is Platt Monfort's Black Fly 8. Mostly
heat shrink dacron, it's very light of course, but has a plywood bottom.
No doubt it could use the Dyson / Stimson Marine nylon, neoprene and
hypalon treatment for toughness and still come out quite a bit lighter
than anything comparable. Pictures show it carrying three with
impressive freeboard.
http://www.geodesicairoliteboats.com/blackfly.html
http://mims.com/maib/blackfly.htm
At 16:42 7/06/00 -0400, you wrote:
Laine is revising the program. It gets better by the day. It is the
easiest boat design program you can imagine. The version Robert is working
on now will give you x,y,z co-ordinates of all the frames, chines etc. etc.
and the x,y,z co-ordinates all the way round the edges of the bottom and
side panels. All printed out in Works for Windows spreadsheets. The new
version has all the hull balancing etc. too. You can just about design a
hull in 15 minutes.
R
>I'm looking to build a dinghy for my sailboat. It needs to track well whenHave a look at Carene50 which you can pick up free off Internet. Robert
>towed, carry at least three people, and weigh no more than 100
>pounds. I'll probably store it on deck when I'm in the marina.
Laine is revising the program. It gets better by the day. It is the
easiest boat design program you can imagine. The version Robert is working
on now will give you x,y,z co-ordinates of all the frames, chines etc. etc.
and the x,y,z co-ordinates all the way round the edges of the bottom and
side panels. All printed out in Works for Windows spreadsheets. The new
version has all the hull balancing etc. too. You can just about design a
hull in 15 minutes.
R
Dudley Dix has a great little sticth'n'glue 10 footer design
with a 2ft stemm which will tow fine due to the slight vee.
It can be sailed. One was built in 2 days at a Tassie boat show, by 2 guys.
Called the "Argie 10". Very pretty little boat,
but acvcent on build simplicity.
Jeff Gilbert
with a 2ft stemm which will tow fine due to the slight vee.
It can be sailed. One was built in 2 days at a Tassie boat show, by 2 guys.
Called the "Argie 10". Very pretty little boat,
but acvcent on build simplicity.
Jeff Gilbert
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Goldberg <goldberg@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 6:42 AM
Subject: [bolger] Dinghy Recommendation
I'm looking to build a dinghy for my sailboat. It needs to track well when
towed, carry at least three people, and weigh no more than 100
pounds. I'll probably store it on deck when I'm in the marina.
I've thought of building a Rubens Nymph. Anyone know how she tracks under
tow? I'm thinking of adding a skeg, if there isn't one in the plans
already.
What about the Pointy Skiff? Any comments?
I'd build a June Bug, but it's just too long.
Thanks,
Mark
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My personal favorite dingy is:
http://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/1998/0701/index.htm#Tween
Would build one if I couldn't just run Entropy up on the beach...
http://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/1998/0701/index.htm#Tween
Would build one if I couldn't just run Entropy up on the beach...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Goldberg" <goldberg@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 3:42 PM
Subject: [bolger] Dinghy Recommendation
> I'm looking to build a dinghy for my sailboat. It needs to track well
when
> towed, carry at least three people, and weigh no more than 100
> pounds. I'll probably store it on deck when I'm in the marina.
>
> I've thought of building a Rubens Nymph. Anyone know how she tracks under
> tow? I'm thinking of adding a skeg, if there isn't one in the plans
already.
>
> What about the Pointy Skiff? Any comments?
>
> I'd build a June Bug, but it's just too long.
>
> Thanks,
> Mark
>
>
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