Re: [bolger] Re: A fun little ship?
I was sure I'd seen the term "crow's nest" used for whalers, many of which were ship rigged.
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From: donm172001
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Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 12:25 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: A fun little ship?
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I believe the term crows nest applies to
galleons and rigs prior to the ship rig becoming popular. Once the
third section was added to the masts they became known as "tops"
or "fighting tops" in men of war.
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FWIW, a brigantine is not a full ship rig. A full ship rig must have
3 masts, each with 3 sections. The masts must all be square rigged,
although the mainsail on the mizzen may be fore and aft. A frigate
has a full ship rig. A brig, bark, brigantine, top sail schooner,
cutter and sloop do not. I believe the term crows nest applies to
galleons and rigs prior to the ship rig becoming popular. Once the
third section was added to the masts they became known as "tops"
or "fighting tops" in men of war.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pvanderwaart" <pvanderwaart@...>
wrote:
3 masts, each with 3 sections. The masts must all be square rigged,
although the mainsail on the mizzen may be fore and aft. A frigate
has a full ship rig. A brig, bark, brigantine, top sail schooner,
cutter and sloop do not. I believe the term crows nest applies to
galleons and rigs prior to the ship rig becoming popular. Once the
third section was added to the masts they became known as "tops"
or "fighting tops" in men of war.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pvanderwaart" <pvanderwaart@...>
wrote:
>long
> > In BWAOM there is a design called "Brigantine" but at 32 feet
> might be to big for a fun project, my Father says this design couldthere is
> support a crows nest but maybe not at the top of the mast.
>
> If you look closely at the plans for Brigantine, you will see
> a permanent ladder to a platform at about the height of the gaffjaws.
> It's necessary for someone to go up there to put a nice furl on thestability
> squaresail, and and to release it before use. No problem doing that
> under sail.
>
> As to the issue of a crows nest on a smaller boat, the higher the
> nest, the bigger the boat has to be. You need to look at the
> at all angles of heel, up to 90 degrees. You want high formstability
> so the boat can carry the load up there without a sudden 15 degreeall.
> list, and you want high ballast stability at 90 degrees so the the
> load can't keep her on her beam ends.
>
> I think about Brigantine from time to time. Not too big for fun. In
> fact, if a boat like that isn't fun, there is not point to it at
>
>
> Peter
>
> In BWAOM there is a design called "Brigantine" but at 32 feet longmight be to big for a fun project, my Father says this design could
support a crows nest but maybe not at the top of the mast.
If you look closely at the plans for Brigantine, you will see there is
a permanent ladder to a platform at about the height of the gaff jaws.
It's necessary for someone to go up there to put a nice furl on the
squaresail, and and to release it before use. No problem doing that
under sail.
As to the issue of a crows nest on a smaller boat, the higher the
nest, the bigger the boat has to be. You need to look at the stability
at all angles of heel, up to 90 degrees. You want high form stability
so the boat can carry the load up there without a sudden 15 degree
list, and you want high ballast stability at 90 degrees so the the
load can't keep her on her beam ends.
I think about Brigantine from time to time. Not too big for fun. In
fact, if a boat like that isn't fun, there is not point to it at all.
Peter
In BWAOM there is a design called "Brigantine" but as 32 feet long might be to big for a fun project, my Father says this design could support a crows nest but maybe not at the top of the mast.
eep_05 <eep_05@...> wrote: What is the smallest boat that could be built to reliably support a
full ship rig?
including a crows nest?
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eep_05 <eep_05@...> wrote: What is the smallest boat that could be built to reliably support a
full ship rig?
including a crows nest?
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I can't think of a Bolger design (other than Rose) that is appropriate
for a crow's nest. If to be used under sail it would have to be a very
stiff boat. Typically too this is a feature for square rigged boats.
Paul
for a crow's nest. If to be used under sail it would have to be a very
stiff boat. Typically too this is a feature for square rigged boats.
Paul
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "eep_05" <eep_05@...> wrote:
>
> What is the smallest boat that could be built to reliably support a
> full ship rig?
> including a crows nest?
>
What is the smallest boat that could be built to reliably support a
full ship rig?
including a crows nest?
full ship rig?
including a crows nest?