Re: WDJ (Deleware Trawler)
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Clyde Wisner <clydewis@...> wrote:
I think it could work with the Fiji/Wandervogel set-up. Twin
retracting bilge keels and rudders. Heavy bottom with steel plate and
Bolger Chinese gaff rig in a smaller size, with all controls under
cover. Falls right between the two other designs in size.
WDJ is a great family camping cruiser schooner, but Deleware/Halifax
would be a long distance motorsailer for a retired couple and still
trailerable! Can take the ground upright and be almost bombproof.
Nels
>Me too!
> can't help thinking"how can I get a mast into it". Clyde
>
I think it could work with the Fiji/Wandervogel set-up. Twin
retracting bilge keels and rudders. Heavy bottom with steel plate and
Bolger Chinese gaff rig in a smaller size, with all controls under
cover. Falls right between the two other designs in size.
WDJ is a great family camping cruiser schooner, but Deleware/Halifax
would be a long distance motorsailer for a retired couple and still
trailerable! Can take the ground upright and be almost bombproof.
Nels
I can't get to my "messing about" stack right now but if nobody posts
issue, I'll move stuff to find it. It's a Jochems hull converted to a
motor cruiser which I like very much.. Unfortunately, a "concept" still.
I wrote to Phil and Susanne and they say, when they get to it, it will
be Halifax Explorer. They did say that they might be influenced by the
amount of interest expressed, so talk to them if you're interested. I
can't help thinking"how can I get a mast into it". Clyde
Nels wrote:
issue, I'll move stuff to find it. It's a Jochems hull converted to a
motor cruiser which I like very much.. Unfortunately, a "concept" still.
I wrote to Phil and Susanne and they say, when they get to it, it will
be Halifax Explorer. They did say that they might be influenced by the
amount of interest expressed, so talk to them if you're interested. I
can't help thinking"how can I get a mast into it". Clyde
Nels wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>, Harry[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> James <welshman@...> wrote:
> >
> > Where was the Delaware trawler written up?
> >
> > HJ
> >
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/>
>
> Nels
>
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
http://www.cornergas.com/
>Nope - The fictious town of Dog River, Saskatchewan.
> Nels
>
> Are you the Nels that lives in Juneau?
>
> HJ
>
http://www.cornergas.com/
Nels
Are you the Nels that lives in Juneau?
HJ
Nels wrote:
Are you the Nels that lives in Juneau?
HJ
Nels wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
>
>> Where was the Delaware trawler written up?
>>
>> HJ
>>
>>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/
>
> Nels
>
>
>
What issue of MAIB was that
Thanks
HJ
Nels wrote:
Thanks
HJ
Nels wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
>
>> Where was the Delaware trawler written up?
>>
>> HJ
>>
>>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/
>
> Nels
>
>
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
Nels
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/
> Where was the Delaware trawler written up?
>
> HJ
>
Nels
Where was the Delaware trawler written up?
HJ
Nels wrote:
HJ
Nels wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "stoverr97213" <rm__stover1@...> wrote:
>
>
>> Nels: I will try to respond to all your questions.
>>
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> Thanks for providing some useful details regarding your experience
> with Trimara. I am sure they are of interest to a lot of other crazy
> dreamers like myself:-)
>
> Quite likely some of the changes were the result of Bjorn's
> experiences, particularly regarding strengthening the leeboard
> brackets. PCB&F seem very quick to respond when somebody reports back
> to them regarding any less than satisfactory experiences with their
> plans as drawn. Perhaps this can be distracting for them at times, but
> in that regard they are very involved and interested in getting
> feedback.
>
> It's a nice bonus that the design is such a capable motorsailer if one
> encounters light or head winds. So capable in fact that they came up
> with the Deleware Trawler, based on the WDJ hull. I wonder if it would
> be helpful to let them know about your experience with the size of the
> motor well? It is mentioned in the write-up on the Deleware that a 9.9
> was used during the video of the WDJ they offer - which was the
> prototype I understand. Perhaps the Yamaha - which they are
> apparently high on - fits the compartment better?
>
> I too agree about using a tandem trailer and not carrying the motor on
> the stern when towing. Wrestling a 90 pound 4-stoke on and off is not
> that appealing however:-)
>
> And you have to be careful about transporting the motor as well from
> what I have heard. Laying it down the proper way etc.
>
> Nels
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "stoverr97213" <rm__stover1@...> wrote:
Thanks for providing some useful details regarding your experience
with Trimara. I am sure they are of interest to a lot of other crazy
dreamers like myself:-)
Quite likely some of the changes were the result of Bjorn's
experiences, particularly regarding strengthening the leeboard
brackets. PCB&F seem very quick to respond when somebody reports back
to them regarding any less than satisfactory experiences with their
plans as drawn. Perhaps this can be distracting for them at times, but
in that regard they are very involved and interested in getting
feedback.
It's a nice bonus that the design is such a capable motorsailer if one
encounters light or head winds. So capable in fact that they came up
with the Deleware Trawler, based on the WDJ hull. I wonder if it would
be helpful to let them know about your experience with the size of the
motor well? It is mentioned in the write-up on the Deleware that a 9.9
was used during the video of the WDJ they offer - which was the
prototype I understand. Perhaps the Yamaha - which they are
apparently high on - fits the compartment better?
I too agree about using a tandem trailer and not carrying the motor on
the stern when towing. Wrestling a 90 pound 4-stoke on and off is not
that appealing however:-)
And you have to be careful about transporting the motor as well from
what I have heard. Laying it down the proper way etc.
Nels
> >Hi Richard,
> Nels: I will try to respond to all your questions.
Thanks for providing some useful details regarding your experience
with Trimara. I am sure they are of interest to a lot of other crazy
dreamers like myself:-)
Quite likely some of the changes were the result of Bjorn's
experiences, particularly regarding strengthening the leeboard
brackets. PCB&F seem very quick to respond when somebody reports back
to them regarding any less than satisfactory experiences with their
plans as drawn. Perhaps this can be distracting for them at times, but
in that regard they are very involved and interested in getting
feedback.
It's a nice bonus that the design is such a capable motorsailer if one
encounters light or head winds. So capable in fact that they came up
with the Deleware Trawler, based on the WDJ hull. I wonder if it would
be helpful to let them know about your experience with the size of the
motor well? It is mentioned in the write-up on the Deleware that a 9.9
was used during the video of the WDJ they offer - which was the
prototype I understand. Perhaps the Yamaha - which they are
apparently high on - fits the compartment better?
I too agree about using a tandem trailer and not carrying the motor on
the stern when towing. Wrestling a 90 pound 4-stoke on and off is not
that appealing however:-)
And you have to be careful about transporting the motor as well from
what I have heard. Laying it down the proper way etc.
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@...> wrote:
sailed Trimara in rough weather yet. It just hasn't come up. The
Puget Sound and Canadian Gulf Islands experience calm winds most of
the summer. This last trip I motored 180 miles. Just not a lot of
wind. It also tends to always be inyour face. Bolger made a few
changes to the original and I don't know if they were incorporated
by Bjorn. The masts were shortened two feet, and the leeboard
brackets were reinforced per Bolgers recs. Bolger suggested a pump
system for the water ballast but I kept with the original more
simple approach. The water ballast works well, but I had to add
90lbs of ballast to the port side tank to compensate for the off set
masts causing the boat to list to starboard.I like the cabin, very
secure feeling. I've had it in cool spring weather and hot summer
weather. My family of four spent three weeks without too much
problem. The motor is a 8hp Honda classic four stroke. The modern
styled Honda 9.9 wouldn't fit. Be warned to measure the motor
compartment before buying a motor. Trimara launches and retrieves
easily. She is on a dual axle trailer, which I would recommend. I
pull it with a Ford Explorer that has a v8. I have to take the
motor off due to too much weight in the stern. The stern sticks out
a long way, and I can't get the boat far enough forward to
compensate. It tows well without that weight on the stern. I find
the motor to be rather loud. Part of the problem is the design. The
open flooding well and the bunk area in the rear seem to act as a
sound box. I assumed hondas would be very quiet, but this one is
not. I didn't shop around and didn't check to compare loudness of
various motors. I would be glad to respond to any other questions.
Richard
>and
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "stoverr97213" <rm__stover1@> wrote:
> >
> > The Trimara pictures were taken in Washington(San Juan Islands),
> > the Canadian Gulf Islands. Richardthem
> >
> Hi Richard,
>
> Those photos basically left me speechless and thanks for sharing
> with us. Trimara appears to be about the perfect boat for thatsailing
> area. Hopefully at some time you could share her sailingcapabilities
> with the rest of us less fortunates:-)well
>
> Where there any major changes from the original version that Bjorn
> built? How do you like that cabin configuration and does it work
> in what can be sometimes variable weather conditions in your area?the
>
> What kind of motor did you choose and how does that design handle
> more vigorous sailing conditions? Do you trailer the boat much andhow
> does it work out in that regard? Did you incorporate the waterballast?
>Nels: I will try to respond to all your questions. I have not
> Nels
>
sailed Trimara in rough weather yet. It just hasn't come up. The
Puget Sound and Canadian Gulf Islands experience calm winds most of
the summer. This last trip I motored 180 miles. Just not a lot of
wind. It also tends to always be inyour face. Bolger made a few
changes to the original and I don't know if they were incorporated
by Bjorn. The masts were shortened two feet, and the leeboard
brackets were reinforced per Bolgers recs. Bolger suggested a pump
system for the water ballast but I kept with the original more
simple approach. The water ballast works well, but I had to add
90lbs of ballast to the port side tank to compensate for the off set
masts causing the boat to list to starboard.I like the cabin, very
secure feeling. I've had it in cool spring weather and hot summer
weather. My family of four spent three weeks without too much
problem. The motor is a 8hp Honda classic four stroke. The modern
styled Honda 9.9 wouldn't fit. Be warned to measure the motor
compartment before buying a motor. Trimara launches and retrieves
easily. She is on a dual axle trailer, which I would recommend. I
pull it with a Ford Explorer that has a v8. I have to take the
motor off due to too much weight in the stern. The stern sticks out
a long way, and I can't get the boat far enough forward to
compensate. It tows well without that weight on the stern. I find
the motor to be rather loud. Part of the problem is the design. The
open flooding well and the bunk area in the rear seem to act as a
sound box. I assumed hondas would be very quiet, but this one is
not. I didn't shop around and didn't check to compare loudness of
various motors. I would be glad to respond to any other questions.
Richard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "stoverr97213" <rm__stover1@...> wrote:
Those photos basically left me speechless and thanks for sharing them
with us. Trimara appears to be about the perfect boat for that sailing
area. Hopefully at some time you could share her sailing capabilities
with the rest of us less fortunates:-)
Where there any major changes from the original version that Bjorn
built? How do you like that cabin configuration and does it work well
in what can be sometimes variable weather conditions in your area?
What kind of motor did you choose and how does that design handle the
more vigorous sailing conditions? Do you trailer the boat much and how
does it work out in that regard? Did you incorporate the water ballast?
Nels
>Hi Richard,
> The Trimara pictures were taken in Washington(San Juan Islands), and
> the Canadian Gulf Islands. Richard
>
Those photos basically left me speechless and thanks for sharing them
with us. Trimara appears to be about the perfect boat for that sailing
area. Hopefully at some time you could share her sailing capabilities
with the rest of us less fortunates:-)
Where there any major changes from the original version that Bjorn
built? How do you like that cabin configuration and does it work well
in what can be sometimes variable weather conditions in your area?
What kind of motor did you choose and how does that design handle the
more vigorous sailing conditions? Do you trailer the boat much and how
does it work out in that regard? Did you incorporate the water ballast?
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pvanderwaart" <pvanderwaart@...> wrote:
spent almost an hour looking in the various photo and file sites.
Nels
>Got it! Thanks Peter for the link ...My server is very slow and I
> > Yes I know where they were taken, but I can't find where they have
> > been posted. I searched all through the Bolger files.
>
> In the photos section of the group under Richard's WDJ, I think.
>
>http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/photos/browse/65dd?m=l
>
spent almost an hour looking in the various photo and file sites.
Nels
> Yes I know where they were taken, but I can't find where they haveIn the photos section of the group under Richard's WDJ, I think.
> been posted. I searched all through the Bolger files.
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/photos/browse/65dd?m=l
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "stoverr97213" <rm__stover1@...> wrote:
been posted. I searched all through the Bolger files.
Thanks, Nels
>Yes I know where they were taken, but I can't find where they have
> The Trimara pictures were taken in Washington(San Juan Islands), and
> the Canadian Gulf Islands. Richard
>
been posted. I searched all through the Bolger files.
Thanks, Nels
The Trimara pictures were taken in Washington(San Juan Islands), and
the Canadian Gulf Islands. Richard
the Canadian Gulf Islands. Richard