RE: [bolger] Re: Dinghy Recommendation: Nymph and Pointy Skiff co mpared.
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From: "Orr, Jamie" <jorr@...>
Date sent: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 08:24:42 -0700
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Your conditions there must be much more benign than here then Jamie.
I have had a punt for about 12 years as a knockabout fun boat for
the kids when they were small, but now find that the punt is not
really very good for more than one person, perhaps two, and some
gear, when pulling out to my Micro on a relatively exposed mooring.
I wrote to Bolger regarding his BEE, which if you do not know, is
the prototype for the Sneakeasy powerboat. To quote from his
reply...
"With several inches added to the height of the sides, BEE makes
a good outboard tender. With 6hp, she will plane with 2 persons.
2.5hp is ample for most purposes".
Certainly with the sponson form, it should be more stable than a
Punt, and with a small motor will be a little speedboat, though I
think when he sent the plans he said I was not allowed to stand on
the gunwhale!
I bought the plans but other projects have got in the way til now.
Anyone looking for a tender to aesthetically blend with their Bolger
could have a serious look at BEE.
Don
From: "Orr, Jamie" <jorr@...>
Date sent: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 08:24:42 -0700
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Your conditions there must be much more benign than here then Jamie.
I have had a punt for about 12 years as a knockabout fun boat for
the kids when they were small, but now find that the punt is not
really very good for more than one person, perhaps two, and some
gear, when pulling out to my Micro on a relatively exposed mooring.
I wrote to Bolger regarding his BEE, which if you do not know, is
the prototype for the Sneakeasy powerboat. To quote from his
reply...
"With several inches added to the height of the sides, BEE makes
a good outboard tender. With 6hp, she will plane with 2 persons.
2.5hp is ample for most purposes".
Certainly with the sponson form, it should be more stable than a
Punt, and with a small motor will be a little speedboat, though I
think when he sent the plans he said I was not allowed to stand on
the gunwhale!
I bought the plans but other projects have got in the way til now.
Anyone looking for a tender to aesthetically blend with their Bolger
could have a serious look at BEE.
Don
> Don, what can I say -- there we were, four of us in the boat,rowing happily
> along. We didn't have room to move around a lot, and the kids weren't very
> big then, but the ep still did the job. We thought it was quite suitable.
>
> Jamie Orr
>
>
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> From:oink@...[mailto:oink@...]
> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 10:59 PM
> To:bolger@egroups.com
> Subject: RE: [bolger] Re: Dinghy Recommendation: Nymph and Pointy Skiff
> co mpared.
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> To: "'bolger@egroups.com'" <bolger@egroups.com>
> From: "Orr, Jamie" <jorr@...>
> Date sent: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 08:12:56 -0700
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> Subject: RE: [bolger] Re: Dinghy Recommendation: Nymph and
> Pointy Skiff co mpared.
>
> Gosh Jamie, you must be a family of midgets, and do your boating on a
> duckpond!
> No way is the punt suitable for a family of 4, unless you are hoping
> to reduce your food bill.
>
> Don
>
>
>
> > As another elegant punter, I agree with David. In reasonable
> weather,a
> > family of four will fit in, without problems -- total load of well over
> 400
> > pounds.
> >
> > I also agree about the second rowing position -- I've bought more
> oarlocks,
> > but haven't put them in yet. Meanwhile, with all four in the boat, I can
> > row from the stern and the balance is right.
> >
> > The boat itself is very light, never weighed it, but it feels lighter than
> > our 49 pound canoe. Also quick and cheap to build (no epoxy or glass).
> The
> > downside is that she is more elegant in function than form -- she's boxy
> in
> > appearance and may be an acquired taste.
> >
> > Jamie Orr
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David [mailto:dcassidy@...]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 7:52 AM
> > To:bolger@egroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Dinghy Recommendation: Nymph and Pointy Skiff
> > compared.
> >
> >
> > Tim Fatchen wrote:
> >
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > It occurs to me that the Elegant Punt, with its greater initial
> > > stability, might make a better tender without a change in overall
> > > dimension.
> >
> > My newly-constructed Elegant Punt has just begun service as a tender to my
> > Catalina 22 on Lake Champlain. I added an approx. 2 foot skeg to the rear,
> > to help it track straight.
> >
> > Last weekend, I rowed myself, my wife and two small children (ages 5 and
> 2)
> > out to the moored sailboat (about 300 - 400 feet) in a 10 knot breeze,
> with
> > 10 or 20 pounds of baggage, with 6 foot, homemade oars, without a problem.
> > Total weight was about 375 -400 pounds. The only change I will now make is
> > the installation of an additional set of oarlock sockets, placed about 8
> > inches ahead of the designed placement. This will allow me to row from a
> > position further forward and even out the weight distribution for our
> > particular needs.
> >
> > I haven't towed her yet, but she rides so high when empty, I can't think
> it
> > would be a problem.
> >
> > David
> >
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My Nymph had two rowing stations and the longitudinal thwart. The
biggest problem with it was that it became awkward with two or more
aboard plus sailbags, etc. . . If I build another one, I would
seriously think about using milk crates or wooden boxes to sit on
that
could be moved around and wedged in place, a slit for the center
frame could be installed as well, this might make it more
utilitarian
and make it easier to get in and out of as stepping on the bottom
would
lower the CG. The other modification would be to increase the
dimension of the transom framing so that the stern passenger would
have
a more comfortable area to lean against.
I caught a 26" striped bass (two inches below legal Massachusetts
size) in my Nymph so I guess it was my first "Bass Boat". (Eat your
heart out MacKenzie Cuttyhunk owners!)
biggest problem with it was that it became awkward with two or more
aboard plus sailbags, etc. . . If I build another one, I would
seriously think about using milk crates or wooden boxes to sit on
that
could be moved around and wedged in place, a slit for the center
frame could be installed as well, this might make it more
utilitarian
and make it easier to get in and out of as stepping on the bottom
would
lower the CG. The other modification would be to increase the
dimension of the transom framing so that the stern passenger would
have
a more comfortable area to lean against.
I caught a 26" striped bass (two inches below legal Massachusetts
size) in my Nymph so I guess it was my first "Bass Boat". (Eat your
heart out MacKenzie Cuttyhunk owners!)
Don, what can I say -- there we were, four of us in the boat, rowing happily
along. We didn't have room to move around a lot, and the kids weren't very
big then, but the ep still did the job. We thought it was quite suitable.
Jamie Orr
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Subject: RE: [bolger] Re: Dinghy Recommendation: Nymph and Pointy Skiff
co mpared.
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From: "Orr, Jamie" <jorr@...>
Date sent: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 08:12:56 -0700
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Subject: RE: [bolger] Re: Dinghy Recommendation: Nymph and
Pointy Skiff co mpared.
Gosh Jamie, you must be a family of midgets, and do your boating on a
duckpond!
No way is the punt suitable for a family of 4, unless you are hoping
to reduce your food bill.
Don
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along. We didn't have room to move around a lot, and the kids weren't very
big then, but the ep still did the job. We thought it was quite suitable.
Jamie Orr
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From: "Orr, Jamie" <jorr@...>
Date sent: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 08:12:56 -0700
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Subject: RE: [bolger] Re: Dinghy Recommendation: Nymph and
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Gosh Jamie, you must be a family of midgets, and do your boating on a
duckpond!
No way is the punt suitable for a family of 4, unless you are hoping
to reduce your food bill.
Don
> As another elegant punter, I agree with David. In reasonableweather,a
> family of four will fit in, without problems -- total load of well over400
> pounds.oarlocks,
>
> I also agree about the second rowing position -- I've bought more
> but haven't put them in yet. Meanwhile, with all four in the boat, I canThe
> row from the stern and the balance is right.
>
> The boat itself is very light, never weighed it, but it feels lighter than
> our 49 pound canoe. Also quick and cheap to build (no epoxy or glass).
> downside is that she is more elegant in function than form -- she's boxyin
> appearance and may be an acquired taste.2)
>
> Jamie Orr
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David [mailto:dcassidy@...]
> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 7:52 AM
> To:bolger@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Dinghy Recommendation: Nymph and Pointy Skiff
> compared.
>
>
> Tim Fatchen wrote:
>
> > <snip>
> >
> > It occurs to me that the Elegant Punt, with its greater initial
> > stability, might make a better tender without a change in overall
> > dimension.
>
> My newly-constructed Elegant Punt has just begun service as a tender to my
> Catalina 22 on Lake Champlain. I added an approx. 2 foot skeg to the rear,
> to help it track straight.
>
> Last weekend, I rowed myself, my wife and two small children (ages 5 and
> out to the moored sailboat (about 300 - 400 feet) in a 10 knot breeze,with
> 10 or 20 pounds of baggage, with 6 foot, homemade oars, without a problem.it
> Total weight was about 375 -400 pounds. The only change I will now make is
> the installation of an additional set of oarlock sockets, placed about 8
> inches ahead of the designed placement. This will allow me to row from a
> position further forward and even out the weight distribution for our
> particular needs.
>
> I haven't towed her yet, but she rides so high when empty, I can't think
> would be a problem.------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> David
>
>
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To: "'bolger@egroups.com'" <bolger@egroups.com>
From: "Orr, Jamie" <jorr@...>
Date sent: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 08:12:56 -0700
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Subject: RE: [bolger] Re: Dinghy Recommendation: Nymph and Pointy Skiff co mpared.
Gosh Jamie, you must be a family of midgets, and do your boating on a duckpond!
No way is the punt suitable for a family of 4, unless you are hoping
to reduce your food bill.
Don
From: "Orr, Jamie" <jorr@...>
Date sent: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 08:12:56 -0700
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Subject: RE: [bolger] Re: Dinghy Recommendation: Nymph and Pointy Skiff co mpared.
Gosh Jamie, you must be a family of midgets, and do your boating on a duckpond!
No way is the punt suitable for a family of 4, unless you are hoping
to reduce your food bill.
Don
> As another elegant punter, I agree with David. In reasonableweather,a
> family of four will fit in, without problems -- total load of well over 400
> pounds.
>
> I also agree about the second rowing position -- I've bought more oarlocks,
> but haven't put them in yet. Meanwhile, with all four in the boat, I can
> row from the stern and the balance is right.
>
> The boat itself is very light, never weighed it, but it feels lighter than
> our 49 pound canoe. Also quick and cheap to build (no epoxy or glass). The
> downside is that she is more elegant in function than form -- she's boxy in
> appearance and may be an acquired taste.
>
> Jamie Orr
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David [mailto:dcassidy@...]
> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 7:52 AM
> To:bolger@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Dinghy Recommendation: Nymph and Pointy Skiff
> compared.
>
>
> Tim Fatchen wrote:
>
> > <snip>
> >
> > It occurs to me that the Elegant Punt, with its greater initial
> > stability, might make a better tender without a change in overall
> > dimension.
>
> My newly-constructed Elegant Punt has just begun service as a tender to my
> Catalina 22 on Lake Champlain. I added an approx. 2 foot skeg to the rear,
> to help it track straight.
>
> Last weekend, I rowed myself, my wife and two small children (ages 5 and 2)
> out to the moored sailboat (about 300 - 400 feet) in a 10 knot breeze, with
> 10 or 20 pounds of baggage, with 6 foot, homemade oars, without a problem.
> Total weight was about 375 -400 pounds. The only change I will now make is
> the installation of an additional set of oarlock sockets, placed about 8
> inches ahead of the designed placement. This will allow me to row from a
> position further forward and even out the weight distribution for our
> particular needs.
>
> I haven't towed her yet, but she rides so high when empty, I can't think it
> would be a problem.
>
> David
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Old school buds here:
>http://click.egroups.com/1/4057/10/_/3457/_/960476006/
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Old school buds here:
>http://click.egroups.com/1/4057/10/_/3457/_/960477187/
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
As another elegant punter, I agree with David. In reasonable weather,a
family of four will fit in, without problems -- total load of well over 400
pounds.
I also agree about the second rowing position -- I've bought more oarlocks,
but haven't put them in yet. Meanwhile, with all four in the boat, I can
row from the stern and the balance is right.
The boat itself is very light, never weighed it, but it feels lighter than
our 49 pound canoe. Also quick and cheap to build (no epoxy or glass). The
downside is that she is more elegant in function than form -- she's boxy in
appearance and may be an acquired taste.
Jamie Orr
-----Original Message-----
From: David [mailto:dcassidy@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 7:52 AM
To:bolger@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Dinghy Recommendation: Nymph and Pointy Skiff
compared.
Tim Fatchen wrote:
Catalina 22 on Lake Champlain. I added an approx. 2 foot skeg to the rear,
to help it track straight.
Last weekend, I rowed myself, my wife and two small children (ages 5 and 2)
out to the moored sailboat (about 300 - 400 feet) in a 10 knot breeze, with
10 or 20 pounds of baggage, with 6 foot, homemade oars, without a problem.
Total weight was about 375 -400 pounds. The only change I will now make is
the installation of an additional set of oarlock sockets, placed about 8
inches ahead of the designed placement. This will allow me to row from a
position further forward and even out the weight distribution for our
particular needs.
I haven't towed her yet, but she rides so high when empty, I can't think it
would be a problem.
David
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family of four will fit in, without problems -- total load of well over 400
pounds.
I also agree about the second rowing position -- I've bought more oarlocks,
but haven't put them in yet. Meanwhile, with all four in the boat, I can
row from the stern and the balance is right.
The boat itself is very light, never weighed it, but it feels lighter than
our 49 pound canoe. Also quick and cheap to build (no epoxy or glass). The
downside is that she is more elegant in function than form -- she's boxy in
appearance and may be an acquired taste.
Jamie Orr
-----Original Message-----
From: David [mailto:dcassidy@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 7:52 AM
To:bolger@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Dinghy Recommendation: Nymph and Pointy Skiff
compared.
Tim Fatchen wrote:
> <snip>My newly-constructed Elegant Punt has just begun service as a tender to my
>
> It occurs to me that the Elegant Punt, with its greater initial
> stability, might make a better tender without a change in overall
> dimension.
Catalina 22 on Lake Champlain. I added an approx. 2 foot skeg to the rear,
to help it track straight.
Last weekend, I rowed myself, my wife and two small children (ages 5 and 2)
out to the moored sailboat (about 300 - 400 feet) in a 10 knot breeze, with
10 or 20 pounds of baggage, with 6 foot, homemade oars, without a problem.
Total weight was about 375 -400 pounds. The only change I will now make is
the installation of an additional set of oarlock sockets, placed about 8
inches ahead of the designed placement. This will allow me to row from a
position further forward and even out the weight distribution for our
particular needs.
I haven't towed her yet, but she rides so high when empty, I can't think it
would be a problem.
David
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