Re: 2 quick questions
Graeme, I like those gate hinge's. Simple and easy. Patrick also
recomended that standard pintels are available in stainless for about $20.
Thanks
Steven
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@...>
wrote:
recomended that standard pintels are available in stainless for about $20.
Thanks
Steven
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@...>
wrote:
>
> Steven,
>
> I think the answers to your second query about the eyes are to be
> found in H H Payson's "Instant Boats" p109. "Payson Eyes" for
> gudgeons are just 1/4" X 4" brass or bronze eyes with a shoulder.
> Cut a 3/8" length of 1/4" copper pipe, place it through the eye hole
> and bend over each side with a ball-pene hammer. That will take up
> the slack in the eye hole to fit 1/4 pintles. The pintles on the
> rudder can sometimes also be "Payson Eyes", and then a long 1/4" rod
> is placed through all 4 eyes.
>
> Another common hardware option, a bit heavy duty, that might give
> you another idea can be seen in Bolger2 Photos "Gate Hinges " album:
>
>http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger2/photos/browse/3695
>
> I think Payson more often uses bought proprietry fittings, or
> manufactures gudgeons and pintles from straps of metal and then
> screws or rivets them on.
>
> Building; then rigging, and sailing with the Windsprint balanced lug
> sail is in "Build the New Instant Boats". (JM has that prettty well
> covered IMHO.)
>
> Graeme
Steven,
I think the answers to your second query about the eyes are to be
found in H H Payson's "Instant Boats" p109. "Payson Eyes" for
gudgeons are just 1/4" X 4" brass or bronze eyes with a shoulder.
Cut a 3/8" length of 1/4" copper pipe, place it through the eye hole
and bend over each side with a ball-pene hammer. That will take up
the slack in the eye hole to fit 1/4 pintles. The pintles on the
rudder can sometimes also be "Payson Eyes", and then a long 1/4" rod
is placed through all 4 eyes.
Another common hardware option, a bit heavy duty, that might give
you another idea can be seen in Bolger2 Photos "Gate Hinges " album:
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger2/photos/browse/3695
I think Payson more often uses bought proprietry fittings, or
manufactures gudgeons and pintles from straps of metal and then
screws or rivets them on.
Building; then rigging, and sailing with the Windsprint balanced lug
sail is in "Build the New Instant Boats". (JM has that prettty well
covered IMHO.)
Graeme
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Steven DAntonio" <sdantonio93@...>
wrote:
I think the answers to your second query about the eyes are to be
found in H H Payson's "Instant Boats" p109. "Payson Eyes" for
gudgeons are just 1/4" X 4" brass or bronze eyes with a shoulder.
Cut a 3/8" length of 1/4" copper pipe, place it through the eye hole
and bend over each side with a ball-pene hammer. That will take up
the slack in the eye hole to fit 1/4 pintles. The pintles on the
rudder can sometimes also be "Payson Eyes", and then a long 1/4" rod
is placed through all 4 eyes.
Another common hardware option, a bit heavy duty, that might give
you another idea can be seen in Bolger2 Photos "Gate Hinges " album:
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger2/photos/browse/3695
I think Payson more often uses bought proprietry fittings, or
manufactures gudgeons and pintles from straps of metal and then
screws or rivets them on.
Building; then rigging, and sailing with the Windsprint balanced lug
sail is in "Build the New Instant Boats". (JM has that prettty well
covered IMHO.)
Graeme
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Steven DAntonio" <sdantonio93@...>
wrote:
> (2) Does anyone have any detailed pictures (and maybe a detailed
> description) of the rigging for the Windsprint, and also, the
> construction of "paysons eyes"?
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
Skiff ( plank keel, lap-strake, round-bottomed, curved stem,
graceful sheer, sand bagged, with very raked transom for coming in
to beach stern first through heavy surf), but with sharp sterns
(double ended?) were sometimes built and called "sharpies" though
the locals apparently knew about the flat-bottomed, pointy-bowed
boats.
In the 18 and 1900's there were various flat bottomed work boats in
parts of Australia also called "sharpies". Weekend racing was big
sport (-and I think can be traced on through to the Formula 18
Footers of today). I expect the model spread all around the world
via the great numbers engaged in gold rushes, seafaring, and
boatbuilding in those times. Some believe there is evidence of the
similarly constructed slab-sided dory type going back into the mists
of time for well over a thousand years!
Graeme
> I got my Chappelle out and here is a summary.Chapelle also says that boats on the model of the South Jersey Beach
Skiff ( plank keel, lap-strake, round-bottomed, curved stem,
graceful sheer, sand bagged, with very raked transom for coming in
to beach stern first through heavy surf), but with sharp sterns
(double ended?) were sometimes built and called "sharpies" though
the locals apparently knew about the flat-bottomed, pointy-bowed
boats.
In the 18 and 1900's there were various flat bottomed work boats in
parts of Australia also called "sharpies". Weekend racing was big
sport (-and I think can be traced on through to the Formula 18
Footers of today). I expect the model spread all around the world
via the great numbers engaged in gold rushes, seafaring, and
boatbuilding in those times. Some believe there is evidence of the
similarly constructed slab-sided dory type going back into the mists
of time for well over a thousand years!
Graeme
Patrick,
Thank you in advance for the pictures and also for the advice on the
pintles. I would be very interested in seeing things like the hole
arangement in the mast, boom and halyard and the bindings connecting
the boom and halyard to the mast. I saw one interesting suggestion
elsewhere where someone connected the sail to the boom and halyard
with wire ties ranther than a nylon rope. Quicker, easier and if one
breaks, the whole thing doesn't come apart. I also have to re-read the
papers on reefing lines until it makes sense. Funny thing, then I was
in grad school, theoretical physics wasn't this hard to understand :).
Steven
Thank you in advance for the pictures and also for the advice on the
pintles. I would be very interested in seeing things like the hole
arangement in the mast, boom and halyard and the bindings connecting
the boom and halyard to the mast. I saw one interesting suggestion
elsewhere where someone connected the sail to the boom and halyard
with wire ties ranther than a nylon rope. Quicker, easier and if one
breaks, the whole thing doesn't come apart. I also have to re-read the
papers on reefing lines until it makes sense. Funny thing, then I was
in grad school, theoretical physics wasn't this hard to understand :).
Steven
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Crockett <pcrockett@...> wrote:
>
> Steven:
>
> I didn't bother with the Payson eyes -- a pair of stainless steel
> pintles and gudgeons were only $10 or $20 and a lot easier. I'll try to
> snap a couple photos for you of the sail next time we take the boat out.
>
> Patrick
I got my Chappelle out and here is a summary.
Sharpies were developed by the New Haven oystermen in the 1820-30's when
they gave up on the old dugouts. They started with flat bottomed sailing
skiffs and by the mid 1850's had stretched them out and started adding
an extra mast. A good definition of a sharpie would be " a long narrow
low sided flat bottomed sailing boat". They started to be used
recreationaly very early on, by the 1860's. They were easy to build and
fast, the down side always being accommodations. Sharpie yachts up to
60' were built. They continued to be used commercially right up to the
end of the days of working sail.
The chapter on the New Haven Sharpie goes on for 13 pages-- "American
Sailing Craft" by Howard Chappelle if anybody is looking for further.
Modern designers that have continued to design Sharpies are Bolger of
course and Reuel Parker. Bolger has slipped pretty far from the
traditional sharpie, I don't think you can call anything he has done in
quite a while a "Sharpie".
And has been previously mentioned Sharpie has nothing to do with plywood
other than flat bottom and flat sides are easy to build with plywood.
If you like traditional Sharpie designs Reuel Parker's home page is
cool, you can really get a feel for the good and the bad in Sharpie's.
If I lived on the Atlantic or Gulf Coasts south of New York it would be
what I owned.
http://www.parker-marine.com/index.htm
HJ
Steven DAntonio wrote:
Sharpies were developed by the New Haven oystermen in the 1820-30's when
they gave up on the old dugouts. They started with flat bottomed sailing
skiffs and by the mid 1850's had stretched them out and started adding
an extra mast. A good definition of a sharpie would be " a long narrow
low sided flat bottomed sailing boat". They started to be used
recreationaly very early on, by the 1860's. They were easy to build and
fast, the down side always being accommodations. Sharpie yachts up to
60' were built. They continued to be used commercially right up to the
end of the days of working sail.
The chapter on the New Haven Sharpie goes on for 13 pages-- "American
Sailing Craft" by Howard Chappelle if anybody is looking for further.
Modern designers that have continued to design Sharpies are Bolger of
course and Reuel Parker. Bolger has slipped pretty far from the
traditional sharpie, I don't think you can call anything he has done in
quite a while a "Sharpie".
And has been previously mentioned Sharpie has nothing to do with plywood
other than flat bottom and flat sides are easy to build with plywood.
If you like traditional Sharpie designs Reuel Parker's home page is
cool, you can really get a feel for the good and the bad in Sharpie's.
If I lived on the Atlantic or Gulf Coasts south of New York it would be
what I owned.
http://www.parker-marine.com/index.htm
HJ
Steven DAntonio wrote:
> The first of which is a pretty meaningless question...---snip---
>
> (1) where did the term "sharpie" originate from refering to plywood boats?
>
> (
Steven:
I didn't bother with the Payson eyes -- a pair of stainless steel
pintles and gudgeons were only $10 or $20 and a lot easier. I'll try to
snap a couple photos for you of the sail next time we take the boat out.
Patrick
Steven DAntonio wrote:
I didn't bother with the Payson eyes -- a pair of stainless steel
pintles and gudgeons were only $10 or $20 and a lot easier. I'll try to
snap a couple photos for you of the sail next time we take the boat out.
Patrick
Steven DAntonio wrote:
> The first of which is a pretty meaningless question...
>
> (1) where did the term "sharpie" originate from refering to plywood boats?
>
> (2) Does anyone have any detailed pictures (and maybe a detailed
> description) of the rigging for the Windsprint, and also, the
> construction of "paysons eyes"? The entire set of windsprint plans
> are great, but these two items I am having a great deal of trouble
> understanding for some reason. I've read Jim's writings on the
> balanced lug sail and It's still not clicking with me. I have ordered
> a copy of PCB's "100 sail rigs" hoping that I may find what I'm
> looking for in there too.
>
> Thnak you
> Steven
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> > (1) where did the term "sharpie" originate from refering toplywood boats?
Prior to the 19th century, most boats were "cod's head and mackeral
tail", i.e. blunt in front. As the the 19th went along, builders
started to get the idea that with the new materials going into sails
and rigging (e.g. better rope and wire) they could benefit from a more
pointed bow for windward work. Lots of different descriptors were used
that included the sense of "sharp", e.g. sharpshooter, sharp-built, etc.
The actual sharpies from which the Bolger-style plywood boats got the
name are the New Haven Sharpies, which were flat-bottom, flat-sided
boats used for tonging oysters. I don't remember having seen much
about the origins of these boats, but it seems likely (to me,
off-the-cuff) they were derived from smaller flat-bottom skiffs. I
don't know of any large boats from which they could have been derived.
When plywood started to be used for boats in the mid-20th century,
most of the early boats were V-bottom, and were referred to as
skipjacks, after the V-bottom Chesapeake boats.
On 9/3/06, Steven DAntonio <sdantonio93@...> wrote:
the invention of plywood,
Sharpie means: A boat, usually a sailboat, that is long for its width.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharpie_%28boat%29
>I understand that the term 'sharpie' if very old, probably older than
>
> The first of which is a pretty meaningless question...
>
> (1) where did the term "sharpie" originate from refering to plywood boats?
the invention of plywood,
Sharpie means: A boat, usually a sailboat, that is long for its width.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharpie_%28boat%29
The first of which is a pretty meaningless question...
(1) where did the term "sharpie" originate from refering to plywood boats?
(2) Does anyone have any detailed pictures (and maybe a detailed
description) of the rigging for the Windsprint, and also, the
construction of "paysons eyes"? The entire set of windsprint plans
are great, but these two items I am having a great deal of trouble
understanding for some reason. I've read Jim's writings on the
balanced lug sail and It's still not clicking with me. I have ordered
a copy of PCB's "100 sail rigs" hoping that I may find what I'm
looking for in there too.
Thnak you
Steven
(1) where did the term "sharpie" originate from refering to plywood boats?
(2) Does anyone have any detailed pictures (and maybe a detailed
description) of the rigging for the Windsprint, and also, the
construction of "paysons eyes"? The entire set of windsprint plans
are great, but these two items I am having a great deal of trouble
understanding for some reason. I've read Jim's writings on the
balanced lug sail and It's still not clicking with me. I have ordered
a copy of PCB's "100 sail rigs" hoping that I may find what I'm
looking for in there too.
Thnak you
Steven