Re: Fiddler / Fiddler II
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "donschultz8275" <donschultz@...> wrote:
had an 82 Chev conversion done with one of these and altho the van is
rusted away the pop-top is still like new. Unfortunately the roof-line
on my newer van (97) is too narrow to accept it.
Might be an idea to use the pop-top on a Fiddler with a jet drive for
shallow river use:-)
http://sportsmobile.com/
Nels
>Speaking of pop tops. These are about the best ones ever made IMP. I
>
>http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger4photos/photos/browse/569d
>
> As you can see in the link above, the sketch I did a couple of years
> ago is in the group bolger4photos/photos/miscellaneous.
>
> Per Bruce Hallman's concern re the transverse slot. My longwise
> slot would be covered by the poptop which in imagine being stowed
> while underway, and popped only when anchored/parked for the night.
had an 82 Chev conversion done with one of these and altho the van is
rusted away the pop-top is still like new. Unfortunately the roof-line
on my newer van (97) is too narrow to accept it.
Might be an idea to use the pop-top on a Fiddler with a jet drive for
shallow river use:-)
http://sportsmobile.com/
Nels
Kristine,
Unfortunately PB&F is years behind in fulfilling paid for commisioned
designs right now. I understand they are not taking more commissions
at this time.
Don Schultz
Unfortunately PB&F is years behind in fulfilling paid for commisioned
designs right now. I understand they are not taking more commissions
at this time.
Don Schultz
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
>
> On 9/13/06, Kristine Bennett wrote:
>
> > Maybe we all should see if Phil will make drawings for
> > a Fiddler III.
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger4photos/photos/browse/569d
As you can see in the link above, the sketch I did a couple of years
ago is in the group bolger4photos/photos/miscellaneous.
Per Bruce Hallman's concern re the transverse slot. My longwise
slot would be covered by the poptop which in imagine being stowed
while underway, and popped only when anchored/parked for the night.
I also lifted the forward part of the superstructure a few
inches 'cause it looked to me like who ever slept the furthest fwd
would be crowded by the overhead. Of course, Bruce's boxkeel is
evident. IMO the great success of Microtrawler and the Watervan
prove the value of this mod.
Also, in "30 Odd Boats", Bolger expresses concern about the bottom
being stiff enough. The boxkeel certainly helps.
IMO a fun and versatile craft.
Don
PS, that old Homelite sounds perfect for Fiddler II.
DAS
As you can see in the link above, the sketch I did a couple of years
ago is in the group bolger4photos/photos/miscellaneous.
Per Bruce Hallman's concern re the transverse slot. My longwise
slot would be covered by the poptop which in imagine being stowed
while underway, and popped only when anchored/parked for the night.
I also lifted the forward part of the superstructure a few
inches 'cause it looked to me like who ever slept the furthest fwd
would be crowded by the overhead. Of course, Bruce's boxkeel is
evident. IMO the great success of Microtrawler and the Watervan
prove the value of this mod.
Also, in "30 Odd Boats", Bolger expresses concern about the bottom
being stiff enough. The boxkeel certainly helps.
IMO a fun and versatile craft.
Don
PS, that old Homelite sounds perfect for Fiddler II.
DAS
On 9/13/06, Kristine Bennett wrote:
http://hallman.org/bolger/391/fiddler3.gif
http://hallman.org/bolger/391/fiddler3.fbm
> Maybe we all should see if Phil will make drawings forHere is a Freeship illustration of a Fiddler 3
> a Fiddler III.
http://hallman.org/bolger/391/fiddler3.gif
http://hallman.org/bolger/391/fiddler3.fbm
The more I look at the Fiddler II the more I like it
and it's also on a very short list. Yes adding a boxy
cutwater keels would be a must!
Maybe we all should see if Phil will make drawings for
a Fiddler III.
I also have the outboard to put on it as well. It's a
Homelite Bearcat 55HP. Just for those that don't know
the Homelites are four cycle over head cam engines and
the design dates back into the early to mid 50s. It's
an olde but a goodie!! Honda eat your heart out! Oh
mine was made in 1966 long before Honda ever got into
the OB's
Take care Kristine
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and it's also on a very short list. Yes adding a boxy
cutwater keels would be a must!
Maybe we all should see if Phil will make drawings for
a Fiddler III.
I also have the outboard to put on it as well. It's a
Homelite Bearcat 55HP. Just for those that don't know
the Homelites are four cycle over head cam engines and
the design dates back into the early to mid 50s. It's
an olde but a goodie!! Honda eat your heart out! Oh
mine was made in 1966 long before Honda ever got into
the OB's
Take care Kristine
--- Bruce Hallman <bruce@...> wrote:
>__________________________________________________
> Fiddler II design is 25 +/- years old. No doubt in
> rough water you
> might knock out a few teeth, but she probably
> wouldn't sink.
>
> I am 99% sure that a Fiddler III update would have a
> boxy cutwater,
> like Watervan.
>
> The boxy cutwater would help also by adding buoyancy
> under the bed,
> improving the attitude of the boat while sleeping.
>
> A Fiddler would be a quick and easy build (in my
> mind), and is on my
> short list of next boats.
>
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Thank you Don for voiceing your idea about a pop-top
for the Fiddler II. I had the same idea myself last
night when I looked at the links. I did the Hey a VW
bus poptop would work just great on that. Then add a
flip up windsheald in the front of it.
But yes I would want to add a box keel to it as well!
I also had the idea... What would happen if you added
two box keels at about 1/5th of the way inboard. But
I think that would only work if you ran twin OBs
I talked with a friend about the "box keels" and to
keep things short he got into how and why they work
and did the good and bad about them. It sounded to me
they were a GREAT way to go and I liked what he had to
say.
But what flooded me was he said "I would never have or
own a boat with one!" Say what! Then I asked him why?
He didn't like how they looked! What?! Looks are not
every thing when it comes to boats!
If it does what I want, when I want, get's me there
and back in safety then it's a good boat in my mind.
If it looks nice all the better.
Kristine
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for the Fiddler II. I had the same idea myself last
night when I looked at the links. I did the Hey a VW
bus poptop would work just great on that. Then add a
flip up windsheald in the front of it.
But yes I would want to add a box keel to it as well!
I also had the idea... What would happen if you added
two box keels at about 1/5th of the way inboard. But
I think that would only work if you ran twin OBs
I talked with a friend about the "box keels" and to
keep things short he got into how and why they work
and did the good and bad about them. It sounded to me
they were a GREAT way to go and I liked what he had to
say.
But what flooded me was he said "I would never have or
own a boat with one!" Say what! Then I asked him why?
He didn't like how they looked! What?! Looks are not
every thing when it comes to boats!
If it does what I want, when I want, get's me there
and back in safety then it's a good boat in my mind.
If it looks nice all the better.
Kristine
--- donschultz8275 <donschultz@...> wrote:
> I have 30 Odd Boats. The essay concerning Fiddler__________________________________________________
> II does indicate
> Bolger has sufficently finished the design for the
> boat to be built.
> IMO it would make a decent travel trailer and
> vacation camp/cruiser.
>
> I would only consider building it with Hallman's box
> keel add on.
> Can't remember where they're at now but I also
> sketched up some mods
> to Bolger's drawings of Fiddler II adding a boxkeel,
> a slot top with a
> popup camper style cover. Either side of the slot
> could be a berth
> for sleeping.
>
> Don Schultz
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On 9/13/06, donschultz8275 <donschultz@...> wrote:
the hull, is a classic Bolgerism.
That is: The engineering of human nature.
He wants to control where the live load (people) are located when the
hull is moving on plane, keeping weight towards the aft of the boat.
> Fiddler II, a slot topI think the location of the Fiddler II athwartship slot, at the aft of
the hull, is a classic Bolgerism.
That is: The engineering of human nature.
He wants to control where the live load (people) are located when the
hull is moving on plane, keeping weight towards the aft of the boat.
I have 30 Odd Boats. The essay concerning Fiddler II does indicate
Bolger has sufficently finished the design for the boat to be built.
IMO it would make a decent travel trailer and vacation camp/cruiser.
I would only consider building it with Hallman's box keel add on.
Can't remember where they're at now but I also sketched up some mods
to Bolger's drawings of Fiddler II adding a boxkeel, a slot top with a
popup camper style cover. Either side of the slot could be a berth
for sleeping.
Don Schultz
Bolger has sufficently finished the design for the boat to be built.
IMO it would make a decent travel trailer and vacation camp/cruiser.
I would only consider building it with Hallman's box keel add on.
Can't remember where they're at now but I also sketched up some mods
to Bolger's drawings of Fiddler II adding a boxkeel, a slot top with a
popup camper style cover. Either side of the slot could be a berth
for sleeping.
Don Schultz
> Fiddler is closer to what I had in mind and Fiddler III have never actually seen the design Fiddler, has anybody?
Fiddler II design is 25 +/- years old. No doubt in rough water you
might knock out a few teeth, but she probably wouldn't sink.
I am 99% sure that a Fiddler III update would have a boxy cutwater,
like Watervan.
The boxy cutwater would help also by adding buoyancy under the bed,
improving the attitude of the boat while sleeping.
A Fiddler would be a quick and easy build (in my mind), and is on my
short list of next boats.
On 9/13/06, Mark Albanese <marka@...> wrote:
not really a prime time website or even a blog.
An index is too much work, though I do like social bookmarking with
the bolger tag
at del.icio.us
http://del.icio.us/tag/bolger
> get over to all your boat stuff blind from Hallman.org or even slashSorry, much of hallman.org is simply an on-line sketch pad for my dreams,
> bolger.
not really a prime time website or even a blog.
An index is too much work, though I do like social bookmarking with
the bolger tag
at del.icio.us
http://del.icio.us/tag/bolger
Nice, Bruce. Very nice.
I remembered this and tried to flag it for Kristine, but can never
get over to all your boat stuff blind from Hallman.org or even slash
bolger.
Mark
I remembered this and tried to flag it for Kristine, but can never
get over to all your boat stuff blind from Hallman.org or even slash
bolger.
Mark
>
>
> I made a model with a cutwater here.
>
>http://hallman.org/bolger/391/
>
>http://hallman.org/bolger/391/391a.gif
>
> A dipping lug rig could be added easily.
>
>
>http://hallman.org/bolger/391/391b.gif
>
> Two Tortoise punts could be hitched to the stern for a lounging
> platform.
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15' 10" x 6' 8"
Complete plans are in 30-Odd-Boats
Or you can fax to PB&F for more info.
The boat would be nicer with the step sharpie box keel al la
Watervan. It takes a certain amount of bat sense to improvise one
properly. Stretching it is much more easier.
But I'd check with someone who really knows your cruising area on its
suitability.
Mark
Complete plans are in 30-Odd-Boats
Or you can fax to PB&F for more info.
The boat would be nicer with the step sharpie box keel al la
Watervan. It takes a certain amount of bat sense to improvise one
properly. Stretching it is much more easier.
But I'd check with someone who really knows your cruising area on its
suitability.
Mark
On Sep 12, 2006, at 9:24 PM, Kristine Bennett wrote:
> Fiddler is closer to what I had in mind and Fiddler II
> is even closer yet. I called a chevy van home for
> about 18 months and the Fiddler has more room and then
> my van did. Adding the box keel should help getting on
> plane and tracking.
>
> I couldn't read the printing on the drawings but what
> size was it to me? It look to be about 15 to 16 feet
> long and 6'6" or so wide.
>
> Also would I have to ask Bolger and Friends for more
> info and drawings?
>
> Blessings Kristine
>
> --- Bruce Hallman <bruce@...> wrote:
>
>> On 9/12/06, Mark Albanese <marka@...>
>> wrote:
>>> For something of Philip Bolger's, both the same
>> and completely
>>> different but smaller, you might enjoy
>>http://tinyurl.com/nf9ny
>>> Easy to stretch, though without the cutwater.
>>
>> Fiddler II, a shrunken Watervan. Actually a very
>> enticing boat!
>>
>> I think that Phil Bolger would approve the addition
>> of a cutwater,
>> which would be a simple mod.
>>
>>
>> I made a model with a cutwater here.
>>
>>http://hallman.org/bolger/391/
>>
>>http://hallman.org/bolger/391/391a.gif
>>
>> A dipping lug rig could be added easily.
>>
>>
>>http://hallman.org/bolger/391/391b.gif
>>
>> Two Tortoise punts could be hitched to the stern for
>> a lounging platform.
>>
>
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Fiddler is closer to what I had in mind and Fiddler II
is even closer yet. I called a chevy van home for
about 18 months and the Fiddler has more room and then
my van did. Adding the box keel should help getting on
plane and tracking.
I couldn't read the printing on the drawings but what
size was it to me? It look to be about 15 to 16 feet
long and 6'6" or so wide.
Also would I have to ask Bolger and Friends for more
info and drawings?
Blessings Kristine
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is even closer yet. I called a chevy van home for
about 18 months and the Fiddler has more room and then
my van did. Adding the box keel should help getting on
plane and tracking.
I couldn't read the printing on the drawings but what
size was it to me? It look to be about 15 to 16 feet
long and 6'6" or so wide.
Also would I have to ask Bolger and Friends for more
info and drawings?
Blessings Kristine
--- Bruce Hallman <bruce@...> wrote:
> On 9/12/06, Mark Albanese <marka@...>__________________________________________________
> wrote:
> > For something of Philip Bolger's, both the same
> and completely
> > different but smaller, you might enjoy
>http://tinyurl.com/nf9ny
> > Easy to stretch, though without the cutwater.
>
> Fiddler II, a shrunken Watervan. Actually a very
> enticing boat!
>
> I think that Phil Bolger would approve the addition
> of a cutwater,
> which would be a simple mod.
>
>
> I made a model with a cutwater here.
>
>http://hallman.org/bolger/391/
>
>http://hallman.org/bolger/391/391a.gif
>
> A dipping lug rig could be added easily.
>
>
>http://hallman.org/bolger/391/391b.gif
>
> Two Tortoise punts could be hitched to the stern for
> a lounging platform.
>
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On 9/12/06, Mark Albanese <marka@...> wrote:
I think that Phil Bolger would approve the addition of a cutwater,
which would be a simple mod.
I made a model with a cutwater here.
http://hallman.org/bolger/391/
http://hallman.org/bolger/391/391a.gif
A dipping lug rig could be added easily.
http://hallman.org/bolger/391/391b.gif
Two Tortoise punts could be hitched to the stern for a lounging platform.
> For something of Philip Bolger's, both the same and completelyFiddler II, a shrunken Watervan. Actually a very enticing boat!
> different but smaller, you might enjoyhttp://tinyurl.com/nf9ny
> Easy to stretch, though without the cutwater.
I think that Phil Bolger would approve the addition of a cutwater,
which would be a simple mod.
I made a model with a cutwater here.
http://hallman.org/bolger/391/
http://hallman.org/bolger/391/391a.gif
A dipping lug rig could be added easily.
http://hallman.org/bolger/391/391b.gif
Two Tortoise punts could be hitched to the stern for a lounging platform.
The largest compendium of drawings, with his own fabulous commentary,
is spread across the several books.
Small Boats
The Folding Schooner and Other Adventures ib Boat Design
Different Boats
Bolger Boats (combines the last two)
30-Odd-Boats
Boats With An Open Mind
All but the last are well out of print and so start at about $50
each. You may have good luck through interlibrary loan.
People also like to collect old issues of Small Boat Journal and
Messing About In Boats.
Once you've seen them there, the treat of seeing them in color on
your screen is doubled. Have a look in the files for this group,
boger's 2 thru 6, and Bolger Cartoons.
BTW I think taking 3 to 5 feet out of the middle from Watervan would
truly spoil it. Only 23 feet anyway, if you did shorten the
upperworks by half, that might save enough energy, time and materials
to have the hull full length. Dare not forget the Alaskan Bulkhead.
For something of Philip Bolger's, both the same and completely
different but smaller, you might enjoyhttp://tinyurl.com/nf9ny
Easy to stretch, though without the cutwater.
Other boats of his that might fit your bill of particulars in good
weather are Microtrawler or Hawkeye, both in the BWAOM book and on line.
Finally, many here hold the view that starting small's a good idea,
just to get the hang of it.
Far a tiny scale motor boat on the box keel idea, see
http://tinyurl.com/kf4dj
A whole series on that one is posted somewhere.
And for a step by step account
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/01/articles.htm
BW
Mark
is spread across the several books.
Small Boats
The Folding Schooner and Other Adventures ib Boat Design
Different Boats
Bolger Boats (combines the last two)
30-Odd-Boats
Boats With An Open Mind
All but the last are well out of print and so start at about $50
each. You may have good luck through interlibrary loan.
People also like to collect old issues of Small Boat Journal and
Messing About In Boats.
Once you've seen them there, the treat of seeing them in color on
your screen is doubled. Have a look in the files for this group,
boger's 2 thru 6, and Bolger Cartoons.
BTW I think taking 3 to 5 feet out of the middle from Watervan would
truly spoil it. Only 23 feet anyway, if you did shorten the
upperworks by half, that might save enough energy, time and materials
to have the hull full length. Dare not forget the Alaskan Bulkhead.
For something of Philip Bolger's, both the same and completely
different but smaller, you might enjoyhttp://tinyurl.com/nf9ny
Easy to stretch, though without the cutwater.
Other boats of his that might fit your bill of particulars in good
weather are Microtrawler or Hawkeye, both in the BWAOM book and on line.
Finally, many here hold the view that starting small's a good idea,
just to get the hang of it.
Far a tiny scale motor boat on the box keel idea, see
http://tinyurl.com/kf4dj
A whole series on that one is posted somewhere.
And for a step by step account
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/01/articles.htm
BW
Mark
> But where in the world would you find most of his[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> designs posted with the line drawings or a photo of
> one that had been built?
>
>
> Blessings Kristine
>>>
>>> I faxed Bolger about a plan for widder. longer,
>> higher Watervan -
>>> for use on the Great Lakes. He said: Trawler
>> Version .of Windermere
>>>
>>
>> Phil Bolger has 700+ designs already.
>> He has an existing design for nearly all imaginable
>> uses.
>>
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I know the number of the Watervan is 634 I think...
But where in the world would you find most of his
designs posted with the line drawings or a photo of
one that had been built?
I'll be one of the first to say some of his boats are
a bit...no a lot out of the NORM! But they do what
they were designed and built to do! And most times far
better then you would think they should!
A friend got to sail the Micro and fell in love with
it the last I knew he was building one as his time
would let him.
Blessings Kristine
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But where in the world would you find most of his
designs posted with the line drawings or a photo of
one that had been built?
I'll be one of the first to say some of his boats are
a bit...no a lot out of the NORM! But they do what
they were designed and built to do! And most times far
better then you would think they should!
A friend got to sail the Micro and fell in love with
it the last I knew he was building one as his time
would let him.
Blessings Kristine
> >__________________________________________________
> > I faxed Bolger about a plan for widder. longer,
> higher Watervan -
> > for use on the Great Lakes. He said: Trawler
> Version .of Windermere
> >
>
> Phil Bolger has 700+ designs already.
> He has an existing design for nearly all imaginable
> uses.
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On 9/10/06, Waldo F. Odonahue <waldofo@...> wrote:
He has an existing design for nearly all imaginable uses.
>Phil Bolger has 700+ designs already.
> I faxed Bolger about a plan for widder. longer, higher Watervan -
> for use on the Great Lakes. He said: Trawler Version of Windermere.
>
He has an existing design for nearly all imaginable uses.
I faxed Bolger about a plan for widder. longer, higher Watervan - for use on the Great Lakes. He said: Trawler Version of Windermere.
The only thing I would want is it in about 7 foot beam
and 18 to maybe 20 feet long. Then stop the house at
about half way back, so it would be more like a
quad-cab Watervan Jr. Having the aft deck space would
make it nice for crabbing and fishing up here.
It would also still have the size so a couple could
sleep on her as well. Face it you could put up a two
or three man tent on the back deck to sleep in. If you
wanted to keep it as simple as you can.
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The only thing I would want is it in about 7 foot beam
and 18 to maybe 20 feet long. Then stop the house at
about half way back, so it would be more like a
quad-cab Watervan Jr. Having the aft deck space would
make it nice for crabbing and fishing up here.
It would also still have the size so a couple could
sleep on her as well. Face it you could put up a two
or three man tent on the back deck to sleep in. If you
wanted to keep it as simple as you can.
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> I propose that Design Index entries be ammended where necessary to:Go for it, the design index database is 'open' and everyone in good
faith is welcome and encourged to work on this and improve it!
Hello to everyone in the group. Last weekend I
happened to see a photo of Phil's Watervan. I started
looking around the web to find out more about the
craft. I have found a little about it, and liked what
I have been able to read and see.
When I look at the Watervan I see a craft that would
work well most of the time up here in the San Juan
Islands of Washington State in the USA.
The only thing I would want is it in about 7 foot beam
and 18 to maybe 20 feet long. Then stop the house at
about half way back, so it would be more like a
quad-cab Watervan Jr. Having the aft deck space would
make it nice for crabbing and fishing up here.
It would also still have the size so a couple could
sleep on her as well. Face it you could put up a two
or three man tent on the back deck to sleep in. If you
wanted to keep it as simple as you can.
Your ideas and comments would be welcome.
Blessing Paws
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happened to see a photo of Phil's Watervan. I started
looking around the web to find out more about the
craft. I have found a little about it, and liked what
I have been able to read and see.
When I look at the Watervan I see a craft that would
work well most of the time up here in the San Juan
Islands of Washington State in the USA.
The only thing I would want is it in about 7 foot beam
and 18 to maybe 20 feet long. Then stop the house at
about half way back, so it would be more like a
quad-cab Watervan Jr. Having the aft deck space would
make it nice for crabbing and fishing up here.
It would also still have the size so a couple could
sleep on her as well. Face it you could put up a two
or three man tent on the back deck to sleep in. If you
wanted to keep it as simple as you can.
Your ideas and comments would be welcome.
Blessing Paws
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In the Designs Index for Light Dory there is currently listed:
Type 1. Golden River. Planked round-sided. Early 50's. Few made;
Type 2. PCB's first plywood self built. Early 60's;
Type 2.1. Light Dory. The above Type 2 redrawn for production and
sale by Art Rand. 50 plus made;
Type 3. Light Dory. Gloucester Gull. Plans sold by Texas Dory Man
Captain Jim Orrell. 1000's plans sold. Payson built his first 1967
and later also sold these plans (Small Boats);
Type 5. Light Dory. Double ended; and
Type 6. Light Dory. aka Gloucester Gull. Current Dynamite Payson non
instant plan revised 11/74. PCB's "absolute final version" (quoted
in "How to build the Gloucester Light Dory" by Payson 1982).
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Further, there also is listed this one I don't know:
Light Dory Three man 23' 6" x 4' #555; and
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there is no entry for the:
Stretched Light Dory. Current Instant Boats plan #526, as drawn for
Elrow La Rowe, presumably in the mid to late 80's - a note refers
to "Build the New Instant Boats";
which also seems apart from the title box (maybe an artifact of
photocopying) to be identical to:
Big Dory #526. As in 1991 CSD catalogue. It appears PCB did not name
this design, and passsed it unchanged to Instant Boats after the
demise of the old CSD.
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I propose that Design Index entries be ammended where necessary to:
Type 1. Golden River;
Type 2. First plywood self built that got so much attention;
Type 3. The above redrawn for production by Art Rand;
Type 4. Gloucester Gull. Plan as sold by Captain Jim Orrell, and
Dynamite Payson;
Type 5. Double ended. The "Small Boats" version;
Type 6. aka Gloucester Gull. 11/74 revision for Dynamite. Apparently
the plan labelled by PCB as "GLOUCESTER LIGHT DORY";
Type 7. A co-entry for Big Dory and Stretched Light Dory #526 (or
7.1, and 7.2?);
Type 8. Three Man Light Dory #555; That is, if related to the Gull?
Comments?
Cheers
Graeme
Type 1. Golden River. Planked round-sided. Early 50's. Few made;
Type 2. PCB's first plywood self built. Early 60's;
Type 2.1. Light Dory. The above Type 2 redrawn for production and
sale by Art Rand. 50 plus made;
Type 3. Light Dory. Gloucester Gull. Plans sold by Texas Dory Man
Captain Jim Orrell. 1000's plans sold. Payson built his first 1967
and later also sold these plans (Small Boats);
Type 5. Light Dory. Double ended; and
Type 6. Light Dory. aka Gloucester Gull. Current Dynamite Payson non
instant plan revised 11/74. PCB's "absolute final version" (quoted
in "How to build the Gloucester Light Dory" by Payson 1982).
=====
Further, there also is listed this one I don't know:
Light Dory Three man 23' 6" x 4' #555; and
=====
there is no entry for the:
Stretched Light Dory. Current Instant Boats plan #526, as drawn for
Elrow La Rowe, presumably in the mid to late 80's - a note refers
to "Build the New Instant Boats";
which also seems apart from the title box (maybe an artifact of
photocopying) to be identical to:
Big Dory #526. As in 1991 CSD catalogue. It appears PCB did not name
this design, and passsed it unchanged to Instant Boats after the
demise of the old CSD.
=====
I propose that Design Index entries be ammended where necessary to:
Type 1. Golden River;
Type 2. First plywood self built that got so much attention;
Type 3. The above redrawn for production by Art Rand;
Type 4. Gloucester Gull. Plan as sold by Captain Jim Orrell, and
Dynamite Payson;
Type 5. Double ended. The "Small Boats" version;
Type 6. aka Gloucester Gull. 11/74 revision for Dynamite. Apparently
the plan labelled by PCB as "GLOUCESTER LIGHT DORY";
Type 7. A co-entry for Big Dory and Stretched Light Dory #526 (or
7.1, and 7.2?);
Type 8. Three Man Light Dory #555; That is, if related to the Gull?
Comments?
Cheers
Graeme