OSTAR (Re: new AS29 ?)
Depends how fast, and far you're going. You could do the cruise in
the link below real safe and easy in Birdwatcher, Micro, LM, AS19,
Anhinga, let alone AS29. Much more room for water and stores than
they had.http://tinyurl.com/hep78
http://users.tpg.com.au/kkmiller/jessemartin/jesse_martin1.html#Islan
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Caper Cats that I know of have covered Sydney to NG. Note they
needed a tow back by a prawn trawler mothership as it's a hard beat
all the way back into the SE trades, except in late summer when it's
hot and there's cyclones around.
A good boat for this would be __Class lV OSTAR Racer__ set up to
cruise. Plenty of thin water access, and then it would do well on
the long beat back. Or take a starboard close reach out to Numea,
New Caledonia, then port broad reaching all the trip back. Wow, way
to go!
Anyone else interested in how PCB&F might do a cruising update for
this #543 design? A bit more furniture etc. built in? By the way
it's in bolger_study_plans_only and Bolger Cartoons.
Cheers
Graeme
the link below real safe and easy in Birdwatcher, Micro, LM, AS19,
Anhinga, let alone AS29. Much more room for water and stores than
they had.http://tinyurl.com/hep78
http://users.tpg.com.au/kkmiller/jessemartin/jesse_martin1.html#Islan
d%20text
Caper Cats that I know of have covered Sydney to NG. Note they
needed a tow back by a prawn trawler mothership as it's a hard beat
all the way back into the SE trades, except in late summer when it's
hot and there's cyclones around.
A good boat for this would be __Class lV OSTAR Racer__ set up to
cruise. Plenty of thin water access, and then it would do well on
the long beat back. Or take a starboard close reach out to Numea,
New Caledonia, then port broad reaching all the trip back. Wow, way
to go!
Anyone else interested in how PCB&F might do a cruising update for
this #543 design? A bit more furniture etc. built in? By the way
it's in bolger_study_plans_only and Bolger Cartoons.
Cheers
Graeme
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Chris Curtis <ccurtis@...> wrote:
>
> 2000 plus pounds sounds like a huge amount of stores to me. I
have
> gone biking for weeks with 30 to 40 lbs of stores, and found I
had
> too much. I was really mostly wondering about her
seaworthiness.
> The AS series appears to me to hold much more than an equivelentt
> more conventionally shaped mono-hull.
>
>
> Chris Curtis
>
>
> On Sep 13, 2006, at 7:23 PM, Kristine Bennett wrote:
>
> > The water can be had with a water-maker, and they do
> > take up less room then a number of big water tanks.
> > Also you have to think of how you are going to power
> > the water-maker. Now as for provision and stores...
> > any place you can stuff them.
Chris we were commercially fishing and the season
started first part of May and went to late Sept. But
we went up the end of May and called it quits around
the first of Sept. but a few years we were there tell
the middle of Sept. seeing how the fishing was still
good till then and the weather was getting bad.
We were also fishing Power Troll (hook and line) I
think the last year I went up I made 12 grand and my
share 10% and I worked for it. And the last year I
went up was 85. Trolling is not like a net fishery.
So you can see why we had so much in the line of
stores.
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started first part of May and went to late Sept. But
we went up the end of May and called it quits around
the first of Sept. but a few years we were there tell
the middle of Sept. seeing how the fishing was still
good till then and the weather was getting bad.
We were also fishing Power Troll (hook and line) I
think the last year I went up I made 12 grand and my
share 10% and I worked for it. And the last year I
went up was 85. Trolling is not like a net fishery.
So you can see why we had so much in the line of
stores.
--- Chris Curtis wrote:
> 2000 plus pounds sounds like a huge amount of stores__________________________________________________
> to me. I have
> gone biking for weeks with 30 to 40 lbs of stores,
> and found I had
> too much. I was really mostly wondering about her
> seaworthiness.
> The AS series appears to me to hold much more than
> an eqequivelentt
> more congenitally shaped mono-hull.
>
>
> Chris Curtis
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2000 plus pounds sounds like a huge amount of stores to me. I have
gone biking for weeks with 30 to 40 lbs of stores, and found I had
too much. I was really mostly wondering about her seaworthiness.
The AS series appears to me to hold much more than an equivelentt
more congenitally shaped mono-hull.
Chris Curtis
gone biking for weeks with 30 to 40 lbs of stores, and found I had
too much. I was really mostly wondering about her seaworthiness.
The AS series appears to me to hold much more than an equivelentt
more congenitally shaped mono-hull.
Chris Curtis
On Sep 13, 2006, at 7:23 PM, Kristine Bennett wrote:
> The water can be had with a water-maker, and they do
> take up less room then a number of big water tanks.
> Also you have to think of how you are going to power
> the water-maker. Now as for provision and stores...
> any place you can stuff them.
>
> When I was fishing in Alaska with Dad we would put
> 1500 to 2000 lbs of stores aboard. And then 200 to 300
> Lbs of bait and that was salted or in the frezzer. Yes
> power trolling in SE Alaska is hard work no matter
> what they say! I didn't mind the working, it was the
> run up and back that were boreing as hell after about
> the third trip up!
>
> Blessings Kristine
>
> --- Bruce Hallman <bruce@...> wrote:
>
> > On 9/13/06, Chris Curtis <ccurtis@...>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > an ideal long distance blue-water cruiser.
> >
> > A blue-water cruiser needs to carry tons of
> > provisions and water.
> >
> > The AS-29 has room for a lot, but not that much.
> >
>
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> On one of the Bolger websites (maybe this one) I came across a bolgerdesign
> labled: Class IV OSTAR racerhas a
> To me it looks just like the AS-29 hull (maybe a lower deck), but is
> heavy 6.5 ft keel (board) that allowed it to carry a huge gaff sailwith a
> jib. The specs were for a cheap transatlantic solo racer. I don'tknow if
> it was ever built.came
>
> I can send the PDF if you want it, sorry I can't remember where it
> from. --Chad=================================
It's in the files section of the bolger4photos Yahoo group.
Peter Belenky
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> Marco
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> Subject : Re: [bolger] Re: new AS29 ?
>
> > I to have spent a long time starring at the 29. Love the concept,
> but it is
> > a lot of boat to try to handle with a young crew. (FYI - I saw one
> for sale
> > in the Chesapeake area a few years back.)
> >
> > On one of the Bolger websites (maybe this one) I came across a
> bolger design
> > labled: Class IV OSTAR racer
> > To me it looks just like the AS-29 hull (maybe a lower deck), but is
> has a
> > heavy 6.5 ft keel (board) that allowed it to carry a huge gaff sail
> with a
> > jib. The specs were for a cheap transatlantic solo racer. I don't
> know if
> > it was ever built.
> >
> > I can send the PDF if you want it, sorry I can't remember where it came
> > from. --Chad
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
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> I to have spent a long time starring at the 29. Love the concept, but it is------------------------------------------------------
> a lot of boat to try to handle with a young crew. (FYI - I saw one for sale
> in the Chesapeake area a few years back.)
>
> On one of the Bolger websites (maybe this one) I came across a bolger design
> labled: Class IV OSTAR racer
> To me it looks just like the AS-29 hull (maybe a lower deck), but is has a
> heavy 6.5 ft keel (board) that allowed it to carry a huge gaff sail with a
> jib. The specs were for a cheap transatlantic solo racer. I don't know if
> it was ever built.
>
> I can send the PDF if you want it, sorry I can't remember where it came
> from. --Chad
>
>
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>
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The water can be had with a water-maker, and they do
take up less room then a number of big water tanks.
Also you have to think of how you are going to power
the water-maker. Now as for provision and stores...
any place you can stuff them.
When I was fishing in Alaska with Dad we would put
1500 to 2000 lbs of stores aboard. And then 200 to 300
Lbs of bait and that was salted or in the frezzer. Yes
power trolling in SE Alaska is hard work no matter
what they say! I didn't mind the working, it was the
run up and back that were boreing as hell after about
the third trip up!
Blessings Kristine
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take up less room then a number of big water tanks.
Also you have to think of how you are going to power
the water-maker. Now as for provision and stores...
any place you can stuff them.
When I was fishing in Alaska with Dad we would put
1500 to 2000 lbs of stores aboard. And then 200 to 300
Lbs of bait and that was salted or in the frezzer. Yes
power trolling in SE Alaska is hard work no matter
what they say! I didn't mind the working, it was the
run up and back that were boreing as hell after about
the third trip up!
Blessings Kristine
--- Bruce Hallman <bruce@...> wrote:
> On 9/13/06, Chris Curtis <ccurtis@...>__________________________________________________
> wrote:
>
> > an ideal long distance blue-water cruiser.
>
> A blue-water cruiser needs to carry tons of
> provisions and water.
>
> The AS-29 has room for a lot, but not that much.
>
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I to have spent a long time starring at the 29. Love the concept, but it is
a lot of boat to try to handle with a young crew. (FYI - I saw one for sale
in the Chesapeake area a few years back.)
On one of the Bolger websites (maybe this one) I came across a bolger design
labled: Class IV OSTAR racer
To me it looks just like the AS-29 hull (maybe a lower deck), but is has a
heavy 6.5 ft keel (board) that allowed it to carry a huge gaff sail with a
jib. The specs were for a cheap transatlantic solo racer. I don't know if
it was ever built.
I can send the PDF if you want it, sorry I can't remember where it came
from. --Chad
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a lot of boat to try to handle with a young crew. (FYI - I saw one for sale
in the Chesapeake area a few years back.)
On one of the Bolger websites (maybe this one) I came across a bolger design
labled: Class IV OSTAR racer
To me it looks just like the AS-29 hull (maybe a lower deck), but is has a
heavy 6.5 ft keel (board) that allowed it to carry a huge gaff sail with a
jib. The specs were for a cheap transatlantic solo racer. I don't know if
it was ever built.
I can send the PDF if you want it, sorry I can't remember where it came
from. --Chad
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On 9/13/06, willers32 wrote:
"Wiley Window" for the vent.
http://hallman.org/bolger/WileyWindow.gif
> vents every time we set out. Bolger does not specify a mechanism forMy bet is that Mr. Bolger, if asked, would use a detail like the
> closing the vents. If you build this boat, make sure you engineer a
> way to close off those vents
"Wiley Window" for the vent.
http://hallman.org/bolger/WileyWindow.gif
As an AS-29 owner and current live-aboard, I can make a few comments
on the 29 as a long distance cruiser.
I have lived aboard my AS-29 since May. We find that with two people
living aboard we can stock a week or two worth of groceries and water
aboard. With no refrigeration, it's either stop for ice or go without
cold stuff until we can stop. It would be a serious challenge to
provision the boat for a long ocean voyage.
Also, keep in mind that the 29 is fairly light, only 7500 pounds or
so, with a flat bottom. Not really an ideal boat for big water. We've
now done a couple of hundred miles of Great Lakes sailing and there
are some conditions that get quite uncomfortable in this boat. In a
following sea of 6 feet and up, she gets quite hard to handle. I would
not want to be in a big storm at sea in this boat. The boat would
probably survive; I would be quite ill.
For coastal cruising, provided you can pick your weather, she's a
great boat. We've gone over 1100 miles this season and only had one
bad day.
By the way, the one feature that everyone comments on - the open bow -
has so far caused us no trouble at all. Even beating into 6 foot
waves, she just powers through and the water drains back out. The only
problem we had was one day we forgot to close the vents. Any gear
stowed low in the boat got pretty wet that day as the waves just
sloshed right through the vents while we were busy on deck sailing.
When we went below we found a mess. Live and learn. Now we check the
vents every time we set out. Bolger does not specify a mechanism for
closing the vents. If you build this boat, make sure you engineer a
way to close off those vents when under way.
I read on an earlier post that Bolger is working on an AS-33, an ocean
going version of the 29. I'd love to see that plan when it comes out.
Mike Wagner
aboard "Walküre"
presently moored at Ludington, MI,
headed toward Chicago and points south.
on the 29 as a long distance cruiser.
I have lived aboard my AS-29 since May. We find that with two people
living aboard we can stock a week or two worth of groceries and water
aboard. With no refrigeration, it's either stop for ice or go without
cold stuff until we can stop. It would be a serious challenge to
provision the boat for a long ocean voyage.
Also, keep in mind that the 29 is fairly light, only 7500 pounds or
so, with a flat bottom. Not really an ideal boat for big water. We've
now done a couple of hundred miles of Great Lakes sailing and there
are some conditions that get quite uncomfortable in this boat. In a
following sea of 6 feet and up, she gets quite hard to handle. I would
not want to be in a big storm at sea in this boat. The boat would
probably survive; I would be quite ill.
For coastal cruising, provided you can pick your weather, she's a
great boat. We've gone over 1100 miles this season and only had one
bad day.
By the way, the one feature that everyone comments on - the open bow -
has so far caused us no trouble at all. Even beating into 6 foot
waves, she just powers through and the water drains back out. The only
problem we had was one day we forgot to close the vents. Any gear
stowed low in the boat got pretty wet that day as the waves just
sloshed right through the vents while we were busy on deck sailing.
When we went below we found a mess. Live and learn. Now we check the
vents every time we set out. Bolger does not specify a mechanism for
closing the vents. If you build this boat, make sure you engineer a
way to close off those vents when under way.
I read on an earlier post that Bolger is working on an AS-33, an ocean
going version of the 29. I'd love to see that plan when it comes out.
Mike Wagner
aboard "Walküre"
presently moored at Ludington, MI,
headed toward Chicago and points south.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Chris Curtis <ccurtis@...> wrote:
>
> I find the as29 a most fascinating boat. So ugly and functional, it
> simply beautiful. If I had the time (and the money) I'd build one
> for just those reasons. I had read somewhere that the as29 was not
> an ideal long distance blue-water cruiser. I would have thought it
> would be. Can anyone enlighten me on this?
>
>
On 9/13/06, Chris Curtis <ccurtis@...> wrote:
The AS-29 has room for a lot, but not that much.
> an ideal long distance blue-water cruiser.A blue-water cruiser needs to carry tons of provisions and water.
The AS-29 has room for a lot, but not that much.
I find the as29 a most fascinating boat. So ugly and functional, it
simply beautiful. If I had the time (and the money) I'd build one
for just those reasons. I had read somewhere that the as29 was not
an ideal long distance blue-water cruiser. I would have thought it
would be. Can anyone enlighten me on this?
Chris Curtis
Own a Venture 17
1/2 done on a 9.5' sailing pram.
Planning a very fast personal tri
simply beautiful. If I had the time (and the money) I'd build one
for just those reasons. I had read somewhere that the as29 was not
an ideal long distance blue-water cruiser. I would have thought it
would be. Can anyone enlighten me on this?
Chris Curtis
Own a Venture 17
1/2 done on a 9.5' sailing pram.
Planning a very fast personal tri
On Sep 13, 2006, at 7:48 AM, Bruce Hallman wrote:
> On 9/13/06, dompandora <hagan@...> wrote:
>
> > ..all likely good ideas.
>
> I agree, the upgrade, to AS-29 is a marked improvement.
>
> By the way, the prices listed in the database are variable.
> Typically, PB&F have a variable price, typically lower for a 'front
> shelf' design just after an article gets printed for in a magazine,
> and a little bit more for a 'back shelf' plan.
>
> Bear in mind, AS-29 is a really big building project. You are smart
> to try to buy one, though I bet that there are less than a couple
> dozen in the world.
>
>
Chris Curtis
Sandpoint Computers
Office 208-265-1608
Cell 208-610-3062
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On 9/13/06, dompandora <hagan@...> wrote:
By the way, the prices listed in the database are variable.
Typically, PB&F have a variable price, typically lower for a 'front
shelf' design just after an article gets printed for in a magazine,
and a little bit more for a 'back shelf' plan.
Bear in mind, AS-29 is a really big building project. You are smart
to try to buy one, though I bet that there are less than a couple
dozen in the world.
> ..all likely good ideas.I agree, the upgrade, to AS-29 is a marked improvement.
By the way, the prices listed in the database are variable.
Typically, PB&F have a variable price, typically lower for a 'front
shelf' design just after an article gets printed for in a magazine,
and a little bit more for a 'back shelf' plan.
Bear in mind, AS-29 is a really big building project. You are smart
to try to buy one, though I bet that there are less than a couple
dozen in the world.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "marcoviniciomasoni" <marcoviniciomasoni@...> wrote:
plans for the steel bottom sheathing
raising the doghouse, new doghouse over head and deck reinforcement
raising the sail a foot, adding track to doghouse
schemes for a cockpit shelter
plans for bow bulb shape
..all likely good ideas.
Jim Hagan
>The revision includes:
> I am seriously thinking about to build an AS29 with other friends. in
> the section "database," in the chapter "[bolger design list]" it is
> written that the AS29's plans cost 400 Dollars+ 100 for the recent
> revisions.
> Does anybody know what are these recent revisions?.
> Does anybody have the pianos to sell without have built the boat?
> Marco
>
plans for the steel bottom sheathing
raising the doghouse, new doghouse over head and deck reinforcement
raising the sail a foot, adding track to doghouse
schemes for a cockpit shelter
plans for bow bulb shape
..all likely good ideas.
Jim Hagan
Pardon: "pianos" is "plans" in my precedent e-mail.In italian pianoforte, plans, project, have the same name: "piano", so I get a mistake.
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Date : Wed, 13 Sep 2006 08:30:17 -0000
Subject : [bolger] new AS29 ?
> I am seriously thinking about to build an AS29 with other friends. in
> the section "database," in the chapter "[bolger design list]" it is
> written that the AS29's plans cost 400 Dollars+ 100 for the recent
> revisions.
> Does anybody know what are these recent revisions?.
> Does anybody have the pianos to sell without have built the boat?
> Marco
>
>
>
>
I am seriously thinking about to build an AS29 with other friends. in
the section "database," in the chapter "[bolger design list]" it is
written that the AS29's plans cost 400 Dollars+ 100 for the recent
revisions.
Does anybody know what are these recent revisions?.
Does anybody have the pianos to sell without have built the boat?
Marco
the section "database," in the chapter "[bolger design list]" it is
written that the AS29's plans cost 400 Dollars+ 100 for the recent
revisions.
Does anybody know what are these recent revisions?.
Does anybody have the pianos to sell without have built the boat?
Marco