Re: [bolger] Re: Casual sailing dinghy
Sooner or later I am going to have to build a boat that uses the
balanced lug, Gary sent me some pictures of Le Dulcimer's reefing system
and the whole set up just looks nice, efficient and easy to handle.
HJ
adventures_in_astrophotography wrote:
balanced lug, Gary sent me some pictures of Le Dulcimer's reefing system
and the whole set up just looks nice, efficient and easy to handle.
HJ
adventures_in_astrophotography wrote:
> Hi Harry,
>
>
>> I meant balanced lug anyway.
>>
>
> I actually thought about this myself at one time. The sail area of
> this design is the same as the mainsail on a Caledonia Yawl (lug
> version), so you could order a well-known sail or kit. It's a nice
> thought, but I'm going to go with the gaff sail as drawn.
>
> Jon Kolb
> www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
>
>
Hi Harry,
this design is the same as the mainsail on a Caledonia Yawl (lug
version), so you could order a well-known sail or kit. It's a nice
thought, but I'm going to go with the gaff sail as drawn.
Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
> I meant balanced lug anyway.I actually thought about this myself at one time. The sail area of
this design is the same as the mainsail on a Caledonia Yawl (lug
version), so you could order a well-known sail or kit. It's a nice
thought, but I'm going to go with the gaff sail as drawn.
Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
I was off the island for a parts run and while I was
off I went to the library. They did have a copy of 30
odd boats. I paged through the book and found a number
of boats that I really liked both power and sail.
I'm not a sailer and have never really had to chance
to try it. So I know nothing about the diffrent sail
rigs. But what Phil does with the inside space is just
great and I look at that. You are not sailing all the
time. You have to think about what you are going to do
when you get to the harbor at night. Or the weather is
just to bad to be out in! At least up the inside
passage to Alaska from the Puget Sound area.
On one of the fishing boats I worked on you had two
bunks below and the wheel house and that has the
gally, dinenett, helm and head in it. So there is not
a lot of room for two people to call home. Some
Pick-up campers have more room to live in then we had
on the boat.
So one thing I look at is the living spaces. In the
book he had one sail boat that was just at 30 feet or
just over. It had just a sweet layout both on deck and
below. I could see calling it home for a summer of
crusing. It had standing head room in the cabin looked
like it fit the nich well.
Sorry I don't remember the name or design number. So
anyone that has never seen 30 Odd Boats would know
nothing about the craft. Along with 30 odd other
boats!
It would be nice to have a list of Phils work with
photos and/or drawings of them one could go look at.
So they could say I want to build that one.
Just my rambling ideas as the norm!
Blessings Kristine
__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
http://mail.yahoo.com
off I went to the library. They did have a copy of 30
odd boats. I paged through the book and found a number
of boats that I really liked both power and sail.
I'm not a sailer and have never really had to chance
to try it. So I know nothing about the diffrent sail
rigs. But what Phil does with the inside space is just
great and I look at that. You are not sailing all the
time. You have to think about what you are going to do
when you get to the harbor at night. Or the weather is
just to bad to be out in! At least up the inside
passage to Alaska from the Puget Sound area.
On one of the fishing boats I worked on you had two
bunks below and the wheel house and that has the
gally, dinenett, helm and head in it. So there is not
a lot of room for two people to call home. Some
Pick-up campers have more room to live in then we had
on the boat.
So one thing I look at is the living spaces. In the
book he had one sail boat that was just at 30 feet or
just over. It had just a sweet layout both on deck and
below. I could see calling it home for a summer of
crusing. It had standing head room in the cabin looked
like it fit the nich well.
Sorry I don't remember the name or design number. So
anyone that has never seen 30 Odd Boats would know
nothing about the craft. Along with 30 odd other
boats!
It would be nice to have a list of Phils work with
photos and/or drawings of them one could go look at.
So they could say I want to build that one.
Just my rambling ideas as the norm!
Blessings Kristine
__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
http://mail.yahoo.com
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "adventures_in_astrophotography"
<jon@...> wrote:
Beauty! Two new database design index entries from this article:
1) Bolger Proa-20 #664;
2) Canard, now has a published number: #440
I'm really excited by the Proa20 #664. I wondered if PCB&F would
ever, ever, get to update the Minimal Proa in Chapter 24, BWAOM. No
neeed to be prudent now, as PCB advises in the author's note at the
chapter end, I can "inquire, what, if anything, became of the idea".
It's done.
PCB didn't seem too sure about a lot of things on MP, even the
dimensions. There is the Jim Michalak take on MP, "Gizmo", which
has apparently never been built. Then the "Canard" sail has been
variously proa tested, but apparently without success. Now, however
it looks as though MP might be a real goer as Proa20. Seems the
lateral resistance from bow rudder steering of a dual rudder system
is replaced by pivoting leeboard of some kind, and the balestrom
rig is also revised. I want to see this one!
Graeme
<jon@...> wrote:
>...The MAIB articles, including all the new studies (like Proa60) ...
Beauty! Two new database design index entries from this article:
1) Bolger Proa-20 #664;
2) Canard, now has a published number: #440
I'm really excited by the Proa20 #664. I wondered if PCB&F would
ever, ever, get to update the Minimal Proa in Chapter 24, BWAOM. No
neeed to be prudent now, as PCB advises in the author's note at the
chapter end, I can "inquire, what, if anything, became of the idea".
It's done.
PCB didn't seem too sure about a lot of things on MP, even the
dimensions. There is the Jim Michalak take on MP, "Gizmo", which
has apparently never been built. Then the "Canard" sail has been
variously proa tested, but apparently without success. Now, however
it looks as though MP might be a real goer as Proa20. Seems the
lateral resistance from bow rudder steering of a dual rudder system
is replaced by pivoting leeboard of some kind, and the balestrom
rig is also revised. I want to see this one!
Graeme
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "gbship" <gbship@...> wrote:
OSTAR concept for William Wallace, in group files somewhere.
Beautiful. Only for racing, unless also considered sculpture.
Gary, was "Le Dulci-mer" the OSTAR design of the "Gypsy" type, or a
precursor?
Graeme
>There are two OSTAR designs. ...In addition is the two-masted, Ljungstrom rigged, 59' x 11' x 10',
OSTAR concept for William Wallace, in group files somewhere.
Beautiful. Only for racing, unless also considered sculpture.
Gary, was "Le Dulci-mer" the OSTAR design of the "Gypsy" type, or a
precursor?
Graeme
Paul,
Payson still sells that one new at instantboats.com. I just checked... $25. Good book.
Sincerely,
Gene T.
"A house ashore is but a boat, so poorly
built it will not float ---- "
----- Original Message ----
From: Paul <p_hardy@...>
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 8:26:18 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Casual sailing dinghy
I have collected a set of Bolger's design books just by keeping
ongoing searches going on both ebay and amazon. I am both cheap and
patient as well as determined so it took me a while but I have all
the design books.
I still want to get a copy of 103 rigs, but it hasn't climbed to the
top of my priority list yet
Paul H.
Payson still sells that one new at instantboats.com. I just checked... $25. Good book.
Sincerely,
Gene T.
"A house ashore is but a boat, so poorly
built it will not float ---- "
----- Original Message ----
From: Paul <p_hardy@...>
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 8:26:18 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Casual sailing dinghy
I have collected a set of Bolger's design books just by keeping
ongoing searches going on both ebay and amazon. I am both cheap and
patient as well as determined so it took me a while but I have all
the design books.
I still want to get a copy of 103 rigs, but it hasn't climbed to the
top of my priority list yet
Paul H.
--- In bolger@yahoogroups. com, Harry James <welshman@.. .> wrote:
>
> Bruce
>
> This brings me back to a recurring thread on this list, how can
> individuals get their hands on a lot of Bolger's work that has
been
> published but is no longer available. As anyone who has read his
books
> knows, his writing is of the same quality as his unique thinking,
ie
> inspired. I just did a bookfinder search, the first person up
could get
> a set of the four out of print design books for $175. the second
for
> around $300 after that you have to be satisfied with only three as
the
> supply of Different Boats would be used up.
>
> The Small Boat Journal Cartoons are another story, many appeared
in BWOM
> but many did not. Those articles are lost to any but us few that
have
> kept our collection of SBJ. God only knows where the copyrights
are held
> for them. A side note, those old SBJ's aren't just Bolger
cartoons, that
> magazine can stand on its own with out them and is a great re read
on
> long winters nights.
>
> So you individuals that are communicating with Bolger, has he ever
> expressed an interest of setting those books up with an on demand
> publisher? They sales wouldn't be in the thousands but it would be
neat
> for those who stumble across Bolger to have the opportunity to
read
> them, they are really good.
>
> Anybody else got any ideas?
>
> HJ
>
> Bruce Hallman wrote:
> >>> Cartoon 40.
> >>>
> >
> > Here are my notes about Cartoon 40
> >
> > http://hallman. org/SBJ/64/
> >
> > http://hallman. org/SBJ/64/ iso.gif
> >
> >
> >
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
On 9/14/06, Mike Stockstill <mkstocks@...> wrote:
share? Pleeeese?
>Mike, if we beg, you must have a cartoon or preliminary draft so
> That would be me.
>
> :)
>
> Mike
share? Pleeeese?
I have collected a set of Bolger's design books just by keeping
ongoing searches going on both ebay and amazon. I am both cheap and
patient as well as determined so it took me a while but I have all
the design books.
I still want to get a copy of 103 rigs, but it hasn't climbed to the
top of my priority list yet
Paul H.
ongoing searches going on both ebay and amazon. I am both cheap and
patient as well as determined so it took me a while but I have all
the design books.
I still want to get a copy of 103 rigs, but it hasn't climbed to the
top of my priority list yet
Paul H.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
>
> Bruce
>
> This brings me back to a recurring thread on this list, how can
> individuals get their hands on a lot of Bolger's work that has
been
> published but is no longer available. As anyone who has read his
books
> knows, his writing is of the same quality as his unique thinking,
ie
> inspired. I just did a bookfinder search, the first person up
could get
> a set of the four out of print design books for $175. the second
for
> around $300 after that you have to be satisfied with only three as
the
> supply of Different Boats would be used up.
>
> The Small Boat Journal Cartoons are another story, many appeared
in BWOM
> but many did not. Those articles are lost to any but us few that
have
> kept our collection of SBJ. God only knows where the copyrights
are held
> for them. A side note, those old SBJ's aren't just Bolger
cartoons, that
> magazine can stand on its own with out them and is a great re read
on
> long winters nights.
>
> So you individuals that are communicating with Bolger, has he ever
> expressed an interest of setting those books up with an on demand
> publisher? They sales wouldn't be in the thousands but it would be
neat
> for those who stumble across Bolger to have the opportunity to
read
> them, they are really good.
>
> Anybody else got any ideas?
>
> HJ
>
> Bruce Hallman wrote:
> >>> Cartoon 40.
> >>>
> >
> > Here are my notes about Cartoon 40
> >
> >http://hallman.org/SBJ/64/
> >
> >http://hallman.org/SBJ/64/iso.gif
> >
> >
> >
>
I meant balanced lug anyway.
HJ
gbship wrote:
HJ
gbship wrote:
> There are two OSTAR designs. One is sort of a stripped down AS29,
> although I think it preceded the AS29. Le Dulci-Mer is close to a
> Gypsy doubled in size. There are drawings of both on the Bolger
> Cartoons site. Of the two, Le Dulci-Mer has more headroom but overall
> less accommodations.
>
> I think a standing lug would work on the Casual Day Sailer (I'm a fan
> if balanced luggers myself). It might require a slight relocation of
> the mast . . .
>
> Gary
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
>
>> Gary
>>
>> Isn't LeDulcimer a version of the OSTAR design?
>>
>> Would the standing lug be appropriate for the Casual Sailing Dinghy?
>>
>> HJ
>>
>>
There are two OSTAR designs. One is sort of a stripped down AS29,
although I think it preceded the AS29. Le Dulci-Mer is close to a
Gypsy doubled in size. There are drawings of both on the Bolger
Cartoons site. Of the two, Le Dulci-Mer has more headroom but overall
less accommodations.
I think a standing lug would work on the Casual Day Sailer (I'm a fan
if balanced luggers myself). It might require a slight relocation of
the mast . . .
Gary
although I think it preceded the AS29. Le Dulci-Mer is close to a
Gypsy doubled in size. There are drawings of both on the Bolger
Cartoons site. Of the two, Le Dulci-Mer has more headroom but overall
less accommodations.
I think a standing lug would work on the Casual Day Sailer (I'm a fan
if balanced luggers myself). It might require a slight relocation of
the mast . . .
Gary
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
>
> Gary
>
> Isn't LeDulcimer a version of the OSTAR design?
>
> Would the standing lug be appropriate for the Casual Sailing Dinghy?
>
> HJ
>
> gbship wrote:
> > Jon:
> > Great to see that someone is going to build this boat. I have two
> > suggestions. 1) consider usual water balast tanks under the
cockpit
> > floorboards instead of the sand bag ballast; and 2) put the mast
in a
> > tabernacle, unless it will spend most of its time in the water.
The
> > mast as designed is a real chore to step and unstep and is a
> > disincentive to use the boat. I eventually replaced the wooden
mast,
> > with Bolger's input, with an aluminum tube (type 6160 as I
recall)
> > set in an all-above-deck tabernacle (that is, the mast was
entirely
> > above deck) and it made the boat much nicer to use. I think a 2
hp
> > motor will push it along very nicely; I had an electric trolling
> > motor in an off center mount.
> >
> > When you get it in the water, you'll love it. It's probably not
the
> > best for high performance speed because of the large bottom
rocker,
> > but it gives a cadillac ride and it feels fast and responsive.
It's
> > steady on course yet turns on a dime and maintains its momentum
> > through a tack. There was just something about the way she went
> > through the water and handled that said "I am a thoroughbred
boat."
> > With the possible exception of Bolger's Spartina, it's the best
> > handling boat I've been on.
> >
> > If you're interested, I can make you a deal on my old sail. It
was
> > made from a SailRite kit. The sewing isn't the best (I'm much
better
> > now) but it's very serviceable and never gave me problems. Too
bad
> > you're not closer to Florida, I still have the mast, gaff, boom,
> > centerboard and rudder . . .
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >
> >
>
> #666 I60 is "off the board" according to Phil. Perhaps Susan canI wish I could. I haven't heard from them any time in a long while,
> comment further.
but this is exciting news if it means completion rather than being set
aside to finish other work.
> As for #668 Auriga...By any chance, were you planning to name her dink "Sagitta?"
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
Gary
Isn't LeDulcimer a version of the OSTAR design?
Would the standing lug be appropriate for the Casual Sailing Dinghy?
HJ
gbship wrote:
Isn't LeDulcimer a version of the OSTAR design?
Would the standing lug be appropriate for the Casual Sailing Dinghy?
HJ
gbship wrote:
> Jon:
> Great to see that someone is going to build this boat. I have two
> suggestions. 1) consider usual water balast tanks under the cockpit
> floorboards instead of the sand bag ballast; and 2) put the mast in a
> tabernacle, unless it will spend most of its time in the water. The
> mast as designed is a real chore to step and unstep and is a
> disincentive to use the boat. I eventually replaced the wooden mast,
> with Bolger's input, with an aluminum tube (type 6160 as I recall)
> set in an all-above-deck tabernacle (that is, the mast was entirely
> above deck) and it made the boat much nicer to use. I think a 2 hp
> motor will push it along very nicely; I had an electric trolling
> motor in an off center mount.
>
> When you get it in the water, you'll love it. It's probably not the
> best for high performance speed because of the large bottom rocker,
> but it gives a cadillac ride and it feels fast and responsive. It's
> steady on course yet turns on a dime and maintains its momentum
> through a tack. There was just something about the way she went
> through the water and handled that said "I am a thoroughbred boat."
> With the possible exception of Bolger's Spartina, it's the best
> handling boat I've been on.
>
> If you're interested, I can make you a deal on my old sail. It was
> made from a SailRite kit. The sewing isn't the best (I'm much better
> now) but it's very serviceable and never gave me problems. Too bad
> you're not closer to Florida, I still have the mast, gaff, boom,
> centerboard and rudder . . .
>
> Gary
>
>
>
Bruce
This brings me back to a recurring thread on this list, how can
individuals get their hands on a lot of Bolger's work that has been
published but is no longer available. As anyone who has read his books
knows, his writing is of the same quality as his unique thinking, ie
inspired. I just did a bookfinder search, the first person up could get
a set of the four out of print design books for $175. the second for
around $300 after that you have to be satisfied with only three as the
supply of Different Boats would be used up.
The Small Boat Journal Cartoons are another story, many appeared in BWOM
but many did not. Those articles are lost to any but us few that have
kept our collection of SBJ. God only knows where the copyrights are held
for them. A side note, those old SBJ's aren't just Bolger cartoons, that
magazine can stand on its own with out them and is a great re read on
long winters nights.
So you individuals that are communicating with Bolger, has he ever
expressed an interest of setting those books up with an on demand
publisher? They sales wouldn't be in the thousands but it would be neat
for those who stumble across Bolger to have the opportunity to read
them, they are really good.
Anybody else got any ideas?
HJ
Bruce Hallman wrote:
This brings me back to a recurring thread on this list, how can
individuals get their hands on a lot of Bolger's work that has been
published but is no longer available. As anyone who has read his books
knows, his writing is of the same quality as his unique thinking, ie
inspired. I just did a bookfinder search, the first person up could get
a set of the four out of print design books for $175. the second for
around $300 after that you have to be satisfied with only three as the
supply of Different Boats would be used up.
The Small Boat Journal Cartoons are another story, many appeared in BWOM
but many did not. Those articles are lost to any but us few that have
kept our collection of SBJ. God only knows where the copyrights are held
for them. A side note, those old SBJ's aren't just Bolger cartoons, that
magazine can stand on its own with out them and is a great re read on
long winters nights.
So you individuals that are communicating with Bolger, has he ever
expressed an interest of setting those books up with an on demand
publisher? They sales wouldn't be in the thousands but it would be neat
for those who stumble across Bolger to have the opportunity to read
them, they are really good.
Anybody else got any ideas?
HJ
Bruce Hallman wrote:
>>> Cartoon 40.
>>>
>
> Here are my notes about Cartoon 40
>
>http://hallman.org/SBJ/64/
>
>http://hallman.org/SBJ/64/iso.gif
>
>
>
Hi Mike,
was writing earlier. Can you tell us anything about AS34? How about
what led you to change your plans regarding Shine? Heck, how about
more on what Shine was to begin with?
Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
> That would be me.Yes, of course it is. Forgive me for not recalling your name while I
was writing earlier. Can you tell us anything about AS34? How about
what led you to change your plans regarding Shine? Heck, how about
more on what Shine was to begin with?
Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
Thanks for the update, Jon. I'd like to see the final keel design of
the I-60, since I built the prototype for the refit of my 30-footer.
I'm glad PB&F are finished with the USN contract. They had called me
18-24 months ago on another matter and said the same thing, that it
was taking up all their time but they felt compelled to follow
through on it. I'm glad they're talking about a bit about it; like
Jon, I was uncertain how much to pass along.
You're going to have some real fun in the next couple years . . .
Gary
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "adventures_in_astrophotography"
<jon@...> wrote:
the I-60, since I built the prototype for the refit of my 30-footer.
I'm glad PB&F are finished with the USN contract. They had called me
18-24 months ago on another matter and said the same thing, that it
was taking up all their time but they felt compelled to follow
through on it. I'm glad they're talking about a bit about it; like
Jon, I was uncertain how much to pass along.
You're going to have some real fun in the next couple years . . .
Gary
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "adventures_in_astrophotography"
<jon@...> wrote:
>5-
> The night of Sunday 03 Sept, out of the blue, Phil called us at
> home. Since we've had no communication from them regarding our now
> 1/2 year old commission in almost a year, it was quite a pleasantto
> surprise. I'll try to summarize the news.
>
> The shrinking foam issue I wrote about last October was addressed.
> Phil said he contacted a trusted technical confidant who says not
> worry about it, that the epoxy will hold the foam even if it tries
> shrink slightly. I mentioned that my test samples had allstabilized
> at 1/16th inch under their original thickness and had not beenI'm
> affected by moving them to an elevation 2000 feet lower than our
> shop. I suspect outgassing is the culprit, and will allow foam to
> sit for a long time before using it in the future.
>
> The big distraction from commissions, which turns out to be much
> bigger than I had thought, and which I and others were asked not to
> discuss when it started, is now temporarily out of their hands.
> not sure if I'm still not supposed to discuss it, but they area
> telling their friends and clients about it. All I'll say is that
> it's an unclassified effort for the USN and should be published in
> technical paper soon. We have been promised a copy, which I willhave
> share here if I can get it electronically.
>
> This effort has consumed 3-1/2 years and apparently both of them
> suffered from unspecified health issues from the stress. They alsoare
> acknowledged that they have almost completely ignored their
> commission clients like us, profusely apologized, and claim they
> now able to take back up the commission work they have beenin
> neglecting. When I mentioned some good, long rows I've had in my
> Long Dory Venusian this season, along with a couple of good sails
> the Light Schooner Meteor, it seemed to cheer Phil up (especiallythe
> rowing).been
>
> The MAIB articles, including all the new studies (like Proa 60) and
> updates to older designs (like BWII) were done to "keep some
> continuity" in their lives, although as this group knows, it has
> a source of frustration for clients like me to see serious workdone
> on projects other than paid commissions.for
>
> They asked if we are still "in," as apparently some clients have
> given up waiting, and of course our answer was a resounding "yes."
> There are still two boats ahead of our Auriga, but they are not the
> same two as in the past. The first is a "single screw powerboat"
> a client in the SF Bay area (IIRC). This one sounded like a goldprojected
> plater, but otherwise not technically challenging. It was
> to be completed and "out the door" in the "next couple of weeks."I
> didn't get any other information on this boat, but if a memberknows
> more, I'm sure we'd all like to hear about it.of
>
> #666 I60 is "off the board" according to Phil. Perhaps Susan can
> comment further.
>
> #667 Shine is also apparently shelved, and AS34 is now next ahead
> our boat, for the same client as Shine. Perhaps that member willin
> also comment for us. We are to get a sketch of this boat sometime
> the near future, if PB&F remember to send it.did
>
> As for #668 Auriga, we have been asked to resend some sketches I
> regarding the interior layout and exterior profile, and to collectconstructing "small
> our thoughts on any other final changes in preparation for a
> conference to kick off the remaining effort to complete the plans.
> Susanne indicated that we might be able to start
> pieces in a heated space" this winter. You can imagine how
> tantalizing that sounded!
>
> As part of "anything we can do to make up for how you've been
> treated," Phil sent me the plans (such as they are) for my planned
> winter project, Casual Sailing Dinghy (Cartoon 40). If they really
> finish Auriga this winter, I expect to start amassing materials and
> build the gantries next spring, then get some site preparation done
> to allow them to roll smoothly outdoors. Full-blown construction
> probably would not start until next summer, but of course it all
> depends on the plans.
>
> Jon Kolb
> www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index
>
Jon:
Great to see that someone is going to build this boat. I have two
suggestions. 1) consider usual water balast tanks under the cockpit
floorboards instead of the sand bag ballast; and 2) put the mast in a
tabernacle, unless it will spend most of its time in the water. The
mast as designed is a real chore to step and unstep and is a
disincentive to use the boat. I eventually replaced the wooden mast,
with Bolger's input, with an aluminum tube (type 6160 as I recall)
set in an all-above-deck tabernacle (that is, the mast was entirely
above deck) and it made the boat much nicer to use. I think a 2 hp
motor will push it along very nicely; I had an electric trolling
motor in an off center mount.
When you get it in the water, you'll love it. It's probably not the
best for high performance speed because of the large bottom rocker,
but it gives a cadillac ride and it feels fast and responsive. It's
steady on course yet turns on a dime and maintains its momentum
through a tack. There was just something about the way she went
through the water and handled that said "I am a thoroughbred boat."
With the possible exception of Bolger's Spartina, it's the best
handling boat I've been on.
If you're interested, I can make you a deal on my old sail. It was
made from a SailRite kit. The sewing isn't the best (I'm much better
now) but it's very serviceable and never gave me problems. Too bad
you're not closer to Florida, I still have the mast, gaff, boom,
centerboard and rudder . . .
Gary
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "adventures_in_astrophotography"
<jon@...> wrote:
Great to see that someone is going to build this boat. I have two
suggestions. 1) consider usual water balast tanks under the cockpit
floorboards instead of the sand bag ballast; and 2) put the mast in a
tabernacle, unless it will spend most of its time in the water. The
mast as designed is a real chore to step and unstep and is a
disincentive to use the boat. I eventually replaced the wooden mast,
with Bolger's input, with an aluminum tube (type 6160 as I recall)
set in an all-above-deck tabernacle (that is, the mast was entirely
above deck) and it made the boat much nicer to use. I think a 2 hp
motor will push it along very nicely; I had an electric trolling
motor in an off center mount.
When you get it in the water, you'll love it. It's probably not the
best for high performance speed because of the large bottom rocker,
but it gives a cadillac ride and it feels fast and responsive. It's
steady on course yet turns on a dime and maintains its momentum
through a tack. There was just something about the way she went
through the water and handled that said "I am a thoroughbred boat."
With the possible exception of Bolger's Spartina, it's the best
handling boat I've been on.
If you're interested, I can make you a deal on my old sail. It was
made from a SailRite kit. The sewing isn't the best (I'm much better
now) but it's very serviceable and never gave me problems. Too bad
you're not closer to Florida, I still have the mast, gaff, boom,
centerboard and rudder . . .
Gary
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "adventures_in_astrophotography"
<jon@...> wrote:
>going
> Hi Harry,
>
> > I got out my collection of SBJ's and found Cartoon 40. Are you
> tofor
> > loft it or put it into hulls or freeship and get the panel shapes
> > instant stitch and glue?another
>
> I'm going to loft it at 125% length, per Phil's suggestion to
> SBJ reader some time after the cartoon was published. This is thesame
> length that Gary Blankenship built his, 19-5". I will alsoprobably
> try to fit a 2hp Honda somewhere to allow us to get off the lake ina
> hurry when the afternoon armageddon suddenly appears.
>
> Jon Kolb
> www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
>
Similar to the way my offspring dole out information. Must have been a joke! 8^D
Sincerely,
Gene T.
"A house ashore is but a boat, so poorly
built it will not float ---- "
----- Original Message ----
From: Mike Stockstill <mkstocks@...>
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:56:26 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] News from PB&F
That would be me.
:)
Mike
Sincerely,
Gene T.
"A house ashore is but a boat, so poorly
built it will not float ---- "
----- Original Message ----
From: Mike Stockstill <mkstocks@...>
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:56:26 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] News from PB&F
That would be me.
:)
Mike
On Sep 14, 2006, at 12:15 PM, adventures_in_ astrophotography wrote:
>
> #667 Shine is also apparently shelved, and AS34 is now next ahead of
> our boat, for the same client as Shine. Perhaps that member will
> also comment for us. We are to get a sketch of this boat sometime in
> the near future, if PB&F remember to send it.
>
>
>
Mike Stockstill
mkstocks@bellsouth. net
http://mkstocks. tripod.com/
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
On 9/14/06, Mike Stockstill <mkstocks@...> wrote:
Fill us in on the details, all of them!
>Cute Mike :)
> That would be me.
>
> :)
>
> Mike
Fill us in on the details, all of them!
That would be me.
:)
Mike
:)
Mike
On Sep 14, 2006, at 12:15 PM, adventures_in_astrophotography wrote:
>
> #667 Shine is also apparently shelved, and AS34 is now next ahead of
> our boat, for the same client as Shine. Perhaps that member will
> also comment for us. We are to get a sketch of this boat sometime in
> the near future, if PB&F remember to send it.
>
>
>
Mike Stockstill
mkstocks@...
http://mkstocks.tripod.com/
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> Cartoon 40.Here are my notes about Cartoon 40
http://hallman.org/SBJ/64/
http://hallman.org/SBJ/64/iso.gif
Hi Harry,
SBJ reader some time after the cartoon was published. This is the same
length that Gary Blankenship built his, 19-5". I will also probably
try to fit a 2hp Honda somewhere to allow us to get off the lake in a
hurry when the afternoon armageddon suddenly appears.
Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
> I got out my collection of SBJ's and found Cartoon 40. Are you goingto
> loft it or put it into hulls or freeship and get the panel shapes forI'm going to loft it at 125% length, per Phil's suggestion to another
> instant stitch and glue?
SBJ reader some time after the cartoon was published. This is the same
length that Gary Blankenship built his, 19-5". I will also probably
try to fit a 2hp Honda somewhere to allow us to get off the lake in a
hurry when the afternoon armageddon suddenly appears.
Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
I got out my collection of SBJ's and found Cartoon 40. Are you going to
loft it or put it into hulls or freeship and get the panel shapes for
instant stitch and glue?
HJ
loft it or put it into hulls or freeship and get the panel shapes for
instant stitch and glue?
HJ
>
> As part of "anything we can do to make up for how you've been
> treated," Phil sent me the plans (such as they are) for my planned
> winter project, Casual Sailing Dinghy (Cartoon 40). If they really
> finish Auriga this winter, I expect to start amassing materials and
> build the gantries next spring, then get some site preparation done
> to allow them to roll smoothly outdoors. Full-blown construction
> probably would not start until next summer, but of course it all
> depends on the plans.
>
> Jon Kolb
> www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index
>
>
>
>
Jon
Casual sailing dinghy? Thats a new one. Thanks for the post.
HJ
adventures_in_astrophotography wrote:
Casual sailing dinghy? Thats a new one. Thanks for the post.
HJ
adventures_in_astrophotography wrote:
> The night of Sunday 03 Sept, out of the blue, Phil called us at
> home. Since we've had no communication from them regarding our now 5-
> 1/2 year old commission in almost a year, it was quite a pleasant
> surprise. I'll try to summarize the news.
>
> The shrinking foam issue I wrote about last October was addressed.
> Phil said he contacted a trusted technical confidant who says not
> worry about it, that the epoxy will hold the foam even if it tries to
> shrink slightly. I mentioned that my test samples had all stabilized
> at 1/16th inch under their original thickness and had not been
> affected by moving them to an elevation 2000 feet lower than our
> shop. I suspect outgassing is the culprit, and will allow foam to
> sit for a long time before using it in the future.
>
> The big distraction from commissions, which turns out to be much
> bigger than I had thought, and which I and others were asked not to
> discuss when it started, is now temporarily out of their hands. I'm
> not sure if I'm still not supposed to discuss it, but they are
> telling their friends and clients about it. All I'll say is that
> it's an unclassified effort for the USN and should be published in a
> technical paper soon. We have been promised a copy, which I will
> share here if I can get it electronically.
>
> This effort has consumed 3-1/2 years and apparently both of them have
> suffered from unspecified health issues from the stress. They also
> acknowledged that they have almost completely ignored their
> commission clients like us, profusely apologized, and claim they are
> now able to take back up the commission work they have been
> neglecting. When I mentioned some good, long rows I've had in my
> Long Dory Venusian this season, along with a couple of good sails in
> the Light Schooner Meteor, it seemed to cheer Phil up (especially the
> rowing).
>
> The MAIB articles, including all the new studies (like Proa 60) and
> updates to older designs (like BWII) were done to "keep some
> continuity" in their lives, although as this group knows, it has been
> a source of frustration for clients like me to see serious work done
> on projects other than paid commissions.
>
> They asked if we are still "in," as apparently some clients have
> given up waiting, and of course our answer was a resounding "yes."
> There are still two boats ahead of our Auriga, but they are not the
> same two as in the past. The first is a "single screw powerboat" for
> a client in the SF Bay area (IIRC). This one sounded like a gold
> plater, but otherwise not technically challenging. It was projected
> to be completed and "out the door" in the "next couple of weeks." I
> didn't get any other information on this boat, but if a member knows
> more, I'm sure we'd all like to hear about it.
>
> #666 I60 is "off the board" according to Phil. Perhaps Susan can
> comment further.
>
> #667 Shine is also apparently shelved, and AS34 is now next ahead of
> our boat, for the same client as Shine. Perhaps that member will
> also comment for us. We are to get a sketch of this boat sometime in
> the near future, if PB&F remember to send it.
>
> As for #668 Auriga, we have been asked to resend some sketches I did
> regarding the interior layout and exterior profile, and to collect
> our thoughts on any other final changes in preparation for a
> conference to kick off the remaining effort to complete the plans.
> Susanne indicated that we might be able to start constructing "small
> pieces in a heated space" this winter. You can imagine how
> tantalizing that sounded!
>
> As part of "anything we can do to make up for how you've been
> treated," Phil sent me the plans (such as they are) for my planned
> winter project, Casual Sailing Dinghy (Cartoon 40). If they really
> finish Auriga this winter, I expect to start amassing materials and
> build the gantries next spring, then get some site preparation done
> to allow them to roll smoothly outdoors. Full-blown construction
> probably would not start until next summer, but of course it all
> depends on the plans.
>
> Jon Kolb
> www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index
>
>
>
>
On 9/14/06, jon wrote:
> #666 I60 is "off the board" according to Phil.Insolent 666, a devil. <grin>
The night of Sunday 03 Sept, out of the blue, Phil called us at
home. Since we've had no communication from them regarding our now 5-
1/2 year old commission in almost a year, it was quite a pleasant
surprise. I'll try to summarize the news.
The shrinking foam issue I wrote about last October was addressed.
Phil said he contacted a trusted technical confidant who says not
worry about it, that the epoxy will hold the foam even if it tries to
shrink slightly. I mentioned that my test samples had all stabilized
at 1/16th inch under their original thickness and had not been
affected by moving them to an elevation 2000 feet lower than our
shop. I suspect outgassing is the culprit, and will allow foam to
sit for a long time before using it in the future.
The big distraction from commissions, which turns out to be much
bigger than I had thought, and which I and others were asked not to
discuss when it started, is now temporarily out of their hands. I'm
not sure if I'm still not supposed to discuss it, but they are
telling their friends and clients about it. All I'll say is that
it's an unclassified effort for the USN and should be published in a
technical paper soon. We have been promised a copy, which I will
share here if I can get it electronically.
This effort has consumed 3-1/2 years and apparently both of them have
suffered from unspecified health issues from the stress. They also
acknowledged that they have almost completely ignored their
commission clients like us, profusely apologized, and claim they are
now able to take back up the commission work they have been
neglecting. When I mentioned some good, long rows I've had in my
Long Dory Venusian this season, along with a couple of good sails in
the Light Schooner Meteor, it seemed to cheer Phil up (especially the
rowing).
The MAIB articles, including all the new studies (like Proa 60) and
updates to older designs (like BWII) were done to "keep some
continuity" in their lives, although as this group knows, it has been
a source of frustration for clients like me to see serious work done
on projects other than paid commissions.
They asked if we are still "in," as apparently some clients have
given up waiting, and of course our answer was a resounding "yes."
There are still two boats ahead of our Auriga, but they are not the
same two as in the past. The first is a "single screw powerboat" for
a client in the SF Bay area (IIRC). This one sounded like a gold
plater, but otherwise not technically challenging. It was projected
to be completed and "out the door" in the "next couple of weeks." I
didn't get any other information on this boat, but if a member knows
more, I'm sure we'd all like to hear about it.
#666 I60 is "off the board" according to Phil. Perhaps Susan can
comment further.
#667 Shine is also apparently shelved, and AS34 is now next ahead of
our boat, for the same client as Shine. Perhaps that member will
also comment for us. We are to get a sketch of this boat sometime in
the near future, if PB&F remember to send it.
As for #668 Auriga, we have been asked to resend some sketches I did
regarding the interior layout and exterior profile, and to collect
our thoughts on any other final changes in preparation for a
conference to kick off the remaining effort to complete the plans.
Susanne indicated that we might be able to start constructing "small
pieces in a heated space" this winter. You can imagine how
tantalizing that sounded!
As part of "anything we can do to make up for how you've been
treated," Phil sent me the plans (such as they are) for my planned
winter project, Casual Sailing Dinghy (Cartoon 40). If they really
finish Auriga this winter, I expect to start amassing materials and
build the gantries next spring, then get some site preparation done
to allow them to roll smoothly outdoors. Full-blown construction
probably would not start until next summer, but of course it all
depends on the plans.
Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index
home. Since we've had no communication from them regarding our now 5-
1/2 year old commission in almost a year, it was quite a pleasant
surprise. I'll try to summarize the news.
The shrinking foam issue I wrote about last October was addressed.
Phil said he contacted a trusted technical confidant who says not
worry about it, that the epoxy will hold the foam even if it tries to
shrink slightly. I mentioned that my test samples had all stabilized
at 1/16th inch under their original thickness and had not been
affected by moving them to an elevation 2000 feet lower than our
shop. I suspect outgassing is the culprit, and will allow foam to
sit for a long time before using it in the future.
The big distraction from commissions, which turns out to be much
bigger than I had thought, and which I and others were asked not to
discuss when it started, is now temporarily out of their hands. I'm
not sure if I'm still not supposed to discuss it, but they are
telling their friends and clients about it. All I'll say is that
it's an unclassified effort for the USN and should be published in a
technical paper soon. We have been promised a copy, which I will
share here if I can get it electronically.
This effort has consumed 3-1/2 years and apparently both of them have
suffered from unspecified health issues from the stress. They also
acknowledged that they have almost completely ignored their
commission clients like us, profusely apologized, and claim they are
now able to take back up the commission work they have been
neglecting. When I mentioned some good, long rows I've had in my
Long Dory Venusian this season, along with a couple of good sails in
the Light Schooner Meteor, it seemed to cheer Phil up (especially the
rowing).
The MAIB articles, including all the new studies (like Proa 60) and
updates to older designs (like BWII) were done to "keep some
continuity" in their lives, although as this group knows, it has been
a source of frustration for clients like me to see serious work done
on projects other than paid commissions.
They asked if we are still "in," as apparently some clients have
given up waiting, and of course our answer was a resounding "yes."
There are still two boats ahead of our Auriga, but they are not the
same two as in the past. The first is a "single screw powerboat" for
a client in the SF Bay area (IIRC). This one sounded like a gold
plater, but otherwise not technically challenging. It was projected
to be completed and "out the door" in the "next couple of weeks." I
didn't get any other information on this boat, but if a member knows
more, I'm sure we'd all like to hear about it.
#666 I60 is "off the board" according to Phil. Perhaps Susan can
comment further.
#667 Shine is also apparently shelved, and AS34 is now next ahead of
our boat, for the same client as Shine. Perhaps that member will
also comment for us. We are to get a sketch of this boat sometime in
the near future, if PB&F remember to send it.
As for #668 Auriga, we have been asked to resend some sketches I did
regarding the interior layout and exterior profile, and to collect
our thoughts on any other final changes in preparation for a
conference to kick off the remaining effort to complete the plans.
Susanne indicated that we might be able to start constructing "small
pieces in a heated space" this winter. You can imagine how
tantalizing that sounded!
As part of "anything we can do to make up for how you've been
treated," Phil sent me the plans (such as they are) for my planned
winter project, Casual Sailing Dinghy (Cartoon 40). If they really
finish Auriga this winter, I expect to start amassing materials and
build the gantries next spring, then get some site preparation done
to allow them to roll smoothly outdoors. Full-blown construction
probably would not start until next summer, but of course it all
depends on the plans.
Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index