Re: Proa 60?
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "adventures_in_astrophotography"
<jon@...> wrote:
Not >to mention the pilothouse, engine pod, and all sorts of
complicated >structure...
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proa_file6/files/Bolger%2060%20proa/
Worried I am. Where is the designer who liked to simplify?
Also, what of the enormous economy, acuity, fun, and wit in earlier
writing? In "Proa" (Chap 24 BWAOM) just one elegant tiny sketch at
page 117, top left, conveyed understanding of how a Pacific proa is
sailed without convoluted linguistic imperialism, or colonialist
chauvinism. Anyway, what is there that defies understanding, or is
unclear in terms like vaka, ama, and aka once briefly defined?
("Boxhauling" gets me! and I guess it couldn't be more based in
English.)
In writing about the giant sharpie design, Sir Joseph Banks (Chap 75
BWAOM), intended for Melanesian island use, PCB doesn't mention the
sources he relies on when stating that people from that region do
not have a maritime tradition. Relying on the anthropological
observations of local communications by some European jingoist
stuffed shirt from Cook's time is highly fraught. It was not
so: .." This canoe design is probably the only Polynesian ocean
going sailing hull design to have survived the total destruction of
the Polynesian ocean voyaging culture since the arrival of Western
Sailors and later missionaries in the Pacific. ..In the past, there
was frequent trade between Tikopia and the Banks Islands. The ariki
kafika has an ancestral claim to a small islet there, called
Ravenga. It's just off Vanua Lava, 204 km to Tikopia's south-west.
In 1891, a missionary called Coddrington reported that as many as 11
large Tikopian trading canoes used to visit Vanua Lava at a time."¹
(Even as late as 1906, Coleman in his classic "Sailing Boats From
Around the World" assures the reader that, as sharks may only bite
from an inverted position, sailors who find themselves overboard in
shark infested waters of the Indian Ocean avoid attack by diving to
the bottom. The shark cannot get a bite of the sailor there as it
cannot get below her to roll over first! Dumb shark. When the
frustrated shark takes off in disgust then the knowing sailor can
bolt to the surface and reboard.)
Micronesian proa-sailing maritime traditions easily outdate those of
western Europe. Rich the language, ancient too. Eskimos are reputed
to have a thousand words for snow. Tikopians do not say left or
right - only inland or seawards². How is descriptive simplicity
gained by burying a word? A seaworthy cruising proa is a difficult
design problem. This conceptual study solution shows the usual
novelty and Bolger brilliance. Unusually though, do the parts sum to
more than the whole?
Graeme
¹http://tikopia.co.uk/inspiration.html
²http://tikopia.co.uk/tikopiancanoe.html
NB Tikopians travelled the ocean, well out of sight of land, in what
PCB&F would probably call a catamaran. Wharram distinguishes between
sailing double canoe ( sometimes a catamaran), outrigger canoe
(tacking outrigger), and proa.
<jon@...> wrote:
>...this behemoth proa. I can't imagine trying to build it myself,as >it's essentially two 60-footers plus a non-trivial bridge deck.
Not >to mention the pilothouse, engine pod, and all sorts of
complicated >structure...
>I suspect there is not much PCB in this piece.
> There...that help get you interested in subscribing to MAIB now?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proa_file6/files/Bolger%2060%20proa/
Worried I am. Where is the designer who liked to simplify?
Also, what of the enormous economy, acuity, fun, and wit in earlier
writing? In "Proa" (Chap 24 BWAOM) just one elegant tiny sketch at
page 117, top left, conveyed understanding of how a Pacific proa is
sailed without convoluted linguistic imperialism, or colonialist
chauvinism. Anyway, what is there that defies understanding, or is
unclear in terms like vaka, ama, and aka once briefly defined?
("Boxhauling" gets me! and I guess it couldn't be more based in
English.)
In writing about the giant sharpie design, Sir Joseph Banks (Chap 75
BWAOM), intended for Melanesian island use, PCB doesn't mention the
sources he relies on when stating that people from that region do
not have a maritime tradition. Relying on the anthropological
observations of local communications by some European jingoist
stuffed shirt from Cook's time is highly fraught. It was not
so: .." This canoe design is probably the only Polynesian ocean
going sailing hull design to have survived the total destruction of
the Polynesian ocean voyaging culture since the arrival of Western
Sailors and later missionaries in the Pacific. ..In the past, there
was frequent trade between Tikopia and the Banks Islands. The ariki
kafika has an ancestral claim to a small islet there, called
Ravenga. It's just off Vanua Lava, 204 km to Tikopia's south-west.
In 1891, a missionary called Coddrington reported that as many as 11
large Tikopian trading canoes used to visit Vanua Lava at a time."¹
(Even as late as 1906, Coleman in his classic "Sailing Boats From
Around the World" assures the reader that, as sharks may only bite
from an inverted position, sailors who find themselves overboard in
shark infested waters of the Indian Ocean avoid attack by diving to
the bottom. The shark cannot get a bite of the sailor there as it
cannot get below her to roll over first! Dumb shark. When the
frustrated shark takes off in disgust then the knowing sailor can
bolt to the surface and reboard.)
Micronesian proa-sailing maritime traditions easily outdate those of
western Europe. Rich the language, ancient too. Eskimos are reputed
to have a thousand words for snow. Tikopians do not say left or
right - only inland or seawards². How is descriptive simplicity
gained by burying a word? A seaworthy cruising proa is a difficult
design problem. This conceptual study solution shows the usual
novelty and Bolger brilliance. Unusually though, do the parts sum to
more than the whole?
Graeme
¹http://tikopia.co.uk/inspiration.html
²http://tikopia.co.uk/tikopiancanoe.html
NB Tikopians travelled the ocean, well out of sight of land, in what
PCB&F would probably call a catamaran. Wharram distinguishes between
sailing double canoe ( sometimes a catamaran), outrigger canoe
(tacking outrigger), and proa.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Matt DeLapp <matt+bolger@...> wrote:
Graeme
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proa_file6/files/Bolger%2060%20proa/
> On Thu, Sep 14, 2006 at 04:51:56PM -0400, Mark Balogh wrote:
> > will at least look into the back issues. Anybody know the issue
> > numbers for Proa 60?
>
> volume 24 - number 1
> volume 24 - number 2
> volume 24 - number 6
>
Graeme
Vol. 24, numbers 1 and 2
Mark Balogh wrote:
Mark Balogh wrote:
> Thanks to Bruce and Jon for their comments. I actually subscribed to
> MAIB for many years but stopped my subscription maybe 5 years ago.
> There were a few of the regular contributors that were dominating the
> pages whose ongoing articles I did not enjoy and it had gotten so the
> bolger pages were about all that I looked forward to so I decided to
> take a break. There are only so many hours to read magazines so it has
> to be one I enjoy. Maybe it is time to consider subscribing again.
> Hopefully the non Bolger content has changed from that time and will
> justify the subscription as well. I sailed a couple thousand miles on
> a 30' proa in the 70s and have had a weakness for them ever since. I
> will at least look into the back issues. Anybody know the issue
> numbers for Proa 60?
> Mark
>
> On Sep 14, 2006, at 4:24 PM, adventures_in_astrophotography wrote:
>
> > Hi Mark,
> >
> > > > I do not subscribe to MAIB so have not seen Proa 60.
> > >
> > > Run, don't walk, to get your MAIB subscription!
> > >
> > > Also, back issues are only $2, a bargain IMO.
> >
> > Be sure to get both (or is it all three) recent issues required to
> > cover this behemoth proa. I can't imagine trying to build it myself,
> > as it's essentially two 60-footers plus a non-trivial bridge deck. Not
> > to mention the pilothouse, engine pod, and all sorts of complicated
> > structure (like articulated hull ends).
> >
> > There...that help get you interested in subscribing to MAIB now?
> >
> > Jon Kolb
> > www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
On Thu, Sep 14, 2006 at 04:51:56PM -0400, Mark Balogh wrote:
volume 24 - number 2
volume 24 - number 6
> will at least look into the back issues. Anybody know the issuevolume 24 - number 1
> numbers for Proa 60?
volume 24 - number 2
volume 24 - number 6
Thanks to Bruce and Jon for their comments. I actually subscribed to
MAIB for many years but stopped my subscription maybe 5 years ago.
There were a few of the regular contributors that were dominating the
pages whose ongoing articles I did not enjoy and it had gotten so the
bolger pages were about all that I looked forward to so I decided to
take a break. There are only so many hours to read magazines so it has
to be one I enjoy. Maybe it is time to consider subscribing again.
Hopefully the non Bolger content has changed from that time and will
justify the subscription as well. I sailed a couple thousand miles on
a 30' proa in the 70s and have had a weakness for them ever since. I
will at least look into the back issues. Anybody know the issue
numbers for Proa 60?
Mark
MAIB for many years but stopped my subscription maybe 5 years ago.
There were a few of the regular contributors that were dominating the
pages whose ongoing articles I did not enjoy and it had gotten so the
bolger pages were about all that I looked forward to so I decided to
take a break. There are only so many hours to read magazines so it has
to be one I enjoy. Maybe it is time to consider subscribing again.
Hopefully the non Bolger content has changed from that time and will
justify the subscription as well. I sailed a couple thousand miles on
a 30' proa in the 70s and have had a weakness for them ever since. I
will at least look into the back issues. Anybody know the issue
numbers for Proa 60?
Mark
On Sep 14, 2006, at 4:24 PM, adventures_in_astrophotography wrote:
> Hi Mark,
>
> > > I do not subscribe to MAIB so have not seen Proa 60.
> >
> > Run, don't walk, to get your MAIB subscription!
> >
> > Also, back issues are only $2, a bargain IMO.
>
> Be sure to get both (or is it all three) recent issues required to
> cover this behemoth proa. I can't imagine trying to build it myself,
> as it's essentially two 60-footers plus a non-trivial bridge deck. Not
> to mention the pilothouse, engine pod, and all sorts of complicated
> structure (like articulated hull ends).
>
> There...that help get you interested in subscribing to MAIB now?
>
> Jon Kolb
> www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
>
>
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Hi Mark,
cover this behemoth proa. I can't imagine trying to build it myself,
as it's essentially two 60-footers plus a non-trivial bridge deck. Not
to mention the pilothouse, engine pod, and all sorts of complicated
structure (like articulated hull ends).
There...that help get you interested in subscribing to MAIB now?
Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
> > I do not subscribe to MAIB so have not seen Proa 60.Be sure to get both (or is it all three) recent issues required to
>
> Run, don't walk, to get your MAIB subscription!
>
> Also, back issues are only $2, a bargain IMO.
cover this behemoth proa. I can't imagine trying to build it myself,
as it's essentially two 60-footers plus a non-trivial bridge deck. Not
to mention the pilothouse, engine pod, and all sorts of complicated
structure (like articulated hull ends).
There...that help get you interested in subscribing to MAIB now?
Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
On 9/14/06, bsdbatwing <mark@...> wrote:
Also, back issues are only $2, a bargain IMO.
>Run, don't walk, to get your MAIB subscription!
> I do not subscribe to MAIB so have not seen Proa 60.
Also, back issues are only $2, a bargain IMO.
I do not subscribe to MAIB so have not seen Proa 60. As a proa
sailing enthusiast I would love to see it. Anybody got a scan of that
study that they would like to share? Thanks, Mark
sailing enthusiast I would love to see it. Anybody got a scan of that
study that they would like to share? Thanks, Mark
>The MAIB articles, including all the new studies (like Proa 60)