RE: [bolger] Re: Trim tabs on a Tennessee?

Dave:



There is no way I can get my 6’, 230 lbs through the small hatch in the bow.
I crawl across the cabin from the hatch to get to the bow. That is why I
have been looking for a hatch of sufficient size to get to the bow from
underneath, I do not mind the bending and crawling as it is across the
padded v-berth. Once the hatch is installed I will be able to kneel on the
v-berth and reach to the anchor well enough. The cabin modification that I
plan to do is to cut the #4 frame to create a berth on the port side. My
wife is happy with the v-berth; I can hardly roll over without being trapped
in the too narrow space.



Caloosarat





_____

From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
musseler
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 6:00 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Trim tabs on a Tennessee?



Thanks Chester,

It sounds like you have been crawling beneath the cabin roof through
the bunks area to reach the forward hatch and then stand up? I'm
over 60 and don't need to be crawling either. One of the Aussie
versions has extended the cabin forward to frame 2 and shows
a "hinged hatch" between frames 2 & 3, over the forward bunks
section. This would make it a little easier to access the bow, but
still involves stooping and crawling, and leaves you about 4 feet
from the actual bow, but, the anchor work could probably be handled
from there.

I just received my order of stainless steel screws and ring-shanked
nails day b4 yesterday, and plan to put the frame pieces together
soon.

--- In bolger@yahoogroups. <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> com, "Chester
Young" <chester@...> wrote:

>
> Dave:
>
>
>
> I avoid going forward to the point of spending time drifting when

anchor

> might be a better option, if it is lunch or something I will set

an anchor

> from the stern. Stern anchoring also keeps the noise down and if

it too

> rough for that then you are in the wrong spot. Getting to the bow

is a BIG

> pain. My 40 something knees are not as young as they used to be

and it is a

> crawl to get there. I now have my hands on a hatch to be rebuilt

and

> installed up front. I like the idea of the open bow for ease of

access and

> there is no good use for the space under cover, it is too far

forward to

> place much weight and I suspect the original concept was to

prevent people

> from standing there and overloading the bow. Docking would

benefit from

> forward access, instead of just all gathering in the cockpit while

I

> practice crashing into stationary objects. To be fair, I am

starting to get

> good at making suggestions to Esther Mae on how to behave when

approaching

> the dock. So far I have not crashed in such fashion as leave a

mark.

>
> The bottom of Esther Mae is two sheets of 3/8". I will have look

at her

> frames, I think they are ¾". One keel.
>
>
>
> Caloosarat
>
> If I would quit driving her around on the weekends then I could

get some

> work done, but then I would not be driving her would I?
>
> _____
>
> From: bolger@yahoogroups. <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> com

[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups. <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> com] On
Behalf Of

> musseler
> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 8:17 PM
> To: bolger@yahoogroups. <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> com
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Trim tabs on a Tennessee?
>
>
>
> Chester,
>
> Thanks again for the pics, if I ever get her built I will

experiment

> with different squat board angles, they make a lot of sense to me.
> Do you have much occasion to go forward to the bow to set the
> anchor? Do you climb over the cabin, go around it, or go to the
> forward hatch from within to get there? Also, did he use 1/2" ply

or

> 3/8" ply on the bottom? Are his frames 3/4" or did he opt for 1.5"
> frames? Did he add extra bottom strakes or stick with the one keel
> as Bolgers plan shows? Hope you don't mind a few questions,
> Chester, but I want to get her built right the first time!
> -- Dave
>
> --- In bolger@yahoogroups. <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>

com, "Chester

> Young" <chester@> wrote:
> >
> > Dave:
> >
> >
> >
> > I have posted a couple of photos in the Esther Mae album. One
> gives a good
> > view of the boards with the boat at rest. Note the wire on the
> port side;
> > it leads to the transducer for the depth sounder. The black crud
> is just
> > that, crud from having the good fortune to put Esther Mae in the
> water
> > frequently enough that it grows. The rest of the boat has bottom
> paint and
> > does not exhibit near the growth that the squat boards do. I

have

> scrubbed
> > the boards on a regular occasion.
> >
> >
> >
> > The other photo was standing on the stern looking down while
> underway. Note
> > the location of the transducer, the force of the water as it

flows

> under the
> > squat boards is enough that the water bubbles up about 6" when
> traveling at
> > 5mph. I assume that it is even more at higher speed. This
> indicates the
> > amount of pressure that the squat boards experience, which says
> that they
> > are functioning as additional hull length. The boards extend
> back form the
> > stern at an angle slightly downward from the bottom of the boat
> itself,
> > adding potential lift when at speed.
> >
> >
> >
> > I do not know if the boards made a difference once added. The
> prior owner,
> > died within a week of selling me the boat so I did not have the
> chance to
> > question him on this. I watched and waited for three years
> before he
> > would sell. His being sick was the only reason he entertained
> selling. He
> > called me because I am acquainted with his son and told to let

me

> know if
> > his dad ever wanted to sell. I cannot blame him for holding on

to

> her for
> > so long, who wouldn't?
> >
> >
> >
> > Caloosarat
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: bolger@yahoogroups. <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> com
> [mailto:bolger@yahoogroups. <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> com]

On

> Behalf Of
> > musseler
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 10:18 AM
> > To: bolger@yahoogroups. <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> com
> > Subject: [bolger] Re: Trim tabs on a Tennessee?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks Caloosarat,
> > The "sqat boards" look to be set at an angle with the hull

bottom,

> > instead of following the hull bottom line, maybe the close-up
> > pictures will show more about this. My build of the Tennessee

will

> > be called "June Marie" after my better half, of course, and I

have

> > some pictures of the shop & cutout frames posted at
> > www.thestorydoctor.com/tpics/JuneMarie.htm If you go to
> > www.thestorydoctor.com, be sure to look at the "Virtual Voyager"
> > link, most people find this to be extremely useful in planning
> > voyages. The "Story Doctor" is my wife's site, and the "Blue
> > Heron's Nest" is mine, and is linked to from her front page.
> >
> > I've never built a boat this large before, and it's going to be

a

> > challenge for me. I've already got the sides cut out for it, and
> > frames 1 through 6, but no assembly of the parts has began.

You'll

> > notice a 8 foot model of the Tennessee, with a walk-thru cabin
> > arrangement, but the boat seems to be too narrow for that, so

I'll

> > probably go with th standard design and closed cockpit like your
> > Esther Mae. Again, thanks for your help.
> > --- In bolger@yahoogroups. <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> com, "Chester
> > Young" <chester@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dave:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The objects you have noticed are more correctly called 'squat
> > boards'. I do
> > > not have the book that described the difference between squat
> > boards and
> > > trim tabs at hand, but basically it amounts to squat boards

not

> > having the
> > > ability to be adjusted. They were installed by the previous
> > owner, I do not
> > > know exactly why, but have opted to leave them in place for

the

> > time being.
> > > They create a 1' plus extension to the hull and in no way
> > interfere with the
> > > operation of Esther Mae. I will attempt to get a better view

of

> > the boards
> > > put in the Esther Mae photo album. Have you posted any photos

of

> > your
> > > build? How about more details on your intended use and the

boat

> > itself.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Caloosarat ~ the happy owner of Esther Mae, even if I did not
> > build my own.
> > > (But I was considering it before I was able to purchase one).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > > From: bolger@yahoogroups. <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> com
> > [mailto:bolger@yahoogroups. <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>

com]

> On
> > Behalf Of
> > > musseler
> > > Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 3:39 PM
> > > To: bolger@yahoogroups. <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> com
> > > Subject: [bolger] Trim tabs on a Tennessee?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > A couple of issues back, "Messing About In Boats" ran a Bolger
> > article
> > > on the Tennessee design. In the pictures that accompanied the
> > > article, I noticed something had been added to the stern of

the

> > boat
> > > on both sides of the motor. I could not make out what the

objects

> > > were, but guess they were either homemade trim tabs, or maybe
> swim
> > > platform steps. Does anyone have an explanation of these?

Also, I

> > > had some other pictures of the Tennessee, and one of those

boats

> > (an
> > > Aussie boat, I believe) had the same sort of transom additions.
> > > Puzzled Dave.........who is now in the process of building a
> > Tennessee.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thanks Chester,

It sounds like you have been crawling beneath the cabin roof through
the bunks area to reach the forward hatch and then stand up? I'm
over 60 and don't need to be crawling either. One of the Aussie
versions has extended the cabin forward to frame 2 and shows
a "hinged hatch" between frames 2 & 3, over the forward bunks
section. This would make it a little easier to access the bow, but
still involves stooping and crawling, and leaves you about 4 feet
from the actual bow, but, the anchor work could probably be handled
from there.

I just received my order of stainless steel screws and ring-shanked
nails day b4 yesterday, and plan to put the frame pieces together
soon.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Chester Young" <chester@...> wrote:
>
> Dave:
>
>
>
> I avoid going forward to the point of spending time drifting when
anchor
> might be a better option, if it is lunch or something I will set
an anchor
> from the stern. Stern anchoring also keeps the noise down and if
it too
> rough for that then you are in the wrong spot. Getting to the bow
is a BIG
> pain. My 40 something knees are not as young as they used to be
and it is a
> crawl to get there. I now have my hands on a hatch to be rebuilt
and
> installed up front. I like the idea of the open bow for ease of
access and
> there is no good use for the space under cover, it is too far
forward to
> place much weight and I suspect the original concept was to
prevent people
> from standing there and overloading the bow. Docking would
benefit from
> forward access, instead of just all gathering in the cockpit while
I
> practice crashing into stationary objects. To be fair, I am
starting to get
> good at making suggestions to Esther Mae on how to behave when
approaching
> the dock. So far I have not crashed in such fashion as leave a
mark.
>
> The bottom of Esther Mae is two sheets of 3/8". I will have look
at her
> frames, I think they are ¾". One keel.
>
>
>
> Caloosarat
>
> If I would quit driving her around on the weekends then I could
get some
> work done, but then I would not be driving her would I?
>
> _____
>
> From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of
> musseler
> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 8:17 PM
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Trim tabs on a Tennessee?
>
>
>
> Chester,
>
> Thanks again for the pics, if I ever get her built I will
experiment
> with different squat board angles, they make a lot of sense to me.
> Do you have much occasion to go forward to the bow to set the
> anchor? Do you climb over the cabin, go around it, or go to the
> forward hatch from within to get there? Also, did he use 1/2" ply
or
> 3/8" ply on the bottom? Are his frames 3/4" or did he opt for 1.5"
> frames? Did he add extra bottom strakes or stick with the one keel
> as Bolgers plan shows? Hope you don't mind a few questions,
> Chester, but I want to get her built right the first time!
> -- Dave
>
> --- In bolger@yahoogroups. <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
com, "Chester
> Young" <chester@> wrote:
> >
> > Dave:
> >
> >
> >
> > I have posted a couple of photos in the Esther Mae album. One
> gives a good
> > view of the boards with the boat at rest. Note the wire on the
> port side;
> > it leads to the transducer for the depth sounder. The black crud
> is just
> > that, crud from having the good fortune to put Esther Mae in the
> water
> > frequently enough that it grows. The rest of the boat has bottom
> paint and
> > does not exhibit near the growth that the squat boards do. I
have
> scrubbed
> > the boards on a regular occasion.
> >
> >
> >
> > The other photo was standing on the stern looking down while
> underway. Note
> > the location of the transducer, the force of the water as it
flows
> under the
> > squat boards is enough that the water bubbles up about 6" when
> traveling at
> > 5mph. I assume that it is even more at higher speed. This
> indicates the
> > amount of pressure that the squat boards experience, which says
> that they
> > are functioning as additional hull length. The boards extend
> back form the
> > stern at an angle slightly downward from the bottom of the boat
> itself,
> > adding potential lift when at speed.
> >
> >
> >
> > I do not know if the boards made a difference once added. The
> prior owner,
> > died within a week of selling me the boat so I did not have the
> chance to
> > question him on this. I watched and waited for three years
> before he
> > would sell. His being sick was the only reason he entertained
> selling. He
> > called me because I am acquainted with his son and told to let
me
> know if
> > his dad ever wanted to sell. I cannot blame him for holding on
to
> her for
> > so long, who wouldn't?
> >
> >
> >
> > Caloosarat
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: bolger@yahoogroups. <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> com
> [mailto:bolger@yahoogroups. <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> com]
On
> Behalf Of
> > musseler
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 10:18 AM
> > To: bolger@yahoogroups. <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> com
> > Subject: [bolger] Re: Trim tabs on a Tennessee?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks Caloosarat,
> > The "sqat boards" look to be set at an angle with the hull
bottom,
> > instead of following the hull bottom line, maybe the close-up
> > pictures will show more about this. My build of the Tennessee
will
> > be called "June Marie" after my better half, of course, and I
have
> > some pictures of the shop & cutout frames posted at
> > www.thestorydoctor.com/tpics/JuneMarie.htm If you go to
> > www.thestorydoctor.com, be sure to look at the "Virtual Voyager"
> > link, most people find this to be extremely useful in planning
> > voyages. The "Story Doctor" is my wife's site, and the "Blue
> > Heron's Nest" is mine, and is linked to from her front page.
> >
> > I've never built a boat this large before, and it's going to be
a
> > challenge for me. I've already got the sides cut out for it, and
> > frames 1 through 6, but no assembly of the parts has began.
You'll
> > notice a 8 foot model of the Tennessee, with a walk-thru cabin
> > arrangement, but the boat seems to be too narrow for that, so
I'll
> > probably go with th standard design and closed cockpit like your
> > Esther Mae. Again, thanks for your help.
> > --- In bolger@yahoogroups. <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> com, "Chester
> > Young" <chester@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dave:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The objects you have noticed are more correctly called 'squat
> > boards'. I do
> > > not have the book that described the difference between squat
> > boards and
> > > trim tabs at hand, but basically it amounts to squat boards
not
> > having the
> > > ability to be adjusted. They were installed by the previous
> > owner, I do not
> > > know exactly why, but have opted to leave them in place for
the
> > time being.
> > > They create a 1' plus extension to the hull and in no way
> > interfere with the
> > > operation of Esther Mae. I will attempt to get a better view
of
> > the boards
> > > put in the Esther Mae photo album. Have you posted any photos
of
> > your
> > > build? How about more details on your intended use and the
boat
> > itself.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Caloosarat ~ the happy owner of Esther Mae, even if I did not
> > build my own.
> > > (But I was considering it before I was able to purchase one).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > > From: bolger@yahoogroups. <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> com
> > [mailto:bolger@yahoogroups. <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
com]
> On
> > Behalf Of
> > > musseler
> > > Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 3:39 PM
> > > To: bolger@yahoogroups. <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> com
> > > Subject: [bolger] Trim tabs on a Tennessee?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > A couple of issues back, "Messing About In Boats" ran a Bolger
> > article
> > > on the Tennessee design. In the pictures that accompanied the
> > > article, I noticed something had been added to the stern of
the
> > boat
> > > on both sides of the motor. I could not make out what the
objects
> > > were, but guess they were either homemade trim tabs, or maybe
> swim
> > > platform steps. Does anyone have an explanation of these?
Also, I
> > > had some other pictures of the Tennessee, and one of those
boats
> > (an
> > > Aussie boat, I believe) had the same sort of transom additions.
> > > Puzzled Dave.........who is now in the process of building a
> > Tennessee.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Chester, and other friends,
I sympathise with your experience of accessing the forward
portions of Tenniessie. You have much more real life experience
with one than I (considering mine is still being built...) You also
appear to be considerably taller than I am. I decided early on to
build mine with an open bow--not so much for seating, but for access
and possibilities. The Columbia river can be rough--I've seen five
foot waves and frequent white caps, but it is no ocean, and the
Tennie is no open water boat. I'm thinking Thames picnic launches.
Anyhow, I have extended the sleeping area in the cabin by having the
bow seats watertight in the bow cockpit, thereby giving full
sleeping length inside the cabin. I've also opened the bow cockpit
deck just forward of frame 2, or just abaft frame one.
Chester, a belated thank you for you kind words regarding the
model I made. I love to see any pictres of your lovely boat that
you post. It is very inspiring, as epoxy work is odious, laborious,
and lengthy, and keeps me occupied.
Finally, Friends, I should point out that Mr. Bolger did not
approve of any changes I made--round stern, inboard engine, open
bow, internal frames, no external chines--and asked that I not
attribute it to them. Well, I'm no designer, and I built the thing
from plans, so it requires a bit of mental prestidigitation for me
to claim credit for an inspired design that I merely modified
slightly.
If I have two more weeks of 70 degree weather, I'll have that
puppy bottom finished and flipped over. I can't believe how much
epoxy it took to saturate the Dynel and fill the weave....and then
the sanding to smooth it! Ouch! As I've said before, it's a good
argument for more traditional boat building techniques.
Tim

Dave:



I avoid going forward to the point of spending time drifting when anchor
might be a better option, if it is lunch or something I will set an anchor
from the stern. Stern anchoring also keeps the noise down and if it too
rough for that then you are in the wrong spot. Getting to the bow is a BIG
pain. My 40 something knees are not as young as they used to be and it is a
crawl to get there. I now have my hands on a hatch to be rebuilt and
installed up front. I like the idea of the open bow for ease of access and
there is no good use for the space under cover, it is too far forward to
place much weight and I suspect the original concept was to prevent people
from standing there and overloading the bow. Docking would benefit from
forward access, instead of just all gathering in the cockpit while I
practice crashing into stationary objects. To be fair, I am starting to get
good at making suggestions to Esther Mae on how to behave when approaching
the dock. So far I have not crashed in such fashion as leave a mark.

The bottom of Esther Mae is two sheets of 3/8”. I will have look at her
frames, I think they are ¾”. One keel.



Caloosarat

If I would quit driving her around on the weekends then I could get some
work done, but then I would not be driving her would I?

_____

From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
musseler
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 8:17 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Trim tabs on a Tennessee?



Chester,

Thanks again for the pics, if I ever get her built I will experiment
with different squat board angles, they make a lot of sense to me.
Do you have much occasion to go forward to the bow to set the
anchor? Do you climb over the cabin, go around it, or go to the
forward hatch from within to get there? Also, did he use 1/2" ply or
3/8" ply on the bottom? Are his frames 3/4" or did he opt for 1.5"
frames? Did he add extra bottom strakes or stick with the one keel
as Bolgers plan shows? Hope you don't mind a few questions,
Chester, but I want to get her built right the first time!
-- Dave

--- In bolger@yahoogroups. <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> com, "Chester
Young" <chester@...> wrote:

>
> Dave:
>
>
>
> I have posted a couple of photos in the Esther Mae album. One

gives a good

> view of the boards with the boat at rest. Note the wire on the

port side;

> it leads to the transducer for the depth sounder. The black crud

is just

> that, crud from having the good fortune to put Esther Mae in the

water

> frequently enough that it grows. The rest of the boat has bottom

paint and

> does not exhibit near the growth that the squat boards do. I have

scrubbed

> the boards on a regular occasion.
>
>
>
> The other photo was standing on the stern looking down while

underway. Note

> the location of the transducer, the force of the water as it flows

under the

> squat boards is enough that the water bubbles up about 6" when

traveling at

> 5mph. I assume that it is even more at higher speed. This

indicates the

> amount of pressure that the squat boards experience, which says

that they

> are functioning as additional hull length. The boards extend

back form the

> stern at an angle slightly downward from the bottom of the boat

itself,

> adding potential lift when at speed.
>
>
>
> I do not know if the boards made a difference once added. The

prior owner,

> died within a week of selling me the boat so I did not have the

chance to

> question him on this. I watched and waited for three years

before he

> would sell. His being sick was the only reason he entertained

selling. He

> called me because I am acquainted with his son and told to let me

know if

> his dad ever wanted to sell. I cannot blame him for holding on to

her for

> so long, who wouldn't?
>
>
>
> Caloosarat
>
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: bolger@yahoogroups. <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> com

[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups. <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> com] On
Behalf Of

> musseler
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 10:18 AM
> To: bolger@yahoogroups. <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> com
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Trim tabs on a Tennessee?
>
>
>
> Thanks Caloosarat,
> The "sqat boards" look to be set at an angle with the hull bottom,
> instead of following the hull bottom line, maybe the close-up
> pictures will show more about this. My build of the Tennessee will
> be called "June Marie" after my better half, of course, and I have
> some pictures of the shop & cutout frames posted at
> www.thestorydoctor.com/tpics/JuneMarie.htm If you go to
> www.thestorydoctor.com, be sure to look at the "Virtual Voyager"
> link, most people find this to be extremely useful in planning
> voyages. The "Story Doctor" is my wife's site, and the "Blue
> Heron's Nest" is mine, and is linked to from her front page.
>
> I've never built a boat this large before, and it's going to be a
> challenge for me. I've already got the sides cut out for it, and
> frames 1 through 6, but no assembly of the parts has began. You'll
> notice a 8 foot model of the Tennessee, with a walk-thru cabin
> arrangement, but the boat seems to be too narrow for that, so I'll
> probably go with th standard design and closed cockpit like your
> Esther Mae. Again, thanks for your help.
> --- In bolger@yahoogroups. <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>

com, "Chester

> Young" <chester@> wrote:
> >
> > Dave:
> >
> >
> >
> > The objects you have noticed are more correctly called 'squat
> boards'. I do
> > not have the book that described the difference between squat
> boards and
> > trim tabs at hand, but basically it amounts to squat boards not
> having the
> > ability to be adjusted. They were installed by the previous
> owner, I do not
> > know exactly why, but have opted to leave them in place for the
> time being.
> > They create a 1' plus extension to the hull and in no way
> interfere with the
> > operation of Esther Mae. I will attempt to get a better view of
> the boards
> > put in the Esther Mae photo album. Have you posted any photos of
> your
> > build? How about more details on your intended use and the boat
> itself.
> >
> >
> >
> > Caloosarat ~ the happy owner of Esther Mae, even if I did not
> build my own.
> > (But I was considering it before I was able to purchase one).
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: bolger@yahoogroups. <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> com
> [mailto:bolger@yahoogroups. <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> com]

On

> Behalf Of
> > musseler
> > Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 3:39 PM
> > To: bolger@yahoogroups. <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> com
> > Subject: [bolger] Trim tabs on a Tennessee?
> >
> >
> >
> > A couple of issues back, "Messing About In Boats" ran a Bolger
> article
> > on the Tennessee design. In the pictures that accompanied the
> > article, I noticed something had been added to the stern of the
> boat
> > on both sides of the motor. I could not make out what the objects
> > were, but guess they were either homemade trim tabs, or maybe

swim

> > platform steps. Does anyone have an explanation of these? Also, I
> > had some other pictures of the Tennessee, and one of those boats
> (an
> > Aussie boat, I believe) had the same sort of transom additions.
> > Puzzled Dave.........who is now in the process of building a
> Tennessee.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Some one said they were thinking about installing a
diesel in a Tennessee.

I'll try and find your Tennie photos, a diesel on a

> Tennie sounds
> interesting, inboard I presume?

I'm not sure what kind of HP you are looking for. I
have worked around a lot of marine diesels over the
years and some are smoother then others. The
smoothness of the engine has more to do with the
number of cylinders more then anything. A single
cylinder. will shake real bad at most RPM but they do
have a few smooth spots the same is true of the four
cylinders as well. Yet the 2 cylinders is smoother
over a wide range and with most 3 and 6 cylinders they
are smooth all over the RPM range.

There is or was a 33 HP 3 cylinder Westerbek for sale
up here for under 400 dollars it ran when they took it
out of the boat and is less the marine trans. It needs
new glow plugs and it has about 2000 hours on it. I
can find out more info if you want or get you the
contact info.

The engine is about 70 miles north of Seattle
Washington if it's still there.

Blessings Kristine

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Hey Tim,

I'll try and find your Tennie photos, a diesel on a Tennie sounds
interesting, inboard I presume? Both the Snake river and the
Columbia river are included in the "Virtual Voyager" section of the
Blue Heron's Nest web site...go to www.thestorydoctor.com, and check
it out. Thanks for the discussion input, i am learning a lot from
you guys, and at the right time in the construction process.
......dave

bolger@yahoogroups.com, "gravedigger20032003"
<gravediggerjames@...> wrote:

>
> Hello, boatbuilding friends,
>
> Some of you may recall that I'm building a Tennie from plans out

of

> Bolger's book titled "Different Boats." You may even recall that

I

> posted pictures of a model on this web site, and even that I
> promised to be done this summer. Alas! I got vetoed on two

counts:

> money, and, not unreltated, my wife pointed out that our oldest
> daughter was only going to be around for three more summers--so

we'd

> better camp this one! And so we did. I'll spare you the

details.

> We had fun from Montana to Canada and Oregon and Idaho, and, of
> course, Washington. It's a bit of a catch 22 (but there was only
> one catch, and that was catch 22...) because, obviously, I want to
> use the Tennie for camping! I touched it not at all this summer.
>
> However, I've spent about 24hrs this month to finish the Dynel
> fabric. I had to fill the weave. I've used 16 gallons of epoxy

so

> far--mostly for satrurating and filling the weave! But some for
> fillets. Dynel is significantly more abrasion resistant than
> fiberglass (as per results with my Makita 7inch disk sander at 60
> and 80 grit-- I have to work to cut Dynell, I have to work to not
> cut fiberglass) I'm getting ready to epoxy-coal-tar the bottom by
> way of bottom paint (Tommorow, and tommorrow, and tomorrow....)
>
> As for squat boards, I built mine with a two and one half foot
> extension to the bottom, curved around like a drake tail. I

didn't

> follow the rocker of the bottom, but recurve back down the last

two

> feet to follow the waterline--I rather hoped it would help

planing.

> My original thought was to put the extension to hide the outboard,
> but in the undoubted deed I found a very nice diesel for half the
> price and went with that. A compromise, most certainly in terms

of

> draft, as Chester has pointed out, but still only 16inches--not

even

> up to my knees. What project isn't a compromise, in the end? And
> maybe boats even more so. Where I live, shallow draft isn't too
> much of a concern (Columbia and Snake rivers). If I lived in
> Florida, I'd think twice about it. In fact, the Tennie is such a
> brilliantly designed craft that I'd think twice about any
> modification--it just adds more time and expense. So be it, now.
>
> Well, I've got just under $5,000 into it and am well over the

hump.

> Boats aren't cheap! But, let me tell you, I was penurious in

every

> way--but not cheap, marine ply, good epoxy, etc. I've come away
> with alot of respect for big projects. And also about how a big
> thing scales up--a Tennie isn't just twice as big as a 17ft kayak,
> its proportianally many factors bigger. And who would have

thought

> that glueing would take so much time? Or sanding? Or cleaning off
> dust? Or keeping the dog from peeing on it? Ouch!
>
> OK. I'll try to put up some pictures. I'll try to answer any
> questions. I have alot to say about many things. Chester, thank
> you for your nice comments about my model, etc. All I can say

right

> now is that every picture of your boat I find is a totall
> inspiration to me. What a lovely thing, in a lovely place. I'm
> envious!
> Tim
>

Hello, boatbuilding friends,

Some of you may recall that I'm building a Tennie from plans out of
Bolger's book titled "Different Boats." You may even recall that I
posted pictures of a model on this web site, and even that I
promised to be done this summer. Alas! I got vetoed on two counts:
money, and, not unreltated, my wife pointed out that our oldest
daughter was only going to be around for three more summers--so we'd
better camp this one! And so we did. I'll spare you the details.
We had fun from Montana to Canada and Oregon and Idaho, and, of
course, Washington. It's a bit of a catch 22 (but there was only
one catch, and that was catch 22...) because, obviously, I want to
use the Tennie for camping! I touched it not at all this summer.

However, I've spent about 24hrs this month to finish the Dynel
fabric. I had to fill the weave. I've used 16 gallons of epoxy so
far--mostly for satrurating and filling the weave! But some for
fillets. Dynel is significantly more abrasion resistant than
fiberglass (as per results with my Makita 7inch disk sander at 60
and 80 grit-- I have to work to cut Dynell, I have to work to not
cut fiberglass) I'm getting ready to epoxy-coal-tar the bottom by
way of bottom paint (Tommorow, and tommorrow, and tomorrow....)

As for squat boards, I built mine with a two and one half foot
extension to the bottom, curved around like a drake tail. I didn't
follow the rocker of the bottom, but recurve back down the last two
feet to follow the waterline--I rather hoped it would help planing.
My original thought was to put the extension to hide the outboard,
but in the undoubted deed I found a very nice diesel for half the
price and went with that. A compromise, most certainly in terms of
draft, as Chester has pointed out, but still only 16inches--not even
up to my knees. What project isn't a compromise, in the end? And
maybe boats even more so. Where I live, shallow draft isn't too
much of a concern (Columbia and Snake rivers). If I lived in
Florida, I'd think twice about it. In fact, the Tennie is such a
brilliantly designed craft that I'd think twice about any
modification--it just adds more time and expense. So be it, now.

Well, I've got just under $5,000 into it and am well over the hump.
Boats aren't cheap! But, let me tell you, I was penurious in every
way--but not cheap, marine ply, good epoxy, etc. I've come away
with alot of respect for big projects. And also about how a big
thing scales up--a Tennie isn't just twice as big as a 17ft kayak,
its proportianally many factors bigger. And who would have thought
that glueing would take so much time? Or sanding? Or cleaning off
dust? Or keeping the dog from peeing on it? Ouch!

OK. I'll try to put up some pictures. I'll try to answer any
questions. I have alot to say about many things. Chester, thank
you for your nice comments about my model, etc. All I can say right
now is that every picture of your boat I find is a totall
inspiration to me. What a lovely thing, in a lovely place. I'm
envious!
Tim

Chester,

Thanks again for the pics, if I ever get her built I will experiment
with different squat board angles, they make a lot of sense to me.
Do you have much occasion to go forward to the bow to set the
anchor? Do you climb over the cabin, go around it, or go to the
forward hatch from within to get there? Also, did he use 1/2" ply or
3/8" ply on the bottom? Are his frames 3/4" or did he opt for 1.5"
frames? Did he add extra bottom strakes or stick with the one keel
as Bolgers plan shows? Hope you don't mind a few questions,
Chester, but I want to get her built right the first time!
-- Dave

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Chester Young" <chester@...> wrote:
>
> Dave:
>
>
>
> I have posted a couple of photos in the Esther Mae album. One
gives a good
> view of the boards with the boat at rest. Note the wire on the
port side;
> it leads to the transducer for the depth sounder. The black crud
is just
> that, crud from having the good fortune to put Esther Mae in the
water
> frequently enough that it grows. The rest of the boat has bottom
paint and
> does not exhibit near the growth that the squat boards do. I have
scrubbed
> the boards on a regular occasion.
>
>
>
> The other photo was standing on the stern looking down while
underway. Note
> the location of the transducer, the force of the water as it flows
under the
> squat boards is enough that the water bubbles up about 6" when
traveling at
> 5mph. I assume that it is even more at higher speed. This
indicates the
> amount of pressure that the squat boards experience, which says
that they
> are functioning as additional hull length. The boards extend
back form the
> stern at an angle slightly downward from the bottom of the boat
itself,
> adding potential lift when at speed.
>
>
>
> I do not know if the boards made a difference once added. The
prior owner,
> died within a week of selling me the boat so I did not have the
chance to
> question him on this. I watched and waited for three years
before he
> would sell. His being sick was the only reason he entertained
selling. He
> called me because I am acquainted with his son and told to let me
know if
> his dad ever wanted to sell. I cannot blame him for holding on to
her for
> so long, who wouldn't?
>
>
>
> Caloosarat
>
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of
> musseler
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 10:18 AM
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Trim tabs on a Tennessee?
>
>
>
> Thanks Caloosarat,
> The "sqat boards" look to be set at an angle with the hull bottom,
> instead of following the hull bottom line, maybe the close-up
> pictures will show more about this. My build of the Tennessee will
> be called "June Marie" after my better half, of course, and I have
> some pictures of the shop & cutout frames posted at
> www.thestorydoctor.com/tpics/JuneMarie.htm If you go to
> www.thestorydoctor.com, be sure to look at the "Virtual Voyager"
> link, most people find this to be extremely useful in planning
> voyages. The "Story Doctor" is my wife's site, and the "Blue
> Heron's Nest" is mine, and is linked to from her front page.
>
> I've never built a boat this large before, and it's going to be a
> challenge for me. I've already got the sides cut out for it, and
> frames 1 through 6, but no assembly of the parts has began. You'll
> notice a 8 foot model of the Tennessee, with a walk-thru cabin
> arrangement, but the boat seems to be too narrow for that, so I'll
> probably go with th standard design and closed cockpit like your
> Esther Mae. Again, thanks for your help.
> --- In bolger@yahoogroups. <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
com, "Chester
> Young" <chester@> wrote:
> >
> > Dave:
> >
> >
> >
> > The objects you have noticed are more correctly called 'squat
> boards'. I do
> > not have the book that described the difference between squat
> boards and
> > trim tabs at hand, but basically it amounts to squat boards not
> having the
> > ability to be adjusted. They were installed by the previous
> owner, I do not
> > know exactly why, but have opted to leave them in place for the
> time being.
> > They create a 1' plus extension to the hull and in no way
> interfere with the
> > operation of Esther Mae. I will attempt to get a better view of
> the boards
> > put in the Esther Mae photo album. Have you posted any photos of
> your
> > build? How about more details on your intended use and the boat
> itself.
> >
> >
> >
> > Caloosarat ~ the happy owner of Esther Mae, even if I did not
> build my own.
> > (But I was considering it before I was able to purchase one).
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: bolger@yahoogroups. <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> com
> [mailto:bolger@yahoogroups. <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> com]
On
> Behalf Of
> > musseler
> > Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 3:39 PM
> > To: bolger@yahoogroups. <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> com
> > Subject: [bolger] Trim tabs on a Tennessee?
> >
> >
> >
> > A couple of issues back, "Messing About In Boats" ran a Bolger
> article
> > on the Tennessee design. In the pictures that accompanied the
> > article, I noticed something had been added to the stern of the
> boat
> > on both sides of the motor. I could not make out what the objects
> > were, but guess they were either homemade trim tabs, or maybe
swim
> > platform steps. Does anyone have an explanation of these? Also, I
> > had some other pictures of the Tennessee, and one of those boats
> (an
> > Aussie boat, I believe) had the same sort of transom additions.
> > Puzzled Dave.........who is now in the process of building a
> Tennessee.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Dave:



I have posted a couple of photos in the Esther Mae album. One gives a good
view of the boards with the boat at rest. Note the wire on the port side;
it leads to the transducer for the depth sounder. The black crud is just
that, crud from having the good fortune to put Esther Mae in the water
frequently enough that it grows. The rest of the boat has bottom paint and
does not exhibit near the growth that the squat boards do. I have scrubbed
the boards on a regular occasion.



The other photo was standing on the stern looking down while underway. Note
the location of the transducer, the force of the water as it flows under the
squat boards is enough that the water bubbles up about 6" when traveling at
5mph. I assume that it is even more at higher speed. This indicates the
amount of pressure that the squat boards experience, which says that they
are functioning as additional hull length. The boards extend back form the
stern at an angle slightly downward from the bottom of the boat itself,
adding potential lift when at speed.



I do not know if the boards made a difference once added. The prior owner,
died within a week of selling me the boat so I did not have the chance to
question him on this. I watched and waited for three years before he
would sell. His being sick was the only reason he entertained selling. He
called me because I am acquainted with his son and told to let me know if
his dad ever wanted to sell. I cannot blame him for holding on to her for
so long, who wouldn't?



Caloosarat





_____

From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
musseler
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 10:18 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Trim tabs on a Tennessee?



Thanks Caloosarat,
The "sqat boards" look to be set at an angle with the hull bottom,
instead of following the hull bottom line, maybe the close-up
pictures will show more about this. My build of the Tennessee will
be called "June Marie" after my better half, of course, and I have
some pictures of the shop & cutout frames posted at
www.thestorydoctor.com/tpics/JuneMarie.htm If you go to
www.thestorydoctor.com, be sure to look at the "Virtual Voyager"
link, most people find this to be extremely useful in planning
voyages. The "Story Doctor" is my wife's site, and the "Blue
Heron's Nest" is mine, and is linked to from her front page.

I've never built a boat this large before, and it's going to be a
challenge for me. I've already got the sides cut out for it, and
frames 1 through 6, but no assembly of the parts has began. You'll
notice a 8 foot model of the Tennessee, with a walk-thru cabin
arrangement, but the boat seems to be too narrow for that, so I'll
probably go with th standard design and closed cockpit like your
Esther Mae. Again, thanks for your help.
--- In bolger@yahoogroups. <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> com, "Chester
Young" <chester@...> wrote:

>
> Dave:
>
>
>
> The objects you have noticed are more correctly called 'squat

boards'. I do

> not have the book that described the difference between squat

boards and

> trim tabs at hand, but basically it amounts to squat boards not

having the

> ability to be adjusted. They were installed by the previous

owner, I do not

> know exactly why, but have opted to leave them in place for the

time being.

> They create a 1' plus extension to the hull and in no way

interfere with the

> operation of Esther Mae. I will attempt to get a better view of

the boards

> put in the Esther Mae photo album. Have you posted any photos of

your

> build? How about more details on your intended use and the boat

itself.

>
>
>
> Caloosarat ~ the happy owner of Esther Mae, even if I did not

build my own.

> (But I was considering it before I was able to purchase one).
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: bolger@yahoogroups. <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> com

[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups. <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> com] On
Behalf Of

> musseler
> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 3:39 PM
> To: bolger@yahoogroups. <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> com
> Subject: [bolger] Trim tabs on a Tennessee?
>
>
>
> A couple of issues back, "Messing About In Boats" ran a Bolger

article

> on the Tennessee design. In the pictures that accompanied the
> article, I noticed something had been added to the stern of the

boat

> on both sides of the motor. I could not make out what the objects
> were, but guess they were either homemade trim tabs, or maybe swim
> platform steps. Does anyone have an explanation of these? Also, I
> had some other pictures of the Tennessee, and one of those boats

(an

> Aussie boat, I believe) had the same sort of transom additions.
> Puzzled Dave.........who is now in the process of building a

Tennessee.

>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thanks Caloosarat,
The "sqat boards" look to be set at an angle with the hull bottom,
instead of following the hull bottom line, maybe the close-up
pictures will show more about this. My build of the Tennessee will
be called "June Marie" after my better half, of course, and I have
some pictures of the shop & cutout frames posted at
www.thestorydoctor.com/tpics/JuneMarie.htm If you go to
www.thestorydoctor.com, be sure to look at the "Virtual Voyager"
link, most people find this to be extremely useful in planning
voyages. The "Story Doctor" is my wife's site, and the "Blue
Heron's Nest" is mine, and is linked to from her front page.

I've never built a boat this large before, and it's going to be a
challenge for me. I've already got the sides cut out for it, and
frames 1 through 6, but no assembly of the parts has began. You'll
notice a 8 foot model of the Tennessee, with a walk-thru cabin
arrangement, but the boat seems to be too narrow for that, so I'll
probably go with th standard design and closed cockpit like your
Esther Mae. Again, thanks for your help.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Chester Young" <chester@...> wrote:
>
> Dave:
>
>
>
> The objects you have noticed are more correctly called 'squat
boards'. I do
> not have the book that described the difference between squat
boards and
> trim tabs at hand, but basically it amounts to squat boards not
having the
> ability to be adjusted. They were installed by the previous
owner, I do not
> know exactly why, but have opted to leave them in place for the
time being.
> They create a 1' plus extension to the hull and in no way
interfere with the
> operation of Esther Mae. I will attempt to get a better view of
the boards
> put in the Esther Mae photo album. Have you posted any photos of
your
> build? How about more details on your intended use and the boat
itself.
>
>
>
> Caloosarat ~ the happy owner of Esther Mae, even if I did not
build my own.
> (But I was considering it before I was able to purchase one).
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of
> musseler
> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 3:39 PM
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] Trim tabs on a Tennessee?
>
>
>
> A couple of issues back, "Messing About In Boats" ran a Bolger
article
> on the Tennessee design. In the pictures that accompanied the
> article, I noticed something had been added to the stern of the
boat
> on both sides of the motor. I could not make out what the objects
> were, but guess they were either homemade trim tabs, or maybe swim
> platform steps. Does anyone have an explanation of these? Also, I
> had some other pictures of the Tennessee, and one of those boats
(an
> Aussie boat, I believe) had the same sort of transom additions.
> Puzzled Dave.........who is now in the process of building a
Tennessee.
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Dave:



The objects you have noticed are more correctly called 'squat boards'. I do
not have the book that described the difference between squat boards and
trim tabs at hand, but basically it amounts to squat boards not having the
ability to be adjusted. They were installed by the previous owner, I do not
know exactly why, but have opted to leave them in place for the time being.
They create a 1' plus extension to the hull and in no way interfere with the
operation of Esther Mae. I will attempt to get a better view of the boards
put in the Esther Mae photo album. Have you posted any photos of your
build? How about more details on your intended use and the boat itself.



Caloosarat ~ the happy owner of Esther Mae, even if I did not build my own.
(But I was considering it before I was able to purchase one).



_____

From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
musseler
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 3:39 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Trim tabs on a Tennessee?



A couple of issues back, "Messing About In Boats" ran a Bolger article
on the Tennessee design. In the pictures that accompanied the
article, I noticed something had been added to the stern of the boat
on both sides of the motor. I could not make out what the objects
were, but guess they were either homemade trim tabs, or maybe swim
platform steps. Does anyone have an explanation of these? Also, I
had some other pictures of the Tennessee, and one of those boats (an
Aussie boat, I believe) had the same sort of transom additions.
Puzzled Dave.........who is now in the process of building a Tennessee.





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

A couple of issues back, "Messing About In Boats" ran a Bolger article
on the Tennessee design. In the pictures that accompanied the
article, I noticed something had been added to the stern of the boat
on both sides of the motor. I could not make out what the objects
were, but guess they were either homemade trim tabs, or maybe swim
platform steps. Does anyone have an explanation of these? Also, I
had some other pictures of the Tennessee, and one of those boats (an
Aussie boat, I believe) had the same sort of transom additions.
Puzzled Dave.........who is now in the process of building a Tennessee.