Re: [bolger] Re: Ready to start a Micro
My plan is to simply use the bulkheads as designed, and yes, my boat will come
out 1/4" wider and 1/4" longer, but Bolger states directly on the plans that the
boat can be built out of either 1/4 or 3/8ths, and besides, I can't believe that
this small additional change will make any noticeable difference.....
Glen
"Vance Cowan" <vcgraphics@...> on 06/12/2000 03:19:07 PM
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Subject: [bolger] Re: Ready to start a Micro
out 1/4" wider and 1/4" longer, but Bolger states directly on the plans that the
boat can be built out of either 1/4 or 3/8ths, and besides, I can't believe that
this small additional change will make any noticeable difference.....
Glen
"Vance Cowan" <vcgraphics@...> on 06/12/2000 03:19:07 PM
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Subject: [bolger] Re: Ready to start a Micro
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, glen_gibson@3... wrote:
> I haven't started on the hull yet ...
And neither have I. Long ago I bought my plans through Elrow
LaRowe's advertisement in Woodenboat,and received them
from Bernie Wolford, so it was just as the CSD change took
place. I got the basic set of plans, no "spar making pamphlet",
etc., and have seen no upgrades.
I learned about Bolger's new ply thickness recommendations
from this group and other sources, but I am still unclear about
how these should be applied.
The lines are drawn to the outside of planking. Conventional
practice when adding thickness is to reduce the size of the
molds (in this case the bulkheads/frames) thus keeping volume
the same. Is this necessary with Micro?
I may never build the boat, but I am curious about this and
suppose that others are too.
Vance,
Kiln drying in Tucson
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John,
Thanks much for a lot of good info.
Surprisingly enough, on a general basis, everyone seems mostly in agreement.
I thought I was really going to get a mixing pot of answers.
Les
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From: John Bell [mailto:jmbell@...]
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2000 1:21 PM
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Subject: [bolger] Re: Ready to start a Micro
Thanks much for a lot of good info.
Surprisingly enough, on a general basis, everyone seems mostly in agreement.
I thought I was really going to get a mixing pot of answers.
Les
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From: John Bell [mailto:jmbell@...]
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2000 1:21 PM
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Subject: [bolger] Re: Ready to start a Micro
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, les@e... wrote:
>
> So from the structural standpoint:
>
> 1) Is the 1/4" construction really enough? Or should I go to 3/8"?
> Should the bottom be heavier still? What about the sides? I want
to
> strike a balance between two building extremes (as I see it, cheap
> and maybe flimsy or tank and expensive). This boat will sit at our
> county dock amongst the commercial boats. I'm not after a 'yacht'
> but I do want a safe and nice looking boat.
When I asked Bolger this question, he said they are now recommending
3/8" ply for decks and topsides and 1/2" for the bottom. This is how
I'm doing mine.
I talked to a 10 year Micro owner this weekend who built his out of
1/4" per the original scantlings who told me he thought going thicker
was overkill.
The one structural mod everyone seems to agree on is to add
additional deckbeams or stringers to support the decks in the way of
the cockpit and raised deck.
> Pertaining to the layout:
>
> 1) I am undecided about closing in the bow for more inside storage
or
> leaving it open (free flooding) for anchor, rode, lines, fenders,
> etc. Any thoughts on this?
I'm told the front well is a great place to take a shower. I've also
heard that it offers good, safe place to work when reefing the main
and while handling anchoring duties.
> 2) Quite a few of you seem to prefer a more traditional closed
> cockpit and I'm leaning this direction as well. Any big negatives?
No opinion here. I'm probably going to build as designed.
> Any chance that someone on the list has a Micro within a reasonable
> distance of me (maybe 100 to 150 miles) that I could see in
person.
> I've only seen the boat in pictures and plans and at this point
> contruction is a leap of faith; one I'll take BTW :-)
Seeing one in person is a real eye-opener. I just got back from
seeing Stan Muller's last Friday. It's a lot of boat! I can't wait to
get mine finished!
Best,
John Bell
Kennesaw, GA
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--- Inbolger@egroups.com, les@e... wrote:
3/8" ply for decks and topsides and 1/2" for the bottom. This is how
I'm doing mine.
I talked to a 10 year Micro owner this weekend who built his out of
1/4" per the original scantlings who told me he thought going thicker
was overkill.
The one structural mod everyone seems to agree on is to add
additional deckbeams or stringers to support the decks in the way of
the cockpit and raised deck.
heard that it offers good, safe place to work when reefing the main
and while handling anchoring duties.
seeing Stan Muller's last Friday. It's a lot of boat! I can't wait to
get mine finished!
Best,
John Bell
Kennesaw, GA
>to
> So from the structural standpoint:
>
> 1) Is the 1/4" construction really enough? Or should I go to 3/8"?
> Should the bottom be heavier still? What about the sides? I want
> strike a balance between two building extremes (as I see it, cheapWhen I asked Bolger this question, he said they are now recommending
> and maybe flimsy or tank and expensive). This boat will sit at our
> county dock amongst the commercial boats. I'm not after a 'yacht'
> but I do want a safe and nice looking boat.
3/8" ply for decks and topsides and 1/2" for the bottom. This is how
I'm doing mine.
I talked to a 10 year Micro owner this weekend who built his out of
1/4" per the original scantlings who told me he thought going thicker
was overkill.
The one structural mod everyone seems to agree on is to add
additional deckbeams or stringers to support the decks in the way of
the cockpit and raised deck.
> Pertaining to the layout:or
>
> 1) I am undecided about closing in the bow for more inside storage
> leaving it open (free flooding) for anchor, rode, lines, fenders,I'm told the front well is a great place to take a shower. I've also
> etc. Any thoughts on this?
heard that it offers good, safe place to work when reefing the main
and while handling anchoring duties.
> 2) Quite a few of you seem to prefer a more traditional closedNo opinion here. I'm probably going to build as designed.
> cockpit and I'm leaning this direction as well. Any big negatives?
> Any chance that someone on the list has a Micro within a reasonableperson.
> distance of me (maybe 100 to 150 miles) that I could see in
> I've only seen the boat in pictures and plans and at this pointSeeing one in person is a real eye-opener. I just got back from
> contruction is a leap of faith; one I'll take BTW :-)
seeing Stan Muller's last Friday. It's a lot of boat! I can't wait to
get mine finished!
Best,
John Bell
Kennesaw, GA
Well here goes. I've only had the plans since May of 1997 (last
century for goodness sake!). I'm located in the Puget Sound region
of Washington State at the north end of Whidbey Island. I'm right at
Deception Pass about 10 miles north of Oak Harbor. The boat will be
moored and daysailed in Cornet Bay and cruised around the San Juan
Islands and beyond.
I've been combing the web for information before starting my version
of Micro and trying to run down varying opinions as to how certain
things should (may) be done. I've tried searching the contents of
the Bolger egroups postings only to get 1850 returns. Take longer to
sort that out than build the boat :-)
I'm not planning on any radical changes. My questions center around
two issues; structural considerations and layout.
So from the structural standpoint:
1) Is the 1/4" construction really enough? Or should I go to 3/8"?
Should the bottom be heavier still? What about the sides? I want to
strike a balance between two building extremes (as I see it, cheap
and maybe flimsy or tank and expensive). This boat will sit at our
county dock amongst the commercial boats. I'm not after a 'yacht'
but I do want a safe and nice looking boat.
Pertaining to the layout:
1) I am undecided about closing in the bow for more inside storage or
leaving it open (free flooding) for anchor, rode, lines, fenders,
etc. Any thoughts on this?
2) Quite a few of you seem to prefer a more traditional closed
cockpit and I'm leaning this direction as well. Any big negatives?
I've gained much from the list already and want to thank you all for
taking the time to post and share your ideas and thoughts.
Any chance that someone on the list has a Micro within a reasonable
distance of me (maybe 100 to 150 miles) that I could see in person.
I've only seen the boat in pictures and plans and at this point
contruction is a leap of faith; one I'll take BTW :-)
Best to all and thanks,
Les Lampman
century for goodness sake!). I'm located in the Puget Sound region
of Washington State at the north end of Whidbey Island. I'm right at
Deception Pass about 10 miles north of Oak Harbor. The boat will be
moored and daysailed in Cornet Bay and cruised around the San Juan
Islands and beyond.
I've been combing the web for information before starting my version
of Micro and trying to run down varying opinions as to how certain
things should (may) be done. I've tried searching the contents of
the Bolger egroups postings only to get 1850 returns. Take longer to
sort that out than build the boat :-)
I'm not planning on any radical changes. My questions center around
two issues; structural considerations and layout.
So from the structural standpoint:
1) Is the 1/4" construction really enough? Or should I go to 3/8"?
Should the bottom be heavier still? What about the sides? I want to
strike a balance between two building extremes (as I see it, cheap
and maybe flimsy or tank and expensive). This boat will sit at our
county dock amongst the commercial boats. I'm not after a 'yacht'
but I do want a safe and nice looking boat.
Pertaining to the layout:
1) I am undecided about closing in the bow for more inside storage or
leaving it open (free flooding) for anchor, rode, lines, fenders,
etc. Any thoughts on this?
2) Quite a few of you seem to prefer a more traditional closed
cockpit and I'm leaning this direction as well. Any big negatives?
I've gained much from the list already and want to thank you all for
taking the time to post and share your ideas and thoughts.
Any chance that someone on the list has a Micro within a reasonable
distance of me (maybe 100 to 150 miles) that I could see in person.
I've only seen the boat in pictures and plans and at this point
contruction is a leap of faith; one I'll take BTW :-)
Best to all and thanks,
Les Lampman