RE: [bolger] Outdrives
Harry,
There was a marine conversion of the VW Rabbit diesel called Pathfinder ...
don't know if they're still around or not. Sounds like the Go Devil would
give you simplicity, shallow water capability and a novel looking boat ...
all in one!
Les
-----Original Message-----
From: Harry W. James [mailto:welshman@...]
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2000 7:46 PM
To:bolger@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Outdrives
When I was fishing in Western AK I did all my own hydraulic work for net
reels and
beater bars using Northern Hydraulic parts. Cost was reasonable at the 10 HP
level.
At the 50-60 HP level were talking enough money that there has to be a very
definite
requirement that can't be solved any other way.
My interest in this outdrive is it is a simple bolt a prop on the end of a
crank
solution, almost as simple as a prop shaft, that would have a better shallow
water
capability than a prop shaft.
I have seen the Go Devils in Thailand. A big V 8 balanced on the back of a
boat with
a tiller handle out the front and a prop shaft out the back is something to
see. I
think that there was one in a James Bond flick.
I have been thinking of a diesel , but my thought was to see if I could make
a
marine conversion of a VW diesel rabbit engine.
HJ
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There was a marine conversion of the VW Rabbit diesel called Pathfinder ...
don't know if they're still around or not. Sounds like the Go Devil would
give you simplicity, shallow water capability and a novel looking boat ...
all in one!
Les
-----Original Message-----
From: Harry W. James [mailto:welshman@...]
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2000 7:46 PM
To:bolger@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Outdrives
When I was fishing in Western AK I did all my own hydraulic work for net
reels and
beater bars using Northern Hydraulic parts. Cost was reasonable at the 10 HP
level.
At the 50-60 HP level were talking enough money that there has to be a very
definite
requirement that can't be solved any other way.
My interest in this outdrive is it is a simple bolt a prop on the end of a
crank
solution, almost as simple as a prop shaft, that would have a better shallow
water
capability than a prop shaft.
I have seen the Go Devils in Thailand. A big V 8 balanced on the back of a
boat with
a tiller handle out the front and a prop shaft out the back is something to
see. I
think that there was one in a James Bond flick.
I have been thinking of a diesel , but my thought was to see if I could make
a
marine conversion of a VW diesel rabbit engine.
HJ
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Harry James wrote; > I have been thinking of a diesel , but my thought
was to see if I could make a
If your thinking about a diesel, you may want to consider the little
Mercedes, 4 cylinder, 52 HP, water cooled, engine used in the
refrigeration units on 18 wheelers. It's approximately 14 inches wide,
18 inches tall, and 24 inches long., and weighs about 160 pounds. My son
bought one with a bad compressor that still runs like a top.
He is bringing it here at the end of the month, so I'll be able to
better describe it then. Heaven only knows what I'll use it for, maybe a
larger version of Bolger's canal boat, with a paddle wheel, of course.
;-)
All the best, Stan Micro Tugger, Snow Goose.
was to see if I could make a
> marine conversion of a VW diesel rabbit engine.Hi Harry,
>
If your thinking about a diesel, you may want to consider the little
Mercedes, 4 cylinder, 52 HP, water cooled, engine used in the
refrigeration units on 18 wheelers. It's approximately 14 inches wide,
18 inches tall, and 24 inches long., and weighs about 160 pounds. My son
bought one with a bad compressor that still runs like a top.
He is bringing it here at the end of the month, so I'll be able to
better describe it then. Heaven only knows what I'll use it for, maybe a
larger version of Bolger's canal boat, with a paddle wheel, of course.
;-)
All the best, Stan Micro Tugger, Snow Goose.
When I was fishing in Western AK I did all my own hydraulic work for net reels and
beater bars using Northern Hydraulic parts. Cost was reasonable at the 10 HP level.
At the 50-60 HP level were talking enough money that there has to be a very definite
requirement that can't be solved any other way.
My interest in this outdrive is it is a simple bolt a prop on the end of a crank
solution, almost as simple as a prop shaft, that would have a better shallow water
capability than a prop shaft.
I have seen the Go Devils in Thailand. A big V 8 balanced on the back of a boat with
a tiller handle out the front and a prop shaft out the back is something to see. I
think that there was one in a James Bond flick.
I have been thinking of a diesel , but my thought was to see if I could make a
marine conversion of a VW diesel rabbit engine.
HJ
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beater bars using Northern Hydraulic parts. Cost was reasonable at the 10 HP level.
At the 50-60 HP level were talking enough money that there has to be a very definite
requirement that can't be solved any other way.
My interest in this outdrive is it is a simple bolt a prop on the end of a crank
solution, almost as simple as a prop shaft, that would have a better shallow water
capability than a prop shaft.
I have seen the Go Devils in Thailand. A big V 8 balanced on the back of a boat with
a tiller handle out the front and a prop shaft out the back is something to see. I
think that there was one in a James Bond flick.
I have been thinking of a diesel , but my thought was to see if I could make a
marine conversion of a VW diesel rabbit engine.
HJ
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From: "Harry W. James" <welshman@...>
load nearly every day at their plant here in
Stillwater. The starter and alternator are basicly
automotive units with screens to keep them from
starting a fire. They hop up a 180 Hp Chevy to 250 hp
and away it goes.
For pleasure use that might be OK but if I was useing
the boat every day I would be much happier with the
engin set up to put out 90 to 100 Hp.
Gordon
Gordon Cougergcouger@...
Stillwater, OK www.couger.com/gcouger
405 624-2855 GMT -6:00
> Les Lampman wrote:and OSCO manifolds, marine
>
> > I'll be darned! I didn't know NAPA carried Barr
> > carbs, marine starters, marine alternators,stainless marine water pumps,
> > and all that jazz!I'm pulling your chain! I'm
> >
> > And before you roast me with a flamethrower ...
> > a Honda outboard dealer :-)would consider owning.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Les
>
> The honda four stroke is one of the few outboards I
>you would be amazed at how
> As for the marine pumps etc. that are on a outdrive,
> much of it is stock automotive.Mercury Marine gets Chevy short blocks by the truck
load nearly every day at their plant here in
Stillwater. The starter and alternator are basicly
automotive units with screens to keep them from
starting a fire. They hop up a 180 Hp Chevy to 250 hp
and away it goes.
For pleasure use that might be OK but if I was useing
the boat every day I would be much happier with the
engin set up to put out 90 to 100 Hp.
Gordon
Gordon Cougergcouger@...
Stillwater, OK www.couger.com/gcouger
405 624-2855 GMT -6:00
Les Lampman wrote:
As for the marine pumps etc. that are on a outdrive, you would be amazed at how
much of it is stock automotive.
HJ
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> I'll be darned! I didn't know NAPA carried Barr and OSCO manifolds, marineThe honda four stroke is one of the few outboards I would consider owning.
> carbs, marine starters, marine alternators, stainless marine water pumps,
> and all that jazz!
>
> And before you roast me with a flamethrower ... I'm pulling your chain! I'm
> a Honda outboard dealer :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Les
As for the marine pumps etc. that are on a outdrive, you would be amazed at how
much of it is stock automotive.
HJ
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Dewhurst" <dewhurst@...>
>
> Have you thought about a hydraulic drive? Completely variable propellor
> speed at constant engine speed, variable engine speed at constant
propellor
> speed, everything variable forward and reverse. And you can put the motor
> anywhere in the boat!
>
I have thought about it a lot. The plus side is no transmission if you use
a hydostatic pump and no limts on how it is installed. The down side is
a large loss of effecency, leaks, subject to total failure with no warning
and
it presents a considerble fire hazard. It is also rather expensive.
Gordon
Gordon Cougergcouger@...
Stillwater, OK www.couger.com/gcouger
405 624-2855 GMT -6:00
From: "Harry W. James" <welshman@...>
boat would plane a lot easier and be faster.
I wish I had thought of that. You could add another CV joint and keep the
prop at any angle you wanted. Insted of having it push the bow down.
It is a really elegant design and the only flaws I can see are pusing the
bow down a little and sticking out back to get in the way of fishing. But
it is not much if any worse than out boards or stern drives.
It would be a nice match with Bolger's crusier that used an air cooled
diesel.
This would not be hard to build from scratch. Just take the front axle
out of front wheel drive car build a mount and cover it with a boot.
cut the bottom off an outboard motor to get the prop mount and
you should be in business.
I wouldn't try to make the prop angle adjustable from the console but
I would make it where it could be adjusted with a wrench. The top
plate could be much smaller if you were going to run in deep water
all the time.
http://www.go-devil.com/Is this idea take to the extreem. Just an
engine and a shaft. Actualy this is the style outboard they use in
Asia and probably where the idea came from.
Gordon
Gordon Cougergcouger@...
Stillwater, OK www.couger.com/gcouger
405 624-2855 GMT -6:00
> Tim of the Flying Tadpolenew
>
> While thundering around the web I ran across this Australian link for a
> variation on an out drive.http://dbdmarine.com/.I have a very strongpersonal
> bias against outboards. I like the thought of a good automotive block thatyou
> can get parts for at any NAPA store, even in Nome AK, and I have worked alot
> with both Mercruisers and Volvo outdrives. This concept looks like it getsaway
> from a lot of the problems of outdrives, (cost, reliability), whileretaining
> lot of the advantages. Recognizing the fact that just because itsAustralian,
> doesn't mean that your neighbors, have any of the Duck Flat boys withtheir
> Tennessee's, Dakotas and Wyomings looked at this yet.style
>
> I have been entertaining a design in my head combining Gerrs' Summer Kyle
> tunnel prop combined with a Bolger power sharpie, box keel. I drew one outwith
> plyboats and it looks like it would work. This outdrive idea of dbd marinewould
> be a much better solution.Yes it would give you back the area you loose for the tunnel so the
>
boat would plane a lot easier and be faster.
I wish I had thought of that. You could add another CV joint and keep the
prop at any angle you wanted. Insted of having it push the bow down.
It is a really elegant design and the only flaws I can see are pusing the
bow down a little and sticking out back to get in the way of fishing. But
it is not much if any worse than out boards or stern drives.
It would be a nice match with Bolger's crusier that used an air cooled
diesel.
This would not be hard to build from scratch. Just take the front axle
out of front wheel drive car build a mount and cover it with a boot.
cut the bottom off an outboard motor to get the prop mount and
you should be in business.
I wouldn't try to make the prop angle adjustable from the console but
I would make it where it could be adjusted with a wrench. The top
plate could be much smaller if you were going to run in deep water
all the time.
http://www.go-devil.com/Is this idea take to the extreem. Just an
engine and a shaft. Actualy this is the style outboard they use in
Asia and probably where the idea came from.
Gordon
Gordon Cougergcouger@...
Stillwater, OK www.couger.com/gcouger
405 624-2855 GMT -6:00
At 13:10 11/06/00 -0800, you wrote:
speed at constant engine speed, variable engine speed at constant propellor
speed, everything variable forward and reverse. And you can put the motor
anywhere in the boat!
R
>Tim of the Flying Tadpolewould
>
>While thundering around the web I ran across this Australian link for a new
>variation on an out drive.http://dbdmarine.com/.I have a very strong personal
>bias against outboards. I like the thought of a good automotive block that you
>can get parts for at any NAPA store, even in Nome AK, and I have worked a lot
>with both Mercruisers and Volvo outdrives. This concept looks like it gets away
>from a lot of the problems of outdrives, (cost, reliability), while retaining
>lot of the advantages. Recognizing the fact that just because its Australian,
>doesn't mean that your neighbors, have any of the Duck Flat boys with their
>Tennessee's, Dakotas and Wyomings looked at this yet.
>
>I have been entertaining a design in my head combining Gerrs' Summer Kyle style
>tunnel prop combined with a Bolger power sharpie, box keel. I drew one out with
>plyboats and it looks like it would work. This outdrive idea of dbd marine
>be a much better solution.Have you thought about a hydraulic drive? Completely variable propellor
>
speed at constant engine speed, variable engine speed at constant propellor
speed, everything variable forward and reverse. And you can put the motor
anywhere in the boat!
R