FYI Bamboo

An article in the Sunday magazine comments on both the green and chic
aspects with a little on the material properties of bamboo.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/05/magazine/05wwln_consumed.html


Not much supply known in my neighborhood, so these vendors caught my
interest.

1 x 4 flooring and mats
http://www.bamboosupply.net/default.htm


Poles and sheets + Barry digs Burning Man
http://bamboobarry.com/us/index.htm#

6 more for poles and lumber
http://www.ez4search.com/search.php?searchname=bamboo



Important notes on species
http://www.friend.ly.net/~dadadata/n_the_other.html

The caption here is, "10 meter woven bamboo boat. With retractable
rudder. '60's"
http://www.vietnamboats.org/Photos2/wovento10m.jpg









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Flashback time.

Reminds me of the quick and dirty boatbuilding contests at the woodenboat shows of the early to mid eighties. "six 2x4's, two and a half sheets of 1/4" lauan, and all the Sikaflex 241 you can use." Some boats were built in about an hour, others took close to four. The last day of the show there was a race, in which a lot of people got wet.

A good time was had by all

Allan,
in the hills



> I am imagining plywood lapstrake construction similar to I used on Cartoon 5.
>
> With, rib/molds, like Bolger designed with Spur II
>
> It really is (can be) a fast way to build a boat.
>
> Ply/lapstrake certainly is a forgiving way to build a boat, with a
> very high tolerance for sloppy work! (good for me)
>
>http://sports.webshots.com/album/360982713bZwutE
>
> I can't recall exactly, but that 16 foot boat took roughly 60 hours
> 'spare time' and was finished in less than one month.
>
> A 20 foot boat, similarly built, shouldn't take more than twice that
> effort, I figure.
Valgerda is a Hardanger faering, with some little changes (plywood
planking, ballast keel) from the Atkins. "Faering" means four-oared boat,
so there's probably a lot of variation in the designs of boats so named,
but the Hardanger faering is traditionally planked with a few very wide
planks, longships were built with many narrow planks. It makes a
difference in the sections and the ends. A wide-plank faering was found
inside one of the Viking burial ships, so they were building boats with
wide and narrow planks in the Viking age. That old faering doesn't look
much different in hull shape from the Valgerda sitting in my shop! Of
course it'd be impossible to build a longship with just a few planks per
side, since the planks would have to be really, really wide! <g> But the
necessity of using many relatively narrow strakes also allowed the Viking
shipbuilders to put more shape into their longships.

On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 14:28:26 -0800, Mark A wrote:

> ...
> #572 does look wonderful. Here's JK's link to Atkin's Valgerda, a
> similar concept in about the size you mention. Not as lovely as the
> Bolger but maybe there are some clues here as to proportion and to
> fitting out.
>http://www.boat-links.com/Atkinco/Sail/Valgerda.html

--
John <jkohnen@...>
One boat just leads to another. <John Kohnen>
>Bruce Hector

Bruce went with a faering I think, but not before considering the
fun of the only built #572 he found. MuWie is still in use as a
tourist passenger vessel. Do rowers pay more for a ticket than non-
rowers?

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/43246see the links
at message bottom.

At the "Grune Flotte" button or URL click on MuWie or in
English, "Muwi". The photos showing Muwi aren't as many or as large
as the site used to have. I seem to recall there used to be a good
one of Viking waterfighters raiding.

Graeme


--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@...> wrote:
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@> wrote:

> > Heck, a 16 foot viking longship would be fun too.
> >
> I am sure that is the group that commissioned the plans and Bruce
> Hector stopped in to visit them once when he was pillaging in the
> lower 48.
Here is a link to some others

http://home.online.no/~joeolavl/viking/index.htm

You see lots of the faerings in Scandenavia. One place I visited had
them available free to try out by visiters but it was really pouring
when we were there.

http://home.online.no/~joeolavl/viking/index.htm

Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
>
> > "Yah sure you da betch Yah! Oly, Sweven, Goutson, and
> > I can kick it out is a few weekends".....
>
> I am imagining plywood lapstrake construction similar to I used on
Cartoon 5.
>
> With, rib/molds, like Bolger designed with Spur II
>
> It really is (can be) a fast way to build a boat.
>
> Ply/lapstrake certainly is a forgiving way to build a boat, with a
> very high tolerance for sloppy work! (good for me)
>
>http://sports.webshots.com/album/360982713bZwutE
>
> I can't recall exactly, but that 16 foot boat took roughly 60 hours
> 'spare time' and was finished in less than one month.
>
> A 20 foot boat, similarly built, shouldn't take more than twice that
> effort, I figure.
>
> Heck, a 16 foot viking longship would be fun too.
>

Whatever you do - don't put a rudder on it! Storboard only - otherwise
it is a cheap celtic rip off;-)

I am sure that is the group that commissioned the plans and Bruce
Hector stopped in to visit them once when he was pillaging in the
lower 48.

Nels
> "Yah sure you da betch Yah! Oly, Sweven, Goutson, and
> I can kick it out is a few weekends".....

I am imagining plywood lapstrake construction similar to I used on Cartoon 5.

With, rib/molds, like Bolger designed with Spur II

It really is (can be) a fast way to build a boat.

Ply/lapstrake certainly is a forgiving way to build a boat, with a
very high tolerance for sloppy work! (good for me)

http://sports.webshots.com/album/360982713bZwutE

I can't recall exactly, but that 16 foot boat took roughly 60 hours
'spare time' and was finished in less than one month.

A 20 foot boat, similarly built, shouldn't take more than twice that
effort, I figure.

Heck, a 16 foot viking longship would be fun too.
> In case anybody is curious, here are what the
> strakes to Bolger #572,
> Viking Longship look like.
>
> A 38 ft boat is a bit much to whip out in a weekend,
> but I bet that a
> 20 foot plystrake version would build quick, row and
> sail superbly and
> make a heck of a fun day boat!

"Yah sure you da betch Yah! Oly, Sweven, Goutson, and
I can kick it out is a few weekends"..... I use to
work with some old square heads, they all were a hoot
to work with! They could make make some of the most
nasty jobs become almost enjoyable! There is also a
fair amount of Viking blood in my family as well.

I watched Oly and Goutsom fit and install a boat plank
faster with hand tools then you could with power
tools. Those two old farts use to race the young guys
to see who was buying the beer Friday after work. The
rules were easy the one with the least number of feet
installed had to buy the first round of beer.

But mind you the boats these guys were working on were
36 feet and up work boats. Some of the planks were
4x10 or 12, by 20 to 40 feet long at times. Yes big
stuff.

The sad part is the old guys I use to talk with as a
kid and watch them work the wood are all gone. To them
working wood was an art form.

Blessings all! Kristine



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On Nov 3, 2006, at 3:08 PM, Bruce Hallman wrote:
>
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/hallman/sets/72157594359365073/
> For images of a paper model.

These show very clearly how fine the ends are. Freeship says the
prismatic coefficient is just .3209. Guess you'll have to call yours
'Slipper.'
I hoped to see what the righting moments are on various proportions
but haven't found that in the program yet.

At 20 feet, this'd be a big, big canoe.
>

> Bolger rules!!!
> - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging
> dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred'
> posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
> 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
> #572 does look wonderful.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/hallman/sets/72157594359365073/

For images of a paper model.
There's no credit to Phil Bolger on the site. Did they rejuvenate one
they had?

#572 does look wonderful. Here's JK's link to Atkin's Valgerda, a
similar concept in about the size you mention. Not as lovely as the
Bolger but maybe there are some clues here as to proportion and to
fitting out.
http://www.boat-links.com/Atkinco/Sail/Valgerda.html


On Nov 2, 2006, at 12:56 PM, Bruce Hallman wrote:

> Is this website about Bolger's Viking Longship design #572?
>
>http://rholtz.home.texas.net/Progress/Progress.htm
>
> Here is the MAIB article, lines and my Freeship model
>
>http://hallman.org/bolger/572/572Longship.png
>http://hallman.org/bolger/572/572VikingLongshipArticle.png
>http://hallman.org/bolger/572/572Longship.fbm
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging
> dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred'
> posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
> 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
http://hallman.org/bolger/572/Strakes.png

In case anybody is curious, here are what the strakes to Bolger #572,
Viking Longship look like.

A 38 ft boat is a bit much to whip out in a weekend, but I bet that a
20 foot plystrake version would build quick, row and sail superbly and
make a heck of a fun day boat!