Re: Cartoon 40

Mark:
Yes, the 19'6" version. Like I said, a sweet ride. 
Suzanne, I don't hnow if you remember, but the only boat that I've ever been on that handled as well is Spartina, which you took me for a rIde on in 1993.

Gary

Oooh. The 19' 6" version, I presume.

If it helps, SBJ #64, Jan 1989. The text reads as though he'd worked it out for that writer, Milton Patrie, with whatever lead time it took for publication.

Have ffun!
Mark

Suzanne:

I'llroot around and see if I can find the design number. It was designed in the late 80s or early 90s for Small Boat Journal; I think I got the plans in 91 or 92 because I began building in 92.  I'd guess the number is low to mid 500s to low 600s, maybe a bit higher.

On ventillation, I plan, aside from water ballast, to have a big battery or two low down which, among other things, will power some fans tucked up in the corners of the raised cabins. There will be at least one opening in each side of the raised cabin. The original plan called for raised oarlocks  for the 12-foot oars, and in this case, I'll cut the oarports at the proper height in the sides -- with waterproof covers. These can be opened in benign conditions.

There is a reason for my preferece for this hull with a Birdwatcher cabin. Partially it's because I find myself getting more tired after a long day in the Florida sun than when I was a bit younger. But more importantly, my wife's skin reacts badly to too much sun, a tendency that is aggravated by a medication she takes. And of all my boats she's been on, C40 was by far her favorite. So I'm hoping this design will extend her sailing opportunities.

Gary Blankenship

Suzanne:
I'll root around and see if I can find the design number. It was designed in the late 80s or early 90s for Small Boat Journal; I think I got the plans in 91 or 92 because I began building in 92.  I'd guess the number is low to mid 500s to low 600s, maybe a bit higher.

On ventillation, I plan, aside from water ballast, to have a big battery or two low down which, among other things, will power some fans tucked up in the corners of the raised cabins. There will be at least one opening in each side of the raised cabin. The original plan called for raised oarlocks  for the 12-foot oars, and in this case, I'll cut the oarports at the proper height in the sides -- with waterproof covers. These can be opened in benign conditions.

There is a reason for my preferece for this hull with a Birdwatcher cabin. Partially it's because I find myself getting more tired after a long day in the Florida sun than when I was a bit younger. But more importantly, my wife's skin reacts badly to too much sun, a tendency that is aggravated by a medication she takes. And of all my boats she's been on, C40 was by far her favorite. So I'm hoping this design will extend her sailing opportunities.

Gary Blankenship
Hello Gary.
     Could you refresh my memory of the Design Number associated with this concept ?
Susanne
Sent:Saturday, September 19, 2015 12:19 AM
Subject:[bolger] Cartoon 40
 
 

Has anyone built a Cartoon 40 catboat, either the as designed or lengthened version? I did one 20 years ago and an thinking about redoing with a Birdwatcher-type cabin and would like to discuss with anyone else who has built one. SSuzanne, what would a set of plans cost?


Gary Blankenship


Helped a friend launch an IMB a few months ago and was very impressed, including with the ventilation. Very roomy cabin. But I'm still leaning to a v-bottom. A stretched C40 would have a 7.5 foot cabin and lots of storage space. A Plilsboat or Caroline mught be faster, but the C40 would have a Cadillac ride.

Gary
Here's the Casual Daysailer body plan.

I see the original  construction just shows a footwell, with butts up on deck. If you could work seats in with your tailbone tucked right into the chine, there'd actually be more power to carry sail.

I love camping in my Jewelbox Jr. Phil's idea of using the same space day and night works very well.

I'm from the Pacific NW. While it's getting warmer here all the time, if I lived in Florida now and a bimini wasn't enough, opening ports in the sides would be essential. Close them tight when the going livens up, but In the doldrums the wind just blows _across_ the slot top.

Mark



On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Andrew Jacobsandrew@...[bolger]<bolger@yahoogroups.com>wrote:

"Spark" is a Bobcat with a cabin added on to it.  At 12' it's not much of a cabin but I was able to sit upright on the floorboard inside and sleep on the starboard, single bunk.  There's also a stretched Bobcat called the "Jean Alden" that I've seen at the Port Townsend Wooden Boat festival that has a more generous cabin and is really nicely finished.  I believe she's 14'.

Looks like the Cartoon would handle a cabin but maybe not to BW proportions.  I also found myself hiking out on the Bobcat often so I would still recommend an open cockpit.

A


On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 9:19 PM,gbship@...[bolger]<bolger@yahoogroups.com>wrote:

Has anyone built a Cartoon 40 catboat, either the as designed or lengthened version? I did one 20 years ago and an thinking about redoing with a Birdwatcher-type cabin and would like to discuss with anyone else who has built one. SSuzanne, what would a set of plans cost?


Gary Blankenship




"Spark" is a Bobcat with a cabin added on to it.  At 12' it's not much of a cabin but I was able to sit upright on the floorboard inside and sleep on the starboard, single bunk.  There's also a stretched Bobcat called the "Jean Alden" that I've seen at the Port Townsend Wooden Boat festival that has a more generous cabin and is really nicely finished.  I believe she's 14'.

Looks like the Cartoon would handle a cabin but maybe not to BW proportions.  I also found myself hiking out on the Bobcat often so I would still recommend an open cockpit.

A


On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 9:19 PM,gbship@...[bolger]<bolger@yahoogroups.com>wrote:

Has anyone built a Cartoon 40 catboat, either the as designed or lengthened version? I did one 20 years ago and an thinking about redoing with a Birdwatcher-type cabin and would like to discuss with anyone else who has built one. SSuzanne, what would a set of plans cost?


Gary Blankenship



Well,  steady on course yet tacks on a dime is the grail, awright!

I think if you look at Jim Michalk's BW designs though, you'll see they all are fuller bodied than Cartoon 40.

Your mods added to the longer version, "Might just work."

OTH when it gets above 80 degrees f., my BW cabin seems frightfully hot,  whatever the theory about breeze flowing down from the sail. Someone else called their BW boat E-Z Bake.

On Sep 21, 2015 7:10 PM, "gbship@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Mark:
A few years ago I did a preliminary sketch  and it did look just workable. The cabin ended before the mast. I had switched to a tabernacle and it looked like the mast and boom would clear the cabin. The floor didn't run all the way to the topsides and ended below the chine, but it was close. Since then I've come up with the idea or raising the topsides by 6 inches. That would also raise the rig, but I found the boat very stable. There's enough room under the floor for water ballast, more than 150 pounds if needed. I asked Phil & Suzanne about this on my last visit with them and they thought it was workable (I hadn't thought of the higher topsides, though). I like the performance of this hull, sready on course but able to tack on a dime and keep its momentum. It would be nice to combine that with a way to avoid the worst of the Florida sun.

Gary Blankenship

Mark:
A few years ago I did a preliminary sketch  and it did look just workable. The cabin ended before the mast. I had switched to a tabernacle and it looked like the mast and boom would clear the cabin. The floor didn't run all the way to the topsides and ended below the chine, but it was close. Since then I've come up with the idea or raising the topsides by 6 inches. That would also raise the rig, but I found the boat very stable. There's enough room under the floor for water ballast, more than 150 pounds if needed. I asked Phil & Suzanne about this on my last visit with them and they thought it was workable (I hadn't thought of the higher topsides, though). I like the performance of this hull, sready on course but able to tack on a dime and keep its momentum. It would be nice to combine that with a way to avoid the worst of the Florida sun.

Gary Blankenship

Gary,

I could be wrong, but think C40 not very well suited to the BW cabin, however handsome and able the looks. To be sitting inside makes the house impossibly high. To have any decent width of floor puts that high too.

Will need the suggested 150 pounds ballast and more to keep on her feet without hiking out.

Though deep bellied for the overall size, as drawn the depth at the midsection, #9, is a scant 22". To get a flat floor or seats at full width puts them near the chine level, giving about 10" sides to go up from.

The house will intercept the rig.

A 2x scaleup is worth thinking about, say the size of your old "big Gypsy.

http://www.hapby.v-nam.net/FREEship/designs/Cartoon40.gif

http://hallman.org/bolger/isometrics#CasualSailingDinghy

Mark


On Sep 18, 2015 9:19 PM, "gbship@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Has anyone built a Cartoon 40 catboat, either the as designed or lengthened version? I did one 20 years ago and an thinking about redoing with a Birdwatcher-type cabin and would like to discuss with anyone else who has built one. SSuzanne, what would a set of plans cost?


Gary Blankenship


Has anyone built a Cartoon 40 catboat, either the as designed or lengthened version? I did one 20 years ago and an thinking about redoing with a Birdwatcher-type cabin and would like to discuss with anyone else who has built one. SSuzanne, what would a set of plans cost?


Gary Blankenship


Hi,

I just finished a FREE!ship model of "Cartoon 40".
http://www.hapby.v-nam.net/FREEship/designs/Cartoon40a.fbm

I found a scan with offsets in the files section of the BolgerCartoons
group. However, the whole article should be at least one page more.
It might show a better drawing, some more comments about purpose, etc.

Can somebody with access to SBJ #64 (December/January 1989) scan page
19 (and maybe 18?) and upload to BolgerCartoons?

Thanks a lot!

Stefan