Re: [bolger] Re: One Man Liveaboard concept study
Rats
I meant to send this to fritz not the group, sorry.
HJ
Harry James wrote:
I meant to send this to fritz not the group, sorry.
HJ
Harry James wrote:
> Fritz
>
> Some interest on the group about Tim's Petrel.
>
> HJ
>
> graeme19121984 wrote:
>
>> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I also received some information off-post feom Fritz Funk. You guys
>>> are great.
>>>
>>>
>> S -o -o -o -o -o, Nels <nudge, nudge> is there any news you can pass
>> on about Tim's Storm Petrel? Did she get the keel, do you know? How
>> has it been under the larger sail? Carried her crew on any great
>> adventures over those icy seas? What is thought of the boat after this
>> amount of use/time?
>>
>> Cheers
>> Graeme
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Fritz
Some interest on the group about Tim's Petrel.
HJ
graeme19121984 wrote:
Some interest on the group about Tim's Petrel.
HJ
graeme19121984 wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@...> wrote:
>
>> I also received some information off-post feom Fritz Funk. You guys
>> are great.
>>
>
> S -o -o -o -o -o, Nels <nudge, nudge> is there any news you can pass
> on about Tim's Storm Petrel? Did she get the keel, do you know? How
> has it been under the larger sail? Carried her crew on any great
> adventures over those icy seas? What is thought of the boat after this
> amount of use/time?
>
> Cheers
> Graeme
>
>
>
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Probst" <stefan.probst@...>
wrote:
One" also gives some details about what Bolger suggests for
auxiliarly power. I was wondering what happened to that write-up!
Nels
wrote:
>Yes it is the same boat. The file entitled "Liveaboard Sailor for
> Am I wrong, or is the One Man Liveaboard Concept in fact identical
> with Cartoon 18?
>
> See "Cartoon 18 - Liveaboard Sailor for One"
> in BolgerCartoons/files/Liveaboard Sailor for One/
>
> and "Bolger on Design - One Man Liveaboard Concept"
> in BolgerCartoons/files/One-Man Liveaboard Sailboat/
>
> Cheers,
> Stefan
>
One" also gives some details about what Bolger suggests for
auxiliarly power. I was wondering what happened to that write-up!
Nels
Am I wrong, or is the One Man Liveaboard Concept in fact identical
with Cartoon 18?
See "Cartoon 18 - Liveaboard Sailor for One"
in BolgerCartoons/files/Liveaboard Sailor for One/
and "Bolger on Design - One Man Liveaboard Concept"
in BolgerCartoons/files/One-Man Liveaboard Sailboat/
Cheers,
Stefan
with Cartoon 18?
See "Cartoon 18 - Liveaboard Sailor for One"
in BolgerCartoons/files/Liveaboard Sailor for One/
and "Bolger on Design - One Man Liveaboard Concept"
in BolgerCartoons/files/One-Man Liveaboard Sailboat/
Cheers,
Stefan
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@...>
wrote:
Nels
wrote:
>I asked about Storm Petrel but so far have not heard back.
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@> wrote:
> >I also received some information off-post feom Fritz Funk. You guys
> >are great.
>
> S -o -o -o -o -o, Nels <nudge, nudge> is there any news you can pass
> on about Tim's Storm Petrel? Did she get the keel, do you know? How
> has it been under the larger sail? Carried her crew on any great
> adventures over those icy seas? What is thought of the boat after this
> amount of use/time?
>
> Cheers
> Graeme
>
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@...> wrote:
on about Tim's Storm Petrel? Did she get the keel, do you know? How
has it been under the larger sail? Carried her crew on any great
adventures over those icy seas? What is thought of the boat after this
amount of use/time?
Cheers
Graeme
>I also received some information off-post feom Fritz Funk. You guysS -o -o -o -o -o, Nels <nudge, nudge> is there any news you can pass
>are great.
on about Tim's Storm Petrel? Did she get the keel, do you know? How
has it been under the larger sail? Carried her crew on any great
adventures over those icy seas? What is thought of the boat after this
amount of use/time?
Cheers
Graeme
Now if we can prevail on him to update the adventures with the Sneakeasy
in Wisconsin. The trailer itself is worthy of a few on line photos.
HJ
Nels wrote:
in Wisconsin. The trailer itself is worthy of a few on line photos.
HJ
Nels wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
>
>> There is no marina in Anchorage, all boating in the area is done on
>> rivers except for the wind surfers in Turnagain arm who occasionally
>>
> get
>
>> stuck in the mud and drowned when the tidal bore comes in. There are
>> marinas on the Kenai Peninsula, Seward and on Prince William Sound. The
>> lake you saw is Lake Hood and has the most float plane operations of
>>
> any
>
>> float plane base in the world. The fuel prices are a lot cheaper on
>>
> our
>
>> side of the border, I will tank up before getting on the ferry and
>>
> drive
>
>> through Canada with out refueling I hope.
>>
>> I have it at 760 miles, I don't want to do to much night driving. I
>>
> will
>
>> be on the road about noon and hope to get to Destruction Bay for an RON
>> and then all the way to Anchorage the next day.
>>
>> $83 for me and the PU (17ft) Juneau to Haines winter rates.
>>
>> HJ
>>
>>
> Thanks for the update Harry. Really appreciated. I also received some
> information off-post feom Fritz Funk. You guys are great. Those Funk
> folks sure get around don't they?
>
> Nels
>
>
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
information off-post feom Fritz Funk. You guys are great. Those Funk
folks sure get around don't they?
Nels
>get
> There is no marina in Anchorage, all boating in the area is done on
> rivers except for the wind surfers in Turnagain arm who occasionally
> stuck in the mud and drowned when the tidal bore comes in. There areany
> marinas on the Kenai Peninsula, Seward and on Prince William Sound. The
> lake you saw is Lake Hood and has the most float plane operations of
> float plane base in the world. The fuel prices are a lot cheaper onour
> side of the border, I will tank up before getting on the ferry anddrive
> through Canada with out refueling I hope.will
>
> I have it at 760 miles, I don't want to do to much night driving. I
> be on the road about noon and hope to get to Destruction Bay for an RONThanks for the update Harry. Really appreciated. I also received some
> and then all the way to Anchorage the next day.
>
> $83 for me and the PU (17ft) Juneau to Haines winter rates.
>
> HJ
>
information off-post feom Fritz Funk. You guys are great. Those Funk
folks sure get around don't they?
Nels
I have a couple of 90% finished pygmy kayaks that I stopped work on and
built some Glocester Gulls instead. You can carry 200 lbs of camping
gear (more than that if you want) in a gull and go as far and as fast
and in a lot more comfort in the Gull. If the climate is against you,
like this last summer, than you can set up tarps and such that you just
can't carry in a kayak.
There is a picture of my wifes and Mary Ann Park's Gulls in Yahoo
/Bolger/ Photos /Juneau Bolger
HJ
Nels wrote:
built some Glocester Gulls instead. You can carry 200 lbs of camping
gear (more than that if you want) in a gull and go as far and as fast
and in a lot more comfort in the Gull. If the climate is against you,
like this last summer, than you can set up tarps and such that you just
can't carry in a kayak.
There is a picture of my wifes and Mary Ann Park's Gulls in Yahoo
/Bolger/ Photos /Juneau Bolger
HJ
Nels wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
>
>> I have only been to Southeast Alaska twice, but really, that is a
>> place for a boat! (Not many roads.) We shipped our sailboat to
>> Ketchikan on a barge, which wasn't expensive, and sailed itaround,
>> ending up back in Seattle.
>>
>
> I find that coastline and climate rather intimidating to say the
> least. I read the account of a fellow sailing a WW Potter up there and
> back. Realistically I am too old and not a saltyboater either:-)
>
> Also I would like to experience the Alcan highway.
>
> I DO have a Folbot though...
>
> Nels
>
>
There is no marina in Anchorage, all boating in the area is done on
rivers except for the wind surfers in Turnagain arm who occasionally get
stuck in the mud and drowned when the tidal bore comes in. There are
marinas on the Kenai Peninsula, Seward and on Prince William Sound. The
lake you saw is Lake Hood and has the most float plane operations of any
float plane base in the world. The fuel prices are a lot cheaper on our
side of the border, I will tank up before getting on the ferry and drive
through Canada with out refueling I hope.
I have it at 760 miles, I don't want to do to much night driving. I will
be on the road about noon and hope to get to Destruction Bay for an RON
and then all the way to Anchorage the next day.
$83 for me and the PU (17ft) Juneau to Haines winter rates.
HJ
Nels wrote:
rivers except for the wind surfers in Turnagain arm who occasionally get
stuck in the mud and drowned when the tidal bore comes in. There are
marinas on the Kenai Peninsula, Seward and on Prince William Sound. The
lake you saw is Lake Hood and has the most float plane operations of any
float plane base in the world. The fuel prices are a lot cheaper on our
side of the border, I will tank up before getting on the ferry and drive
through Canada with out refueling I hope.
I have it at 760 miles, I don't want to do to much night driving. I will
be on the road about noon and hope to get to Destruction Bay for an RON
and then all the way to Anchorage the next day.
$83 for me and the PU (17ft) Juneau to Haines winter rates.
HJ
Nels wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
>
>> Gas is $2.79 diesel will be close to that, I am driving from Haines to
>> Anchorage on Monday and I will report fuel prices in route.
>>
>> HJ
>>
>>
> Thanks Harry that would be great. That is cheaper than what I am
> paying now down in central BC. I would be interested in what it costs
> to take the vehicle on the ferry from Juneau to Haines as well.
>
> Not a great time to making that trip is it? Probably you will be
> driving in the dark a lot of the way eh? From my brief research that
> is about 850 miles or so? Hope you are not going alone.
>
> Anchorage is the last known location of the first Alaskan MS to be
> built. Any chance of getting a couple of photos if it is there? Where
> the hell is the marina in Anchorage? I looked at the place from Google
> earth and saw this fairly big lake by the airport which seemed
> surrounded by slips. On closer inspection it was full of floatplanes
> not boats! Never saw so many foat planes in one location! Looks like
> not such a great place for sailing from the sat. photos. Lots of
> shallows and a big tidal variation it would seem.
>
> Anyway the name of the boat is STEPHEN B and it was built by Scott
> Leiser. I found a somewhat blurry scan about the WB annoucement and it
> is with the other AMS stuff here:
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger_study_plans_only/files/
>
> Good luck on your trip!
>
> Nels
>
>
>
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
least. I read the account of a fellow sailing a WW Potter up there and
back. Realistically I am too old and not a saltyboater either:-)
Also I would like to experience the Alcan highway.
I DO have a Folbot though...
Nels
>I find that coastline and climate rather intimidating to say the
> I have only been to Southeast Alaska twice, but really, that is a
> place for a boat! (Not many roads.) We shipped our sailboat to
> Ketchikan on a barge, which wasn't expensive, and sailed itaround,
> ending up back in Seattle.
least. I read the account of a fellow sailing a WW Potter up there and
back. Realistically I am too old and not a saltyboater either:-)
Also I would like to experience the Alcan highway.
I DO have a Folbot though...
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
paying now down in central BC. I would be interested in what it costs
to take the vehicle on the ferry from Juneau to Haines as well.
Not a great time to making that trip is it? Probably you will be
driving in the dark a lot of the way eh? From my brief research that
is about 850 miles or so? Hope you are not going alone.
Anchorage is the last known location of the first Alaskan MS to be
built. Any chance of getting a couple of photos if it is there? Where
the hell is the marina in Anchorage? I looked at the place from Google
earth and saw this fairly big lake by the airport which seemed
surrounded by slips. On closer inspection it was full of floatplanes
not boats! Never saw so many foat planes in one location! Looks like
not such a great place for sailing from the sat. photos. Lots of
shallows and a big tidal variation it would seem.
Anyway the name of the boat is STEPHEN B and it was built by Scott
Leiser. I found a somewhat blurry scan about the WB annoucement and it
is with the other AMS stuff here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger_study_plans_only/files/
Good luck on your trip!
Nels
>Thanks Harry that would be great. That is cheaper than what I am
> Gas is $2.79 diesel will be close to that, I am driving from Haines to
> Anchorage on Monday and I will report fuel prices in route.
>
> HJ
>
paying now down in central BC. I would be interested in what it costs
to take the vehicle on the ferry from Juneau to Haines as well.
Not a great time to making that trip is it? Probably you will be
driving in the dark a lot of the way eh? From my brief research that
is about 850 miles or so? Hope you are not going alone.
Anchorage is the last known location of the first Alaskan MS to be
built. Any chance of getting a couple of photos if it is there? Where
the hell is the marina in Anchorage? I looked at the place from Google
earth and saw this fairly big lake by the airport which seemed
surrounded by slips. On closer inspection it was full of floatplanes
not boats! Never saw so many foat planes in one location! Looks like
not such a great place for sailing from the sat. photos. Lots of
shallows and a big tidal variation it would seem.
Anyway the name of the boat is STEPHEN B and it was built by Scott
Leiser. I found a somewhat blurry scan about the WB annoucement and it
is with the other AMS stuff here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger_study_plans_only/files/
Good luck on your trip!
Nels
> My van runs on diesel.I have only been to Southeast Alaska twice, but really, that is a
>
> Nels
place for a boat! (Not many roads.) We shipped our sailboat to
Ketchikan on a barge, which wasn't expensive, and sailed itaround,
ending up back in Seattle.
Gas is $2.79 diesel will be close to that, I am driving from Haines to
Anchorage on Monday and I will report fuel prices in route.
HJ
Nels wrote:
Anchorage on Monday and I will report fuel prices in route.
HJ
Nels wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Kristine Bennett <femmpaws@...> wrote:
>
>> I'm sure you can but save the miles and take the ferry
>> both ways. The Alcan is a long bit of road. But it
>> would be a nice drive deppending on the time of the
>> year. Spring would be the best time all the bugs are
>> not around yet.
>>
>> Blessings Krissie
>>
>>
>
> Did a quick estimate of one-way from Whit to Jun to Rupert with a van
> and two people. It is about 2000 USD - not counting the side trip to Gus.
>
> Any idea of the cost of diesel fuel up there?
>
> My van runs on diesel.
>
> Nels
>
>
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Kristine Bennett <femmpaws@...> wrote:
and two people. It is about 2000 USD - not counting the side trip to Gus.
Any idea of the cost of diesel fuel up there?
My van runs on diesel.
Nels
>Did a quick estimate of one-way from Whit to Jun to Rupert with a van
> I'm sure you can but save the miles and take the ferry
> both ways. The Alcan is a long bit of road. But it
> would be a nice drive deppending on the time of the
> year. Spring would be the best time all the bugs are
> not around yet.
>
> Blessings Krissie
>
and two people. It is about 2000 USD - not counting the side trip to Gus.
Any idea of the cost of diesel fuel up there?
My van runs on diesel.
Nels
I'm sure you can but save the miles and take the ferry
both ways. The Alcan is a long bit of road. But it
would be a nice drive deppending on the time of the
year. Spring would be the best time all the bugs are
not around yet.
Blessings Krissie
--- Nels <arvent@...> wrote:
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both ways. The Alcan is a long bit of road. But it
would be a nice drive deppending on the time of the
year. Spring would be the best time all the bugs are
not around yet.
Blessings Krissie
--- Nels <arvent@...> wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James____________________________________________________________________________________
> <welshman@...> wrote:
> >
> > When I first learned to sail most of the sailboats
> up to 30 feet or so
> > did not have auxiliaries. If you didn't sail in
> and out of the dock you
> > didn't sail.
> >
> > HJ
>
> Harry,
>
> I was wondering if a person can drive to Anchorage
> via the Alaska
> highway, and then take a ferry back to Prince Rupert
> and stop along
> the way in Gustavus and Juneau?
>
> Traveling in a self-contained full-sized camping
> van.
>
> Nels
>
>
>
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The answer is mostly yes. You would gdrive from Anchorage to Whittier
catch the ferry to Juneau with a stop in Yakutat. Out of Juneau you can
catch a ferry to Gustavus but you can't take a vehicle, the dock can't
handle it in Gustavus. You would then come back to Juneau and catch the
ferry south.
http://www.dot.state.ak.us/amhs/
HJ
Nels wrote:
catch the ferry to Juneau with a stop in Yakutat. Out of Juneau you can
catch a ferry to Gustavus but you can't take a vehicle, the dock can't
handle it in Gustavus. You would then come back to Juneau and catch the
ferry south.
http://www.dot.state.ak.us/amhs/
HJ
Nels wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
>
>> When I first learned to sail most of the sailboats up to 30 feet or so
>> did not have auxiliaries. If you didn't sail in and out of the dock you
>> didn't sail.
>>
>> HJ
>>
>
> Harry,
>
> I was wondering if a person can drive to Anchorage via the Alaska
> highway, and then take a ferry back to Prince Rupert and stop along
> the way in Gustavus and Juneau?
>
> Traveling in a self-contained full-sized camping van.
>
> Nels
>
>
>
>
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
I was wondering if a person can drive to Anchorage via the Alaska
highway, and then take a ferry back to Prince Rupert and stop along
the way in Gustavus and Juneau?
Traveling in a self-contained full-sized camping van.
Nels
>Harry,
> When I first learned to sail most of the sailboats up to 30 feet or so
> did not have auxiliaries. If you didn't sail in and out of the dock you
> didn't sail.
>
> HJ
I was wondering if a person can drive to Anchorage via the Alaska
highway, and then take a ferry back to Prince Rupert and stop along
the way in Gustavus and Juneau?
Traveling in a self-contained full-sized camping van.
Nels
When I first learned to sail most of the sailboats up to 30 feet or so
did not have auxiliaries. If you didn't sail in and out of the dock you
didn't sail.
HJ
John and Kathy Trussell wrote:
did not have auxiliaries. If you didn't sail in and out of the dock you
didn't sail.
HJ
John and Kathy Trussell wrote:
> People with daysailors routinely sail into (sometimes literaldock and I frequently sailed a capri 22 into a slip for several years with minimal damage. Does your nifty program generate a table of offsts? If so, can we get them?
>
> JohnT
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bruce Hallman
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 2:01 PM
> Subject: [bolger] One Man Liveaboard concept study
>
>
> For those familiar with the Bolger concept study, I wonder if anyone
> might comment on how this motorless boat might be handled while
> singlehand landing at a dock? I don't understand how you douse the
> sail. I guess that is what the Tortoise if for!
>
>http://hallman.org/bolger/OneManLiveAboard/OneLiveAboard.jpg
>http://hallman.org/bolger/OneManLiveAboard/OneManLiveAboard.fbm
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Bruce I think you would want some 16 or 24 Grit first
and then 60 or 120. :) But if you plan to use epoxy I
would stop at 60 then add the epoxy and cloth.
Krissie
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and then 60 or 120. :) But if you plan to use epoxy I
would stop at 60 then add the epoxy and cloth.
Krissie
>____________________________________________________________________________________
> I am still trying to find the Sander|36GRIT command
> on the Free!Ship
> program menu.
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> I don't understand how you douse theYou LIVE alone, but you GO SAILING with a friend!
> sail.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Probst" <stefan.probst@...> wrote:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger4/files/Small%20Motorsailer/
No name nor number - Bolger said the design "went off in another
directions" - as the client wanted insider steering and less boxy
shape. Wonder what the "other direction" ended up as?
Would love to see the perspective images.
I think if One Man was redesigned it might benefit from having space
for a small diesel under the cockpit or maybe instead of a cockpit,
given current "realities" regarding boats without engines.
Nels
> I know that Bruce knows this everything. I admire him how he churnsWas there a concept study done on this boat?
> out such beautiful renderings in such short time. This is more an
> explanation and some hints for complete newbies.
>
> Cheers,
> Stefan
>
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger4/files/Small%20Motorsailer/
No name nor number - Bolger said the design "went off in another
directions" - as the client wanted insider steering and less boxy
shape. Wonder what the "other direction" ended up as?
Would love to see the perspective images.
I think if One Man was redesigned it might benefit from having space
for a small diesel under the cockpit or maybe instead of a cockpit,
given current "realities" regarding boats without engines.
Nels
--- "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
I think (I have not much clues about this), that this is an issue with
this NURBS modelling. In each design I run too into this issue, that
there are bulges where they shouldn't, or round edges where there
should be hard ones. Tinkering around with normal and crease edges
helps often, but not always. So does sometimes to split up a face into
two. Or to insert new points. But often I just give up, since at some
point the effort to get that perfect smooth hull is much bigger than
the small unregularity. I gave e.g. meanwhile up, to make real windows
(except cutouts). If I want coloured windows, I just add separate, not
connected faces and move them as closely as possible to the outside of
the hull.
I know that Bruce knows this everything. I admire him how he churns
out such beautiful renderings in such short time. This is more an
explanation and some hints for complete newbies.
Cheers,
Stefan
PS: The online collectioon athttp://www.hapby.v-nam.net/FREEship/has
meanwhile 20 Bolger Designs as FREE!ship models. I offer now also an
RSS feed for people to keep updated, when there is a new design
available:http://www.hapby.v-nam.net/FREEship/rss.php
>LOL.
> > Just curious here but why does the shear appear to buckle/bulge
> > between stations 3 and 4 on the port side perspective?
>
> I am still trying to find the Sander|36GRIT command on the Free!Ship
> program menu.
>
I think (I have not much clues about this), that this is an issue with
this NURBS modelling. In each design I run too into this issue, that
there are bulges where they shouldn't, or round edges where there
should be hard ones. Tinkering around with normal and crease edges
helps often, but not always. So does sometimes to split up a face into
two. Or to insert new points. But often I just give up, since at some
point the effort to get that perfect smooth hull is much bigger than
the small unregularity. I gave e.g. meanwhile up, to make real windows
(except cutouts). If I want coloured windows, I just add separate, not
connected faces and move them as closely as possible to the outside of
the hull.
I know that Bruce knows this everything. I admire him how he churns
out such beautiful renderings in such short time. This is more an
explanation and some hints for complete newbies.
Cheers,
Stefan
PS: The online collectioon athttp://www.hapby.v-nam.net/FREEship/has
meanwhile 20 Bolger Designs as FREE!ship models. I offer now also an
RSS feed for people to keep updated, when there is a new design
available:http://www.hapby.v-nam.net/FREEship/rss.php
> Just curious here but why does the shear appear to buckle/bulgeI am still trying to find the Sander|36GRIT command on the Free!Ship
> between stations 3 and 4 on the port side perspective?
program menu.
People with daysailors routinely sail into (sometimes literaldock and I frequently sailed a capri 22 into a slip for several years with minimal damage. Does your nifty program generate a table of offsts? If so, can we get them?
JohnT
JohnT
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Hallman
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 2:01 PM
Subject: [bolger] One Man Liveaboard concept study
For those familiar with the Bolger concept study, I wonder if anyone
might comment on how this motorless boat might be handled while
singlehand landing at a dock? I don't understand how you douse the
sail. I guess that is what the Tortoise if for!
http://hallman.org/bolger/OneManLiveAboard/OneLiveAboard.jpg
http://hallman.org/bolger/OneManLiveAboard/OneManLiveAboard.fbm
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
new life into some of His older designs.A really nice treat for us
burdened with the lable,"visual learner".
Just curious here but why does the shear appear to buckle/bulge
between stations 3 and 4 on the port side perspective?
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
>http://hallman.org/bolger/OneManLiveAboard/OneLiveAboard.jpgThanks for these neat perspective drawings Bruce! They sure do breath
new life into some of His older designs.A really nice treat for us
burdened with the lable,"visual learner".
Just curious here but why does the shear appear to buckle/bulge
between stations 3 and 4 on the port side perspective?
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
I wonder if anyone
> might comment on how this motorless boat might be handled while
> singlehand landing at a dock? I don't understand how you douse the
> sail.>
>http://hallman.org/bolger/OneManLiveAboard/OneLiveAboard.jpg
Hi Bruce,
easiest:
1) Set up small outboard on either the transom or a custom made
bracket right off the rudder.
2) Douse sail prior to entering enclosed and/or narrow heavy
traffic areas.Have engine running in idle while dousing sail.
3) manouvre under power slowly to your slip.
easy:
1)build yuloh(yuhol?) and mounting bracket off top of transom.
2)Douse sail prior to entering enclosed and/or narrow heavy traffic
areas.Make sure you've had a hearty meal.
3)Yuloh your way to the nearest available slip.
do-able:
1)Launch Tortise over the side and keep her on a long bridal.
2)Douse sail prior to entering enclosed and/or heavy traffic
areas.Secure tiller amidship.Bring lots of water as you board the
Tortise and attach the towing bridal to the stem.
3)Tow the boat in with the Tortise and once again aim for the
nearest available slip.Use short quick strokes instead of long slow
pulls on the oars.
Nut shrinking/bowel loosening:
1)Check to make sure you have enough wind.
2)Pour tall glass of courage.
3))Sail the bastard right in and round up smartly into the wind
while letting the sheet fly as you perfectly time her
arrival/landing at your intended slip.Hop off with the stern and bow
lines in hand,secure boat to quay,pour tall glass of victory
drink,lower yard and sail along side deck away from quay.Prepare to
sign autographs or answers questions.
Final notes:
a) ensure that all your fenders are down(on both sides!) before any
of the above manouvres begin.
b) ensure that the yard(and sail) are properly lashed down along the
deck,beside the pilot house, on the side you intend being the one
away from the slip(dock)
c) make sure you have a friend with a camera or video device waiting
at the marina if you choose the last option since:
1)friends will never believe you actually "sailed" her in.
2)YOU may not believe you actually "sailed" her in!
3)The police/insurance company may wish to see exactly how such a
small un-powered sailboat managed to tear off 8 pulpits,sink 3
dinghys,remove 5 rub-rails and destroy a quay all before 10:30 in
the morning,on a clear blue perfect summer day :-D
The prudent sailor,of course, may choose to anchor safely outside a
channel, and go exploring in the dinghy, the desired marina prior to
actually bothering to enter there.............
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,just trying to be helpful,from along the shores of the
saturated St.Lawrence..........
As with any motorless sail boat, it would depend on the dock, the wind, and the set of the current. There are some combinations of wind and current and other boats that will require you to anchor off and wade/swim/dinghy in. Both "The Annapolis Book of Seamanship" and Chapman's "Piloting, Seamanship and Small Boat Handling" include sections on getting moored although Chapman's is mostly for power boats.
1) Know your boat's behavior
2) Plan ahead
It isn't obvious from a quick look at your drawings how one moves around the deck to handle the mooring lines. Let's assume that's been taken care of.
In the easiest case, no current and the wind blowing onto the dock. Sail up to a point some eight or ten feet from the dock, kill headway by luffing, drop the sail and let the wind blow you up to the dock. Alternatively, one can use a moor where the bow is anchored pointing away from the dock and the boat is tied to the dock stern-to. Note that with the wind blowing onto the dock, you won't be leaving without a tow.
If the wind is from off of the dock, rig a bow spring and lead it back to the cockpit. Have the bow and stern lines ready too. Sail up to the dock slowly and flip the bow spring and the stern line over cleats while letting the sheet fly. Secure the lines on the boat. The boat's inertia will bring the bow in and you can quickly go forward to secure the bow line. The sail is blowing away from the dock and luffing madly. Lower it in its brails.
The maneuvers (without the mooring lines) are best rehearsed with a milk jug anchored to a cinderblock well away from structures you don't want to ram.
I've also run the bow up on the beach and then walked the boat over to the dock using long lines to the bow and stern. It needs an occasional well placed kick to send it off shore (sail down of course).
Single handed sailing of a larger boat is not for the inexperienced and unskilled. In many congested ports it is illegal to enter without a motor.
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm
1) Know your boat's behavior
2) Plan ahead
It isn't obvious from a quick look at your drawings how one moves around the deck to handle the mooring lines. Let's assume that's been taken care of.
In the easiest case, no current and the wind blowing onto the dock. Sail up to a point some eight or ten feet from the dock, kill headway by luffing, drop the sail and let the wind blow you up to the dock. Alternatively, one can use a moor where the bow is anchored pointing away from the dock and the boat is tied to the dock stern-to. Note that with the wind blowing onto the dock, you won't be leaving without a tow.
If the wind is from off of the dock, rig a bow spring and lead it back to the cockpit. Have the bow and stern lines ready too. Sail up to the dock slowly and flip the bow spring and the stern line over cleats while letting the sheet fly. Secure the lines on the boat. The boat's inertia will bring the bow in and you can quickly go forward to secure the bow line. The sail is blowing away from the dock and luffing madly. Lower it in its brails.
The maneuvers (without the mooring lines) are best rehearsed with a milk jug anchored to a cinderblock well away from structures you don't want to ram.
I've also run the bow up on the beach and then walked the boat over to the dock using long lines to the bow and stern. It needs an occasional well placed kick to send it off shore (sail down of course).
Single handed sailing of a larger boat is not for the inexperienced and unskilled. In many congested ports it is illegal to enter without a motor.
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Hallman
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 2:01 PM
Subject: [bolger] One Man Liveaboard concept study
For those familiar with the Bolger concept study, I wonder if anyone
might comment on how this motorless boat might be handled while
singlehand landing at a dock? I don't understand how you douse the
sail. I guess that is what the Tortoise if for!
http://hallman.org/bolger/OneManLiveAboard/OneLiveAboard.jpg
http://hallman.org/bolger/OneManLiveAboard/OneManLiveAboard.fbm
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I just know from first hand experience with (my full cabin Micro
Navigator), that negotiating the last 5 feet to the dock, single
handed, takes considerable dexterity, planning and skill. Due to
inaccessility to run around, throw lines, grab things, etc.. (compared
with landing an open boat).
One Man Liveaboard Concept, is obvious a single hander. I wonder how
much Bolger considered this, as I see that dropping anchor is not easy
to do with the Tortoise on deck covering up the forward hatch. Also,
the (is that a Gunter?) large yard on the mainsail sure looks like
trouble trying to handle it single handed while ramming the dock.
All the more reason I like the Chinese Gaff rig, it sure reefs and
handles well for a single hander!
Navigator), that negotiating the last 5 feet to the dock, single
handed, takes considerable dexterity, planning and skill. Due to
inaccessility to run around, throw lines, grab things, etc.. (compared
with landing an open boat).
One Man Liveaboard Concept, is obvious a single hander. I wonder how
much Bolger considered this, as I see that dropping anchor is not easy
to do with the Tortoise on deck covering up the forward hatch. Also,
the (is that a Gunter?) large yard on the mainsail sure looks like
trouble trying to handle it single handed while ramming the dock.
All the more reason I like the Chinese Gaff rig, it sure reefs and
handles well for a single hander!
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
Those renderings looks great as that is the house I am considering for
a Long Micro Navigator coversion.
I believe in the SBJ article Bolger suggested an outboard on one of
the brackets that slide up and down on the stern? For use only in calm
conditions. Maybe a 2hp Honda 4 stroke would work?
Nels
>Bruce,
> For those familiar with the Bolger concept study, I wonder if anyone
> might comment on how this motorless boat might be handled while
> singlehand landing at a dock? I don't understand how you douse the
> sail. I guess that is what the Tortoise if for!
>
>http://hallman.org/bolger/OneManLiveAboard/OneLiveAboard.jpg
>http://hallman.org/bolger/OneManLiveAboard/OneManLiveAboard.fbm
>
Those renderings looks great as that is the house I am considering for
a Long Micro Navigator coversion.
I believe in the SBJ article Bolger suggested an outboard on one of
the brackets that slide up and down on the stern? For use only in calm
conditions. Maybe a 2hp Honda 4 stroke would work?
Nels
For those familiar with the Bolger concept study, I wonder if anyone
might comment on how this motorless boat might be handled while
singlehand landing at a dock? I don't understand how you douse the
sail. I guess that is what the Tortoise if for!
http://hallman.org/bolger/OneManLiveAboard/OneLiveAboard.jpg
http://hallman.org/bolger/OneManLiveAboard/OneManLiveAboard.fbm
might comment on how this motorless boat might be handled while
singlehand landing at a dock? I don't understand how you douse the
sail. I guess that is what the Tortoise if for!
http://hallman.org/bolger/OneManLiveAboard/OneLiveAboard.jpg
http://hallman.org/bolger/OneManLiveAboard/OneManLiveAboard.fbm