Re: Long Micro pics updated
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, William King <kingw@...> wrote:
Great - you have a customized cockpit - which is perfect for you.
Don't worry about the enterior either. At some time when it is all
finished you might consider lining it with light cedar or pine strips
held with brass screws like Peter did on LESTAT. Gives the enterior a
warmth. I would consider insulating the overhead but keeping it and
the rest white with maybe a bit of natural wood trim.
I would also consider sealing the cockpit seats at some point. They
add buoyancy that is lost from the original hold area and it is nice
to know there is no water lieing under there.
The seat cushions can also be used below decks and maybe emergency
floats or fenders. (Install a D-ring and some invisible rope:-)
Flaps with snaps? Velcro? Duct tape?
Nels
>Hi Bill,
> Nels and Peter,
> Thanks for your comments. Let me see...
>
Great - you have a customized cockpit - which is perfect for you.
Don't worry about the enterior either. At some time when it is all
finished you might consider lining it with light cedar or pine strips
held with brass screws like Peter did on LESTAT. Gives the enterior a
warmth. I would consider insulating the overhead but keeping it and
the rest white with maybe a bit of natural wood trim.
I would also consider sealing the cockpit seats at some point. They
add buoyancy that is lost from the original hold area and it is nice
to know there is no water lieing under there.
The seat cushions can also be used below decks and maybe emergency
floats or fenders. (Install a D-ring and some invisible rope:-)
Flaps with snaps? Velcro? Duct tape?
Nels
Nels and Peter,
Thanks for your comments. Let me see...
1. Peter, I saw your inclined backrests and they struck me as a good
idea. My main consideration, however, is that I'm a lanky fellow (a
bit over 6'4"), and my biggest problem most days is finding room to
stretch my legs. So I did some practice-sitting on various crates in
my pre-made cockpit and came up with the dimensions I did, primarily
to give me leg-stretchin' room. And (lest one of the Bolger faithful
mention it), I know that the original plans would have provided
plenty of leg room for me to dangle my legs. I wanted the
self-bailing cockpit. I have considered some inclined backrest
cushions. I'll see how the cockpit suits me first.
2. I corresponded with Dan Gonneau a couple times about his
self-bailing cockpit. I hope I learned from him. He suggested
raising the cockpit sole a few inches and I did. My cockpit lockers
will collect water, so I drilled small (about 12 mm) holes in their
inboard "walls" so water will run into the cockpit sole, and then out
into the aft-most well. These cockpit drain holes will work well
when the boat is level (draining rain water), but when she's heeled,
water from the cockpit sole will flow into the lee locker. I didn't
realize this until I had made everything. I'm considering small
plugs or a one-way valve (or something), but I'll wait until I hit
the water to work that all out.
I've also mulled some type of valve arrangement, to keep water from
backing up into the cockpit sole. As you may have noticed, however,
my aft-well is designed to be dry. The rudder post is sealed by a
length of plastic pipe, and there are two home-made bailers at either
corner of my aft-well. If it all works to plan, water should not
collect in the aft well.
3. The interior is ugly. Really. A bolgerista on the web had
commented that their boat's interior (finished with epoxy coated
wood) looked like a dark cave. I thought I would avoid this by
having a white interior. I initially went with white tinted epoxy,
thinking that I would spare myself painting the
interior. Wrong. The tint wasn't robust enough and only gave me a
cloudy milky interior even with two coats. Blech! I also had spots
where I did not tint (e.g., where the chine logs were to be fastened,
and at the bulkheads. I wanted a strong bond and had read that tint
might affect epoxies bonding strength). So I had strips of wood
coated in regular epoxy once I assembled the interior. "I'll just
paint those spots white." And the paint didn't match the epoxy
tint. *great* A couple coats of paint over the whole interior would
fix the problem, but I'm busy working on more critical bits.
Besides the aesthetics, the interior is built to plan (with a
slightly shorter hatch. Shorter by 6 inches I recall but I would
have to check. Again, I was following Dan's experience here). The
bunks are built to stock height
(my head just barely rubs the ceiling when I sit on the bunk flats
without a cushion). The bunk supports (the "fins" that the bunk
flats lay upon) are thicker than planned (1 inch thick). The bunk
covers are two-pieces (makes them easier to move about the interior,
and easier to pull one and fish around in the wine cellar. The only
real modification is that there's a little storage retained under the
cockpit (under the bench seat which runs from port to stbd.).
Please keep your comments and suggestions coming. Even if I cannot
learn from your experiences, someone else surely will.
Bill, in Ohio
--- In <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>bolger@yahoogroups.com,
"Nels" <arvent@...> wrote:
Perhaps it would not be too much a chore to simply widen the
benches,inboard,with a plank or two yet keeping enough width in the
cockpit to stand up comfortably.The "lip" caused by the widening of
the benches would also come in handy as hand grips if nifty little
oval holes are cut into them say every 16 inches or so or(better yet!)
for precisely cut holes for beer/wine/grog bottles kept right at
hand :-)
The tapered cushions are a neat work-around but have to be stored
when not in use,may well slip,slide and can blown over board in the
wrong conditions and must be kept out of the rain if not covered with
water-proof material.The built in inclined backrest gets around all of
the above :-)
I can't wait to see how Bill does his interior!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
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Thanks for your comments. Let me see...
1. Peter, I saw your inclined backrests and they struck me as a good
idea. My main consideration, however, is that I'm a lanky fellow (a
bit over 6'4"), and my biggest problem most days is finding room to
stretch my legs. So I did some practice-sitting on various crates in
my pre-made cockpit and came up with the dimensions I did, primarily
to give me leg-stretchin' room. And (lest one of the Bolger faithful
mention it), I know that the original plans would have provided
plenty of leg room for me to dangle my legs. I wanted the
self-bailing cockpit. I have considered some inclined backrest
cushions. I'll see how the cockpit suits me first.
2. I corresponded with Dan Gonneau a couple times about his
self-bailing cockpit. I hope I learned from him. He suggested
raising the cockpit sole a few inches and I did. My cockpit lockers
will collect water, so I drilled small (about 12 mm) holes in their
inboard "walls" so water will run into the cockpit sole, and then out
into the aft-most well. These cockpit drain holes will work well
when the boat is level (draining rain water), but when she's heeled,
water from the cockpit sole will flow into the lee locker. I didn't
realize this until I had made everything. I'm considering small
plugs or a one-way valve (or something), but I'll wait until I hit
the water to work that all out.
I've also mulled some type of valve arrangement, to keep water from
backing up into the cockpit sole. As you may have noticed, however,
my aft-well is designed to be dry. The rudder post is sealed by a
length of plastic pipe, and there are two home-made bailers at either
corner of my aft-well. If it all works to plan, water should not
collect in the aft well.
3. The interior is ugly. Really. A bolgerista on the web had
commented that their boat's interior (finished with epoxy coated
wood) looked like a dark cave. I thought I would avoid this by
having a white interior. I initially went with white tinted epoxy,
thinking that I would spare myself painting the
interior. Wrong. The tint wasn't robust enough and only gave me a
cloudy milky interior even with two coats. Blech! I also had spots
where I did not tint (e.g., where the chine logs were to be fastened,
and at the bulkheads. I wanted a strong bond and had read that tint
might affect epoxies bonding strength). So I had strips of wood
coated in regular epoxy once I assembled the interior. "I'll just
paint those spots white." And the paint didn't match the epoxy
tint. *great* A couple coats of paint over the whole interior would
fix the problem, but I'm busy working on more critical bits.
Besides the aesthetics, the interior is built to plan (with a
slightly shorter hatch. Shorter by 6 inches I recall but I would
have to check. Again, I was following Dan's experience here). The
bunks are built to stock height
(my head just barely rubs the ceiling when I sit on the bunk flats
without a cushion). The bunk supports (the "fins" that the bunk
flats lay upon) are thicker than planned (1 inch thick). The bunk
covers are two-pieces (makes them easier to move about the interior,
and easier to pull one and fish around in the wine cellar. The only
real modification is that there's a little storage retained under the
cockpit (under the bench seat which runs from port to stbd.).
Please keep your comments and suggestions coming. Even if I cannot
learn from your experiences, someone else surely will.
Bill, in Ohio
--- In <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>bolger@yahoogroups.com,
"Nels" <arvent@...> wrote:
>Nels(and Bill in Ohio),
> I totally agree with Peter and Phil about the inclined backrests in
> LESTAT being a great addition. However when I saw the first photos of
> Bill's cockpit, I observed that the seats are perhaps a bit narrow to
> allow enough space for the backrests?
Perhaps it would not be too much a chore to simply widen the
benches,inboard,with a plank or two yet keeping enough width in the
cockpit to stand up comfortably.The "lip" caused by the widening of
the benches would also come in handy as hand grips if nifty little
oval holes are cut into them say every 16 inches or so or(better yet!)
for precisely cut holes for beer/wine/grog bottles kept right at
hand :-)
The tapered cushions are a neat work-around but have to be stored
when not in use,may well slip,slide and can blown over board in the
wrong conditions and must be kept out of the rain if not covered with
water-proof material.The built in inclined backrest gets around all of
the above :-)
I can't wait to see how Bill does his interior!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@...> wrote:
Perhaps it would not be too much a chore to simply widen the
benches,inboard,with a plank or two yet keeping enough width in the
cockpit to stand up comfortably.The "lip" caused by the widening of
the benches would also come in handy as hand grips if nifty little
oval holes are cut into them say every 16 inches or so or(better yet!)
for precisely cut holes for beer/wine/grog bottles kept right at
hand :-)
The tapered cushions are a neat work-around but have to be stored
when not in use,may well slip,slide and can blown over board in the
wrong conditions and must be kept out of the rain if not covered with
water-proof material.The built in inclined backrest gets around all of
the above :-)
I can't wait to see how Bill does his interior!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
>Nels(and Bill in Ohio),
> I totally agree with Peter and Phil about the inclined backrests in
> LESTAT being a great addition. However when I saw the first photos of
> Bill's cockpit, I observed that the seats are perhaps a bit narrow to
> allow enough space for the backrests?
Perhaps it would not be too much a chore to simply widen the
benches,inboard,with a plank or two yet keeping enough width in the
cockpit to stand up comfortably.The "lip" caused by the widening of
the benches would also come in handy as hand grips if nifty little
oval holes are cut into them say every 16 inches or so or(better yet!)
for precisely cut holes for beer/wine/grog bottles kept right at
hand :-)
The tapered cushions are a neat work-around but have to be stored
when not in use,may well slip,slide and can blown over board in the
wrong conditions and must be kept out of the rain if not covered with
water-proof material.The built in inclined backrest gets around all of
the above :-)
I can't wait to see how Bill does his interior!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan" <peterlenihan@...> wrote:
I totally agree with Peter and Phil about the inclined backrests in
LESTAT being a great addition. However when I saw the first photos of
Bill's cockpit, I observed that the seats are perhaps a bit narrow to
allow enough space for the backrests? So I never suggested it to him.
I would guess that in Zephyr the seats are at least 6" wider. Dan
included another innovation. Zephyr comes with two wedge shaped
cushions about six inches deep, a foot high and three feet long.
Thought that was another neat innovation. These could be a suggestion
for any of the Micro designs.
I really like the way Bill arranged the drains in each aft corner of
the cockpit. A person might consider rubber flaps to prevent water
coming back in if in big waves are coming from astern. They could
added any time if this becomes a factor.
Nels
> She is looking great! Just took a peak at your cockpit and wonderHi Peter, Bill,
> whether or not you have considered adding an inclined back rest,as I
> did on the Micro LESTAT? My poor old lower back always appreciated
> it and Bolger found it just grand when he visited it in Newport
> Rhode Island,at the Woodenboat show in 1993. It is a relatively easy
> thing to add too! Ask Nels how he likes it too :-)
>
I totally agree with Peter and Phil about the inclined backrests in
LESTAT being a great addition. However when I saw the first photos of
Bill's cockpit, I observed that the seats are perhaps a bit narrow to
allow enough space for the backrests? So I never suggested it to him.
I would guess that in Zephyr the seats are at least 6" wider. Dan
included another innovation. Zephyr comes with two wedge shaped
cushions about six inches deep, a foot high and three feet long.
Thought that was another neat innovation. These could be a suggestion
for any of the Micro designs.
I really like the way Bill arranged the drains in each aft corner of
the cockpit. A person might consider rubber flaps to prevent water
coming back in if in big waves are coming from astern. They could
added any time if this becomes a factor.
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, William King <kingw@...> wrote:
She is looking great! Just took a peak at your cockpit and wonder
whether or not you have considered adding an inclined back rest,as I
did on the Micro LESTAT? My poor old lower back always appreciated
it and Bolger found it just grand when he visited it in Newport
Rhode Island,at the Woodenboat show in 1993. It is a relatively easy
thing to add too! Ask Nels how he likes it too :-)
Comtinued success Bill!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan, looking forward to more wonderful pictures as they
become available,from along the shores of the mighty
St.Lawrence............
>Hi,Bill in Ohio,
> Hi all,
> I have updated pictures of my Long Micro construction at:
>http://personal.bgsu.edu/~kingw/boat/
She is looking great! Just took a peak at your cockpit and wonder
whether or not you have considered adding an inclined back rest,as I
did on the Micro LESTAT? My poor old lower back always appreciated
it and Bolger found it just grand when he visited it in Newport
Rhode Island,at the Woodenboat show in 1993. It is a relatively easy
thing to add too! Ask Nels how he likes it too :-)
Comtinued success Bill!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan, looking forward to more wonderful pictures as they
become available,from along the shores of the mighty
St.Lawrence............
Nels,
Thanks. It's coming along slow but steady.
By "little pointy bow" do you mean my Bolger Gypsy? I built her back
in 1997, sailed her quite a bit (not much sailing these days). She's
resting on her trailer and awaiting her turn for fresh paint.
Bolger boats. They're an addiction.
Bill, in Ohio
Thanks. It's coming along slow but steady.
By "little pointy bow" do you mean my Bolger Gypsy? I built her back
in 1997, sailed her quite a bit (not much sailing these days). She's
resting on her trailer and awaiting her turn for fresh paint.
Bolger boats. They're an addiction.
Bill, in Ohio
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@...> wrote:
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, William King <kingw@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> > I have updated pictures of my Long Micro construction at:
> >http://personal.bgsu.edu/~kingw/boat/
> >
> > There are six new pictures. All are my best attempts at capturing
> > the LM overall, with some general
> > pictures of my self-bailing (I hope) cockpit. I'm currently working
> > on the framing for the fore-well, making decent progress, and having
> fun.
> >
> > Enjoy!
> > Bill, in Ohio
> >
> Looking great Bill! It's a big boat to get into a photo isn't it?
>
> What is the story on the little pointy bow to starboard in the first
> photo?
>
> Nels
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, William King <kingw@...> wrote:
What is the story on the little pointy bow to starboard in the first
photo?
Nels
>fun.
> Hi all,
> I have updated pictures of my Long Micro construction at:
>http://personal.bgsu.edu/~kingw/boat/
>
> There are six new pictures. All are my best attempts at capturing
> the LM overall, with some general
> pictures of my self-bailing (I hope) cockpit. I'm currently working
> on the framing for the fore-well, making decent progress, and having
>Looking great Bill! It's a big boat to get into a photo isn't it?
> Enjoy!
> Bill, in Ohio
>
What is the story on the little pointy bow to starboard in the first
photo?
Nels
Hi all,
I have updated pictures of my Long Micro construction at:
http://personal.bgsu.edu/~kingw/boat/
There are six new pictures. All are my best attempts at capturing
the LM overall, with some general
pictures of my self-bailing (I hope) cockpit. I'm currently working
on the framing for the fore-well, making decent progress, and having fun.
Enjoy!
Bill, in Ohio
I have updated pictures of my Long Micro construction at:
http://personal.bgsu.edu/~kingw/boat/
There are six new pictures. All are my best attempts at capturing
the LM overall, with some general
pictures of my self-bailing (I hope) cockpit. I'm currently working
on the framing for the fore-well, making decent progress, and having fun.
Enjoy!
Bill, in Ohio