Re: Windsprint value?
Awhile back Gary posted this info about two Windsprints in southern
New Hampshire, well, I was reading through the latest issue of Uncle
Henry's (Maine's weekly swap it or sell it guide) and there they were,
on page 90.
I talked to the woman who has the boats and she seems quite nice. I
thought seriously about buying them or at least one of them, thinking
I might turn it into an outrigger canoe or maybe a trimaran, but Now
I'm thinking no just because I don't need an open boat right now.
I post this because I would like to see the boats go to someone who
could use them. She's only asking $1500 a piece for them including
carbon masts, brand new sails, all other rigging parts, etc.
I won't post her phone number, but Gary might provide it to someone
who was seriously interested or you can pick up a copy of uncle
henry's or go online at:
http://unclehenrys.com/Home.aspx
You'll have to register to see the most current ads but registration
is free and this is an excellent resource for people looking to buy
and sell boats.
Hope this helps someone,
Steve in Maine
New Hampshire, well, I was reading through the latest issue of Uncle
Henry's (Maine's weekly swap it or sell it guide) and there they were,
on page 90.
I talked to the woman who has the boats and she seems quite nice. I
thought seriously about buying them or at least one of them, thinking
I might turn it into an outrigger canoe or maybe a trimaran, but Now
I'm thinking no just because I don't need an open boat right now.
I post this because I would like to see the boats go to someone who
could use them. She's only asking $1500 a piece for them including
carbon masts, brand new sails, all other rigging parts, etc.
I won't post her phone number, but Gary might provide it to someone
who was seriously interested or you can pick up a copy of uncle
henry's or go online at:
http://unclehenrys.com/Home.aspx
You'll have to register to see the most current ads but registration
is free and this is an excellent resource for people looking to buy
and sell boats.
Hope this helps someone,
Steve in Maine
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Lepak" <gnjlepak@...> wrote:
>
> This message was posted on the proa_file group yesterday. I thought
some
> folks here might have an opinion, which I will pass along to Wade, the
> original poster, or you could email him directly. Or perhaps
someone might
> be interested in looking at these Windsprints and making an offer.
Boats
> are in New Hampshire. Has anyone here sold simple plywood boats for
more
> than the cost of materials?
>
> Gary Lepak
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "wtarzia" <wtarzia@...>
> To: <proa_file@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 6:26 PM
> Subject: [proa_file] No proa content but I seek advice in a good cause
>
>
> > Everybody eventually meets a widow who has to dispose of her late
> > husband's wooden boat project, and I did this weekend. The widow's
> > husband built two "Dynamite" Payson Windsprints (16 feet double-ended
> > sharpie-type design, outside chine, 1/4 plywood, balanced lug), one
> > for himself, one for grandkids. He died. The parents of grandkids
> > don't want theirs. Widow wants to sell. She asked me what they were
> > worth -- I don't have much clue about what to tell her, and so I need
> > help. She will advertise in Wooden Boat magazine after she knows
> > what kind of price seems fair. I get no commission, doing this just
> > as a favor for my mother's friend ;-)
> >
> > They are built exactly to Payson's plans as far as I could tell. The
> > skill level was competent amateur (builder was a wood worker hobbyist
> > with good skills and a huge workshop he built himself in Kingston,
> > New Hampsire, hardly a half-mile off Route 125 if any New Englanders
> > here are interested).
> >
> > One boat seems ready to go except for a final sanding of primer and a
> > finish coat. The other was finished in all major ways except for the
> > kick-up rudder (that needs a layer of glass I think), prime and
> > finish coats, and detail-carpentry (such as breaking the edges of
> > some planks, some epoxy filling, sanding, etc., though hull looks
> > smooth enough to prime coat now).
> >
> > Construction is butt strapped plywood (+fiberglass tape on outside
> > joints), and light fiberglass on all sides of boat, two flotation
> > chambers (one each end), two heavy rubstrips on the bottom, and
> > daggerboard (laminated wood strips). Heavy gunnels per the Payson
> > book. Thick epoxy fillets, fiberglassed over. The builder knew what
> > he was doing even if the epoxy got out of control in minor spots here
> > and there. I could not tell if the plywood was marine or what. I
> > saw very few gaps in the plies where they were explosed along the
> > gunnel on the unpainted boat, but there were a few (way fewer than my
> > Home Depot exterior A/C plywood used for cheap hulls, but you'd have
> > to judge for self).
> >
> > Rigs: custom carbon spars (!) and new dacron sails 113 square feet if
> > they match the Payson plans.
> >
> > Hardware: bronze and SS, cleats, pintels, oarlocks, each boat.
> > Compass each boat. No trailers that I saw.
> >
> > I estimate the hull materials (wood, epoxy, fiberglass), carbon
> > spars, and new dacron sails represent ~$2,500 per boat of material
> > costs, not including any labor-hours, which the widow agrees is
> > probably lost as far as the market goes. I suggested to her the
> > $2,500 as a minimum price, but I have no idea what the market
> > actually bears. Do people buy boxy Bolger/Payson boats designed for
> > amateur construction, even if new?
> >
> > She will throw in a box-mast that he made before deciding it was too
> > boxy and heavy and went all-out for carbon. There is an outboard
> > motor, new or hardly used, 3 hp, but a brand I never heard of (Tomos
> > or something like that). Any advice about what she could ask for
> > these boats will be much appreciated. E-mail me off-list if you
> > prefer: wtarzia@... -- thanks -- Wade
>
Gary-
I'm a newbie to the list and just found this post. Are the Windsprints
still for sail? If so, could you send pictures?
-Steve
I'm a newbie to the list and just found this post. Are the Windsprints
still for sail? If so, could you send pictures?
-Steve
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Lepak" <gnjlepak@...> wrote:
>
> This message was posted on the proa_file group yesterday. I thought
some
> folks here might have an opinion, which I will pass along to Wade, the
> original poster, or you could email him directly. Or perhaps
someone might
> be interested in looking at these Windsprints and making an offer.
Boats
> are in New Hampshire. Has anyone here sold simple plywood boats for
more
> than the cost of materials?
>
> Gary Lepak
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "wtarzia" <wtarzia@...>
> To: <proa_file@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 6:26 PM
> Subject: [proa_file] No proa content but I seek advice in a good cause
>
>
> > Everybody eventually meets a widow who has to dispose of her late
> > husband's wooden boat project, and I did this weekend. The widow's
> > husband built two "Dynamite" Payson Windsprints (16 feet double-ended
> > sharpie-type design, outside chine, 1/4 plywood, balanced lug), one
> > for himself, one for grandkids. He died. The parents of grandkids
> > don't want theirs. Widow wants to sell. She asked me what they were
> > worth -- I don't have much clue about what to tell her, and so I need
> > help. She will advertise in Wooden Boat magazine after she knows
> > what kind of price seems fair. I get no commission, doing this just
> > as a favor for my mother's friend ;-)
> >
> > They are built exactly to Payson's plans as far as I could tell. The
> > skill level was competent amateur (builder was a wood worker hobbyist
> > with good skills and a huge workshop he built himself in Kingston,
> > New Hampsire, hardly a half-mile off Route 125 if any New Englanders
> > here are interested).
> >
> > One boat seems ready to go except for a final sanding of primer and a
> > finish coat. The other was finished in all major ways except for the
> > kick-up rudder (that needs a layer of glass I think), prime and
> > finish coats, and detail-carpentry (such as breaking the edges of
> > some planks, some epoxy filling, sanding, etc., though hull looks
> > smooth enough to prime coat now).
> >
> > Construction is butt strapped plywood (+fiberglass tape on outside
> > joints), and light fiberglass on all sides of boat, two flotation
> > chambers (one each end), two heavy rubstrips on the bottom, and
> > daggerboard (laminated wood strips). Heavy gunnels per the Payson
> > book. Thick epoxy fillets, fiberglassed over. The builder knew what
> > he was doing even if the epoxy got out of control in minor spots here
> > and there. I could not tell if the plywood was marine or what. I
> > saw very few gaps in the plies where they were explosed along the
> > gunnel on the unpainted boat, but there were a few (way fewer than my
> > Home Depot exterior A/C plywood used for cheap hulls, but you'd have
> > to judge for self).
> >
> > Rigs: custom carbon spars (!) and new dacron sails 113 square feet if
> > they match the Payson plans.
> >
> > Hardware: bronze and SS, cleats, pintels, oarlocks, each boat.
> > Compass each boat. No trailers that I saw.
> >
> > I estimate the hull materials (wood, epoxy, fiberglass), carbon
> > spars, and new dacron sails represent ~$2,500 per boat of material
> > costs, not including any labor-hours, which the widow agrees is
> > probably lost as far as the market goes. I suggested to her the
> > $2,500 as a minimum price, but I have no idea what the market
> > actually bears. Do people buy boxy Bolger/Payson boats designed for
> > amateur construction, even if new?
> >
> > She will throw in a box-mast that he made before deciding it was too
> > boxy and heavy and went all-out for carbon. There is an outboard
> > motor, new or hardly used, 3 hp, but a brand I never heard of (Tomos
> > or something like that). Any advice about what she could ask for
> > these boats will be much appreciated. E-mail me off-list if you
> > prefer: wtarzia@... -- thanks -- Wade
>
Gary,
You might want to advertise in 'Messing About in Boats'. Their clientele is more likely to be interested than 'Woodenboat' readers.
One of the problems with selling homemade boats is that they compete with used fiberglass boats. Add to that the fact that these boats are not finished and that used fg boats in the projected price range usually come with a trailer and a variety of gear (PFD's, a paddle, perhaps an anchor or compass) and these Windsprints get less valuable.
I find that everything has two prices--what someone will sell it for and what someone will buy it for. When these two prices get close, a sale occurs. In this case, I would guess that the price someone will buy it for will be closer to $1,000 than $2,500. Hope I'm wrong. Good luck and, if possible, let us know what the boats sell for.
JohnT
You might want to advertise in 'Messing About in Boats'. Their clientele is more likely to be interested than 'Woodenboat' readers.
One of the problems with selling homemade boats is that they compete with used fiberglass boats. Add to that the fact that these boats are not finished and that used fg boats in the projected price range usually come with a trailer and a variety of gear (PFD's, a paddle, perhaps an anchor or compass) and these Windsprints get less valuable.
I find that everything has two prices--what someone will sell it for and what someone will buy it for. When these two prices get close, a sale occurs. In this case, I would guess that the price someone will buy it for will be closer to $1,000 than $2,500. Hope I'm wrong. Good luck and, if possible, let us know what the boats sell for.
JohnT
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Lepak
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 12:28 PM
Subject: [bolger] Windsprint value?
This message was posted on the proa_file group yesterday. I thought some
folks here might have an opinion, which I will pass along to Wade, the
original poster, or you could email him directly. Or perhaps someone might
be interested in looking at these Windsprints and making an offer. Boats
are in New Hampshire. Has anyone here sold simple plywood boats for more
than the cost of materials?
Gary Lepak
----- Original Message -----
From: "wtarzia" <wtarzia@...>
To: <proa_file@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 6:26 PM
Subject: [proa_file] No proa content but I seek advice in a good cause
> Everybody eventually meets a widow who has to dispose of her late
> husband's wooden boat project, and I did this weekend. The widow's
> husband built two "Dynamite" Payson Windsprints (16 feet double-ended
> sharpie-type design, outside chine, 1/4 plywood, balanced lug), one
> for himself, one for grandkids. He died. The parents of grandkids
> don't want theirs. Widow wants to sell. She asked me what they were
> worth -- I don't have much clue about what to tell her, and so I need
> help. She will advertise in Wooden Boat magazine after she knows
> what kind of price seems fair. I get no commission, doing this just
> as a favor for my mother's friend ;-)
>
> They are built exactly to Payson's plans as far as I could tell. The
> skill level was competent amateur (builder was a wood worker hobbyist
> with good skills and a huge workshop he built himself in Kingston,
> New Hampsire, hardly a half-mile off Route 125 if any New Englanders
> here are interested).
>
> One boat seems ready to go except for a final sanding of primer and a
> finish coat. The other was finished in all major ways except for the
> kick-up rudder (that needs a layer of glass I think), prime and
> finish coats, and detail-carpentry (such as breaking the edges of
> some planks, some epoxy filling, sanding, etc., though hull looks
> smooth enough to prime coat now).
>
> Construction is butt strapped plywood (+fiberglass tape on outside
> joints), and light fiberglass on all sides of boat, two flotation
> chambers (one each end), two heavy rubstrips on the bottom, and
> daggerboard (laminated wood strips). Heavy gunnels per the Payson
> book. Thick epoxy fillets, fiberglassed over. The builder knew what
> he was doing even if the epoxy got out of control in minor spots here
> and there. I could not tell if the plywood was marine or what. I
> saw very few gaps in the plies where they were explosed along the
> gunnel on the unpainted boat, but there were a few (way fewer than my
> Home Depot exterior A/C plywood used for cheap hulls, but you'd have
> to judge for self).
>
> Rigs: custom carbon spars (!) and new dacron sails 113 square feet if
> they match the Payson plans.
>
> Hardware: bronze and SS, cleats, pintels, oarlocks, each boat.
> Compass each boat. No trailers that I saw.
>
> I estimate the hull materials (wood, epoxy, fiberglass), carbon
> spars, and new dacron sails represent ~$2,500 per boat of material
> costs, not including any labor-hours, which the widow agrees is
> probably lost as far as the market goes. I suggested to her the
> $2,500 as a minimum price, but I have no idea what the market
> actually bears. Do people buy boxy Bolger/Payson boats designed for
> amateur construction, even if new?
>
> She will throw in a box-mast that he made before deciding it was too
> boxy and heavy and went all-out for carbon. There is an outboard
> motor, new or hardly used, 3 hp, but a brand I never heard of (Tomos
> or something like that). Any advice about what she could ask for
> these boats will be much appreciated. E-mail me off-list if you
> prefer:wtarzia@...-- thanks -- Wade
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Wade -
For what it's worth, I have ridden a Tomos moped for about a year, and
it's a gem. Based on that experience, I wouldn't hesitate to buy a
Tomos outboard. I assume it's a 2-cycle, like the moped, and may have
oil injection rather than require a gas/oil mix, like the moped.
- Will
For what it's worth, I have ridden a Tomos moped for about a year, and
it's a gem. Based on that experience, I wouldn't hesitate to buy a
Tomos outboard. I assume it's a 2-cycle, like the moped, and may have
oil injection rather than require a gas/oil mix, like the moped.
- Will
Here in Australia a gift to charity such as a boat is given the same tax
deductable value as its true value, I donated a boat I had built to a
registered charity and was given full market value, that is the insured
amount or the cost of getting the same boat replaced.
Dont know how it is in the USA but its worth checking..........Just my 2
cents
Mark.
-------Original Message-------
From: Patrick Crockett
Date: 11/27/06 15:11:14
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Windsprint value?
$2500 for materials is about right (plus whatever carbon fiber masts
cost). It is hard for me to imagine anyone being willing to pay more
than $2000 to $2500 per boat, particularly since they both need
painting. Best bet would be to cart them to a show like the MASCF --
almost certainly someone there would be interested (though maybe not at
$2.5K per boat). I fear the widow should probably be focused more on
getting the boats to a good home than on recovering significant cash.
Indeed, she might want to consider donating them to an appropriate
middle- or high-school, non-profit summer camp, or sea-scout ship and
taking a tax write-off for the materials.
If she doesn't find a buyer for the boats, the masts and sails can
probably be sold for cost to someone building a Windsprint.
Patrick
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deductable value as its true value, I donated a boat I had built to a
registered charity and was given full market value, that is the insured
amount or the cost of getting the same boat replaced.
Dont know how it is in the USA but its worth checking..........Just my 2
cents
Mark.
-------Original Message-------
From: Patrick Crockett
Date: 11/27/06 15:11:14
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Windsprint value?
$2500 for materials is about right (plus whatever carbon fiber masts
cost). It is hard for me to imagine anyone being willing to pay more
than $2000 to $2500 per boat, particularly since they both need
painting. Best bet would be to cart them to a show like the MASCF --
almost certainly someone there would be interested (though maybe not at
$2.5K per boat). I fear the widow should probably be focused more on
getting the boats to a good home than on recovering significant cash.
Indeed, she might want to consider donating them to an appropriate
middle- or high-school, non-profit summer camp, or sea-scout ship and
taking a tax write-off for the materials.
If she doesn't find a buyer for the boats, the masts and sails can
probably be sold for cost to someone building a Windsprint.
Patrick
Gary Lepak wrote:
> This message was posted on the proa_file group yesterday. I thought somemight
> folks here might have an opinion, which I will pass along to Wade, the
> original poster, or you could email him directly. Or perhaps someone
> be interested in looking at these Windsprints and making an offer. Boatshorses
> are in New Hampshire. Has anyone here sold simple plywood boats for more
> than the cost of materials?
>
> Gary Lepak
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "wtarzia" <wtarzia@...>
> To: <proa_file@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 6:26 PM
> Subject: [proa_file] No proa content but I seek advice in a good cause
>
>
>
>> Everybody eventually meets a widow who has to dispose of her late
>> husband's wooden boat project, and I did this weekend. The widow's
>> husband built two "Dynamite" Payson Windsprints (16 feet double-ended
>> sharpie-type design, outside chine, 1/4 plywood, balanced lug), one
>> for himself, one for grandkids. He died. The parents of grandkids
>> don't want theirs. Widow wants to sell. She asked me what they were
>> worth -- I don't have much clue about what to tell her, and so I need
>> help. She will advertise in Wooden Boat magazine after she knows
>> what kind of price seems fair. I get no commission, doing this just
>> as a favor for my mother's friend ;-)
>>
>> They are built exactly to Payson's plans as far as I could tell. The
>> skill level was competent amateur (builder was a wood worker hobbyist
>> with good skills and a huge workshop he built himself in Kingston,
>> New Hampsire, hardly a half-mile off Route 125 if any New Englanders
>> here are interested).
>>
>> One boat seems ready to go except for a final sanding of primer and a
>> finish coat. The other was finished in all major ways except for the
>> kick-up rudder (that needs a layer of glass I think), prime and
>> finish coats, and detail-carpentry (such as breaking the edges of
>> some planks, some epoxy filling, sanding, etc., though hull looks
>> smooth enough to prime coat now).
>>
>> Construction is butt strapped plywood (+fiberglass tape on outside
>> joints), and light fiberglass on all sides of boat, two flotation
>> chambers (one each end), two heavy rubstrips on the bottom, and
>> daggerboard (laminated wood strips). Heavy gunnels per the Payson
>> book. Thick epoxy fillets, fiberglassed over. The builder knew what
>> he was doing even if the epoxy got out of control in minor spots here
>> and there. I could not tell if the plywood was marine or what. I
>> saw very few gaps in the plies where they were explosed along the
>> gunnel on the unpainted boat, but there were a few (way fewer than my
>> Home Depot exterior A/C plywood used for cheap hulls, but you'd have
>> to judge for self).
>>
>> Rigs: custom carbon spars (!) and new dacron sails 113 square feet if
>> they match the Payson plans.
>>
>> Hardware: bronze and SS, cleats, pintels, oarlocks, each boat.
>> Compass each boat. No trailers that I saw.
>>
>> I estimate the hull materials (wood, epoxy, fiberglass), carbon
>> spars, and new dacron sails represent ~$2,500 per boat of material
>> costs, not including any labor-hours, which the widow agrees is
>> probably lost as far as the market goes. I suggested to her the
>> $2,500 as a minimum price, but I have no idea what the market
>> actually bears. Do people buy boxy Bolger/Payson boats designed for
>> amateur construction, even if new?
>>
>> She will throw in a box-mast that he made before deciding it was too
>> boxy and heavy and went all-out for carbon. There is an outboard
>> motor, new or hardly used, 3 hp, but a brand I never heard of (Tomos
>> or something like that). Any advice about what she could ask for
>> these boats will be much appreciated. E-mail me off-list if you
>> prefer:wtarzia@...-- thanks -- Wade
>>
>
>
>
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$2500 for materials is about right (plus whatever carbon fiber masts
cost). It is hard for me to imagine anyone being willing to pay more
than $2000 to $2500 per boat, particularly since they both need
painting. Best bet would be to cart them to a show like the MASCF --
almost certainly someone there would be interested (though maybe not at
$2.5K per boat). I fear the widow should probably be focused more on
getting the boats to a good home than on recovering significant cash.
Indeed, she might want to consider donating them to an appropriate
middle- or high-school, non-profit summer camp, or sea-scout ship and
taking a tax write-off for the materials.
If she doesn't find a buyer for the boats, the masts and sails can
probably be sold for cost to someone building a Windsprint.
Patrick
Gary Lepak wrote:
cost). It is hard for me to imagine anyone being willing to pay more
than $2000 to $2500 per boat, particularly since they both need
painting. Best bet would be to cart them to a show like the MASCF --
almost certainly someone there would be interested (though maybe not at
$2.5K per boat). I fear the widow should probably be focused more on
getting the boats to a good home than on recovering significant cash.
Indeed, she might want to consider donating them to an appropriate
middle- or high-school, non-profit summer camp, or sea-scout ship and
taking a tax write-off for the materials.
If she doesn't find a buyer for the boats, the masts and sails can
probably be sold for cost to someone building a Windsprint.
Patrick
Gary Lepak wrote:
> This message was posted on the proa_file group yesterday. I thought some
> folks here might have an opinion, which I will pass along to Wade, the
> original poster, or you could email him directly. Or perhaps someone might
> be interested in looking at these Windsprints and making an offer. Boats
> are in New Hampshire. Has anyone here sold simple plywood boats for more
> than the cost of materials?
>
> Gary Lepak
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "wtarzia" <wtarzia@...>
> To: <proa_file@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 6:26 PM
> Subject: [proa_file] No proa content but I seek advice in a good cause
>
>
>
>> Everybody eventually meets a widow who has to dispose of her late
>> husband's wooden boat project, and I did this weekend. The widow's
>> husband built two "Dynamite" Payson Windsprints (16 feet double-ended
>> sharpie-type design, outside chine, 1/4 plywood, balanced lug), one
>> for himself, one for grandkids. He died. The parents of grandkids
>> don't want theirs. Widow wants to sell. She asked me what they were
>> worth -- I don't have much clue about what to tell her, and so I need
>> help. She will advertise in Wooden Boat magazine after she knows
>> what kind of price seems fair. I get no commission, doing this just
>> as a favor for my mother's friend ;-)
>>
>> They are built exactly to Payson's plans as far as I could tell. The
>> skill level was competent amateur (builder was a wood worker hobbyist
>> with good skills and a huge workshop he built himself in Kingston,
>> New Hampsire, hardly a half-mile off Route 125 if any New Englanders
>> here are interested).
>>
>> One boat seems ready to go except for a final sanding of primer and a
>> finish coat. The other was finished in all major ways except for the
>> kick-up rudder (that needs a layer of glass I think), prime and
>> finish coats, and detail-carpentry (such as breaking the edges of
>> some planks, some epoxy filling, sanding, etc., though hull looks
>> smooth enough to prime coat now).
>>
>> Construction is butt strapped plywood (+fiberglass tape on outside
>> joints), and light fiberglass on all sides of boat, two flotation
>> chambers (one each end), two heavy rubstrips on the bottom, and
>> daggerboard (laminated wood strips). Heavy gunnels per the Payson
>> book. Thick epoxy fillets, fiberglassed over. The builder knew what
>> he was doing even if the epoxy got out of control in minor spots here
>> and there. I could not tell if the plywood was marine or what. I
>> saw very few gaps in the plies where they were explosed along the
>> gunnel on the unpainted boat, but there were a few (way fewer than my
>> Home Depot exterior A/C plywood used for cheap hulls, but you'd have
>> to judge for self).
>>
>> Rigs: custom carbon spars (!) and new dacron sails 113 square feet if
>> they match the Payson plans.
>>
>> Hardware: bronze and SS, cleats, pintels, oarlocks, each boat.
>> Compass each boat. No trailers that I saw.
>>
>> I estimate the hull materials (wood, epoxy, fiberglass), carbon
>> spars, and new dacron sails represent ~$2,500 per boat of material
>> costs, not including any labor-hours, which the widow agrees is
>> probably lost as far as the market goes. I suggested to her the
>> $2,500 as a minimum price, but I have no idea what the market
>> actually bears. Do people buy boxy Bolger/Payson boats designed for
>> amateur construction, even if new?
>>
>> She will throw in a box-mast that he made before deciding it was too
>> boxy and heavy and went all-out for carbon. There is an outboard
>> motor, new or hardly used, 3 hp, but a brand I never heard of (Tomos
>> or something like that). Any advice about what she could ask for
>> these boats will be much appreciated. E-mail me off-list if you
>> prefer:wtarzia@...-- thanks -- Wade
>>
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This message was posted on the proa_file group yesterday. I thought some
folks here might have an opinion, which I will pass along to Wade, the
original poster, or you could email him directly. Or perhaps someone might
be interested in looking at these Windsprints and making an offer. Boats
are in New Hampshire. Has anyone here sold simple plywood boats for more
than the cost of materials?
Gary Lepak
folks here might have an opinion, which I will pass along to Wade, the
original poster, or you could email him directly. Or perhaps someone might
be interested in looking at these Windsprints and making an offer. Boats
are in New Hampshire. Has anyone here sold simple plywood boats for more
than the cost of materials?
Gary Lepak
----- Original Message -----
From: "wtarzia" <wtarzia@...>
To: <proa_file@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 6:26 PM
Subject: [proa_file] No proa content but I seek advice in a good cause
> Everybody eventually meets a widow who has to dispose of her late
> husband's wooden boat project, and I did this weekend. The widow's
> husband built two "Dynamite" Payson Windsprints (16 feet double-ended
> sharpie-type design, outside chine, 1/4 plywood, balanced lug), one
> for himself, one for grandkids. He died. The parents of grandkids
> don't want theirs. Widow wants to sell. She asked me what they were
> worth -- I don't have much clue about what to tell her, and so I need
> help. She will advertise in Wooden Boat magazine after she knows
> what kind of price seems fair. I get no commission, doing this just
> as a favor for my mother's friend ;-)
>
> They are built exactly to Payson's plans as far as I could tell. The
> skill level was competent amateur (builder was a wood worker hobbyist
> with good skills and a huge workshop he built himself in Kingston,
> New Hampsire, hardly a half-mile off Route 125 if any New Englanders
> here are interested).
>
> One boat seems ready to go except for a final sanding of primer and a
> finish coat. The other was finished in all major ways except for the
> kick-up rudder (that needs a layer of glass I think), prime and
> finish coats, and detail-carpentry (such as breaking the edges of
> some planks, some epoxy filling, sanding, etc., though hull looks
> smooth enough to prime coat now).
>
> Construction is butt strapped plywood (+fiberglass tape on outside
> joints), and light fiberglass on all sides of boat, two flotation
> chambers (one each end), two heavy rubstrips on the bottom, and
> daggerboard (laminated wood strips). Heavy gunnels per the Payson
> book. Thick epoxy fillets, fiberglassed over. The builder knew what
> he was doing even if the epoxy got out of control in minor spots here
> and there. I could not tell if the plywood was marine or what. I
> saw very few gaps in the plies where they were explosed along the
> gunnel on the unpainted boat, but there were a few (way fewer than my
> Home Depot exterior A/C plywood used for cheap hulls, but you'd have
> to judge for self).
>
> Rigs: custom carbon spars (!) and new dacron sails 113 square feet if
> they match the Payson plans.
>
> Hardware: bronze and SS, cleats, pintels, oarlocks, each boat.
> Compass each boat. No trailers that I saw.
>
> I estimate the hull materials (wood, epoxy, fiberglass), carbon
> spars, and new dacron sails represent ~$2,500 per boat of material
> costs, not including any labor-hours, which the widow agrees is
> probably lost as far as the market goes. I suggested to her the
> $2,500 as a minimum price, but I have no idea what the market
> actually bears. Do people buy boxy Bolger/Payson boats designed for
> amateur construction, even if new?
>
> She will throw in a box-mast that he made before deciding it was too
> boxy and heavy and went all-out for carbon. There is an outboard
> motor, new or hardly used, 3 hp, but a brand I never heard of (Tomos
> or something like that). Any advice about what she could ask for
> these boats will be much appreciated. E-mail me off-list if you
> prefer:wtarzia@...-- thanks -- Wade