Re: [bolger] Re: Outboard Cruiser
In a message dated 6/13/00 3:29:09 PM Central Daylight Time,
pvanderw@...writes:
<< What about using the hull of the "Sharpshooter" skiff? >>
I've forgotten what started this thread out, but "Sharpshooter" is design #7
in "30 Odd Boats) (perhaps out of print). In any case, Bolger makes quite a
point about how uncomfortable and potentially dangerous top hamper made the
boat. His solution to the problem is undoubtedly exemplary from an
engineering point of view, but a 23' boat with people accomodations only
slightly superior to a "Sunfish" sailboat is not likely to inspire the sorts
of fantasies that cause otherwise socially functional people to build boats.
I definitely get the impression from looking at some of Bolger's designs that
ergonomics are not his highest priority. Do all of Bolger's small, "cheap"
sailboats require the sailor to sit with his or her rear-end in the bilge? I
would prefer to keep my butt dry and perched on something more comfortable
than a gunwale!
Bill in MN
pvanderw@...writes:
<< What about using the hull of the "Sharpshooter" skiff? >>
I've forgotten what started this thread out, but "Sharpshooter" is design #7
in "30 Odd Boats) (perhaps out of print). In any case, Bolger makes quite a
point about how uncomfortable and potentially dangerous top hamper made the
boat. His solution to the problem is undoubtedly exemplary from an
engineering point of view, but a 23' boat with people accomodations only
slightly superior to a "Sunfish" sailboat is not likely to inspire the sorts
of fantasies that cause otherwise socially functional people to build boats.
I definitely get the impression from looking at some of Bolger's designs that
ergonomics are not his highest priority. Do all of Bolger's small, "cheap"
sailboats require the sailor to sit with his or her rear-end in the bilge? I
would prefer to keep my butt dry and perched on something more comfortable
than a gunwale!
Bill in MN
If you have BOATS WITH AN OPEN MIND then you are no doubt
familiar with the "Hawkeye" outboard utility. Issue 7 of Vol. 12
on page 22 MESSING ABOUT IN BOATS discusses plan #587 "Cabin
Hawkeye" 18' 6" x 7' 9". By the way there is an index of all
MAIB articles athttp://www109.pair.com/btsftp/maib/index.html
familiar with the "Hawkeye" outboard utility. Issue 7 of Vol. 12
on page 22 MESSING ABOUT IN BOATS discusses plan #587 "Cabin
Hawkeye" 18' 6" x 7' 9". By the way there is an index of all
MAIB articles athttp://www109.pair.com/btsftp/maib/index.html
> Peter, isnt she the boat which displayed dangerousYes, but let's think about it a little. For a lightweight boat, once
> characteristics, and they had to remove the tophamper? Let alone
> a high top which may encourage standing up.
you set the length and width, the stability is pretty much defined.
As a wide-sterned boat, I suspect the stability of the Sharpshooter
hull is greater than for the Outboard Cruiser (although I didn't see
how long the latter is). I was thinking of a top that was low enough
to encourage sitting down.
The original OB Cruiser concept didn't need the stability of
Sharpshooter because it wasn't meant go to as fast. I surmise that
the problems noted happened above semi-displacement speeds, i.e. on a
full plane. If you run the same hull with a smaller engine, you will
get a docile boat, I should think, although I'm not a poweroboat guy.
The wide stern may cost you in some ways: a little speed at low
horsepower, some smoothness of action.
My chain of thinking started with "Why not extend a FishHawk skiff?"
Then I remembered that PCB had drawn a bigger skiff and suggested it.
Peter
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characteristics, and they had to remove the tophamper? Let alone
a high top which may encourage standing up.
Don
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>Peter, isnt she the boat which displayed dangerous
> What about using the hull of the "Sharpshooter" skiff? (Do I have the
> name right? I mean the one that originally had a console
> with 'Russian Destroyer' styling.) As I recall, its a big boat with
> plenty of room and stability. I would think about a fixed top with
> canvas cabin sides.
>
> Peter
characteristics, and they had to remove the tophamper? Let alone
a high top which may encourage standing up.
Don
What about using the hull of the "Sharpshooter" skiff? (Do I have the
name right? I mean the one that originally had a console
with 'Russian Destroyer' styling.) As I recall, its a big boat with
plenty of room and stability. I would think about a fixed top with
canvas cabin sides.
Peter
name right? I mean the one that originally had a console
with 'Russian Destroyer' styling.) As I recall, its a big boat with
plenty of room and stability. I would think about a fixed top with
canvas cabin sides.
Peter
On Tue, 13 Jun 2000hhankal@...wrote:
"Outboard Cruiser".
> hello john, greetings fm tennessee. you will no doubt get a message fmThis design is the "Sneakeasy", a substantially different boat from
> fritz, who has an excellant web site on his 'sneak'
> (fritzf@...). pcb has plans for sale. she's a piece o cake to
> build. shes also profiled in pcb's book 'boats with an open mind'.
"Outboard Cruiser".
On Tue, 13 Jun 2000, Chuck Leinweber wrote:
powerful engine.
Chris Crandallcrandall@...(785) 864-4131
Department of Psychology University of Kansas Lawrence, KS 66045
I have data convincingly disconfirming the Duhem-Quine hypothesis.
> Would a boat with a flatter run aft (like Idaho) do as well?It would plane sooner, and be able to handle a heavier and more
powerful engine.
> Anyway, I wonder if the Outboard Cruiser would be narrow enough to beIn a word, yes. The beam to lenght ratio is nearly 6.5:1.
> fairly efficient at displacement speeds.
Chris Crandallcrandall@...(785) 864-4131
Department of Psychology University of Kansas Lawrence, KS 66045
I have data convincingly disconfirming the Duhem-Quine hypothesis.
John:
Welcome to the group. I put those files from SBJ in what used to be called
the "vault" (now just files) during a discussion of small power sharpies. I
built Phil's Tennessee in '95, and put a lot of miles on her before selling
her last year. I was considering building something like that Outboard
Cruiser. I still like the concept, and may do one someday.
One of the things that I don't quite understand is the pros/cons of rocker
in the hull. The Tennessee had quite a bit. At rest, both the stem, and
stern would be out of the water, and underway, there was almost no wake.
Would a boat with a flatter run aft (like Idaho) do as well? On the other
hand, the Idaho and Sneakeasy types would be able to get up on a plane, not
that you would want to plane a flat bottomed boat for long.
Anyway, I wonder if the Outboard Cruiser would be narrow enough to be fairly
efficient at displacement speeds.
Chuck
Welcome to the group. I put those files from SBJ in what used to be called
the "vault" (now just files) during a discussion of small power sharpies. I
built Phil's Tennessee in '95, and put a lot of miles on her before selling
her last year. I was considering building something like that Outboard
Cruiser. I still like the concept, and may do one someday.
One of the things that I don't quite understand is the pros/cons of rocker
in the hull. The Tennessee had quite a bit. At rest, both the stem, and
stern would be out of the water, and underway, there was almost no wake.
Would a boat with a flatter run aft (like Idaho) do as well? On the other
hand, the Idaho and Sneakeasy types would be able to get up on a plane, not
that you would want to plane a flat bottomed boat for long.
Anyway, I wonder if the Outboard Cruiser would be narrow enough to be fairly
efficient at displacement speeds.
Chuck
> Hi, all. I'm quite new to the Bolger group and not certain of how to
> find my way around as yet.
>
> For example, in finding out what to click to do a subject search in
> archived postings, I somehow stumbled upon three GIF files,
> apparently scanned from Small Boat Journal, concerning Phil Bolger's
> cartoon (#9) for a flat-bottomed 'Outboard Cruiser'. This is a
> powered sharpie reminiscent of Idaho and Sneakeasy, although shorter.
> Unlike the other two, this 'Outboard Cruiser' has slightly flared
> sides. The bottom is apparently 4 feet wide and my scale indicates
> that the length is in the nature of 23-1/2 feet.
>
> I live beside a (drying) tidal slough just outside Victoria, British
> Columbia. I feel a powered sharpie could be tied up at my landing and
> would be just the ticket for cruising the (speed limited) Gorge
> Waterway into town. I have been considering Sneakeasy and Idaho as my
> first from-scratch project but this 'Outboard Cruiser' could be built
> in my 27-foot-long, single-car garage.
>
> I have searched the group archives without success (and I haven't
> even been able to find my way back to those GIF files), so can anyone
> tell me about this design? Has it beeb built by anyone? More
> elementarily, has PCB produced working drawings for this cartoon?
>
> Thanks. As the rankest of amateurs, it's sure great to know there are
> so many knowledgeable people out there.
>
> John Ewing
hello john, greetings fm tennessee. you will no doubt get a message fm fritz,
who has an excellant web site on his 'sneak' (fritzf@...). pcb has
plans for sale. she's a piece o cake to build. shes also profiled in pcb's
book 'boats with an open mind'.
i built hull some 10 years ago (still incomplete) due to moving, storm damage
and a host of other good reasons. mine has a rear end modified to receive jet
ski motor & thrust...the rear sponsons splay out fm the center to allow the
thrust nozzle to effect turning, rear deck lid added to silence & protect
motor.
good luck, henry
who has an excellant web site on his 'sneak' (fritzf@...). pcb has
plans for sale. she's a piece o cake to build. shes also profiled in pcb's
book 'boats with an open mind'.
i built hull some 10 years ago (still incomplete) due to moving, storm damage
and a host of other good reasons. mine has a rear end modified to receive jet
ski motor & thrust...the rear sponsons splay out fm the center to allow the
thrust nozzle to effect turning, rear deck lid added to silence & protect
motor.
good luck, henry
Welcome, John:
That boat is in the "Files" under "Power Sharpies."
http://www.egroups.com/files/bolger/Power+Sharpies/cruiser2.gif
The complete text of the SBJ article is between
http://www.egroups.com/files/bolger/Power+Sharpies/cruiser_text_1.gif
&
http://www.egroups.com/files/bolger/Power+Sharpies/cruiser_text_2.gif
So far as I know, that's all there is on that particular
boat. I think by using the cartoon and construction details
from similar PB&F boats which are freely available, you
could probably cobble one together yourself and come to
little grief. The sides are straight cuts of ply 2' wide.
You just need to get the angles at the ends right, which
ought to be done with models before cutting much wood.
I always liked that idea a lot. But the "Square Boats" are
worth thinking about. Have you seen the wonderful Square
Boat site of Tim Fatchen's?
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/sbhome.htm#menu
BTW The "FIles" are always accessible for browsing from the
Navigation Bar on the left of your screen.
Mark
lway wrote:
That boat is in the "Files" under "Power Sharpies."
http://www.egroups.com/files/bolger/Power+Sharpies/cruiser2.gif
The complete text of the SBJ article is between
http://www.egroups.com/files/bolger/Power+Sharpies/cruiser_text_1.gif
&
http://www.egroups.com/files/bolger/Power+Sharpies/cruiser_text_2.gif
So far as I know, that's all there is on that particular
boat. I think by using the cartoon and construction details
from similar PB&F boats which are freely available, you
could probably cobble one together yourself and come to
little grief. The sides are straight cuts of ply 2' wide.
You just need to get the angles at the ends right, which
ought to be done with models before cutting much wood.
I always liked that idea a lot. But the "Square Boats" are
worth thinking about. Have you seen the wonderful Square
Boat site of Tim Fatchen's?
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/sbhome.htm#menu
BTW The "FIles" are always accessible for browsing from the
Navigation Bar on the left of your screen.
Mark
lway wrote:
>
> Hi, all. I'm quite new to the Bolger group and not certain of how to
> find my way around as yet.
>
> For example, in finding out what to click to do a subject search in
> archived postings, I somehow stumbled upon three GIF files,
> apparently scanned from Small Boat Journal, concerning Phil Bolger's
> cartoon (#9) for a flat-bottomed 'Outboard Cruiser'. This is a
> powered sharpie reminiscent of Idaho and Sneakeasy, although shorter.
> Unlike the other two, this 'Outboard Cruiser' has slightly flared
> sides. The bottom is apparently 4 feet wide and my scale indicates
> that the length is in the nature of 23-1/2 feet.
>
> I live beside a (drying) tidal slough just outside Victoria, British
> Columbia. I feel a powered sharpie could be tied up at my landing and
> would be just the ticket for cruising the (speed limited) Gorge
> Waterway into town. I have been considering Sneakeasy and Idaho as my
> first from-scratch project but this 'Outboard Cruiser' could be built
> in my 27-foot-long, single-car garage.
>
> I have searched the group archives without success (and I haven't
> even been able to find my way back to those GIF files), so can anyone
> tell me about this design? Has it beeb built by anyone? More
> elementarily, has PCB produced working drawings for this cartoon?
>
> Thanks. As the rankest of amateurs, it's sure great to know there are
> so many knowledgeable people out there.
>
> John Ewing
>
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