Re: basic electrical system (?)

>
> All lead/acid batteries give off hydrogen gas when charging. If

> battery box is in a inclosed space (under deck or living it needs

> be in a sealed battery box that has a in and out vent to the

> in a safe place(away from spark). With hydrogen it takes little to
> make a big boom.
>
> Jon
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Kristine Bennett <femmpaws@> wrote:
> >
> > Seth I have no idea is I did answer this question or
> > not but I have seen house batteries in just batterie
> > boxes under a bunk and no venting. But I do think it's
> > a good idea to vent the area where they are to the
> > outside.
> >
> > Also how much gas is given off by the batteries will
> > deppend on how high a charge voltage is being used. I
> > know we use to get the reglators at 13.2 volts for max
> > voltage.
> >
> > Blessings Krissie
> > >
> > >
> > > Kristine, thanks for all the info. One question:
> > > with the T-105s or the L-16s I
> > > have to worry about fumes----is this correct? I will
> > > be installing the batteries in
> > > the "living areas" of the boat (may be sleeping over
> > > the top of them in fact).
> > > What have you done to address the ventilation issue?
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Seth
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Kristine Bennett <femmpaws@...> wrote:
>
> Seth I have no idea is I did answer this question or
> not but I have seen house batteries in just batterie
> boxes under a bunk and no venting. But I do think it's
> a good idea to vent the area where they are to the
> outside.
>
> Also how much gas is given off by the batteries will
> deppend on how high a charge voltage is being used. I
> know we use to get the reglators at 13.2 volts for max
> voltage.
>
> Blessings Krissie
> >
> >
> > Kristine, thanks for all the info. One question:
> > with the T-105s or the L-16s I
> > have to worry about fumes----is this correct? I will
> > be installing the batteries in
> > the "living areas" of the boat (may be sleeping over
> > the top of them in fact).
> > What have you done to address the ventilation issue?
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Seth
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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> Kristine, thanks for all the info. One question:
> with the T-105s or the L-16s I
> have to worry about fumes----is this correct? I will
> be installing the batteries in
> the "living areas" of the boat (may be sleeping over
> the top of them in fact).
> What have you done to address the ventilation issue?
> Thanks,
>
> Seth
>
>

>
> Kristine, thanks for all the info. One question: with the T-105s or

> have to worry about fumes----is this correct? I will be installing

> the "living areas" of the boat (may be sleeping over the top of

> What have you done to address the ventilation issue? Thanks,
>
> Seth
>

>
> Seth deppending on how much room you have look at the
> standard T-105 golfcart bats. Or look at the L-16s.

> OK, thanks to Kristine and Harry for the replies. Sorry I was offline for a bit. To
> respond:
>
> Yes, the stove is a Dickinson Bristol--what a marvel and the fan is a "draft fan"
> used only at start up and shut down time. Since I live aboard, the idea is to
> never have a start up or a shut down (until April......). So that is a low draw I
> guess. No (to answer Harry), I haven't done an electrical budget but Kristine
> has illuminated what that looks like and I can adjust her figures based on
> some of what I know. I burn Aladdin lamps for the most part but plan on a few
> LED additions.
>
> As for Peter...... no harm, no foul as they say--- I keep meaning to set up a
> small webpage to document the "surgery" performed on the ex-Tennessee
> but.... well, just haven't gotten around to it (yet).
>
> Thanks all. Will start totting up those amp hour estimates (and pricing golf cart
> batteries)
>
> Seth
>
>
>

> OK, thanks to Kristine and Harry for the replies.
> Sorry I was offline for a bit. To
> respond:
>
> Yes, the stove is a Dickinson Bristol--what a marvel
> and the fan is a "draft fan"
> used only at start up and shut down time. Since I
> live aboard, the idea is to
> never have a start up or a shut down (until
> April......). So that is a low draw I
> guess. No (to answer Harry), I haven't done an
> electrical budget but Kristine
> has illuminated what that looks like and I can
> adjust her figures based on
> some of what I know. I burn Aladdin lamps for the
> most part but plan on a few
> LED additions.
>
> As for Peter...... no harm, no foul as they say--- I
> keep meaning to set up a
> small webpage to document the "surgery" performed on
> the ex-Tennessee
> but.... well, just haven't gotten around to it
> (yet).
>
> Thanks all. Will start totting up those amp hour
> estimates (and pricing golf cart
> batteries)
>
> Seth
>
>
>

> All the boats I was on had diesel fired stoves but
> they didn't have a draft fan. A couple of diesel
> heaters did have the draft fan and a fan to move the
> heat around the area.
>
> No all heaters and stoves are made the same.
>
> Krissie
>
> --- Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
>
>
>> The fan is a draft fan to get the burner going so it
>> burns above the
>> burner. Dickinson diesel stove, you should be
>> familiar from AK fishing
>> days, they are on every commercial boat in AK.
>>
>> HJ
>>
>> Kristine Bennett wrote:
>>
>>> Are you sure, some of the heater use a fan most of
>>>
>> the
>>
>>> time to move the heat around the boat. But you
>>>
>> have to
>>
>>> work out the AH draw for yourself I'm just
>>>
>> guessing at
>>
>>> useage and amp draw.
>>>
>>> Krissie
>>>
>>> --- Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> The stove fan is only used for starting,
>>>> approximately 1/2 hr.
>>>>
>>>> HJ
>>>>
>>>>
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> The fan is a draft fan to get the burner going so it
> burns above the
> burner. Dickinson diesel stove, you should be
> familiar from AK fishing
> days, they are on every commercial boat in AK.
>
> HJ
>
> Kristine Bennett wrote:
> > Are you sure, some of the heater use a fan most of
> the
> > time to move the heat around the boat. But you
> have to
> > work out the AH draw for yourself I'm just
> guessing at
> > useage and amp draw.
> >
> > Krissie
> >
> > --- Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> The stove fan is only used for starting,
> >> approximately 1/2 hr.
> >>
> >> HJ
> >>
> >>
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> Are you sure, some of the heater use a fan most of the
> time to move the heat around the boat. But you have to
> work out the AH draw for yourself I'm just guessing at
> useage and amp draw.
>
> Krissie
>
> --- Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
>
>
>> The stove fan is only used for starting,
>> approximately 1/2 hr.
>>
>> HJ
>>
>>
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> The stove fan is only used for starting,
> approximately 1/2 hr.
>
> HJ
>

> Seth I'm not sure where you live but you need to think
> about what kind of Amp load you are going to put on
> the Battery bank and for how long. I'm just going to
> work it out as if you were going to be calling it home
> for a month or so.
>
> OK your fan is going to be the larger draw I would
> guess 2 to 5 amps = 2 to 5 Amphours or AH.
>
> Your waterpump is goin go use anywhere from 3 to 10
> Amp or more, that's all deppens on how big of pump you
> use and what kind of PSI it is set for. The open flow
> pumps tend to draw the least. So you have to push a
> button to get your water. So your AH will deppend on
> the pump and the useage.
>
> Your bulgepump is one that can draw a little or a lot.
> just like your waterpump.
>
> Your lighting, you have your Nav lights and they can
> be found in LED as well. Your house lighting can be
> LED for most lighting. BUT you are going to want some
> bright lighting for reading and and in the cooking
> area as well. I hate cooking in the dark as do most
> people.
>
> OK let's add things up
>
> Stove Fan 3 amps for 24 hours = 72 AH
>
> nav lights 2 amps for 3 hours = 6 AH
>
> Cab lights 2 amp for 5 hours = 10 AH
>
> Water pump 6 amps for 1/2 hours = 3 AH
>
> VHF/CB radio .3 amps for 12 hours = 4 AH
>
> So we add it all up and we have a draw of 95 AH per
> day. Most golfcart bats are 6 volts at 215 AH there
> are some that are a bit higher but are they worth the
> $$ to get the extra AH? Only you can answer that.
>
> I would look at useing 2 banks of 2 bats that give you
> 430 AH. Now to get the longest life out of the bats
> you only want to take them down to 50% charge so that
> makes it a 215 AH bank. You can discharge them deeper
> but their life cycle drops fast
>
> OK you can add solar panels to the roof top. When it
> come's to solar panels put on what you can aford. But
> I would look at 300 to 500 watts of panels as a min.
> At 300 watts gives you about a 25 AH charge rate in
> full sun. 300 watts divided by 12 volts give you 25
> amps. But that is in full sun and if you are in a
> shaded spot if may only be 2 or 3 amp. Deppending on
> how you install them on the boat you can always add to
> the system at a later date.
>
> When you wire the system use large wire #6 or #8.
> Number 4 would be better! You are going to try to keep
> you voltage drop as low as you can.
>
> I hope I have not made the water to muddy
>
> Blessings Krissie
>
> --- macinkos <smacinko@...> wrote:
>
>
>> Bolgeristas,
>>
>> I have an ex-Tennessee (major modifications by me so
>> PB&F are clearly
>> released from the "design") and find myself
>> contemplating a basic electrical
>> system with an "off the grid" mandate. Can anyone
>> provide basic guidance as
>> to a sensible pairing of batteries and solar
>> charger(s) for minimal 12 volt use
>> (some cabin LED reading lights) and occasional use
>> of a water pump and fan
>> for the Dickinson oil stove. I recall seeing a post
>> by Kristine regarding golf cart
>> batteries and solar charging but couldn't find it
>> with the search tool. Thanks in
>> advance.
>>
>> Seth
>>
>>
>>
>
>

> Bolgeristas,
>
> I have an ex-Tennessee (major modifications by me so PB&F are clearly
> released from the "design") and find myself contemplating a basic electrical
> system with an "off the grid" mandate. Can anyone provide basic guidance as
> to a sensible pairing of batteries and solar charger(s) for minimal 12 volt use
> (some cabin LED reading lights) and occasional use of a water pump and fan
> for the Dickinson oil stove. I recall seeing a post by Kristine regarding golf cart
> batteries and solar charging but couldn't find it with the search tool. Thanks in
> advance.
>
> Seth
>
>
>
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "macinkos" <smacinko@...> wrote:

Bolgerados,

Y'all gotta get Seth to post some pictures of his modified
Tennessee.He is perhaps too humble to do so but I can tell you,he has
done a fine job and, given the "old" workboat styling of the original
Tennessee,Seths' appears imbued with a fresh and classical allure.....

Sincerely,

Peter Lenihan, hoping Seth takes no offence at my mild effort to get
him to post pictures by putting him on the spot like this(his boat
really is sweet!) but I suppose the worst case scenario will be me
owing him yet another beer,whenever we finally get to meet in our
respective floating palaces :-D

> Bolgeristas,
>
> I have an ex-Tennessee (major modifications by me so
> PB&F are clearly
> released from the "design") and find myself
> contemplating a basic electrical
> system with an "off the grid" mandate. Can anyone
> provide basic guidance as
> to a sensible pairing of batteries and solar
> charger(s) for minimal 12 volt use
> (some cabin LED reading lights) and occasional use
> of a water pump and fan
> for the Dickinson oil stove. I recall seeing a post
> by Kristine regarding golf cart
> batteries and solar charging but couldn't find it
> with the search tool. Thanks in
> advance.
>
> Seth
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: macinkos
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 8:00 PM
Subject: [bolger] basic electrical system (?)


Bolgeristas,

I have an ex-Tennessee (major modifications by me so PB&F are clearly released from the "design") and find myself contemplating a basic electrical system with an "off the grid" mandate. Can anyone provide basic guidance as to a sensible pairing of batteries and solar charger(s) for minimal 12 volt use (some cabin LED reading lights) and occasional use of a water pump and fan for the Dickinson oil stove. I recall seeing a post by Kristine regarding golf cart
batteries and solar charging but couldn't find it with the search tool. Thanks in advance.

Seth_.___

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