Re: Wider Nymph
Have you guys ever heard of a 'Fatty Knees' Dinghy ? Put out by Eddy &
Duff several years ago . . a 'Big Buck$' builder.
The rocker on Nymph, and consequently Rubens Nymph, is a big indicator
of it's purposed motive source. It is also an almost ideal example of
the 'Form Follows Function' concept. It uses simple {oars}power, is a
STABLE hullform, and capable of carrying dense loading. Anything else
will have the poor performance of a 'compromise'.
If there is a strong desire to 'sail' and you like the 'pram' hullform,
there are better {HERESY !!}designs available. One I have been 'lusting
over' is 'Caravelle' by Jacques Mertins {spl?}.
About 8 years ago I built a Rubens Nymph for a customer who wanted a
VERY stable dinghy. His wife had a medical problem with her walking &
balance. The Rubens did EXACTLY what it was supposed to do . . . and
worked perfectly.
Regards,
Ron Magen
Backyard Boatshop
5. Re: Wider Nymph
Posted by: "oarmandt"oarman89@...oarmandt
Date: Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:06 pm ((PST))
I have the 4'-6" wide Rubens version and am quite happy with it. It
stands up to the 59 square foot sail quite well. I appreciate the
stability when moving around in the boat.
SNIP
I suspect that the difference between 4'-2" and 4'-6" is not enough to
relieve your problems with the appearance. The fat boat does look
odd, but it works. I say spring for the extra sheet of plywood.
Doug
Duff several years ago . . a 'Big Buck$' builder.
The rocker on Nymph, and consequently Rubens Nymph, is a big indicator
of it's purposed motive source. It is also an almost ideal example of
the 'Form Follows Function' concept. It uses simple {oars}power, is a
STABLE hullform, and capable of carrying dense loading. Anything else
will have the poor performance of a 'compromise'.
If there is a strong desire to 'sail' and you like the 'pram' hullform,
there are better {HERESY !!}designs available. One I have been 'lusting
over' is 'Caravelle' by Jacques Mertins {spl?}.
About 8 years ago I built a Rubens Nymph for a customer who wanted a
VERY stable dinghy. His wife had a medical problem with her walking &
balance. The Rubens did EXACTLY what it was supposed to do . . . and
worked perfectly.
Regards,
Ron Magen
Backyard Boatshop
5. Re: Wider Nymph
Posted by: "oarmandt"oarman89@...oarmandt
Date: Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:06 pm ((PST))
I have the 4'-6" wide Rubens version and am quite happy with it. It
stands up to the 59 square foot sail quite well. I appreciate the
stability when moving around in the boat.
SNIP
I suspect that the difference between 4'-2" and 4'-6" is not enough to
relieve your problems with the appearance. The fat boat does look
odd, but it works. I say spring for the extra sheet of plywood.
Doug
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, James Hagan <hagan@...> wrote:
>
> >Has anyone split the diference between the Rubens and standard? I
have build several
> >standard Nymphs and found them pretty good.
SNIP
The Rubens has always looked wrong to me and was thinking a bit
narrower would
look nicer.
I have the 4'-6" wide Rubens version and am quite happy with it. It
stands up to the 59 square foot sail quite well. I appreciate the
stability when moving around in the boat. One of its reasons for
being, is as a work platform for trimming the vegetation on my
shoreline.
I suspect that the difference between 4'-2" and 4'-6" is not enough to
relieve your problems with the appearance. The fat boat does look
odd, but it works. I say spring for the extra sheet of plywood.
Doug
stands up to the 59 square foot sail quite well. I appreciate the
stability when moving around in the boat. One of its reasons for
being, is as a work platform for trimming the vegetation on my
shoreline.
I suspect that the difference between 4'-2" and 4'-6" is not enough to
relieve your problems with the appearance. The fat boat does look
odd, but it works. I say spring for the extra sheet of plywood.
Doug
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, James Hagan <hagan@...> wrote:
>
> >Has anyone split the diference between the Rubens and standard? I
have build several
> >standard Nymphs and found them pretty good. I studied the plans
carefully and it seems if
> >you cut the bottom in two pieces stradling the center-line, you
could get a 4'2" version out
> >of 2 sheets of ply. Except maybe one frame, Any thoughs
appreciated. The Rubens has
> >always looked wrong to me and was thinking a bit narrower would
look nicer.
>
> I have a four foot version where I simply added six inches to the
bottom and ends to give me the capacity to carry three in a pinch. I
thought the added stabilty might allow it to be sailed by one with the
59 square foot sprit sail. It's much more exciting than I had hoped
for, even with two aboard.
>
> After trials, I discarded the central slab seat and row seated on a
folding step stool or use the leeboard as a seat; works much better
for me and there doesn't seem to be a loss of rigidity. All in all, I
very pleased with it as row boat but don't see myself ever sailing it
again.
>
> Jim Hagan
>
Here is an interpretation of the Nymph shape which I put together in Freeship
http://hallman.org/bolger/Nymph/Nymph.fbm
I found this study to be interesting, because it seems most often when
I model Bolger boats I find that he has an uncanny tendency to design
the bend of the strakes to be 'pure', that is with a parabolic bend
naturally found in boards. In the case of Nymph I see that the bend
of the strakes is more towards the circular, flattened in the middle
(or conversely put, fattened at the quarters).
http://hallman.org/bolger/Nymph/Nymph.fbm
I found this study to be interesting, because it seems most often when
I model Bolger boats I find that he has an uncanny tendency to design
the bend of the strakes to be 'pure', that is with a parabolic bend
naturally found in boards. In the case of Nymph I see that the bend
of the strakes is more towards the circular, flattened in the middle
(or conversely put, fattened at the quarters).
>Has anyone split the diference between the Rubens and standard? I have build severalI have a four foot version where I simply added six inches to the bottom and ends to give me the capacity to carry three in a pinch. I thought the added stabilty might allow it to be sailed by one with the 59 square foot sprit sail. It's much more exciting than I had hoped for, even with two aboard.
>standard Nymphs and found them pretty good. I studied the plans carefully and it seems if
>you cut the bottom in two pieces stradling the center-line, you could get a 4'2" version out
>of 2 sheets of ply. Except maybe one frame, Any thoughs appreciated. The Rubens has
>always looked wrong to me and was thinking a bit narrower would look nicer.
After trials, I discarded the central slab seat and row seated on a folding step stool or use the leeboard as a seat; works much better for me and there doesn't seem to be a loss of rigidity. All in all, I very pleased with it as row boat but don't see myself ever sailing it again.
Jim Hagan
Has anyone split the diference between the Rubens and standard? I have build several
standard Nymphs and found them pretty good. I studied the plans carefully and it seems if
you cut the bottom in two pieces stradling the center-line, you could get a 4'2" version out
of 2 sheets of ply. Except maybe one frame, Any thoughs appreciated. The Rubens has
always looked wrong to me and was thinking a bit narrower would look nicer.
standard Nymphs and found them pretty good. I studied the plans carefully and it seems if
you cut the bottom in two pieces stradling the center-line, you could get a 4'2" version out
of 2 sheets of ply. Except maybe one frame, Any thoughs appreciated. The Rubens has
always looked wrong to me and was thinking a bit narrower would look nicer.