Re: Searching for a different cruiser
Jack,
I'm coming to this thread late, but wanted to suggest you have a look
through the files at the Yahoo Group BolgerCartoons. There are a few
designs there that might meet your need. There's a couple of photos of
a half-cabin lobsterboat-style version of Hawkeye too.
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "barbaraspoering" <barbaraspoering@...>
wrote:
build or at least not overly expensive. We thought we
wanted "Champlain" but when you really get into the details it would
come out on the expensive side. The size is right, but.......
I'm coming to this thread late, but wanted to suggest you have a look
through the files at the Yahoo Group BolgerCartoons. There are a few
designs there that might meet your need. There's a couple of photos of
a half-cabin lobsterboat-style version of Hawkeye too.
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "barbaraspoering" <barbaraspoering@...>
wrote:
>looking for a Bolger boat to build and here's the criterior - A simple
>
> HI all -
> I wonder if someone out in our group can help. We're
build or at least not overly expensive. We thought we
wanted "Champlain" but when you really get into the details it would
come out on the expensive side. The size is right, but.......
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
A tent is a good thought. I remember you desire for an enclosed
commode. Bolger did a concept (not completed to plans) called
Bonefish. This wheelhouse/commode might also work on Hawkeye's open
deck. Neat thing is one could likely build up the Hawkeye to the
point of the open deck and bulwarks, then decide how far to take the
cabin structure.
>wide
> You might also consider the flexibility option of keeping Hawkeye
> open and using a tent on deck.http://hallman.org/bolger/bonefish.gif
>
A tent is a good thought. I remember you desire for an enclosed
commode. Bolger did a concept (not completed to plans) called
Bonefish. This wheelhouse/commode might also work on Hawkeye's open
deck. Neat thing is one could likely build up the Hawkeye to the
point of the open deck and bulwarks, then decide how far to take the
cabin structure.
> Hawkeye looks like a fine choice for your requirements.You might also consider the flexibility option of keeping Hawkeye wide
>... & keep the cabin light
> you will have an amazingly capable cruiser.
open and using a tent on deck.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "barbaraspoering"
<barbaraspoering@...> wrote:
boating area will mostly be on the NorthCarolina and Tennessee
waterways and the Hawkeye is trailable.
Hawkeye looks like a fine choice for your requirements.
Interestingly, the 18' basic Hawkeye builds up quite a bit lighter
than the 14' Microtrawler. Although the shape is very similar, the
construction is quite different. I think if you are careful to trust
Bolger's scantling spec's for the hull, and avoid yellow pine
plywood, possibly paying the $$s for Okume, & keep the cabin light
you will have an amazingly capable cruiser.
I know I'd want the cabin roof as a sunning deck so the temptation to
over build could be severe.
Best wishes for a great project. We love pictures!
Don Schultz
<barbaraspoering@...> wrote:
>settled on Bolger's 18' "Hawkeye" trawler design. ............ Our
> Hi Bruce -- Thank you for your input - I think we've pretty much
boating area will mostly be on the NorthCarolina and Tennessee
waterways and the Hawkeye is trailable.
>Thanks for your suggestions - Aloha - Jack Spoering
>
>Barb,
Hawkeye looks like a fine choice for your requirements.
Interestingly, the 18' basic Hawkeye builds up quite a bit lighter
than the 14' Microtrawler. Although the shape is very similar, the
construction is quite different. I think if you are careful to trust
Bolger's scantling spec's for the hull, and avoid yellow pine
plywood, possibly paying the $$s for Okume, & keep the cabin light
you will have an amazingly capable cruiser.
I know I'd want the cabin roof as a sunning deck so the temptation to
over build could be severe.
Best wishes for a great project. We love pictures!
Don Schultz
On 11/2/02, barbaraspoering <barbaraspoering@...> wrote:
regardless, I say don't be discouraged and encourage you to go for it.
The Bolger boat I can think of that meets your tough wish list would
be Watervan, but Watervan doesn't have a 'boaty' look.
(You don't mention needing standing headroom, so...)
Believe it or not, Fiddler II meets much of your wish list, except
'dinette' and 'boaty'.
I would be cautious of such a large project based on a 'modified'
design, as ugly surprises rear up too often with modified designs.
It sounds like you might be at risk of biting off more than you can
chew, and you may consider a modest project which has the virtue that
it is actually achievable.
I estimate that four Fiddler IIs could be built with the time/cost
needed to build one Champlain or Watervan.
>... here's the criterion - A simple build or at least not overly expensive.No boat with those features will be a simple build or inexpensive, but
> ...Need an enclosed head, galley space, dinette and a double berth.
regardless, I say don't be discouraged and encourage you to go for it.
The Bolger boat I can think of that meets your tough wish list would
be Watervan, but Watervan doesn't have a 'boaty' look.
(You don't mention needing standing headroom, so...)
Believe it or not, Fiddler II meets much of your wish list, except
'dinette' and 'boaty'.
I would be cautious of such a large project based on a 'modified'
design, as ugly surprises rear up too often with modified designs.
It sounds like you might be at risk of biting off more than you can
chew, and you may consider a modest project which has the virtue that
it is actually achievable.
I estimate that four Fiddler IIs could be built with the time/cost
needed to build one Champlain or Watervan.
Hi John, I've not seen the later drawings for Hawkeye that gave the
"Microtrawler" type cabin layout as an option. It was not available
when I built my "Hawkeye". I did my own study using the MT cabin
extended to include inclosed head and a closet. It worked out quite
nicely but I opted for a different arrangement. I didn't like the lack
of open deck space and didn't think at the time of eliminating the
motor well and just hanging the engine off the transom as done on MT.
My Hawkeye cost around $5000 to build including everything but engine
and trailer. The 25hp Honda was 5500 installed, a trailer with brakes
would be about 2300 without brakes maybe 1500. My guess is that of the
$5000 spent on the construction about 250 was for stuff I didn't use
on the boat. If I were building it today I would do as I stated above.
I would also add the fillets forward to combat the pounding. 25hp is
inadequate. I would debate whether to go to a 40hp and speed or a 9hp
high thrust and just accept hull speed. If you are interested in a
boat like "Redwing" contact me off line.
Bob Chamberland
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "spoeringjohn" <barbaraspoering@...>
wrote: clip an extended Hawkeye is just what we're
"Microtrawler" type cabin layout as an option. It was not available
when I built my "Hawkeye". I did my own study using the MT cabin
extended to include inclosed head and a closet. It worked out quite
nicely but I opted for a different arrangement. I didn't like the lack
of open deck space and didn't think at the time of eliminating the
motor well and just hanging the engine off the transom as done on MT.
My Hawkeye cost around $5000 to build including everything but engine
and trailer. The 25hp Honda was 5500 installed, a trailer with brakes
would be about 2300 without brakes maybe 1500. My guess is that of the
$5000 spent on the construction about 250 was for stuff I didn't use
on the boat. If I were building it today I would do as I stated above.
I would also add the fillets forward to combat the pounding. 25hp is
inadequate. I would debate whether to go to a 40hp and speed or a 9hp
high thrust and just accept hull speed. If you are interested in a
boat like "Redwing" contact me off line.
Bob Chamberland
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "spoeringjohn" <barbaraspoering@...>
wrote: clip an extended Hawkeye is just what we're
> looking for.
Hi Don - Thanks for your reply, an extended Hawkeye is just what we're
looking for. Now, can you tell me where I can see a picture or
drawing of this version ? Aloha - Jack Spoering We plan to
do our cruising in the lake system of Tennessee.
looking for. Now, can you tell me where I can see a picture or
drawing of this version ? Aloha - Jack Spoering We plan to
do our cruising in the lake system of Tennessee.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "donschultz8275" <donschultz@...> wrote:
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "barbaraspoering"
> barbaraspoering@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > HI all -
> > I wonder if someone out in our group can help. We're
> >looking for a Bolger boat to build and here's the criterior - A
> >simple build or at least not overly expensive.
> >
>
> The Super Brick is a sail boat and really not suitable for power
> cruising.
>
> Hawkeye plans include an extended cabin ala MicroTrawler, but a
> better integrated power cruiser design is Bolger's Retriever.
>
> IMO Hawkeye might build up a little cheaper, would be lighter to
> trailer, and get around with less power than Retriever.
>
> I don't think you said where you would be operating, but I think
> Bolger designs are quite seaworthy. If you are going to be in
> protected waters, IE Midwestern lakes, smaller rivers, etc., you may
> wish to look at Jim Michalak's AF-4G. Big boat at 22', and easy to
> add/change to get what you want. Build it per plans, then add more
> cabin, enclosed head, etc.
>
You might take a look at Chesapeake Marine Design, CMDBoats.com I think.
Clyde
barbaraspoering wrote:
Clyde
barbaraspoering wrote:
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> HI all -
> I wonder if someone out in our group can help. We're looking for a
> Bolger boat to build and here's the criterior - A simple build or at
> least not overly expensive. We thought we wanted "Champlain" but when
> you really get into the details it would come out on the expensive
> side. The size is right, but.......
> The 20' " Super Brick" has a perfect interior but just isn't 'boaty"
> enough for the female side of the team. "Where's the pointy end ?"
> I have all of PCB's books but just don't see any of his "Box" boats
> that would fit -- Need an enclosed head, galley space, dinette and a
> double berth. Our boating (now under power) will be local, on the
> Intracoastal waterway with a possibe move up to the North Carolina or
> Tennessee lakes so we don't need blue water capabilities.
> I'm wondering if perhaps a slightly lenthened (if necessary) "Hawkeye"
> would do if one could lengthen the after section of the cabin somewhat
> similiar to "Microtrawler"
> We're sure there are some of you out there that have seen other Bolger
> designs, unpublished in his books, that just might fit the bill. Any
> suggustions would be appreciated.
>
> Aloha - Jack Spoering - Ft Lauderdale, Fl
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "barbaraspoering"
<barbaraspoering@...> wrote:
cruising.
Hawkeye plans include an extended cabin ala MicroTrawler, but a
better integrated power cruiser design is Bolger's Retriever.
IMO Hawkeye might build up a little cheaper, would be lighter to
trailer, and get around with less power than Retriever.
I don't think you said where you would be operating, but I think
Bolger designs are quite seaworthy. If you are going to be in
protected waters, IE Midwestern lakes, smaller rivers, etc., you may
wish to look at Jim Michalak's AF-4G. Big boat at 22', and easy to
add/change to get what you want. Build it per plans, then add more
cabin, enclosed head, etc.
<barbaraspoering@...> wrote:
>The Super Brick is a sail boat and really not suitable for power
>
> HI all -
> I wonder if someone out in our group can help. We're
>looking for a Bolger boat to build and here's the criterior - A
>simple build or at least not overly expensive.
>
cruising.
Hawkeye plans include an extended cabin ala MicroTrawler, but a
better integrated power cruiser design is Bolger's Retriever.
IMO Hawkeye might build up a little cheaper, would be lighter to
trailer, and get around with less power than Retriever.
I don't think you said where you would be operating, but I think
Bolger designs are quite seaworthy. If you are going to be in
protected waters, IE Midwestern lakes, smaller rivers, etc., you may
wish to look at Jim Michalak's AF-4G. Big boat at 22', and easy to
add/change to get what you want. Build it per plans, then add more
cabin, enclosed head, etc.
With it's flat deck, Hawkeye acomodates just about any
superstructure, from tent to full length hard shell. Superbrick, with
all the built-ins may not to be all that cheap in time or money
anyway. The box boat sharpies are the most for the least if economy
is your concern, and can look rather well. Anyway, they do have
pointed bows.
You could build an Idaho for half the cost of Champlain.
( Not recommended to buy here but have a look. )
http://www.common-sense-boats.com/idaho.htm
IMHO,
Mark
superstructure, from tent to full length hard shell. Superbrick, with
all the built-ins may not to be all that cheap in time or money
anyway. The box boat sharpies are the most for the least if economy
is your concern, and can look rather well. Anyway, they do have
pointed bows.
You could build an Idaho for half the cost of Champlain.
( Not recommended to buy here but have a look. )
http://www.common-sense-boats.com/idaho.htm
IMHO,
Mark
On Nov 2, 2002, at 3:49 PM, barbaraspoering wrote:
>
> HI all -
> I wonder if someone out in our group can help. We're
> looking for a Bolger boat to build and here's the criterior - A
> simple build or at least not overly expensive. We thought we
> wanted "Champlain" but when you really get into the details it
> would come out on the expensive side. The size is right, but.......
> The 20' " Super Brick" has a perfect interior but just
> isn't 'boaty" enough for the female side of the team. "Where's the
> pointy end ?"
> I have all of PCB's books but just don't see any of his
> "Box" boats that would fit -- Need an enclosed head, galley space,
> dinette and a double berth. Our boating (now under power) will be
> local, on the Intracoastal waterway with a possibe move up to the
> North Carolina or Tennessee lakes so we don't need blue water
> capabilities.
> I'm wondering if perhaps a slightly lenthened (if
> necessary) "Hawkeye" would do if one could lengthen the after
> section of the cabin somewhat similiar to "Microtrawler"
> We're sure there are some of you out there that have seen
> other Bolger designs, unpublished in his books, that just might
> fit the bill. Any suggustions would be appreciated.
>
>
Jack, how about Topaz? Easy build, "boaty",
everything on your wishlist except dinette and double
berth, which are easy to add-I put both in mine. Sam
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everything on your wishlist except dinette and double
berth, which are easy to add-I put both in mine. Sam
--- barbaraspoering <barbaraspoering@...>
wrote:
>____________________________________________________________________________________
> HI all -
> I wonder if someone out in our group can
> help. We're looking for a Bolger boat to build and
> here's the criterior - A simple build or at least
> not overly expensive. We thought we wanted
> "Champlain" but when you really get into the details
> it would come out on the expensive side. The size
> is right, but.......
> The 20' " Super Brick" has a perfect
> interior but just isn't 'boaty" enough for the
> female side of the team. "Where's the pointy end ?"
> I have all of PCB's books but just don't
> see any of his "Box" boats that would fit -- Need an
> enclosed head, galley space, dinette and a double
> berth. Our boating (now under power) will be
> local, on the Intracoastal waterway with a possibe
> move up to the North Carolina or Tennessee lakes so
> we don't need blue water capabilities.
> I'm wondering if perhaps a slightly
> lenthened (if necessary) "Hawkeye" would do if one
> could lengthen the after section of the cabin
> somewhat similiar to "Microtrawler"
> We're sure there are some of you out there
> that have seen other Bolger designs, unpublished in
> his books, that just might fit the bill. Any
> suggustions would be appreciated.
>
>
> Aloha - Jack
> Spoering - Ft Lauderdale, Fl
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>
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Hi Bruce -- Thank you for your input - I think we've pretty much settled on Bolger's 18' "Hawkeye" trawler design. I've seen one that cost $5000.00 to build and it wasn't a difficult build. In "Boats With an Open Mind" PCB shows it with a very small cabin set up mostly as a workboat but he also has an enlarged cabin version similiar to his micro Trawler which we are going to go for. Our boating area will mostly be on the NorthCarolina and Tennessee waterways and the Hawkeye is trailable.
Thanks for your suggestions - Aloha - Jack Spoering
Ft Lauderdale, Fl
Thanks for your suggestions - Aloha - Jack Spoering
Ft Lauderdale, Fl
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Hallman
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Searching for a different cruiser
On 11/2/02, barbaraspoering <barbaraspoering@...> wrote:
>... here's the criterion - A simple build or at least not overly expensive.
> ...Need an enclosed head, galley space, dinette and a double berth.
No boat with those features will be a simple build or inexpensive, but
regardless, I say don't be discouraged and encourage you to go for it.
The Bolger boat I can think of that meets your tough wish list would
be Watervan, but Watervan doesn't have a 'boaty' look.
(You don't mention needing standing headroom, so...)
Believe it or not, Fiddler II meets much of your wish list, except
'dinette' and 'boaty'.
I would be cautious of such a large project based on a 'modified'
design, as ugly surprises rear up too often with modified designs.
It sounds like you might be at risk of biting off more than you can
chew, and you may consider a modest project which has the virtue that
it is actually achievable.
I estimate that four Fiddler IIs could be built with the time/cost
needed to build one Champlain or Watervan.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Hi Bob - Thanks for all your help.... I think Hawkeye with the enlarged cabin would still surfice. Speed is not much of a concern to us as our cruising will be on the lakes of North Carolina and Tennessee. I'm very interested in the lakes area in Tennessee called theTentombigbee (I think it's spelled something like that) Waterway, looks pretty large.
Have you ever looked at the "Skiff America" ? You might want to check it out just type in the name on Yahoo and the site will come up. Aloha - Jack Spoering
Have you ever looked at the "Skiff America" ? You might want to check it out just type in the name on Yahoo and the site will come up. Aloha - Jack Spoering
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Chamberland
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:26 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Searching for a different cruiser
Hi John, I've not seen the later drawings for Hawkeye that gave the
"Microtrawler" type cabin layout as an option. It was not available
when I built my "Hawkeye". I did my own study using the MT cabin
extended to include inclosed head and a closet. It worked out quite
nicely but I opted for a different arrangement. I didn't like the lack
of open deck space and didn't think at the time of eliminating the
motor well and just hanging the engine off the transom as done on MT.
My Hawkeye cost around $5000 to build including everything but engine
and trailer. The 25hp Honda was 5500 installed, a trailer with brakes
would be about 2300 without brakes maybe 1500. My guess is that of the
$5000 spent on the construction about 250 was for stuff I didn't use
on the boat. If I were building it today I would do as I stated above.
I would also add the fillets forward to combat the pounding. 25hp is
inadequate. I would debate whether to go to a 40hp and speed or a 9hp
high thrust and just accept hull speed. If you are interested in a
boat like "Redwing" contact me off line.
Bob Chamberland
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "spoeringjohn" <barbaraspoering@...>
wrote: clip an extended Hawkeye is just what we're
> looking for.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Hi Bob - Thanks for all your help.... I think Hawkeye with the enlarged cabin would still surfice. Speed is not much of a concern to us as our cruising will be on the lakes of North Carolina and Tennessee. I'm very interested in the lakes area in Tennessee called theTentombigbee (I think it's spelled something like that) Waterway, looks pretty large.
Have you ever looked at the "Skiff America" ? You might want to check it out just type in the name on Yahoo and the site will come up.
Aloha - Jack Spoering
Have you ever looked at the "Skiff America" ? You might want to check it out just type in the name on Yahoo and the site will come up.
Aloha - Jack Spoering
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Chamberland
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:26 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Searching for a different cruiser
Hi John, I've not seen the later drawings for Hawkeye that gave the
"Microtrawler" type cabin layout as an option. It was not available
when I built my "Hawkeye". I did my own study using the MT cabin
extended to include inclosed head and a closet. It worked out quite
nicely but I opted for a different arrangement. I didn't like the lack
of open deck space and didn't think at the time of eliminating the
motor well and just hanging the engine off the transom as done on MT.
My Hawkeye cost around $5000 to build including everything but engine
and trailer. The 25hp Honda was 5500 installed, a trailer with brakes
would be about 2300 without brakes maybe 1500. My guess is that of the
$5000 spent on the construction about 250 was for stuff I didn't use
on the boat. If I were building it today I would do as I stated above.
I would also add the fillets forward to combat the pounding. 25hp is
inadequate. I would debate whether to go to a 40hp and speed or a 9hp
high thrust and just accept hull speed. If you are interested in a
boat like "Redwing" contact me off line.
Bob Chamberland
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "spoeringjohn" <barbaraspoering@...>
wrote: clip an extended Hawkeye is just what we're
> looking for.
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HI all -
I wonder if someone out in our group can help. We're looking for a Bolger boat to build and here's the criterior - A simple build or at least not overly expensive. We thought we wanted "Champlain" but when you really get into the details it would come out on the expensive side. The size is right, but.......
The 20' " Super Brick" has a perfect interior but just isn't 'boaty" enough for the female side of the team. "Where's the pointy end ?"
I have all of PCB's books but just don't see any of his "Box" boats that would fit -- Need an enclosed head, galley space, dinette and a double berth. Our boating (now under power) will be local, on the Intracoastal waterway with a possibe move up to the North Carolina or Tennessee lakes so we don't need blue water capabilities.
I'm wondering if perhaps a slightly lenthened (if necessary) "Hawkeye" would do if one could lengthen the after section of the cabin somewhat similiar to "Microtrawler"
We're sure there are some of you out there that have seen other Bolger designs, unpublished in his books, that just might fit the bill. Any suggustions would be appreciated.
Aloha - Jack Spoering - Ft Lauderdale, Fl
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I wonder if someone out in our group can help. We're looking for a Bolger boat to build and here's the criterior - A simple build or at least not overly expensive. We thought we wanted "Champlain" but when you really get into the details it would come out on the expensive side. The size is right, but.......
The 20' " Super Brick" has a perfect interior but just isn't 'boaty" enough for the female side of the team. "Where's the pointy end ?"
I have all of PCB's books but just don't see any of his "Box" boats that would fit -- Need an enclosed head, galley space, dinette and a double berth. Our boating (now under power) will be local, on the Intracoastal waterway with a possibe move up to the North Carolina or Tennessee lakes so we don't need blue water capabilities.
I'm wondering if perhaps a slightly lenthened (if necessary) "Hawkeye" would do if one could lengthen the after section of the cabin somewhat similiar to "Microtrawler"
We're sure there are some of you out there that have seen other Bolger designs, unpublished in his books, that just might fit the bill. Any suggustions would be appreciated.
Aloha - Jack Spoering - Ft Lauderdale, Fl
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