Re: Shoal Draft Towboat
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce C. Dillahunty" <bdillahu@...>
wrote:
the "Biloxi Lugger" part is the superstructure, especially the hard
roof which shades the cabin from direct sun. Adding such a hard top
to a Bolger Retriever could make it a "Biloxi Lugger" style cruiser.
I'll stick by my characterization of the hull of Alligator as a
Seabright Skiff with an Atkin's tunnel stern. As suggested before,
Atkin's River Belle seems to be the longest design offered in the
family of Atkin tunnel sterns currently offered, though there are
references to at least a 45' in one of the essays on the Atkin's
website. I suggest writing the Atkin's people and see if they can
offer a larger design.
The S.A. variation of a tunnel stern looks like it is simpler to
build, except the twin screw part adds much cost and complexity for a
recreational boat.
Don Schultz
wrote:
> The River Belleavailable...
>
>http://www.boat-links.com/Atkinco/Cruisers/RiverBelle.html
>
> Seems similar in hull form, and especially similar to Greg Carlson's
> Alligator (mentioned earlier) which I really wish had plans
>I had a brief exchange w' Gregg Carlson re Alligator. He said
> Anybody know of Biloxi Lugger type plans available?
>
> Bruce
the "Biloxi Lugger" part is the superstructure, especially the hard
roof which shades the cabin from direct sun. Adding such a hard top
to a Bolger Retriever could make it a "Biloxi Lugger" style cruiser.
I'll stick by my characterization of the hull of Alligator as a
Seabright Skiff with an Atkin's tunnel stern. As suggested before,
Atkin's River Belle seems to be the longest design offered in the
family of Atkin tunnel sterns currently offered, though there are
references to at least a 45' in one of the essays on the Atkin's
website. I suggest writing the Atkin's people and see if they can
offer a larger design.
The S.A. variation of a tunnel stern looks like it is simpler to
build, except the twin screw part adds much cost and complexity for a
recreational boat.
Don Schultz
I guess you missed the People Magazine spread on them <G>.
HJ
derbyrm wrote:
HJ
derbyrm wrote:
> I did indeed. Thanks,
>
> Roger
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Harry James
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 11:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Shoal Draft Towboat
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> Possibly you missed the fact that they are married??
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> HJ
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> derbyrm wrote:
> > Bruce, you're having a bad day.
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> > The design group which delivers "Bolger" plans is "Phillip C. Bolger and Friends."
> >
> > The most significant friend is Susan Altenberger, initials SA.
> >
> > POSSLQ is a census abbreviation which has been suggested as a terse way of introducing or referring to someone's "significant other." It unravels to Person of Opposite Sex Sharing Living Quarters, and may be inappropriate since I have no knowledge that they share more than office quarters.
> >
> > Roger
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I did indeed. Thanks,
Roger
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----- Original Message -----
From: Harry James
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 11:21 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Shoal Draft Towboat
Possibly you missed the fact that they are married??
HJ
derbyrm wrote:
> Bruce, you're having a bad day.
>
> The design group which delivers "Bolger" plans is "Phillip C. Bolger and Friends."
>
> The most significant friend is Susan Altenberger, initials SA.
>
> POSSLQ is a census abbreviation which has been suggested as a terse way of introducing or referring to someone's "significant other." It unravels to Person of Opposite Sex Sharing Living Quarters, and may be inappropriate since I have no knowledge that they share more than office quarters.
>
> Roger
>derbyrm@...
>http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm
>
>
>
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Possibly you missed the fact that they are married??
HJ
derbyrm wrote:
HJ
derbyrm wrote:
> Bruce, you're having a bad day.
>
> The design group which delivers "Bolger" plans is "Phillip C. Bolger and Friends."
>
> The most significant friend is Susan Altenberger, initials SA.
>
> POSSLQ is a census abbreviation which has been suggested as a terse way of introducing or referring to someone's "significant other." It unravels to Person of Opposite Sex Sharing Living Quarters, and may be inappropriate since I have no knowledge that they share more than office quarters.
>
> Roger
>derbyrm@...
>http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm
>
>
>
The January 1, 1998 MAIB article includes a long paragraph about the
'friends' of PB&F; SA and a herd of cats (literally, seven cats).
SA is credited in that article with dominant influence on The 'Light
Cruiser' Chebacco 20, and also Col. Hassler, Camper, Lily, Jochems and
Amherst Galley. Care to guess which others?
"...though lines of demarcation during the design process are blurred.
... working together for several years now, we've moved further
together than we could have each on our own, increasingly making our
work 'our work'."
'friends' of PB&F; SA and a herd of cats (literally, seven cats).
SA is credited in that article with dominant influence on The 'Light
Cruiser' Chebacco 20, and also Col. Hassler, Camper, Lily, Jochems and
Amherst Galley. Care to guess which others?
"...though lines of demarcation during the design process are blurred.
... working together for several years now, we've moved further
together than we could have each on our own, increasingly making our
work 'our work'."
Bruce, you're having a bad day.
The design group which delivers "Bolger" plans is "Phillip C. Bolger and Friends."
The most significant friend is Susan Altenberger, initials SA.
POSSLQ is a census abbreviation which has been suggested as a terse way of introducing or referring to someone's "significant other." It unravels to Person of Opposite Sex Sharing Living Quarters, and may be inappropriate since I have no knowledge that they share more than office quarters.
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm
The design group which delivers "Bolger" plans is "Phillip C. Bolger and Friends."
The most significant friend is Susan Altenberger, initials SA.
POSSLQ is a census abbreviation which has been suggested as a terse way of introducing or referring to someone's "significant other." It unravels to Person of Opposite Sex Sharing Living Quarters, and may be inappropriate since I have no knowledge that they share more than office quarters.
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce C. Dillahunty
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Shoal Draft Towboat
derbyrm wrote:
> SA is a POSSLQ.
>
>
Sorry, but that didn't help :-)
Bruce
> Roger
>derbyrm@...
>http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bruce C. Dillahunty
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 8:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Shoal Draft Towboat
>
>
> Bruce Hallman wrote:
> >> Neat boat, Bruce. I'm interested how you know this is
> >> a SA design? Is there a way to look at a PB&F design
> >> and know who the designer is?
> >>
> >
> > In this case, the write-up says so. But, I think, that after a lot of
> > study of PB&F designs, one can discern stylistic differences too.
> >
> > And, of course, often there is a collaborative mix.
> >
> Dumb question #1... what's a "SA" design? Who's that? I'm missing the
> obvious.
>
> Bruce
>
>
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donschultz8275 wrote:
http://www.boat-links.com/Atkinco/Cruisers/RiverBelle.html
Seems similar in hull form, and especially similar to Greg Carlson's
Alligator (mentioned earlier) which I really wish had plans available...
Anybody know of Biloxi Lugger type plans available?
Bruce
--
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> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Kristine Bennett <femmpaws@...> wrote:The River Belle
>
>> Hey Bruce I can also see you putting her in fwd and
>> goose it and suck her to the bottom in real shallow
>> water too.
>>
>>
>
> According to reports regarding the Atkins tunnel sterns they actually
> lift slightly in the stern. I would guess this is because of the
> downward slant of the exit portion of the tunnel. This don't suck
> like jet inlets.
>
>http://www.boat-links.com/Atkinco/Utilities/RescueMinor.html
>
> Several Atkins tunnel designs are still offered. Most are Seabright
> skiffs but not all. Sand Piper may be most like the S.A. design.
>
>http://www.boat-links.com/Atkinco/Cruisers/SandPiper.html
>
> Don Schultz
>
>
>
http://www.boat-links.com/Atkinco/Cruisers/RiverBelle.html
Seems similar in hull form, and especially similar to Greg Carlson's
Alligator (mentioned earlier) which I really wish had plans available...
Anybody know of Biloxi Lugger type plans available?
Bruce
--
Bruce Dillahunty
bdillahu@...
http://www.craftacraft.com
derbyrm wrote:
Bruce
Bruce Dillahunty
bdillahu@...
http://www.craftacraft.com
> SA is a POSSLQ.Sorry, but that didn't help :-)
>
>
Bruce
> Roger--
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bruce C. Dillahunty
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 8:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Shoal Draft Towboat
>
>
> Bruce Hallman wrote:
> >> Neat boat, Bruce. I'm interested how you know this is
> >> a SA design? Is there a way to look at a PB&F design
> >> and know who the designer is?
> >>
> >
> > In this case, the write-up says so. But, I think, that after a lot of
> > study of PB&F designs, one can discern stylistic differences too.
> >
> > And, of course, often there is a collaborative mix.
> >
> Dumb question #1... what's a "SA" design? Who's that? I'm missing the
> obvious.
>
> Bruce
>
>
Bruce Dillahunty
bdillahu@...
http://www.craftacraft.com
SA is a POSSLQ.
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce C. Dillahunty
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Shoal Draft Towboat
Bruce Hallman wrote:
>> Neat boat, Bruce. I'm interested how you know this is
>> a SA design? Is there a way to look at a PB&F design
>> and know who the designer is?
>>
>
> In this case, the write-up says so. But, I think, that after a lot of
> study of PB&F designs, one can discern stylistic differences too.
>
> And, of course, often there is a collaborative mix.
>
Dumb question #1... what's a "SA" design? Who's that? I'm missing the
obvious.
Bruce
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http://www.craftacraft.com
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Bruce Hallman wrote:
obvious.
Bruce
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Bruce Dillahunty
bdillahu@...
http://www.craftacraft.com
>> Neat boat, Bruce. I'm interested how you know this isDumb question #1... what's a "SA" design? Who's that? I'm missing the
>> a SA design? Is there a way to look at a PB&F design
>> and know who the designer is?
>>
>
> In this case, the write-up says so. But, I think, that after a lot of
> study of PB&F designs, one can discern stylistic differences too.
>
> And, of course, often there is a collaborative mix.
>
obvious.
Bruce
--
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bdillahu@...
http://www.craftacraft.com
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Kristine Bennett <femmpaws@...> wrote:
lift slightly in the stern. I would guess this is because of the
downward slant of the exit portion of the tunnel. This don't suck
like jet inlets.
http://www.boat-links.com/Atkinco/Utilities/RescueMinor.html
Several Atkins tunnel designs are still offered. Most are Seabright
skiffs but not all. Sand Piper may be most like the S.A. design.
http://www.boat-links.com/Atkinco/Cruisers/SandPiper.html
Don Schultz
>According to reports regarding the Atkins tunnel sterns they actually
> Hey Bruce I can also see you putting her in fwd and
> goose it and suck her to the bottom in real shallow
> water too.
>
lift slightly in the stern. I would guess this is because of the
downward slant of the exit portion of the tunnel. This don't suck
like jet inlets.
http://www.boat-links.com/Atkinco/Utilities/RescueMinor.html
Several Atkins tunnel designs are still offered. Most are Seabright
skiffs but not all. Sand Piper may be most like the S.A. design.
http://www.boat-links.com/Atkinco/Cruisers/SandPiper.html
Don Schultz
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
easier to build than Atkin Seabright skiffs. Greg Carlson's Alligator
live aboard cruiser also uses the concept.
I could see this bottom design in a diesel powered "Delaware" cruiser,
or adapted to power cruiser versions of the AS-xx boats. Single
engine of course.
>niche in the
>http://hallman.org/bolger/ShoalDraftTowboat/ShoalDraftTowboat.png
>
> This SA design is pretty cool, looks like it would fill a great
> tow boat market.The design is similar to the Atkin Tunnel Stern, but simpler and
>
easier to build than Atkin Seabright skiffs. Greg Carlson's Alligator
live aboard cruiser also uses the concept.
I could see this bottom design in a diesel powered "Delaware" cruiser,
or adapted to power cruiser versions of the AS-xx boats. Single
engine of course.
Hey Bruce I can also see you putting her in fwd and
goose it and suck her to the bottom in real shallow
water too.
Oh I have seen a jet powered towboat do that.... in a
matter of 60 Sec they killed both of the waterjets.
The other part that added to it was a falling tide and
real shallow water and they thought they could power
over the shallows with a tow. Seeing how they had
passed over the area 20 mins before. OOPS
The boat owner was none to happy seening how he had
just rebuilt the jets.
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goose it and suck her to the bottom in real shallow
water too.
Oh I have seen a jet powered towboat do that.... in a
matter of 60 Sec they killed both of the waterjets.
The other part that added to it was a falling tide and
real shallow water and they thought they could power
over the shallows with a tow. Seeing how they had
passed over the area 20 mins before. OOPS
The boat owner was none to happy seening how he had
just rebuilt the jets.
>http://hallman.org/bolger/ShoalDraftTowboat/ShoalDraftTowboat.png
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> This SA design is pretty cool, looks like it would
> fill a great niche in the
> tow boat market.
>
>
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> Neat boat, Bruce. I'm interested how you know this isIn this case, the write-up says so. But, I think, that after a lot of
> a SA design? Is there a way to look at a PB&F design
> and know who the designer is?
study of PB&F designs, one can discern stylistic differences too.
And, of course, often there is a collaborative mix.
Neat boat, Bruce. I'm interested how you know this is
a SA design? Is there a way to look at a PB&F design
and know who the designer is?
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a SA design? Is there a way to look at a PB&F design
and know who the designer is?
--- Bruce Hallman <bruce@...> wrote:
>http://hallman.org/bolger/ShoalDraftTowboat/ShoalDraftTowboat.png
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> This SA design is pretty cool, looks like it would
> fill a great niche in the
> tow boat market.
>
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This SA design is pretty cool, looks like it would fill a great niche in the
tow boat market.
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This SA design is pretty cool, looks like it would fill a great niche in the
tow boat market.
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